tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post1074638331658614929..comments2024-03-28T13:20:43.754-05:00Comments on Althouse: "Obama’s Catastrophic Climate-Change Denial."Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-29391681741802750972015-05-13T11:55:27.063-05:002015-05-13T11:55:27.063-05:00NYT simply pretends reality isn't real.NYT simply pretends reality isn't real.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09426316033861139352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-39068559354230257082015-05-13T09:47:13.727-05:002015-05-13T09:47:13.727-05:00@ELC, per that site, 2015 ACE is far above normal....@ELC, per that site, 2015 ACE is far above normal. That doesn't jive (heh) with your comment<br /><br /><i>Hurricane activity is indeed relatively quiet worldwide. See the graphs here:</i>MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15654672582138221472015-05-13T08:51:07.464-05:002015-05-13T08:51:07.464-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mike (MJB Wolf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00936808380090258703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2963080428120983822015-05-13T08:32:17.090-05:002015-05-13T08:32:17.090-05:00So with 2012 safely behind us, the Left decides it...So with 2012 safely behind us, the Left decides it can start tearing at Obama for any deviation from leftist orthodoxy. Maybe this is a signal to try and keep Hillary in line, maybe it's part of the usual "fire up our crowd" tactic.<br /><br />But I'm curious--from Obama's perspective, what justifies this drilling in a way that the Keystone pipeline wasn't justified? Was it a matter of the pipeline itself? Because pipelines are much better for the environment than any other means of transporting the oil.Brandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219319435229314554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-78159917295998990222015-05-13T08:11:23.684-05:002015-05-13T08:11:23.684-05:00n.n said: As for anthropogenic global [change he d...n.n said: <i>As for anthropogenic global [</i>change<i> he denies the short observation period.</i><br /><br />This! This right here bothers me when people cite SCIENCE! (say that like Thomas Dolby for the full effect) and yet fail to see the limited utility of viewing a chaotic poorly understood system over the last 200 years. Even rounding up to 200 and assuming PERFECT DATA over that time, of what use is 200 years observation in a system between 2.5 and 4 billion years old? And they -- not we, they -- deny the relevance of factoring in how the CO2 has been up to 2000% greater in concentration in the atmosphere than it is now. <br /><br />Louts!Mike (MJB Wolf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00936808380090258703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-25775567131233189862015-05-13T08:10:01.562-05:002015-05-13T08:10:01.562-05:00It is thought that the Jevons paradox operates ove...<i>It is thought that the Jevons paradox operates over the long term</i><br /><br />Nice theory, but not backed up by the facts. <a href="http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_40.html>Passenger miles traveled </a> have pretty much flattened out over the last twenty years. Freder Fredersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845346793399831781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10570375595317321472015-05-13T05:56:19.058-05:002015-05-13T05:56:19.058-05:00As I( nsit here reading this on May the 12th twent...As I( nsit here reading this on May the 12th twentythousandfifteen its 39 degrees F.<br />If Algore and his accolades didn't use their private jets like water taxis at spring break, I'd be taking this shit much more serial.Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938263272237104128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11429623235945055952015-05-13T05:17:39.301-05:002015-05-13T05:17:39.301-05:00Are the stratosphere and mesosphere still cooling ...<i>Are the stratosphere and mesosphere still cooling in line with climate change model predictions, though?</i><br /><br />That would be a big fat no!<br /><br />No cooling in the stratosphere for 20 years. The theory is that the heat is "trapped" by CO2 in the troposphere (where we live) denying it to the stratosphere, thus cooling it.<br /><br />Somehow though the stratosphere seems to be getting its full complement of heat, and yet the ocean is somehow warming too! And even though the two of the three data sets with the least problematic coverage don't show it, the troposphere is warming too! All the major reservoirs of heat are above average! It's a Christmas Miracle!<br /><br />I would be very interested to see MadisonMan's take on how this is possible within the context of an "enhanced greenhouse effect."tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-64001652864024729372015-05-13T02:14:18.557-05:002015-05-13T02:14:18.557-05:00The Arctic ice cap is definitely melting and it ha...The Arctic ice cap is definitely melting and it has nothing to do with "man made" global warming. A joint Russian-Swedish scientific expedition has discovered a huge methane gas field in the Arctic Ocean and it is discharging hot gases. There was an article about this on the Earthsky.org site last July:<br /><br />http://earthsky.org/earth/scientists-discover-vast-methane-plumes-escaping-from-arctic-seafloor?tm_source=EarthSky+News&utm_campaign=80f2496b16-EarthSky_News&utm_merichardssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17427872009804067649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11321945325775029202015-05-13T00:31:29.285-05:002015-05-13T00:31:29.285-05:00Michael K said...
"My level of alarm, wh...Michael K said...<br /><br /> "My level of alarm, while low, is focused on sun spots. If we have a Maunder Minimum in our future, we are going to miss warmth."<br /><br />Whatever the problem is whether it is warming or cooling, the solution is always the same: A giant centralized bureaucracy that taxes and controls as much of our lives as possible.Achilleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04109507896997459818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15220526557480761422015-05-12T23:38:50.495-05:002015-05-12T23:38:50.495-05:00"@MichaelK, see my 3:50 comment.
I'm not..."@MichaelK, see my 3:50 comment.<br /><br />I'm not really an alarmist, however."<br /><br />My level of alarm, while low, is focused on sun spots. If we have a Maunder Minimum in our future, we are going to miss warmth.<br />Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-42350027432367557962015-05-12T22:13:51.586-05:002015-05-12T22:13:51.586-05:00Hurricane activity is indeed relatively quiet worl...Hurricane activity is indeed relatively quiet worldwide. See the graphs here:<br /><br />http://models.weatherbell.com/tropical.php<br /><br />The frequency and strength of hurricanes, which had been on the increase for a while, have returned to late 1970's levels.ELChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09755716607466641949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-16544932915075652642015-05-12T22:10:16.736-05:002015-05-12T22:10:16.736-05:00As of May 5th, daily Arctic ice volume has met or ...As of May 5th, daily Arctic ice volume has met or exceeded that of 2007 all this year.<br /><br />See PIOMAS (Pan-Arctic Ice Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System) graphs here:<br /><br />https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/piomas<br /><br />Look for the "Daily Arctic Ice Volume" graph.<br /><br />You can also see that, after mid-July last year, 2014's daily ice volume exceeded that of 2007 for the rest of the year.<br /><br />If you don't like this information, your quarrel is with the Polar Science Center in the Applied Physics Laboratory of the University of Washington, in Seattle, not with me. :)<br /><br />http://psc.apl.washington.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/ELChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09755716607466641949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54057888589439422072015-05-12T21:12:35.133-05:002015-05-12T21:12:35.133-05:00chickelit said...
@tim in vermont: That graph mere...<i> chickelit said...<br />@tim in vermont: That graph merely shows the ebb and flow over summer and winter for one year. <br /><br />You should see what happens to CO2 levels each summer/winter.</i><br /><br />Several years overlaid. Don't just look at the pretty picture. Read the captionsFritzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403113111574246294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-56691545154710741602015-05-12T21:08:20.954-05:002015-05-12T21:08:20.954-05:00This time-lapse video of Arctic Sea ice is quite d...This time-lapse video of Arctic Sea ice is quite dramatic. Not how much ice exits between Iceland and Greenland! <a href="http://climatecrocks.com/2015/01/23/disappearing-arctic-ice-1987-2014/" rel="nofollow">link</a>chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-19510792435737705592015-05-12T21:00:20.443-05:002015-05-12T21:00:20.443-05:00He could be describing the selective-child policy ...He could be describing the selective-child policy and the abortion industry's termination of around 1 million human lives annually in America alone, but instead he is describing a statistically insignificant (in time and space) phenomenon in the Artic. He likely denies the scientific fact and self-evident knowledge that human life evolves from conception. His concern for the value and welfare of human life has an ulterior motive.<br /><br />As for anthropogenic global cooling/warming/progress, climate disruption/change/evolution, he denies the short observation period; he accepts liberal inferences or created knowledge from proxies; he denies the chaotic nature of the system; he denies the limited and, in fact, insufficient skill of the models and knowledge of the scientists.<br /><br />As for the windmill gauntlets, solar ovens, and other circumstantial energy producers, he denies the environmental disruption of these so-called non-renewable technologies throughout their life cycle from recovery to reclamation. He could focus on the renewable, neutral effect -- other than, ironically, the Sun's ability to cause global warming -- of the drivers, but instead spreads the fantasy of renewable, green energy production.n.nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04252447117532342957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-13435905288310650612015-05-12T20:58:59.358-05:002015-05-12T20:58:59.358-05:00@tim in vermont: That graph merely shows the ebb a...@tim in vermont: That graph merely shows the ebb and flow over summer and winter for one year. <br /><br />You should see what happens to CO2 levels each summer/winter. chickelithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773887469972534979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53177684491446995662015-05-12T20:57:54.446-05:002015-05-12T20:57:54.446-05:00Are the stratosphere and mesosphere still cooling ...Are the stratosphere and mesosphere still cooling in line with climate change model predictions, though? It's not something I see discussed much, but it seems like an important piece of evidence with which to evaluate those models' predictive use. HoodlumDoodlumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17591221162603652473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80087458038239387092015-05-12T20:52:10.258-05:002015-05-12T20:52:10.258-05:00@MichaelK, see my 3:50 comment.
I'm not reall...@MichaelK, see my 3:50 comment.<br /><br />I'm not really an alarmist, however.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-31929663844508052142015-05-12T20:45:15.353-05:002015-05-12T20:45:15.353-05:00The test of whether I pay attention to climate ala...The test of whether I pay attention to climate alarmists is when they start to support nuclear power. When they do so, wake me up.Michael Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127450762129879267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15276685379807863472015-05-12T20:29:47.534-05:002015-05-12T20:29:47.534-05:00Maybe I should've taken more liberal arts clas...Maybe I should've taken more liberal arts classes. The curse of double-majoring in two sciences.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53965356762839743832015-05-12T20:26:47.960-05:002015-05-12T20:26:47.960-05:00I'm supposed to take that seriously?I'm supposed to take that seriously?MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-75539896506883900432015-05-12T20:19:41.162-05:002015-05-12T20:19:41.162-05:00@Madison Man: Reflect on the parable of the motte ...@Madison Man: Reflect on the parable of the <a href="http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/09/motte-and-bailey-doctrines/" rel="nofollow">motte and the bailey.</a><br /><br />Except for climate science there is a twist: the named skeptics, like Steven Hayward, are <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/06/029197.php" rel="nofollow">in the motte saying that of course the earth is warming, of course anthropogenic carbon is at fault, and no skeptic familiar with the science denies it.</a><br /><br />And the anonymous skeptics, like commenters on blogs and such, are tacitly encouraged by the motte-dwellers to stay in the bailey, talking about extremely quiet hurricane seasons and such.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18188485747371986575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-2829276444862363132015-05-12T20:19:07.044-05:002015-05-12T20:19:07.044-05:00They don't find any warming? Easy! The warming...<i>They don't find any warming? Easy! The warming is all taking place below 2000 meters!<br /><br /></i>There's a really interesting ongoing study using inverted echosounders on a line from Argentina to South Africa. When they are recovered (again), I think the data record will be something like 5 years. I'll be curious to see what it shows. The first 18 months didn't show cooling, if I'm remembering a talk correctly, and the statistical significance of that period is something to remember.MadisonManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01212179466758420208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-73025867769636758052015-05-12T20:16:37.478-05:002015-05-12T20:16:37.478-05:00There is a misconception that the major challenges...<i><b>There is a misconception that the major challenges in physical climate science are settled.</b> “That’s absolutely not true,” says Sandrine Bony, a climate researcher at the Laboratory of Dynamic Meteorology in Paris. “In fact, essential physical aspects of climate change are poorly http://www.nature.com/news/climatologists-to-physicists-your-planet-needs-you-1.17270understood.”</i> - <a href="" rel="nofollow">Nature Magazine</a><br /><br />So I wonder where the "misconception" that the "science is settled" came from?tim in vermonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06547980465313241972noreply@blogger.com