My late MIL used to call for Tall Person (me) when she couldn't reach something on an upper shelf or atop the fridge. My wife is only somewhat taller than her mother, and continues the tradition.
Ronald J. Ward, you're making yourself ridiculous. "If you can't even answer a simple yes-or-no question..." about a subject that, in the event of a "yes" answer - as you well know - carries enormous implications for the economy of the entire world?!
Sure, dude. Human activity is probably having an effect on climate. It is clearly not a catastrophic effect. It's not even a large one - the earth has been ice-free more than ice-capped over its history. It is not an effect that requires remaking, or even altering, the global economy. That's just collectivist, commanding-heights garbage. And those are all the implications of your "simple yes-or-no question." As you well know.
But you, disingenuously as always, present a very complex subject as a gotcha "yes-or-no question" in order to justify calling people on the right "cultists." How does your side feel about "gender-affirming care"? Are you - is anyone on your side - "allowed" to question even that euphemism, much less what it actually means? Seems to me you become apostates the moment you try. Whereas - just take yesterday's posts, for instance. Trump runs his mouth about what led to Rob Reiner's death; lots of Trump-supporting commenters, here and elsewhere, decried his post; they're not being considered traitors to Dear Leader. Suzie Wiles is quoted as "saying" a bunch of two- or three-word phrases that Vanity Fair presents as devastating to Trump and his cabinet; the only critique of Wiles is that she should've known VF would do what they did, not that she said whatever she said. And Trump, so "famously thin-skinned," is supporting her.
We had two cats at the house in San Francisco. They were my daughters fault, as she came to me one night (age 5, and the acknowledged shop steward of the childrens union) and asked "can we have a kitty daddy? I'll take care of it". She lied. The cats had little interest in laser pointers. They much preferred "magic sting" - clothesline. The cats have long since passed on to their master, Satan.
When I was a teen, I loved Risk. Probably my favorite board game. Conquer the world. The damn thing would often take hours to play. 3 to 6 hours, probably. It was a commitment. Sometimes it would be “to be continued.”
One time, my family was at the beach, and it was raining. So my brother and I talked our parents into playing Risk.
An hour later, my Mom was like, “how long is this game?” She was bogged down in Asia, or wherever the hell she was.
“I don’t know,” I said. She’s looking at the box. “Maybe two or three hours.”
“THREE HOURS?!”
And they both quit. We were like, “You can’t quit!” We were like Patton and my parents were like the Italians, or the French. They were out. Game over.
Decades later, I download Risk for my phone. 10 minutes later, I’m like, “oh shit, I can’t play this, no way.”
So Johnson now forced to put up a vote on ACA subsidies,BUT NOT UNTIL THEY EXPIRE. What a clown show. There is a possibility of retro back to JAN1st but peoples monthly charges will already have gone up.STILL NO PLAN FROM THE RIGHT only a Concept AFTER 15 YEARS. What a clown show.Trump wants to give you a 1 time payment that may cover one month but cant use it for paying the bill/ What a joke..NOBODY UP IN HERE CARES ALL OLD PEOPLE ON SOCIAL SECURITY MEDICAID MEDICARE SO F all those others, What a clown show. EMERGENCY ROOMS ARE CREAMING,TAX DOLLORS TO PAY EMERGENCY ROOM COSTS you'll enjoy .
Jamie @10:31, You’re doing exactly what Tim did: refusing to acknowledge baseline reality without immediately litigating policy implications.
Whether climate change is real and measurable is a scientific question. How society responds is a political one. Conflating the two is how shared reality gets negotiated away.
Disagree all you want on magnitude, urgency, or policy — but those debates only happen after reality is acknowledged.
Was the 2020 election rigged in Biden’s favor?
Is ICE mainly targeting hardened criminals?
Was Trump treated unfairly over a search warrant for the documents?
If you answer yes to any, you just might be a cultist?
"Reality" is still uncertain. Thats what engineering has to deal with constantly btw. Do we have a problem? What do we do (prudentially) if it is? How much effort is worthwhile to put into this in case it is? It is never just a "scientific question".
Dealing practically with uncertainty. Been there, done that n times.
Mr T, that’s part of the reality ignoring I’m talking about. Whatever Mann did or didn’t do doesn’t refute decades of independent measurements from satellites, oceans, ice cores, and physics.
It’s also a broader pattern of the indoctrination I’m referring to. You’re echoing a non sequitur from years of slow drip programming from the wealthy think tanks who want you to protect their interests.
The question you meant to ask is; Does human behavior tend to cause global climate change?
Locally there may be diffrences but there just isn't enough real data to objectively prove it either way. So, no. The myth cult of climate chang is not real.
Jim & Rusty, thanks for proving my point. Actual science and factual data has no place in your village, a place where going against what you’ve been told to believe would be disloyal.
Let’s try a few more;
Did the FBI obtain a search warrant for classified documents only after months of non-compliance of a federal subpoena — yes or no?
Is it true that most people targeted by ICE have been convicted of violent crimes — yes or no?
Was there evidence sufficient to overturn the certified 2020 election results — yes or no?
Because if you answer yes to any, you just might be a cultist.
Tim @ 8:19, never mind — if a yes-or-no question grounded in mainstream science requires redefining the word “real,” that tells me what I needed to know. No further explanation needed.
“This is exactly how cult members asked when their cult is questioned.
Exactly.”
Nope, and I can almost see the part in your hair from my point flew over your head.
Man made climate change has overwhelming science evidence which is why I asked Tim the simple question of if it was real. It’s just like when I caught Saint Croix actually confirming that the 2020 election wasn’t rigged. Once I pinned him directly, he had to backtrack.
Please show us this evidence retard. Explain to us in detail what evidence actually exists.
I can not wait.
Because everything they have cited as "evidence" in the past are models that can't figure out why there is still Ice in the Himalayas.
Achilles, you’re not actually asking for evidence in good faith — you’re daring me to perform, while pre-emptively dismissing anything I cite as “models.”
Climate change does not rest on computer models. Models are used to test projections, not to establish whether warming is happening or why. I’ll keep this simple and factual, since insults aren’t evidence and yes, the bulk is copied and pasted.
The evidence comes from direct measurements and physical observations, including:
1. Temperature measurements Independent surface thermometers, ocean buoys, weather balloons, and satellites all show the same long-term warming trend. These are measurements, not models.
2. Ocean heat content Over 90% of excess heat goes into the oceans. We measure this directly with millions of temperature readings from ships and Argo floats worldwide. Ocean heat has increased steadily for decades.
3. Ice mass loss Satellites directly measure changes in the mass of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets via gravity. Both are losing ice — measured, not modeled.
4. Sea level rise Tide gauges (going back over a century) and satellites show sea levels rising due to thermal expansion and melting land ice.
5. Atmospheric physics CO₂ absorbs infrared radiation at specific wavelengths. We directly measure: – less heat escaping to space at those wavelengths – more heat returning to Earth That’s laboratory physics confirmed by satellite observations.
6. Chemical fingerprint of carbon The rise in atmospheric CO₂ has an isotopic signature that matches fossil fuels, not volcanoes or natural sources. None of this depends on climate models. As for “ice in the Himalayas” — glaciers don’t melt uniformly, and regional persistence of ice does not contradict global warming any more than snowfall disproves winter warming.
If you want to dispute climate change, you’ll need to explain which of these independent measurements is wrong — and how — without resorting to insults or conspiracy claims.
But once again, my point isn’t solely on climate change. It’s about why so many Trump supporters believe outright lies that are not true and then double down on that belief once the lie is debunked. It’s as if you park your brains at the door of the Cheeto Alter and never leave the alter.
One way you can tell when you are dealing with the madness of crowds is that the parameters keep changing. First there was "Global Warming" then there is currently, "Climate Change". The new parameter is that we are going to go into a mini ice age in the next 5 to 10 years. I agree with this one because the sun has entered a phase trending downward. For those who don't know. The sun drives all the climate on this planet. On another note. The magnetic poles are drifting further south. There are other areas of the earths magnetic magma that are shifting as well. This could account for local variations of sea levels, but on the whole the sea levels haven't changed to a significant degree. Will the poles shift? Yeah. Of course. Maybe in our lifetime. We're overdue.
You know less about the actual science of climate than I know about the Atkinson cycle engine. You are simply parroting talking points that you've been fed.
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«అన్నిటి కంటే పాతది ‹పాతవి 221లో 201 – 221The boys were never as persuasive as their sister. I dont know why. They did like the cats. "Mine cat fluffy!"
My late MIL used to call for Tall Person (me) when she couldn't reach something on an upper shelf or atop the fridge. My wife is only somewhat taller than her mother, and continues the tradition.
I open jars with a single glance.
Ronald J. Ward, you're making yourself ridiculous. "If you can't even answer a simple yes-or-no question..." about a subject that, in the event of a "yes" answer - as you well know - carries enormous implications for the economy of the entire world?!
Sure, dude. Human activity is probably having an effect on climate. It is clearly not a catastrophic effect. It's not even a large one - the earth has been ice-free more than ice-capped over its history. It is not an effect that requires remaking, or even altering, the global economy. That's just collectivist, commanding-heights garbage. And those are all the implications of your "simple yes-or-no question." As you well know.
But you, disingenuously as always, present a very complex subject as a gotcha "yes-or-no question" in order to justify calling people on the right "cultists." How does your side feel about "gender-affirming care"? Are you - is anyone on your side - "allowed" to question even that euphemism, much less what it actually means? Seems to me you become apostates the moment you try. Whereas - just take yesterday's posts, for instance. Trump runs his mouth about what led to Rob Reiner's death; lots of Trump-supporting commenters, here and elsewhere, decried his post; they're not being considered traitors to Dear Leader. Suzie Wiles is quoted as "saying" a bunch of two- or three-word phrases that Vanity Fair presents as devastating to Trump and his cabinet; the only critique of Wiles is that she should've known VF would do what they did, not that she said whatever she said. And Trump, so "famously thin-skinned," is supporting her.
Who's in a cult?
We had two cats at the house in San Francisco. They were my daughters fault, as she came to me one night (age 5, and the acknowledged shop steward of the childrens union) and asked "can we have a kitty daddy? I'll take care of it". She lied.
The cats had little interest in laser pointers. They much preferred "magic sting" - clothesline.
The cats have long since passed on to their master, Satan.
Ronald J.Ward is sincere in his belief that institutional capture is logically precluded.
When I was a teen, I loved Risk. Probably my favorite board game. Conquer the world. The damn thing would often take hours to play. 3 to 6 hours, probably. It was a commitment. Sometimes it would be “to be continued.”
One time, my family was at the beach, and it was raining. So my brother and I talked our parents into playing Risk.
An hour later, my Mom was like, “how long is this game?” She was bogged down in Asia, or wherever the hell she was.
“I don’t know,” I said. She’s looking at the box. “Maybe two or three hours.”
“THREE HOURS?!”
And they both quit. We were like, “You can’t quit!” We were like Patton and my parents were like the Italians, or the French. They were out. Game over.
Decades later, I download Risk for my phone. 10 minutes later, I’m like, “oh shit, I can’t play this, no way.”
So Johnson now forced to put up a vote on ACA subsidies,BUT NOT UNTIL THEY EXPIRE. What a clown show. There is a possibility of retro back to JAN1st but peoples monthly charges will already have gone up.STILL NO PLAN FROM THE RIGHT only a Concept AFTER 15 YEARS. What a clown show.Trump wants to give you a 1 time payment that may cover one month but cant use it for paying the bill/ What a joke..NOBODY UP IN HERE CARES ALL OLD PEOPLE ON SOCIAL SECURITY MEDICAID MEDICARE SO F all those others, What a clown show. EMERGENCY ROOMS ARE CREAMING,TAX DOLLORS TO PAY EMERGENCY ROOM COSTS you'll enjoy .
Jamie @10:31, You’re doing exactly what Tim did: refusing to acknowledge baseline reality without immediately litigating policy implications.
Whether climate change is real and measurable is a scientific question. How society responds is a political one. Conflating the two is how shared reality gets negotiated away.
Disagree all you want on magnitude, urgency, or policy — but those debates only happen after reality is acknowledged.
Was the 2020 election rigged in Biden’s favor?
Is ICE mainly targeting hardened criminals?
Was Trump treated unfairly over a search warrant for the documents?
If you answer yes to any, you just might be a cultist?
"Reality" is still uncertain. Thats what engineering has to deal with constantly btw. Do we have a problem? What do we do (prudentially) if it is? How much effort is worthwhile to put into this in case it is? It is never just a "scientific question".
Dealing practically with uncertainty.
Been there, done that n times.
Ron Ward - stop ignoring reality and wake up.
Climate change hysteria is politically made. in the lab.
Pscho Ward said:
"My point is that you are bound to defend lies and bullshit regardless of the facts"
Remind us how much did professional fraud Michael Mann have to pay for comitting perjrury again...?
Mr T, that’s part of the reality ignoring I’m talking about. Whatever Mann did or didn’t do doesn’t refute decades of independent measurements from satellites, oceans, ice cores, and physics.
It’s also a broader pattern of the indoctrination I’m referring to. You’re echoing a non sequitur from years of slow drip programming from the wealthy think tanks who want you to protect their interests.
Tim, is man made climate change real?
Of course not.
The question you meant to ask is; Does human behavior tend to cause global climate change?
Locally there may be diffrences but there just isn't enough real data to objectively prove it either way. So, no. The myth cult of climate chang is not real.
@Chuck
The Earth's climate has been changing for 4.6 billion years. Shut the fuck up and deal with it.
Jim & Rusty, thanks for proving my point. Actual science and factual data has no place in your village, a place where going against what you’ve been told to believe would be disloyal.
Let’s try a few more;
Did the FBI obtain a search warrant for classified documents only after months of non-compliance of a federal subpoena — yes or no?
Is it true that most people targeted by ICE have been convicted of violent crimes — yes or no?
Was there evidence sufficient to overturn the certified 2020 election results — yes or no?
Because if you answer yes to any, you just might be a cultist.
"My point is that you are bound to defend lies and bullshit regardless of the facts."
Remind us again please how much Michael Mann had to pay for comitting perjury during his climate grift trial...
Ronald J. Ward said...
Achilles said...
Ronald J. Ward said...
Tim @ 8:19, never mind — if a yes-or-no question grounded in mainstream science requires redefining the word “real,” that tells me what I needed to know. No further explanation needed.
“This is exactly how cult members asked when their cult is questioned.
Exactly.”
Nope, and I can almost see the part in your hair from my point flew over your head.
Man made climate change has overwhelming science evidence which is why I asked Tim the simple question of if it was real. It’s just like when I caught Saint Croix actually confirming that the 2020 election wasn’t rigged. Once I pinned him directly, he had to backtrack.
Please show us this evidence retard. Explain to us in detail what evidence actually exists.
I can not wait.
Because everything they have cited as "evidence" in the past are models that can't figure out why there is still Ice in the Himalayas.
You don't even know what scientific evidence is.
Achilles, you’re not actually asking for evidence in good faith — you’re daring me to perform, while pre-emptively dismissing anything I cite as “models.”
Climate change does not rest on computer models. Models are used to test projections, not to establish whether warming is happening or why. I’ll keep this simple and factual, since insults aren’t evidence and yes, the bulk is copied and pasted.
The evidence comes from direct measurements and physical observations, including:
1. Temperature measurements
Independent surface thermometers, ocean buoys, weather balloons, and satellites all show the same long-term warming trend. These are measurements, not models.
2. Ocean heat content
Over 90% of excess heat goes into the oceans. We measure this directly with millions of temperature readings from ships and Argo floats worldwide. Ocean heat has increased steadily for decades.
3. Ice mass loss
Satellites directly measure changes in the mass of Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets via gravity. Both are losing ice — measured, not modeled.
4. Sea level rise
Tide gauges (going back over a century) and satellites show sea levels rising due to thermal expansion and melting land ice.
5. Atmospheric physics
CO₂ absorbs infrared radiation at specific wavelengths. We directly measure:
– less heat escaping to space at those wavelengths
– more heat returning to Earth
That’s laboratory physics confirmed by satellite observations.
6. Chemical fingerprint of carbon
The rise in atmospheric CO₂ has an isotopic signature that matches fossil fuels, not volcanoes or natural sources.
None of this depends on climate models.
As for “ice in the Himalayas” — glaciers don’t melt uniformly, and regional persistence of ice does not contradict global warming any more than snowfall disproves winter warming.
If you want to dispute climate change, you’ll need to explain which of these independent measurements is wrong — and how — without resorting to insults or conspiracy claims.
But once again, my point isn’t solely on climate change. It’s about why so many Trump supporters believe outright lies that are not true and then double down on that belief once the lie is debunked. It’s as if you park your brains at the door of the Cheeto Alter and never leave the alter.
It’s an amazing sight to behold.
One way you can tell when you are dealing with the madness of crowds is that the parameters keep changing. First there was "Global Warming" then there is currently, "Climate Change". The new parameter is that we are going to go into a mini ice age in the next 5 to 10 years. I agree with this one because the sun has entered a phase trending downward.
For those who don't know. The sun drives all the climate on this planet.
On another note. The magnetic poles are drifting further south. There are other areas of the earths magnetic magma that are shifting as well. This could account for local variations of sea levels, but on the whole the sea levels haven't changed to a significant degree. Will the poles shift? Yeah. Of course. Maybe in our lifetime. We're overdue.
RJW
You know less about the actual science of climate than I know about the Atkinson cycle engine.
You are simply parroting talking points that you've been fed.
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