AND: Here's some speculation about how she survived (and an interesting tip on how a person can prepare in advance to stymie the lethal injection):
@epiccrimeupdates Christa Pike failed execution attempt in Tennessee last night#christapike#failedexecution#inmate ♬ original sound - Crime Scandals Tea
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Can we stop this insane deadly clown show? Just execute by using the Guillintine. Or shot them in the heart. Problem solved.
"Lifesaving medical care"
Huh. Just send her to Canada.
Fentanyl and/or carbon monoxide gas could do the needful quickly and totally painlessly. Tanks of CO can be bought at any large welding supply house.
Hell, why not firing squads? I'd rather take five .30-'06 slugs to the heart, and have my lights switched off in less than ten seconds, than endure an hour of being strapped to a gurney while they try to find a vein in my arm. I'd also allow the husband, brother, son, or father of the condemned man's victim to join the firing squad. One of the few things that Muslim countries get correct.
Her survival is unfortunate, but the customarily ancient trial-by-ordeal (unofficially the 'hangman's pardon') applies somewhat to what could be argued as cruel and unusual to spike her again.
Yeah, the thing about her arm hurting is pretty telling, though I'm not buying dehydration. My first question would be about the competence of the person doing the injection.
Strap 'em down. Light 'em up.
The forces opposed to capital punishment won this one via the same tactics they always employ: make every step of the process as difficult as possible; in other words, obstruct justice.
This process is not inherently difficult. There are few things humans are more proficient at than killing each other, but when it's justified and the government gets involved, it's suddenly impossible.
Opponents of capital punishment would rather have the cruelty of botched executions endured by the murderer and the victims alike than have justice swiftly and humanly delivered, because the latter is easy and straightforward by multiple methods if you want it.
If this is a known issue, why not make sure it doesn't happen?
YouTube: Vein Finder
Wasn't there a tv show called "Finder of lost Veins"? I think it meant to compete with the Love Boat.
Original Mike said...
" My first question would be about the competence of the person doing the injection."
There's a rumour that the execution team was all female.
And yes, CO poisoning would put an end to this madness. The victim just goes to sleep.
S-H-O-O-T-T-H-E-M-W-I-T-H-A-G-U-N
I feel for the doctors.
The woman they are trying to keep alive, because that is their job, is a very different person than the 18 year old that killed.
My religion allows people to repent. And for mercy...
I dont think they should get another bite at the apple, trying to kill her again after she's gotten hospital help, and I pray the doctors can keep her alive. It would be convenient for the state if she never makes it out of the hospital and we do have to ask thr Catholics on the Court if it is cruel and inhumane to try and kill her again... they are complicit.
You folks who want your pound of flesh are showing who you are... I'm so glad I live Ina majority Christian state that respects life. It's safer here.
I’ve never had this problem at my veterinarian. I’ll bet the MAID service in Canada never has this problem.
Charlie Kick was efficiently executed by one gunshot.
I dont think he should have been killed either...
An eye for an eye doesn't work. See Israel.
"S-H-O-O-T-T-H-E-M-W-I-T-H-A-G-U-N"
They say funerals are not meant for the dead, but for the living.
"It's a hell of a thing killing a man. You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have" - Unforgiven (1992)
"Munny reflects on the absolute finality of death, contrasting the gritty reality of murder with the glamorous and stylized violence often shown in older Hollywood Westerns."
…at least one of the Boston hospitals the infusion center is where they dump the untouchable union nurses who can’t do simple procedures like find a vein…
I am a supporter of the death penalty. I even wrote a research paper about it while taking an elective course in capital punishment in law school. However, if you are so fucking stupid and incompetent that you can't even correctly carry out an execution, then you should be barred from doing so.
If she was an unborn child they’d likely just lay her on a table and wait for her to die.
The best way to avoid the death penalty is to get pregnant while you're on death row.
I like how she seems to be whispering, as though this is adult talk and children are up and about the house.
I get the sense she's a medic. In order to hold that separation mindset together, where executing someone does not constitute a violation of their Hippocratic oath, not to cause harm; executions need to be done as humanely as possible.
"The best way to avoid the death penalty is to get pregnant while you're on death row."
Women executions should be safe and rare.
Planned Parenthood is an ethical Choice with nearly perfect performance. There are survivors, but they are safely a minority and extremely rare.
I haven't read an explanation of how she got to spend 32 years on Death Row. That's 32 years more than her victim. Apparently she also tried to murder a fellow inmate along the way, and tried to escape at one point. That's the thing about these long waits (and also about life without parole that the anti-Death Penalty people advocate): The prisoners have nothing to lose.
The first rule of viability club is to not entertain abortive ideation and take affirmative action for causes other than self-defense. The second rule to avoid rational jurists is to not engage in torture-torture.
Reminds me of that Bon Jovi song.
Shot through the heart and you're to blame
Darling, you give executions a bad name.
Disgusting. Put everyone involved in this shitshow in a room and just blow it up with a ton of TNT.
"unalive her."
See my previous comment about having seemingly contradicting directives, complimentary dance together without stepping on each other.
Who knows, maybe we get lucky and AI will/does get that kind of vital subtlety.
"Put everyone involved in this shitshow in a room and just blow it up with a ton of TNT."
Beheading with DetCord (or PETN shock tube) would be my 2nd preferred capital punishment option. Not even joking. It ranks behind firing squad because of the mess. In addition to 'lolipopping' the skull the brisance would shatter the brain stem and occipital joint.
The detonation velocity is faster than the speed with which neurons transmit pain, even that close to the brain. Heh...that rhymes.
Do the right thing. Bring her back to a healthy state. Then take her out back and shoot her in the head.
"...if you are so fucking stupid and incompetent that you can't even correctly carry out an execution, then you should be barred from doing so."
The execution should be as methodically well executed, as the agonizing decision to put someone to death. No margin for error. If we don't aim for that; are we better than the acts of the condemned?
Is it Impossible?
"We choose to ...and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard" --JFK
Pentobarbital is all that they use for lethal injection execution? WTF? Barbiturate overdose kills by means of respiratory depression. You fall asleep, and you stop breathing, and you die. But, as many people just learned yesterday, that is not a sure thing. In this circumstance, the barb should be used just to get them asleep so that you can then give them a lethal Potassium Chloride (KCl) injection. Sheesh, ask your local veterinarian.
Having trouble with an IV? Give them a mask anesthetic and then an intracardiac injection of KCL. This isn't rocket science.
Yes, death to those who commit elective abortion, torture-torture, too, but no cruel and unusual punishment for those convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, who can be ethically Planned with established practices by licensed abortionists. Why is a doctor involved? To confirm cessation of a heart beat, aborted nervous system function?
Complex capital punishment procedures are not surviving the competency crisis. The list of seemingly simple things we now fuck up badly grows ever longer.
I suppose strangling her to death with an exercise cord is a little too cruel and unusual to unalive a non-infant, especially a person who is not completely innocent. As a society we have to have standards.about how murderers are punished.
"The execution should be as methodically well executed, as the agonizing decision to put someone to death. "
The belief that that requires complexity is what led to this incompetence. Too many rules about it, including ones designed to make it likely to fail. If you want extra suffering by the murder and the victims, this is how you get it. The only reason for it being so complicated is to thwart justice, when death is the just goal ordered by a court after years of weighing evidence over and over.
The process could be simple and foolproof which is the only just way once the outcome is already ordered and legal. It could be made to require almost no expertise, training, or elusive supplies, and it could be automated so nobody pulls the switch. All the problems could be easily solved if that's what the goal was.
My wife used to get regular infusions. Finding a vein is not a simple process. Just shot them.
I wonder if Death (It/That) offered Christa Pike a can of water when she showed up in his office? Maybe she's still at his office...in the waiting room.
"Finding a vein is not a simple process."
IDK. I've had regular blood draws for years. Never had one problem.
Sabotage? A lot of that going around these days.
I'm wondering if trained medical personnel are allowed to participate. Hasn't that been a thing?
Jim at 2:26 - Could not agree more.
Gallows or firing squad: quick and sure.
Remember, most Democrats do not oppose capital punishment. They just want different people put to death. Full term babies? Yep. Old people with disabilities? Looking at MAID and Canada. Your kids if you are depressed? Ask all the people supporting Lindsey Clancy. Jews in Isreal? Most of today's Democrat politicians. Jews in America? Hasan Piker says yes and very few Democrats disagree! Political enemies of Democrats like Trump or Republicans in Congress? Absolutely -- polls show over 80% of Democrats want Trump dead. "Smirking while Catholic" boys from Covington Catholic schools. Little kids in Christian schools when violent trannies invade.
All belong dead according to many if not most Democrats.
Who do Democrats NOT support killing? Convicted murderers/rapists/child rapists. Ilegal immigrants who murder people on camera. Muslim terrorists. Anyone who kills a Christian or a Jew.
"All the problems could be easily solved if that's what the goal was."
The overriding problem is that there are people in this country who think the only laws that need following are the ones they agree with and all the rest can be ignored.
Back in May there was another TN execution where they couldn't find a vein. I asked at that time if you could intentionally dehydrate yourself enough to make the execution hard to conduct.
Original Mike, I think it varies. I give blood regularly and usually have no problems but by my estimation it requires both active participation of the patient, and effective communication from them to get a good stick. doubtful that either would be forthcoming from somebody on death row
basically both my wife and I know from experience which arm has good veins for a stick but if we hadn't regularly been subject to either infusion or blood draws we'd have no idea, plus we certainly have incentive to give effective advice
I think they should execute her the way she executed her victim: beating her to death with a slab of asphalt. What could be more just than that? Every ancient society handled things that way. It's how she treated others, so why shouldn't she be treated that way?
A sporting nation, having tried twice to execute her and failed, would set her free. She won this one.
"Attorneys for Christa Pike said Thursday afternoon that she is alive, in critical condition 'and receiving lifesaving medical care' "
It's unfortunate that Christa's victim wasn't afforded the opportunity to receive lifesaving medical care, but that ship has sailed.
Prescription: a steady diet of saltine crackers and Prestone antifreeze will eventually take her to Hell.
I've been against the death penalty ever since those bogus charges they convicted Jesus on---however, why isn't anyone talking about using a helium gas chamber? That would at least add a little levity, no?
"my estimation it requires both active participation of the patient, and effective communication from them to get a good stick."
I have to say, I don't understand that. I don't participate at all; in fact I avert my eyes. The technicians have always been swift and efficient. I've had lots of these since my leukemia diagnosis 16 years ago.
If dehydration is really an issue, they could hydrate the prisoner in the run up to the execution.
PPV Caged Heat Match: Pike vs. Clancy
Yes, Driver's here to express his opposition to the death penalty for murderers and the like. But note how he's silent on Democrat support for murdering babies, and he was here supporting Clancy's right to kill her kids because she was sad. He frequently rails against anyone killing Islamic people murdering Jews (never against the murder of the Jews though!) and he's all aboard the "kill Trump!" train the left is on.
So he's not against the death penalty. He just wants different people put to death than criminals and the like.
Also: Is our gracious host going to post about the Iranian terrorist dictatorship endorsing Democrats and urging Americans to vote for the Democrat party because the Democrats will support the Iranians who love murdering women and children?
I inhected a man in Reno
Just to watch him die longer.
I asked AI what sort of medical care/procedures might be used here and received this reply:
Aggressive Crystalloid Fluid Resuscitation: Large volumes of intravenous saline or balanced crystalloid fluids are infused rapidly to expand blood volume and raise blood pressure.
"Intravenous"? Isn't this how things got to this point to begin with?
"I think they should execute her the way she executed her victim: beating her to death with a slab of asphalt. What could be more just than that? Every ancient society handled things that way. It's how she treated others, so why shouldn't she be treated that way?"
At this point in our global competency crisis I'd be worried they'd screw something as simple as dropping a chunk of asphalt effectively.
“Kai Akker said...
A sporting nation, having tried twice to execute her and failed, would set her free. She won this one.”
No can do. While in prison she was found guilty of attempted murder and has another quarter century to serve after she’s through serving her sentence for murdering Colleen Slemmer. (No, I have no idea how they’d do that if her original sentence ended in the death chamber, as it was suppose to.)
@Vance. I am Catholic. I am against the death penalty, abortion, and euthanasia. I'm consistent. Pay attention. I just had a snarky post about the euthanized baby just the other day.
That's why I'm also against the murderous IDF murdering and starving babies.
You are all a bunch of sick immoral fucks who will probably burn in Hell, but you all do you.
>Mason G said...
Large volumes of intravenous saline or balanced crystalloid fluids are infused rapidly to expand blood volume and raise blood pressure.
"Intravenous"? Isn't this how things got to this point to begin with?<
They are most likely using a subclavian vein stick or a cut-down on a leg vein.
This was my Christa Pike commentary in last night's open thread. Reposting it here.
Thoughts on the botched attempted execution of Christa Pike in Tennessee:
1. Did she get her request of an all-female execution team? If so, it kind of reminds me of the much ballyhooed "first all-female spacewalk" where one of the women allowed a tool to drift off into space.
2. Incompetence or possible sabotage? Maybe pentobarbital that had been sitting on the shelf for too long?
3. Does the State of Tennessee get another bite at the apple after Pike's failed execution? And despite the fact that she committed a particularly heinous murder 32 years ago, should they?
4. A religious person might look at the botched execution and think that maybe her survival against the odds was God's will?
I wonder who is Ms. Pike's surrogate medical decision-maker? A relative undoubtedly has medical power of attorney and is acting on Ms. Pike's behalf. Can this person say -- screw it, pull the plug?
You are all a bunch of sick immoral fucks who will probably burn in Hell,
Not me. I'm beloved by the lord of the universe.
"You are all a bunch of sick immoral fucks who will probably burn in Hell, but you all do you."
Nobody expects the Triple-Dinquisition! Dum dum dum!!!
Driver, you are eerily silent when Muslims set fire to Christian churches and burn the parishoners to death. You don't care one whit that Hamas uses children as human shields. Gaza has over 300 miles of tunnels that could be good bomb shelters.... and Hamas refuses to let any civilian use them while they cower in them, letting the civilians die. But given that the vast, vast majority of Palestinians chant death to america and support killing me along with all the Jews in the world, I find it hard to care about what happens to them. Just like I didn't care too much about what happened to the aztecs who spent a great deal of time cutting hearts out of people. God Himself ordered some civilizations erased, and for good reason. Today, Gaza is one of those "civilizations."
Next you'll be here telling me God is immoral for killing the kids in Sodom and Gomorrah.
A handmade tale conceived and birthed to bray with empathetic opposition to capital punishment of insane Choices with premeditated torture-torture and homicidal affirmative action? A fetus... feature of Democracy now and progressive consensus? Maybe, baby.
What? life saving meds - so they can try and fail again.
Someone switched the meds.
"Her apparent motive was that she thought the victim was after her boyfriend."
A burden is a "burden" is a burden of state and mind.
"It took Colleen Slemmer 30 minutes to die with the fatal blows being delivered to the head with a rock after cutting her repeatedly in the stomach and throat with a box cutter."
h/t market-ticker.org
A disposition displayed, a character revealed.
*You are all a bunch of sick immoral fucks who will probably burn in Hell, but you all do you.*
Heaven surely awaits for a purty mouth like that.
BELIEVERS = Time to go to the RULE BOOK " King James Version (KJV): "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
"...she is alive, in critical condition 'and receiving lifesaving medical care'..." from which she is expected to emerge tanned, rested, and ready for Round Three.
"They are most likely using a subclavian vein stick or a cut-down on a leg vein."
Ok- fair enough.
Too bad there are no nearby vets that could help with the original problem, then.
The procedure ought to be (1) use a general anesthetic, and repeat until it works. Then (2) use any method of killing. Cut out the heart, bleed the perp out, any old thing. Repeat as necessary, it doesn't matter, the perp isn't conscious.
paging Dr Kevorkian, paging Dr. Kevorkian
Just bring back Herman Gosnell: Democrats loved what he did, so surely this woman can be "treated" by Gosnellian methods!
Rh might be onto something there.
That would leave a wide margin for... incompetence.
That's Genesis DINKY... But, I'm not going to get in a theological argument with you... forget I said anything.
BTW. Just in case I'm not being as clear as Obama ;-). Just because I want us to do executions right, doesn't mean my hart is with the perps. It's beyond that.
I don't see how they can execute her now. On the plus side, with all this publicity, I don't see how at some future time the parole board can let her loose either. Congrats, she's gets to live out her days in jail..........I think the death penalty should be used sparingly, but there are some crimes that are so exceedingly repugnant that they need capital punishment to restore balance to the cosmos. There should be a separate class of repugnant crimes. The trials should be swift, the appeals process should be limited, and the sentence should be carried out within the year. I'm pretty sure that would help families and loved ones with their grieving process. And it would make the rest of use feel good about the justice system.........If someone tortured a child I loved to death, I would not want to read about how they found Jesus and, really, have now become a marvellous new person.
Cordelia gave Bothari the Sword and commanded him to Execute This Man>>>>Vordarian.
Cordelia was rescuing her son kidnapped by Vordarian!!
Isn't Tennessee hillbilly: what was JD Vance to say
There is in fact such a thing as A Fate Worse Than Death. A number of them. in fact. Life in prison with no chance of parole might be one of them.
Original Mike, I guess mileage varies with the staff and the patient. Both my wife and I have had issues at times, me once because I was dumb and had them stick me in my left arm for a donation which I kinda knew wasn't a good plan but I wanted to see if it would work because I'm right handed and she because she has extensive damage to the flesh on her right arm which limits their options. I'm just saying that not everybody is an 'easy stick' and problems could occur for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with the competence of the people performing the procedure, though I have had different techs at a donation center get different results from me.
Unmasked: the doctor who helps put prisoners to death ~ The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/aug/08/tennessee-doctor-executions-death-penalty
𝘋𝘳. 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘬 𝘞𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘰𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘸𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘮𝘢𝘴𝘬𝘦𝘥, 𝘶𝘯𝘴𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥, 𝘰𝘶𝘵-𝘰𝘧-𝘱𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦, 68-𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳-𝘰𝘭𝘥 “𝘥𝘰𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳” 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘛𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘦’𝘴 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴. 𝘈 𝘧𝘦𝘸 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘴 𝘢𝘨𝘰 𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘯 𝘐𝘝 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦—𝘢 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘤𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘥𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘥𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘥𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘪𝘯 13 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴. 𝘏𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴 𝘢 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘮𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘥𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘦𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘴, 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘣𝘺 𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘥 $3,000 𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘴. 𝘌𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳, 𝘛𝘰𝘯𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘶𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘢 1-𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘍𝘰𝘸𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘱𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘪𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯 𝘐𝘝 𝘰𝘳 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦. 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘶𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴’ 𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘧𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘶𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘯𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮. 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳, 𝘪𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘗𝘪𝘬𝘦.
Tennessee has now botched two execution attempts in 2026 - first failing to establish the required IV access, then administering two doses of lethal drugs to Pike without killing her. She remained alive and breathing for more than an hour before being taken to a hospital.
Whatever one thinks about the death penalty, repeatedly failing to carry out an execution without causing prolonged suffering is a pretty serious indictment of the state’s competence and procedures.
If Democrats hadn't fought so hard to make executions so hard to do, firing squad would be easy and solve these things.
"Many states face challenges in finding doctors willing to participate in executions due to ethical concerns and opposition from medical organizations like the American Medical Association, which prohibits physician involvement in executions. As a result, some states may resort to using non-medical personnel for the execution process."
duck.ai
"Many states face challenges in finding doctors willing to participate in executions due to ethical concerns..."
"Ethical concerns"? Covid19 has entered the chat...
"If Democrats hadn't fought so hard to make executions so hard to do, firing squad would be easy and solve these things."
Botched executions are as much a democrat tool as are dead ICE protesters.
"I was dumb and had them stick me in my left arm for a donation which I kinda knew wasn't a good plan but I wanted to see if it would work because I'm right handed"
I'm a righty and I always have then do my left arm. I figure if something goes wrong and it falls off I've still got my good one.
if you have not experienced the murder of a loved one you do not have a remote idea of the devastation. I was on a first name basis with five murder victims, including my brother I was also on a first name basis with five guys convicted of murder, None of whom killed the five guys I knew. So I guess you could say that I land on both sides of the equation. That said, I say Pike should have a red hot Pike shoved up her ass and through her throat.
It’s hard for me to think of a story that more clearly encapsulates the moral rot at the heart of our country than the botched execution of Pike. Seeing so many people cheer as the state kills an American citizen is a grim reminder of how little regard we can have for human life when vengeance takes hold. The desire for retribution can warp our moral consciousness and, in the process, degrade the entire society.
To quote Bluey: "If you're going to do something, do it properly."
We can't have a death penalty when they keep making major screw ups like this.
I read an article about a grandmother in Canada who apparently did not want to be killed in a hospital by Maid and it mentioned the botched killing and bloody sheets. So it’s always bad when this stuff goes wrong. You need to be perfect or you are very much discredited.
If the standard is that 99.9% success is not good enough then ban the injection method. The gas chamber is pretty much banned for the same reason.
@Indefinitely Extended Excursion, so I shall pointedly ask you the question I have been asking since Althouse introduced Christa Pike as a topic. In your opinion what do we owe the people who were murdered? None of your vague generalities; be specific.
@BM: We owe the people who were murdered justice, remembrance, and a recognition of the terrible wrong done to them. We owe their families compassion and support. But I don’t believe honoring the victims requires the state to kill in their name. Justice and vengeance aren’t necessarily the same thing and my concern is precisely what happens to our moral judgment when we allow vengeance to become the measure of justice.
@Indefinitely Extended Excursion, your comment is exactly the sort of mealy-mouthed crap I told you not to respond wth. We owe them justice but not vengeance? What if whst you call vengeance looks like simple justice to the rest of us? Are you prepared to accept that you might not have a lock on all the world’s knowledge?
The best argument against the death penalty that I ever heard is that the government is often wrong and screws up. Which means it's entirely possible that we are killing an innocent man.
That's the pro-life argument. We are not God, we are not infallible, what if we screw up?
I also believe, when Harry Blackmun wrote, "I will no longer tinker with the machinery of death," his subconscious was crying out about his abortion opinions. His conscious mind couldn't hear it, because he was too invested in what he had done. He couldn't acknowledge it, or even think about it, because it would cost him too much to do so.
Strap 'em down. Light 'em up.
They did that to one guy, and he caught on fire.
It's similar to why the Supreme Court had to keep revisiting its abortion opinions. They would kick one procedure out the window. Because of all the abortion screw-ups. And they would adopt a new procedure.
At first, they would scald the baby in the uterus. And then in L.A., a baby was born alive, scalded and crying. And the doctor tried to strangle the baby to death. That was a murder charge. Oops.
Then there was that dead baby, found in a hotel room trash can. That was a police investigation. Oops.
So then they went with D&E, where you rip the baby apart and take them out piece by piece, in the abortion clinic.
There was a baby who was born, alive in a hospital, after a botched abortion. She was missing an arm. Usually, the baby died, of course. But sometimes the doctor would not get all the baby tissue in the uterus. (The doctor reassembles the body parts on a tray to make sure nothing was left behind). This was a sloppy way to conduct business. But this is a business that objects to the ultrasound. So women and girls would end up in the ER with baby parts still in their uterus. And the AMA was like, "this is making us look bad."
So that's when they tried killing the baby in the middle of birth.
It was all the ugliness of the actual procedure of homicide that makes people revolted at what you are doing. It's why executioners used to wear masks. So people would smile at them on the street and not associate them with decapitation.
It's ironic that all those countries who have abolished the death penalty (most of the world) are now routinely killing innocent unborn children and innocent old people.
It’s hard for me to think of a story that more clearly encapsulates the moral rot at the heart of our country than the botched execution of Pike. Seeing so many people cheer as the state kills an American citizen is a grim reminder of how little regard we can have for human life when vengeance takes hold. The desire for retribution can warp our moral consciousness and, in the process, degrade the entire society.
This would be way more impressive if you were actually pro-life, IIE. You are oblivious to the homicides that you like. You are the pacifist who kills babies in the abortion clinic. On your days off, you go into the hospital and suffocate the old people, with pillows. You hate racism and you refuse to hire white men. You violate every principle you spout, out in the open, while you expect us to listen to you.
People who think their homicides are righteous are demonic and dangerous. We are all God's children.
if you have not experienced the murder of a loved one you do not have a remote idea of the devastation. I was on a first name basis with five murder victims, including my brother
I am genuinely sorry for your loss, Valentine. God's peace. May you be reunited with your loved ones in heaven.
Yesterday morning, I did some quick research. Two quick things:
First, apparently, nowadays, it's not uncommon to have death-sentence prisoners on death row for the amount of time this perpetrator has been on death row. This lengthened amount of time has apparently been a trend for quite a while now.
Second, nurses and doctors are not allowed to participate in executions, apparently. In addition, drug companies do not want to sell their products for executions and therefore they won't sell them for this purpose. This can result in difficulties for states to obtain the drugs needed for an effective execution cocktail. They sometimes try to stockpile what they need when they manage to get a source, but this has apparently resulted in expired drugs being used or wanted to be used, which in turn has provoked more litigation.
I couldn't understand myself why there was such a difficulty in executing someone by drugs, because--as others have noted--God knows, people manage to off themselves all the time, on purpose or accidentally, using pharmaceuticals. And hospitals seem to be able to manage to effectively manage administering injections and so forth. The pharmacy issue and the doctor/nurse issue explains some of the difficulties, however frustrating and/or gobsmacking it might be.
Not "pharmacy," but "pharmaceutical.
There's not a trend to just having a single shooter execute a convicted murderer under imposition of the death penalty. This is apparently because they're trying to protect the mental health of the shooter, from what I can gather. From what I read quickly yesterday, in the case of firing squad, typically one of the shooters is randomly given blanks. That way, each shooter can say to himself or herself that he might not actually have killed someone. I gather that this is supposed to provide some psychological space for the shooters, especially if they were to be regularly deployed to participate in executions.
I am not against the death penalty per se. Sometimes it's needed. But there's a "however." We cannot risk putting innocent people to death, and we do need to figure out how to carry out executions in a foolproof fashion. We have amassed too many examples of "fails" on both counts. Let's address and fix that.
Yeah they should have been more competent
Re pregnant on death row...
Only adults can be sentenced to death, it takes 30+ years for appeals. Odds are pretty good that menopause will have set in by then
Planned Perphood of the premeditated homicidal variant, not Personhood that is the Choice of the insane, not Parent... hood, and certainly not Parenthood that is an insane Choice.
The solution is, of course, sharks with lasers.
Dr Kevorkian never had these kinds of problems.
Indefinitely extended incarceration is a cruel and unusual punishment. The sentence should be equitable and proportional to the crime. That said, social justice anywhere is injustice everywhere. #HateLovesAbortion
Saint Croix said - re IEE (D)
"This would be way more impressive if you were actually pro-life, IIE. You are oblivious to the homicides that you like. You are the pacifist who kills babies in the abortion clinic. On your days off, you go into the hospital and suffocate the old people, with pillows. You hate racism and you refuse to hire white men. You violate every principle you spout, out in the open, while you expect us to listen to you."
keeper!
Saint Croix said...
Strap 'em down. Light 'em up.
They did that to one guy, and he caught on fire.
Nobody said it has to be boring.
"I don't know why men should fear death, knowing it is the necessary end, and it will come when it will come."
Some dead Roman guy.
What's the matter Dinky? Afraid of the dark?
Kevorkian Planned "burdens" as a euthanasian religion of assisted selfie-abortions. Gosnell Planned "burdens" rationalized by Critical Diversity Theory incorporated under the umbrella of a special peculiar liberal consensus. Wicked. #HateLovesAbortion
Levine's Dreams of Herr Mengele transing the Rainbow at the intersection of sex and sex-correlated gender to design a hybrid human construct. Queer and unusual.
Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) service has experienced rare instances of failed or severely complicated procedures.
The Bradley Stewart Case (2024): In a highly publicized case reviewed by Ontario’s MAID Death Review Committee, an Ontario man named Bradley Stewart unexpectedly resumed breathing and gained consciousness after initially being pronounced dead by his MAID provider. The physician had failed to administer the full, customary sequence of lethal drugs and had already left the property before the patient woke up groaning. The same provider later failed a second time to complete a procedure on another patient under different circumstances.
Sedative/Anesthetic Failures: In other cases highlighted by medical review boards, the initial heavy sedatives failed to work properly. This left patients conscious or semi-conscious, vocalizing distress or groaning before the final paralyzing agents took effect.
Technical Issues: Difficulty establishing intravenous (IV) access or line failures during the active infusion of the lethal medications have also occurred, requiring emergency interventions by clinicians to complete the procedure. (Google Search AI)
BM writes: 𝘈𝘳𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘦𝘱𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘮𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘬 𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥’𝘴 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘭𝘦𝘥𝘨𝘦?
Of course I might be wrong. That’s why I’m making an argument rather than claiming to possess “𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥’𝘴 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘭𝘦𝘥𝘨𝘦.” But “𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦” doesn’t settle the question. Vengeance and justice have overlapped throughout human history; that doesn’t make them morally identical.
My point is narrower: a person can believe that someone who commits murder deserves the most serious punishment available without believing that the state must deliberately take that person’s life. If you believe execution is justice rather than vengeance, that’s a defensible moral position. But it’s an argument you still have to make -- not something established by calling it “𝘴𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦.”
And the botched execution itself isn’t proof that the death penalty is morally wrong. It does, however, raise a separate and very serious question about whether the state can administer an irreversible punishment competently and humanely.
“Saint Croix said...
It's ironic that all those countries who have abolished the death penalty (most of the world) are now routinely killing innocent unborn children and innocent old people.”
And given that I’m an 80 year man with pulmonary and cardiac issues I am not an all eager for the US to become one of them.
Saint Croix writes: "𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘺 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘰-𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦, 𝘐𝘐𝘌.
That’s not a rebuttal; it’s a fan-fiction biography of me followed by an accusation of hypocrisy. If there’s a contradiction in what I’ve actually said, point it out. Otherwise you’re arguing with positions you’ve assigned to me rather than anything I’ve written.
@Saint Croix, what makes you think Indefinitely Extended Excursion would ever be a hiring manager?
@Indefinitely Extended Excursion, ain’t no “might” about your being wrong. Nice of you to admit that if I “believe execution is justice rather than vengeance, that’s a defensible moral position.” Tears of joy and gratitude are pouring from my eyes and threaten to short out my iPhone. The justification is simpler: murder is a habit-forming crime, and we kill murders so they won’t do it again.
^^ That’s actually a different argument and a more empirical one. If the justification is incapacitation, then the question becomes whether killing someone is necessary to prevent them from killing again. Life imprisonment can also permanently incapacitate someone without making an irreversible decision to take their life.
And “𝘮𝘶𝘳𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘩𝘢𝘣𝘪𝘵-𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘦” isn’t really an argument; it’s a claim about recidivism that requires evidence. If we’re going to justify an irreversible punishment on the grounds that it’s necessary to protect society, “we kill them so they can’t do it again” doesn’t establish that necessity.
IIE, if you are pro-life, feel free to say so.
Literally everything I've heard you say is right out of DNC talking points. You regurgitate them, non-stop. It's so predictable and boring. It would be very interesting if you departed from DNC talking points. Are you pro-life? Have I maligned you by my assumption that you are a pro-choice individual? Speak, boy, you blather all the time. Why are you quiet on this subject?
“Speak, boy” — nothing says confidence in your argument like demanding a political loyalty oath.
If you have a factual objection to what I’ve said about abortion, make it. “You sound like the DNC” isn’t an argument. It’s what you say when you don’t have one.
Driver, you are eerily silent when Muslims set fire to Christian churches and burn the parishoners to death.
I'm opposed. Derp.
"And “𝘮𝘶𝘳𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘩𝘢𝘣𝘪𝘵-𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘦” isn’t really an argument;"
Well, isn't that handy? When you cannot refute an argument, you just say that it "isn't really an argument." Noted.
"it’s a claim about recidivism that requires evidence."
So go and look you lazy bastard. You can start with this article
Once an abortionist, always an abortionist. Planned or premeditated performance of human rites is a character revealed.
If you have a factual objection to what I’ve said about abortion, make it.
My point is that you are refusing to say anything about abortion. You think you can talk about the death penalty in isolation, and that makes you some sort of nice liberal puppy. Your party supports infanticide, assisted suicide, and euthanasia. So your attempt to lecture Republicans on killing convicted murderers is a joke.
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