tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post112498933650983429..comments2024-03-28T06:36:00.295-05:00Comments on Althouse: "The U.S. has orchestrated a document that is organically Iraqi."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124999268933729322005-08-25T14:47:00.000-05:002005-08-25T14:47:00.000-05:00I included that example mainly for you, Monty, but...I included that example mainly for you, Monty, but it does show that an uneasy marriage of cultures within a democratic state can last for a long time, problems can linger, and it can all be done with a minimum of bloodshed, and should that marriage lead to divorce (or devolution in the case of nation/states) that can also happen without bloodshed (Czech Republic/Slovakia as an example).<BR/><BR/>Also I'd like to rant on a slight tangent, shouldn't media outlets (mainly CNN) refrain from speaking of a 'growing anti-war movement' until they provide metrics for there conjecture.<BR/><BR/>Even more heated rhetoric amongst left-leaning websites and falling poll numbers (in polls with slippery , and changing, methodology) do not automatically equate to a 'growing anti-war movement'. Just as those with that perspective decry the current administration's favoring of repeated mantras, they might want to inspect the materials from which they have built their houses before picking up any heavy objects.<BR/><BR/>Anyone looking ahead at the future of West Germany or Japan from 1947 would not have dreamed that they would both be peaceful and prosperous as soon as 1960 (and yet still full of strife, still with large U.S. troop contingents, and still developing their own styles of democracy).<BR/><BR/>With many Iraq will be a failure, period (damn the facts). And just to be fair, with many, regardless of what happens, Iraq will be declared successful.<BR/><BR/>And now to attempt to put a pretty bow on this digression and claim relevancy to the topic at hand, creating fair civic structures from the ashes of a Stalinist state combining people with centuries of mutual antagonism will be often ugly, sometimes brutal, and incredibly difficult every step of the way.<BR/><BR/>But (this is the hopeful, rather than damning but), when this succeeds, and it must, the world will be different and better place, just as our own revolution changed the world (and just as the Marshall Plan prevented defeated peoples from becoming subjugated peoples).XWLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13646729965929680256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124997627280395222005-08-25T14:20:00.000-05:002005-08-25T14:20:00.000-05:00re: post above correctionJohn Cabot or Giovanni Ca...re: post above correction<BR/>John Cabot or Giovanni Caboto came across in 1497 to Newfoundland.<BR/><BR/>Cartier was a different time and different place.Monty Loreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10961610061654961827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124997474704961062005-08-25T14:17:00.000-05:002005-08-25T14:17:00.000-05:00leroy w:Vive la Quebécois! Some Quebecois think t...leroy w:<BR/>Vive la Quebécois! Some Quebecois think that they're a separate nation. They speak french, have a different law structure than the other provinces, etc. As such they pretty much stay within the french community.<BR/><BR/>Some Quebecois wouldn't mind parting from Canada.<BR/><BR/>The same goes for Newfoundland. They're an Island off of Canada. They've had their own culture since 1492 when Jacques Cartier came across.<BR/><BR/>The culture in Newfoundland is very old and mature relative to Saskatchewan which is only 100 years old. Newfoundlanders are pretty entrenched with how they feel.<BR/><BR/>Canada has it's strong political culture as well.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://money-maturity.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Financial Maturity Blog</A>Monty Loreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10961610061654961827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124994466470977062005-08-25T13:27:00.000-05:002005-08-25T13:27:00.000-05:00Separate cultures within a single democracy, probl...Separate cultures within a single democracy, problem yes, fatal no.<BR/><BR/>Belgium, Canada, Switzerland, United Kingdom, India, South Africa and many others have absorbed and combined multiple cultural and linguistic groups under one flag. The melding isn't always pretty, the groups aren't all without continued animosity and special dispensations (think Canada's own Quebecois) and many of those countries had been combined by force of arms and not any great love between the participating groups.<BR/><BR/>I believe Iraq (and Arabs in general) aren't exceptional with regard to the will and ability to learn the habits of a multi-ethnic/religious/cultural democracy.<BR/><BR/>Will it be smooth, no, will it be pretty, no, will more blood be spilled, yes, will the U.S. be happy in 50 years with what they helped birth in the heart of the Arab world, absolutely (turns out even though we don't like to admit it, the U.S. are the all time heavyweight champions of nation building).XWLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13646729965929680256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124991422346726082005-08-25T12:37:00.000-05:002005-08-25T12:37:00.000-05:00I'm glad you're discussing the American / Iraq iss...I'm glad you're discussing the American / Iraq issue here. <BR/><BR/>I mentioned it on my blog, in regards to another issue and I got hammered with political commentary. <BR/><BR/>I think I'll leave the political commentary here.<BR/><BR/>Being Canadian, I sincerely hope that the U.S. powers to be tread very carefully with Iraq. Getting something that is organically Iraq implies that the Iraq people agree with it, and that it will fit naturally within their culture.<BR/><BR/>Problem is: it seems that the Iraqis have several old - intrenched cultures in their borders.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see how "organic" they can make it.Monty Loreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10961610061654961827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-1124990107892498702005-08-25T12:15:00.000-05:002005-08-25T12:15:00.000-05:00Al Sadr had his office burned and 4 of his men sho...Al Sadr had his office burned and 4 of his men shot. The foibles of democratic dissent....wag the purple finger, wag the AK-47. Where I was born and in the early days of statehood, there was a county dispute of where the county seat/Courthouse should be. Two towns were bickering and it ended when the one town took the then established legal records from a building in the opposing town and burned the building. Thus a county seat was finally established, where it remains to this day.goeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781857563232791703noreply@blogger.com