The woman spoke for hours with [a campus police department] officer;... The officer then condensed the interview into a six-page “voluntary statement” written from her perspective.... The student, after leaving about 20 handwritten corrections on a draft, signed a final version the next day. While the shorter statement explained that she felt some of that night’s events were a crime, it omitted some of the more forceful and definitive language she used. And it was missing her unequivocal statement that she had been raped....
More detail — better detail — in today's episode of the NYT podcast "The Daily": "The Firestorm Over a Rape Allegation at Cornell." I wish I had a transcript so I could quote some things.
This is a complex story, and the news media seem to want us to look into it right now, for whatever reasons. The news media and key political actors: New York Governor Kathy Hochul appointed the state attorney general, Letitia James, as a special prosecutor in this case. There's a press conference going on right now:
Hochul said she was concerned to learn what information was taken from Jane Doe’s interview with police and passed to the district attorney. “In what world would the police learn from the victim that she had been literally been gang raped” and that she believed “100 percent” she had been raped and not elevate those allegations to the district attorney, Ms. Hochul asked.
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In this case remorse is a terrible thing and so is social media.
From a UK headline this morning (paraphrased) referencing the Cornel issue: "Don't jump in the sea and then be surprised you get wet."
Text from her within the following 48 hours:
"Nothing illegal happened. But next time let's leave out the million guys and ketamine."
After I read drugs + alcohol were involved AND she agreed to a threesome, I thought there are no excuses for the chick or the men involved. Hedonistic behavior across the board.
I am comforted to know the legal slut from New York’s AG office is involved.
Repressed or recovered memories of a choice made with poor judgment and morning? Day? after regrets.
Kids these days!
Didn't someone not involved get caught in this BS net?
She consented to be used. She regrets being a RAAT in a maze of diverse and inclusive copulation, penetration. Was the back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP at the transition of sexism and genderism a factor? Was there a "burden" Planned the morning after? A trimester, two, three later? Sick flukes all around.
related:
" Kate Snow should not have a new website. She should also not have a job. Kate Snow is the woman who in 2018 interviewed Julie Swetnick the woman who accused then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of being at high school parties where women were drugged and gang raped. Snow then buried exonerating evidence about Kavanaugh.
Hot Air readers know that I was part of that circus. Swetnick also said that I was at those parties with Kavanaugh, and that I was in the room when he allegedly sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford.
I understand that it is years later and that I have written on this subject a lot, but it’s important for conservatives, and frankly all Americans, to remember what people like Kate Snow did. The left still yells about McCarthyism, the Vietnam War, slavery and even Iran-Contra. We need to make sure Kate Snow ever forgets the lies she spread. NBC knew there were serious problems with the Swetnick story. They then found an alleged witness who said that Swetnick’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti — who would go to prison for extortion — was lying. Kate Snow and NBC then sat on that information for weeks. "
The True Crime Clancy Wine Mom Fan Club and Amateur Astrologers Association have found a new heroine they must save from accountability to assuage their boredom.
5000 CCs of Franzia stat! It's gonna be a long one...
Sexual relations are a like a box of cats. Listen carefully and play with judicious consideration. #NoHats #NotMeToo
Well, Cornell girl has a better case than E Jean Carrol, and that tramp made $88 million from her lies.
Asmongold clip : First alert I heard yesterday.
This account seems to be up to speed on an ever changing story.
Ketamine is not called a date rape drug for no reason...
Without the bragging on social media, she likely would not have remembered more than bits and pieces of thay night... the boys filled in the blanks.
Oh Cornell. What have you rich frat boys done?
As Althouse hints, this seems to be more about making this an issue now than careful consideration of the facts of the case. This Jane Doe, by her own testimony, seemed to go to the frat house looking for sex, agreed to sex with multiple partners, and at some point felt that it had gone too far, yet failed either due to lack of sobriety or other factors to tell her partners to stop. That’s a hard case to prosecute, because the victim isn’t making clear the line. If you think there was room for doubt in Lindsey Clancy’s case, then you must see the doubt here (or biased beyond reason). I say this as a former juror in a sexual assault case.
Beyond this being a news item, I don’t really care about the case. I don’t see an injustice here worthy of national news. I didn’t care about the Clancy trial except for how poorly it was being reported and wondering why. Which makes me wonder something about this case. Was it a particular guy that the victim didn’t want to have sex that somehow participated, and she has some reason for not calling out exactly who?
Oh althouse readers... pay for ypur porn!
Don't rely on salacious podcasts or news stories. Those are real peopl3.
Porn is where you can spank the bad girls in your fantasies. Lay off the real life victims?
Never ever go yo a frat party alone...duh.
The Free Press is covering this case very well.
The Cornell 7 lawsuit served the wrong person
The Cornell 7 Have Not Been Proven Guilty.
“and the news media seem to want us to look into it right now, for whatever reasons”
…one reason. Election year and nothing’s working..
Another account says that the apparent regret stems from a reputation developing in the socials about her, and that may have caused her to believe she better say/do something to repair that.
Outside of the shade other women throw at them - which is more important here than people will admit - what on earth in modern culture is bad about being a completely whorish slut any longer?
Most modern American young women act in ways and have body counts that would've made the streetwalker of 60 years ago blush. An entire cohort of men from across the world not only admire a good whore, but she can make in minutes what a good pipefitter couldn't make in 2 weeks. The old unmarriageability of the loose woman is now an anachronism. There's an entire mob of dudes that will not only wife that shit, but get turned on by it. And what happened to good (or bad) girls being allowed to like sex? Clearly lots of chicks dig rough sex and a good gangbang, along with dudes-a-plenty.
If 7.6th wave feminism is all about "owning it" and wellness and candles smelling like vaginas and "YOLO No Regrets!" than why can't these girls just Betty-Friedan-the-fuck-up and shout "I LOVE GETTING DRUNK AND GETTING TRAINS RUN ON ME WHILE HIGH ON KETAMINE HEHEHE STAY MAD!"
According to every dissonant rule of modern civilization, not only is the fig leaf no longer necessary, it was long ago macerated with some lime, drowned in cachaça and guzzled with gusto by every bra-burning prude-stomping slore in Western Civilization before every month turning back into church ladies randomly.
You're a slag Jane. Own it. Thanks to the sisterhood society should somehow respect you more for doing so...but still doesn't for incomprehensible reasons.
I don't have an opinion on the actual case.
But I do have strong opinions on the plaintiff's attorneys, who served an innocent person with papers accusing them of being a rapist, and opened the door to internet vigilante mobs harassing them.
And I also have a strong opinion on the decision to sue Cornell, because they have deep pockets, not because Cornell actually committed a tort or wrong. That was greedy as shit. And evil.
I also have strong opinions on the lie that a feminist Ivy League school has a "culture of rape." What it actually has is a culture of using some controversy to drum up dollars for more feminist professors, more feminist classes, and more feminist indoctrination.
Does Gaza have a culture of rape, is my question for AOC. More honesty and less feminist fundraising. Thank you.
I used to get upset at this hysteria over rape charges on campus. But I've had second thoughts. Maybe this will give a male student pause. Maybe keep it in your pants. Do we really want our colleges to be orgy "safe spaces" for Frat boys?
AG James will make this all very political.
Don't know if it was rape or a consensual orgy, but it is horrible either way.
I went to high school with Kate Snow. Think I had two or three conversations with her. She had two girlfriends that walked either side of her in the hall. She was a head taller. They looked like that Monty Python knight…and she’s exactly what you’d expect a by-any-means leftie journalist would have been like in high school if you imagined such things. Cornell, she is. Some would say very Cornell…
I used to think the Ivies were "better" than other universities. Turns out not true at all.
And then we have the harassment of Jews at other Ivies.
Above only reaffirms my objective opinion that Creighton University is the greatest enterprise in the world today.
Not sure why it is still only fraternities holding parties. Sororities could host parties, hire private security to ensure no excessive alcohol is served, no one gets out of line, and no going back to rooms. Seems that might prove effective.
AOC accused Cornell of having a "culture of rape" in a town hall.
She is a typical leftist feminist in that the only culture she will criticize is American culture. Does Gaza have a “culture of rape”? It would be unthinkable of her to criticize Gaza in such a fashion. And yet Hamas, which runs Gaza and indoctrinates the boys of Gaza, planned the kidnapping, rape, and murder of innocent women. We’d expect thousands of atrocities at Cornell if the school had a rape culture.
Quit lying about the USA. It's despicable.
"Sororities could host parties, hire private security to ensure no excessive alcohol is served, no one gets out of line, and no going back to rooms."
It might surprise you that the sisters would oppose that.
“This is a complex story, and the news media seem to want us to look into it right now, for whatever reasons.”
Seems obvious that this is part of a coordinated effort, that includes relitigating the Renee Goode case, to get the AWFLs and the soi bois that support them all exercised.and turn out the vote. Hochul is trying to to get voter turnout from her very own Duke Lacrosse case.
Also seems obvious that the reason the campus police deleted references to nonconsensual sex was because (1) where precisely is the line between consensual sex, consensual but regretted sec (neither a crime!), and nonconsensual sex, and (2) if she was drugged and drunk, then how can she positively identify her (alleged) assailants?
At this point one of the “Cornell 7” is supposedly a Marine Corp veteran who has never attended any college, much less Cornell. I think some Marine drill instructors should visit Hochul and Letitia James and educate them about false charge against Marines. The female Marines I’ve known are uniformly physically fit, somewhat attractive, and tougher than saddle leather.
The situation smells an awful lot like a reboot of Duke Lacrosse. That particular obscenity was driven by a corrupt DA running for reelection who figured the destruction of four innocent white boys was a small price to pay for his eventual victory. I have no idea if this case will prove to be as atrocious as that one. But I do know that the truth here won’t be known until after midterms votes are counted and the damage is done.
Somebody maybe Letitia should consult with Rotherham authority expert how to proceed
So some of it was consensual and some of it was not and she doesn't know who is who? Is the Court supposed to treat them like they are lead paint manufacturers or something and hold them all liable?
It would be more honest to say that the USA is a culture of alcohol and drugs, and easy sexuality. And we have a problem with that.
So if you're being honest, and you want to address an actual problem, that's the language you would use. Instead AOC and other feminists just wildly throw out "rape" allegations, not only for individuals, but entire universities, for feminist fundraising and get-out-the-vote efforts.
See also the "1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted at university" statistic. It's dishonest, motivated by fundraising appeals and not any actual reality. You are not helping actual rape victims with these casual lies. Quit doing it.
Criminal Cases
No Time Limit: There is no statute of limitations for top-tier felonies like rape in the first degree, aggravated sexual abuse, and predatory sexual assault. Charges can be filed at any time.
Adult Survivors Act (ASA) Window
• Window Dates: November 24, 2022, to November 24, 2023.
• Action: Opened a one-year lookback window allowing adults (18+) to file civil claims/battery lawsuits for past sexual abuse regardless of expired time limits.
• Application: Used by E. Jean Carroll to sue Donald Trump in late 2022 for a 1990s encounter, leading to a jury liability and defamation verdict.
• Current Status: The special lookback window is closed, meaning new retroactive civil suits under the ASA cannot be newly filed
“I will never know who all touched me. I will never know.” Sounds like she was raped by one or more of the NYT unknown “sources,” in which case James won’t prosecute. Otherwise, rich white frat boys look out.
Does it matter in the slightest that everyone on that train was drunk and high at the time? Why does the burden of consent only ever fall on one particular cohort of train riders? Does having a penis automatically a Conductor make? Tickets Please!
"Documents obtained..." are alleged to say that the student made these statements to the campus police. Does the article say what the "documents" are? Not saying this isn't true, but the media has (mis)paraphrased and (mis)summarized such things too many times for me to simply grant credence to this report.
Camille Paglia has thoughts.
"It would be more honest to say that the USA is a culture of alcohol and drugs, and easy sexuality. And we have a problem with that."
The ancient push-pull of America's seeds of Albion - the cultural battle between the licentious emigre descendants of King Charles's Cavaliers and the prudish, puritan roundheaded Scots-Irish that put scarlet letters on everything.
We love sex, drugs and rock & roll and we'll be damned if we don't feel bad about it tomorrow!
Kat Rosenfield in The Free Press
Among the more troubling aspects of both Jane Doe’s lawsuit and the discourse surrounding it is how they advance the notion that a woman could not meaningfully consent to sex due to being drunk, one of the most pervasive and dangerous canards of the contemporary movement to redefine the concept of consent. Last night, I watched with alarm as the ordinarily staid and thoughtful Jake Tapper described New York’s statutes vis-à-vis intoxication as an “insane” “loophole,” snarling that as the father of a daughter, he thinks District Attorney Matthew Van Houten should have dug deeper to find some way to charge the accused fraternity brothers in 2024—the constraints of the law apparently notwithstanding, and without consideration for how this cuts against the hard-won freedoms of women to be treated as the legal, social, professional equals of men.
At least two of the men who have been publicly smeared as gang rapists have denied ever touching the accuser, or even being in the room during the alleged assault; it is impossible to know if they’re telling the truth, just as it is impossible to know if she is. What does seem certain, though, is that by the time the accused and accuser alike have their day in court, the truth will have ceased to matter. The discourse warriors will have already handed down a personal and professional death sentence, one based on boredom, bias, and vibes.
Based on now released texts between the "victim" and one of the "rapists" the girl was proud of her sexual adventure, and only regretted it when the president of the frat un-invited her to their halloween party. She also texted with the guy who seemed to be in charge of the gang bang, complaining that his bragging about it would ruin her reputation- then agreeing with him it would all blow over in a few days. It wasn't until her roommate told her to call it rape she did so- hence the differing statements on different dates. Bringing a criminal case against the boys will expose all this- and more ugly stuff about the girl. Im pretty sure this was all about getting attention to maximize the civil
award, but it could be backfiring as more evidence this girl was someone who made many veru bad decisions at Cornell (and who knows where else)
"Camille Paglia has thoughts."
"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts getting trains run on us while drunk and high on special K" or something to that effect.
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Was it a particular guy that the victim didn’t want to have sex that somehow participated, and she has some reason for not calling out exactly who?
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I saw a report that there were at least two young men who inquired of the young lady if they might also take a ride on the orgy train when she had finished servicing the other passengers, but they were rejected by her, and graciously and sensibly took "No" for an answer and did not lay a finger (or any other appendage) on her.
I'm not going to rush to judgment on this. It does seem bizarre though that Hochul appointed Letitia James special prosecutor on this. She's not trustworthy and surely, she already has other responsibilities.
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"Sororities could host parties, hire private security to ensure no excessive alcohol is served, no one gets out of line, and no going back to rooms."
It might surprise you that the sisters would oppose that.
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Of course they oppose that. Sorority girls paying actual money for alcohol and parties and entertainment? The impudence!
It is important now because they can connect Trump to it via the DA assigned. That is all. Of course, from what I read, she just got what she wanted and now is ashamed of it and sees a payday. The democrat media will shower her with accolades until the mid-terms.
Gracious! An alcohol and drug fueled orgy seems inconsistent with the standards and image Cornell would want to project. I would disenroll any student who admitted to participating in such. So far, I think, that is just the one lady involved.
So is James on the case in order to figure out a way to blame Donald Trump? You know, to finally 'get him' once and for all?
As Buck Sexton wrote, “You appoint Laetitia James as special prosecutor because you want a predetermined outcome, not an investigation or an impartial prosecutorial decision based on fact and law
Hochul knows this. Everyone does.”
Not sure if the plaintiff really expects this case to go to trial, esp to a jury. This might be the case where kicking men off the jury ends up in a mistrial.
But something, else might be interesting. Plaintiff apparently voluntarily consumed alcohol and ketamine, and consented to multi-party sex. Vitamin,K (ketamine) is, among other things, is a (mild) psychedelic. How reliable would her testimony be, after voluntarily taking a psychedelic? What did she consent to? She can’t be sure. She doesn’t know how many partners she had that night. Which suggests that she didn’t know who her sexual partners were, or really, which ones she gave consent to. This is probably part of why the DA essentially laughed when asked about filing charges.
"Blah, blah, blah . . . I was partying, doing some fun drugs, some wine, a little physical stuff, having a great time with all the attention paid to me and my lady parts."
"Yup, I was definitely raped. No consent whatsoever."
"I believe in Gloria Steinem."
It's clear that this is not about finding the truth. This spectacle is engineered to mobilize white women (AWFLs) for the election. They will be mobilized regardless of the outcome.
So you have a 10, 15, 20 person train ran on you. But damn that 21st RAPED me. What a crock and is there any wonder that men listen to rape claims that are "remembered" and say bull****.
Under the religion of RAAT, the feminine gender is but a pronoun, a convenient prop. In Stork They Trust
Will she carry a mattress?
"The impudence!"
The girlboner that dare not speak its name. They shan't verbalize it, but girls love a rule-breaking-boundary-pushing fuckboy Mr. Darcy that maintains control even when she can't.
Ask me how I know.
Following up on "Nothing illegal happened. But next time let's leave out the million guys and ketamine."
Notice how she said "next time"?😂😂😂
At least now everyone has an answer ready for Andy Bernard's "I went to Cornell. Heard of it?"
"…one reason. Election year and nothing’s working."
Those fake polls aren't going to come true by themselves!!!
If a news organization claims to have obtained documents, then quotes or summarizes those documents, but does not provide links to (redacted versions of) them, the only rational conclusion is that the full document would undercut the story they want to tell.
"the news media seem to want us to look into it right now, for whatever reasons. "
The midterms are coming up and the Democrats really need female voters to turn out in large numbers. So the media is trying to provide the proper motivation to get women fired up enough to go to the polls and strike a blow against the patriarchy.
Also, like I said about the Lindsay Clancy thing, I'm not in a position to judge anything about this case, so I have no opinion on what actually happened. But I have seen a lot of people (who also don't have enough information to make an informed decision) jumping to conclusions abut this. And I don't like that.
Peachy+2 said...
"Didn't someone not involved get caught in this BS net?"
I saw a story where a woman was served a subpoena naming her son. But her son is serving in the military abroad and just happens to have the same name as one of the students involved in this case.
So the chick was apparently disappointed she wasn’t invited to the Halloween party. Hmm.
Hochul gives the game away when she names Letitia James as special prosecutor. The woman's a walking dog whistle at this point. Do you want a sober fact-finder in pursuit of justice? Or are we politically grandstanding a month before the election?
Maybe the polling has taken a turn for the worse if they are worried about turnout in New York. Didn't you nominate enough socialists?
This NBC news account is pretty good. You get a sense that something bad might have happened. But also a lot of innocent people are getting scapegoated.
Why would any one appoint Letitia James to something if they wanted the process to look fair.
https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/2106014826543604024
Someone I know who knows someone who's daughter was hoping to go to Cornell (but who has maybe marginal academics) was overheard doing an oral text to another person I know - "Sounds like [ms x's" chances of getting into Cornell just went up." I laughed out loud for about 30 seconds. That is about the only funny thing in all this. Feel kind of sad for the young woman. Not sure the boys should be prosecuted, but I would have kicked them out of the school for being a-holes. In a perfect world, you would give them too much to drink and some ketamine and them drop them in front of a gay frat house with a sign saying they are up for some medieval orgy stuff.
The Greeks gave us democracy and trans grooming in gay affairs. Feminists gave us the sexual revolution, morning after regrets, and Planned Parenthood to relieve conceived burdens. Vive la revolution!
I'm hardly a prude but I can't imagine a situation in which even my stupid 18 year old self would've participated in the event or any event featuring a second penis.
They're dirtbags even if they're not rapists.
Her statements in the civil suit are 180 from her statements during the criminal investigation.
Next.
I've done ketamine before, and I could not begin to tell you what went on for some time after taking it. Hell, I couldn't have told you my own name while I was on it, and that's assuming I had the ability to speak, which I did not.
"They're dirtbags even if they're not rapists."
How does participating in adult consensual groupsex involving individual choices to take drugs and drink alcohol make someone a dirtbag?
Hochul is apparently too stupid to realize how she’s removed any possibility of the justice system being allowed to work as it should. She’s declared who’s the victim and who the criminal perpetrators are. Dumb ass that she is.
We already know what a fraud the asshole James is.
You know, Qatar gave $2 billion to Cornell, which is why the school has turned out so much Jew hatred. Qatar is not exactly what I would call a feminist paradise. That state actively treats women like 2nd class citizens.
It would be ironic, in the extreme, if there was actually a "rape culture" in Cornell, accidentally imported from Qatar, along with their theories of patriarchy. Imagine if the plaintiff's attorneys got a whiff of any of that. They would go after that $2 billion for sure. And this lawsuit would turn into a right-wing campaign to remove this evil foreign influence from our Ivy League institution, that caused the humanity of our girls to be denied. Both AOC and Hochul would go, oh shit, as they try to navigate the complexities of Hamas appreciation and civil liberties.
I'm not saying that the attorneys will find a gay student who has been thrown off a roof. But if they did? The payout would be huge. Rape culture, plus a hate-the-gay culture, plus a hate-the-Jews culture, and a $2 billion windfall of evil oil money. Dude.
The purpose of Hochul’s statement is to influence some voters for the next 30 days. She does not care if anything else is ever done about it.
" prudish, puritan roundheaded Scots-Irish"
Those were mostly East Anglians. We Scots-Irish tended to violence, drink, and white-trashery.
Virgil,
What on Earth could possibly have led you to think that there is any possibility that the person who appointed James is interested in the process looking dash dash much less being - - Fair?
Jim,
> Next
Hold on a second - - isn't perjury itself a crime? Let's let her do some serious time.
Ralph L,
I recently found that that I am probably descended, through one grandparent, from William Wallace. That would actually explain a lot...
Kirk, before you believe that, perhaps you should look into Wallace's lack of children.
“ Not sure why it is still only fraternities holding parties. Sororities could host parties, hire private security to ensure no excessive alcohol is served, no one gets out of line, and no going back to rooms. Seems that might prove effective. Not sure why it is still only fraternities holding parties. Sororities could host parties, hire private security to ensure no excessive alcohol is served, no one gets out of line, and no going back to rooms. Seems that might prove effective.”
Because fraternities still, to this day, put on the best parties. Period. Was the same way 50+’years ago. Same today. Sororities are where the pre-party drinking goes on, on Friday afternoons. Jane Doe was apparently drunk when she showed up at the fraternity party. Very typical of a lot of co-eds. Drink all afternoon with the women, then go to the real parties, with guys, very well lit.
Why don’t the girls put on really good parties? Because sororities very often suppress much of the sex. Fraternities often don’t. Daughter, a bit over a decade ago, belonged to a sorority, at a small liberal arts school in the vicinity of.Cornell (and did her 2nd physics REU. (Research Experience for Undergraduates) working with a particle accelerator at Cornel). They had something called Sober Sisters, where every two possibly drunk sisters went out with one sister who had pledged to stay sober that night (duty rotated). And their biggest job was trying to prevent the non-sober sisters from going off to guys, rooms with them. And there were nights when that wasn’t sufficient. The non-sober sisters often just wanted to get laid by a guy too badly. The sorority house had a zero tolerance hookup policy. Hence why the serious drinking was saved for when guys were there.
"the news media seem to want us to look into it right now, for whatever reasons."
'Tis a puzzle.
Really?
When the despicable attacks on Kavanaugh were ongoing I thought, "What mother of boys could EVER vote for a Democrat trying to lynch him.
The evidence?
When? Don't know.
Where? Don't know.
Who was there? These three, all denying the claim.
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