From "Anger is a defining character trait for both parties, new study shows/Updated Pew research shows Democrats are now at record levels of anger toward government, surpassing previous GOP records" (WaPo).
Sample comments: "What a terrible both sidesism essay"/"Before Trump spewed his invectives demonizing our democratic institutions, I was mostly content with our government and felt it reflected our values...."
I like that the essay, by Paul Kane, reminded Democrats that their anger isn't traced to Trump. It was full grown in the Bush era. And you should have seen what it looked like here in Wisconsin in 2011:
I like that the essay, by Paul Kane, reminded Democrats that their anger isn't traced to Trump. It was full grown in the Bush era. And you should have seen what it looked like here in Wisconsin in 2011:
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"What a terrible both sidesism essay"/"Before Trump spewed his invectives demonizing our democratic institutions, I was mostly content with our government and felt it reflected our values...."
L.O. Fucking. L. Talk about lack of self-awareness. "It's just this war and that lying son of a bitch, Johnson!"
We are each responsible, if for nothing else, our response to external stimuli. If you are incapable of self-regulation and rational thought simply because "ORANGE MAN BAD," it would appear that YOU are the problem.
Saddam bluffed that he had WMDs, and we took him at his word. If a bank robber with his finger in his pocket says "I have a gun" and a guard shoots him, do we lamennt the killing of "an unarmed man?"
Who is the guy in the photo? It's not GWB.
To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.
--Charles Krauthammer
We progressive visited friends in Austin, TX, back in the BusHitler era. It must have been close to Halloween, because one thing we did was walk around a neighborhood known for its abundant decorations. Something like three-quarters of them were about Bush and Cheney. The next day, we went shopping. One shop we went into featured a prominent display at the cash register of anti-Bush administration buttons, one of which said, "Oh well... I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway."
I always thought that was - actually I'm not going to characterize how I felt about it. I'll stick to the factual observation that if the buyer got that ship was not in possession of civil liberties, that display wouldn't have been there.
It seems to me that both sides have indeed been angry, frustrated, disappointed, or whatever at government more or less forever. But Republicans tend to grumble and get on with life; Democrats, especially in the modern era, seem to yell a lot.
"It was full grown in the Bush era."
And before then, frankly. My whole life every Republican with a national presence has been equated to Hitler and called a Nazi. They pretend this is something new. The only new thing is not giving AF because giving AF got us here. Normies used to be afriad of having opinions for fear of ostracism. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. They tell us not to believe our lying eyes... that was much easier when theyt controlled the means of communication. It's a shame how little respect they have for actual Liberty and Justice.
Heh... We visited progressive friends, that is.
"Saddam bluffed that he had WMDs, and we took him at his word. If a bank robber with his finger in his pocket says "I have a gun" and a guard shoots him, do we lamennt the killing of "an unarmed man?""
Well... kinda. I'd like to think our intelligence agencies had the sophistication to trust but verify.
Wow, I really need to finish one full cup of coffee before posting, and wake my eyes up. Sorry for the typos but I'll let the rest stand, a testament to my inattention.
"Our constitution was made only for a moral people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
Just as Rome was a small city-state thrust into imperialism with what practically amounted to a municipal form of government, so to is the USA facing challenges its constitution was scarcely designed for.
Everyone is angry things aren't working, but have tens of thousands of reasons for why. Now you know how imperial Romans felt before the crises of the 3rd Century confirmed them.
My anger with government started about 30 years ago when I started my own business and every year brought more new regulations that I had to comply with. It was a full time job just keeping up with compliance, and I was a very small business. The most employees I ever had at one time was three. It sometimes seemed that the regulations were made just so someone somewhere could justify the existence of their job.
WMD past, present, and progressive was one of the stated reasons to abort the first Iraq war that has remained a viable conflict under a ceasefire throughout Clinton's administration, then reignited silently with a billion dollar infusions during the Obama administration a la Biden in Afghanistan.
As for the fear and loathing at home: Diversity (e.g. racism), political congruence, redistributive change, anti-emigration reform, conflation of sex and gender, Obamacares forcing progressive prices, Novel Green Blights and unreliable energy, abortive ideation, progressive corruption, liberal license, handmade tales, etc.
Democrat anger started with the 2000 election and has just gotten worse since.
What absurd propaganda. The Left is ALWAYS angry and upset. Even the slightest opposition to their agenda causes them to rage. And murder their opponents, like Charlie Kirk.
No matter how much they win, they're still unhappy that even .001 percent of the population disagrees. Again, independents and "normies" dont really care about politics, and don't like to fight over it. Leftists eat, sleep and breathe politics. They love to fight. And when they're arent' fighting the Right, they're fighting each other.
In any case, the out-of-power party is always motivated to "Stop them", and has high turnout in the mid-termsn. The D's in Alabama won a Senate seat in 2017, because they turned out 80 percent of their 2016 vote, and R's only turned out 50.
The US government has become a sclerotic, lumbering behemoth that spends vast amounts of money to accomplish virtually nothing. When it does intrude on our lives, it is mostly negative. ("Give us more money! Stop fixing problems yourself!")
The mainstream parties have been too busy looting the treasury to notice (or care about) the damage that they are doing and that clown you quoted is sadly representative of the complacency of the administrative class that is just fine with the hollowing out of our country.
Most recently, mandates and restrictions with expert order, without scientific support.
Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming...soldiers are cutting us down...
Do you remember your President Nixon, Do you remember the bills you have to pay?
Which side is more likely to disassociate with friends/family because of politics? Which side believes political violence is justifiable? Which side celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Which side was upset that the assassination attempt on Trump in Butler, PA failed?
Albinophobia, for one. #HateLovesAbortion past, present, and progressive.
A former commander of NATO’s forces in Europe, Clark claims he met a senior military officer in Washington in November 2001 who told him the Bush administration was planning to attack Iraq first before taking action against Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan.
The general’s allegations surface in a new book, The Clark Critique, excerpts from which appear in the latest edition of the US magazine Newsweek.
But sure, it was about WMDs, which then magically migrated to another country on the list, Syria, whose government we have replaced with al Qaeda head-choppers, who are now feted at NATO security conferences for their good work for the cause.
The first postulate of propaganda science is that people need, at the deepest level, a need with deep evolutionary roots, to be part of a group. We spend millions of years as humans living in small bands, on whom we depended for survival. This makes it very hard to reject propaganda from people we see as the leaders of our groups, so I don't hold it against you if you accept that WMD was the reason for the war, the lie was told enough times.
The second postulate of propaganda science is that the easier it is to think something, the more likely we are to judge it to be true, and nothing makes an idea easier to think than repetition. Therefore, the more often you hear a lie, the more you believe it. Especially if it comes from somebody you trust for reasons of wanting to belong to a group.
In retrospect, I think (I mean, I think we know) there was a good appetite for regime change in the Middle East in some influential quarters back then, such that our intelligence services were pretty ok with the circular process of intelligence-gathering in which one would discover something, become the source for the next, the next would then become a source for the third (which now had "two independent sources"), and so on. And we the people didn't yet know that this is what they did.
Saddam Hussein's having WMDs was one of those things that - was it Comey who just said, about Trump's supposedly being a puppet of Putin, "Doesn't it have the ring of truth?"
Not that I cut Comey any slack for that. He had twenty years to learn the lesson... and from all his other actions, his forwarding of that story was done with full malice aforerthought, not simple credulousness.
Great to have polling companies. What was the previous record level of democratic anger? Is is a one to 10 scale? Or an absolute number?
leftists are rather stupid. Everyone they hate is a Hitler.
Dedicated Democratic cultists will NEVER admit when their side is corrupt.
Just look at Tim Walz's Minnesota.
The cult left - *crickets*
"baghdadbob said...
Saddam bluffed that he had WMDs, and we took him at his word. If a bank robber with his finger in his pocket says "I have a gun" and a guard shoots him, do we lamennt the killing of "an unarmed man?""
Saddam actually used WMD (chemical weapons) against his own people in 1988, so believing he still had them wasn't a stretch.
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/etc/arsenal.html
Every Republican candidate since at least 1948 has been called a Nazi by the Democrats. Personally, I think if more people got punched in the face (them's fighting words), perhaps this wouldn't happen so much. Or bring back dueling.
In other news, Orlando, Florida has been named the Number 1 city to retire in… in last place is Slippery Bathtub, Wisconsin.
Now the Bushes, the Clintons, the whole lot get all lovey lovey at the Dick Cheney funeral and mock that Trump was not there. I would have made a prayer had I been there: "May the furies prepare a just torment for your arrival in Hell, Mr Cheney."
The 2000 was 25 years ago. My cousins from the UK spent a month here that December. Both commented that, You Yanks seem to be taking this casually, which was true. Forget the noise on cable news at the time, Americans were remarkably chill about it all. My workplace was probably 66-33% Democrat, but we'd sit around laughing with each other about the absurdity of it all.
We couldn't see what awaited us, but an age of American civic life was coming to a close.
When you elect democrats you get more wars and corporate collusion, and importation of cheap labor.
When you elect Republicans you get more wars and corporate collusion, and importation of cheap labor.
I wonder why people are mad.
1988... But suddenly we needed to crater one of the ancient cities in the world with dumb iron bombs dropped from B-52s. But at least the people killed there weren't killed by weapons of mass destruction!
"Democrats, especially in the modern era, seem to yell a lot."
I wish they limited it to yelling.
"Hey, Hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today?"
"1,2,3,4. We don't want your fucking war."
"Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him?"
baghdadbob said...
Saddam bluffed that he had WMDs, and we took him at his word. If a bank robber with his finger in his pocket says "I have a gun" and a guard shoots him, do we lamennt the killing of "an unarmed man?"
I will be sure to tell my dead battle buds that if I see them again.
I am sure they will appreciate that.
Saddam actually used WMD (chemical weapons) against his own people in 1988, so believing he still had them wasn't a stretch.
Yes, exactly. It really did have "the ring of truth." And there was that defector who passionately insisted that he had seen the stockpiles with his own eyes. But it seemed to be a lot of the various national intelligence sources that we now call the Five Eyes (were they then? I'm on vacation... inasmuch as that's possible when you're "retired") talking one another into it.
It’s interesting how several above are still rejoicing in the manufactured rejoicing from the left over Kirk.
Hammer attacks, state Democratic senators gunned down, an angry insurrection from Trump supporters- meh.
What some fail to accept is that voters of both parties are angry, metaphorically driving them to the streets with torches and pitchforks. The trick is to convince the pitchfork people that the fork people want to take away their pitchforks.
Most propagandists and cult leaders throughout history understood that. Republican think tanks have been perfecting it since Lee Atwater. Trump completely gets it.
Larry J said…
Saddam actually used WMD (chemical weapons) against his own people in 1988, so believing he still had them wasn't a stretch.
I volunteered to go fight after the war had started. I said at the time that the WMD excuse was a bullshit reason and they should just be honest about why we were there.
If you look at a map you will see something between Afghanistan and Iraq.
But it turns out our goal was to get in a war and then lose it. Bush had no intention of changing anything or any real military objective.
Only people who have experienced war should be able to start them.
I just finished reading a news story at the Free Beacon about US companies with job listings that state "No US citizens". Call me crazy, but that is something the average American should be enraged about.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell Addresses the U.N. Security Council
Rachel Maddow(D) was at Dick Cheney's funeral.
The left are using mail in ballots for their grand one-party take-over.
That's all that matters.
Ronald J. Ward said...
It’s interesting how several above are still rejoicing in the manufactured rejoicing from the left over Kirk.
No it isn’t. It is obvious why we remember what and who you really are.
You are a coward that wants other people to kill those you disagree with so you can take over the government.
Democrats are pissed that their attempt at overthrow has been thwarted. They had it all going for them under the cabbage. Open borders, blm, dei, grooming children, green new deal, prosecutors making up crap to get Trump and the peaceful protestors of j6, anti-semitism, men in women’s sports and girl locker rooms. Now it has all been snatched away from their little communists/fascist hands. Everyone needs to be careful, because they will kill you. Especially if you are white.
Joe Bar said...
Who is the guy in the photo? It's not GWB.
12/8/25, 9:40 AM
Gov. Scott Walker.
The story might be about the voting base and the various reasons why it might be mad at something, even things in the distant past.
But I really think the purpose of the story is to remind the right people that they ought to be mad, and with midterm elections around the corner, really need to be persuaded into being mad - right before being instructed whom to vote for.
Ruling class Democrats are angry because Trump is shutting off the grift spigot. Lefties are angry because the progress toward communism has temporarily slowed. Rank and file Dems are angry because the leftmedia tells them they should be angry and the moral bankruptcy of their Party is causing cognitive dissonance. Republicans are angry because their leaders, except for Trump, his cabinet and DeSantis, are eunuchs. MAGA is mad because District Court Judges are largely corrupt and Republicans are eunuchs.
Yes, the invasion of Iraq (and I would argue that the turning of the Afghanistan invasion into nation-building is actually the start) is a big, big inflection point. Unless one was an adult in 2001-2003, one can't fully appreciate what was sacrificed by the Iraq/Afghanistan wars- those are almost completely responsible for explosion in debt and inflation- the wars required the Federal Reserve to sit hard on interest rates from 2001 until the beginning of Trump's first term.
I think if we had had a more restrained and targeted response to 9/11, the national debt would be sitting around 20 trillion dollars instead of 40 trillion and it is quite likely the 2008-2010 recession would have been far milder and shorter if it occurred at all. The hubris of George Bush the younger and the neo-cons have put us on a path to utter ruin, and one of the effects is the rise of far-left politics in the U.S.
And the idiocy of the COVID response from early 2020 until the end of 2023 just magnified the disaster. We might be in a hole we can't dig out of.
The first postulate of propaganda science is that people need, at the deepest level, a need with deep evolutionary roots, to be part of a group.
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Not the independent ones.
We all don't need tv,
or domesticity for that matter either...
Pull up the covers and get cozy for another month. Hide from the darkness.
lol
"It’s impossible to determine a single root cause for the overall sense of anger and frustration with government..."
I disagree. IMHO Government Incompetence creates about 90% of the anger and frustration the electorate feels, and justifiably so. If those clowns would just do their jobs properly we'd be happy with them.
"But it turns out our goal was to get in a war and then lose it." I don't recall we had a discussion about what the goals were. But I agree that there were and are alot of people not interested in winning or losing any wars.
The national, State, and personal debt is almost exclusively attributable to medical and pharmaceutical costs, particularly in underfunded Medicare, unfunded Medicaid under the Obamacares umbrella.
We might be in a hole we can't dig out of.
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The boys take pictures of wildlife today.
And brag about shoveling their driveways.
Ain't none of fit to dig a trench... the American men today won't do physical labor and have no trades skills, that's why the employers were forced to import all the illegals we're dumping on now.
What if they came out of the military today equipped to roof a building, wire a house, fix a car or even build? With the guns skills and trained harassment, all the muscleheads are fit to do today is harass others and (try to) intimidate minorities. Hence all the make-work ICE and cop jobs...
Who are they really protecting? And don't forget to thank them for their service. Without them, you would have no independence/freedoms dontchaknow? lol
hombre said...
Ruling class Democrats are angry because Trump is shutting off the grift spigot. Lefties are angry because the progress toward communism has temporarily slowed.
Ruling class Republicans are angry because Trump is shutting off the grift spigot. MAGA voters are angry because the progress toward communism has only temporarily slowed.
Gov. Scott Walker a.k.a. Hitler who operated under a DEIst regime, entertained abortive ideation, dreamt of Herr Mengele, and pursued redistributive change in the Democratic mold.
Jamie said...
... inasmuch as that's possible when you're "retired"
It's possible. For many years my retired parents used to travel to Ireland for 3 months of summer vacation. While they were there they would go to Dublin on weekends to avoid the Dubliners coming to the country on the weekend. Then to break things up a bit, they'd have a couple little holidays to London or Barcelona. It was very nice for them, but a bit silly when you stepped back and looked at it.
You can't please any of the people any of the time.
I see this institutional failure among those who align with leftist values to see their disastrous cultural developments over the last few decades and in particular since 2016 - a decade now.
- Trumps first term wasn't a disaster; it was objectively OK through March 2020. You might not like his policies, but it was no different than the last Republican President - who was also objectively OK. It didn't demand the absolute lawfare, non-stop headlines, encouragement of federal government obstruction, etc. etc. that leftists went all out on.
- All of the disastrous effects of Covid policies adopted/allowed under Trump were only EXPANDED under Biden
- The complete loss of trust in national health policy experts was driven by their unfettered and unscientific communication to the U.S. population in a crisis and dismissal of the costs of their policies as reasonable grounds for objection. And the refusal to acknowledge this among both those same experts/expert class AND the media around them is only now coming around, while the Leftist culture has done everything to avoid this reconciliation.
- A complete refusal to see and acknowledge that Biden's policies on southern border immigration led to a 4 year crisis immediately, he refused to address it, hoisted it on Kamala who avoided it entirely, and it just spiraled out of control while declaiming Trump/Republican stances. And what happened? Trump came in and instituted policies and the crisis.... stopped. Immediately. This has not been acknowledged by the Left, or reconciled, but instead continue to point fingers at Right-ists. Hell, even centrists.
- The left ignored and declaimed all observations of Biden's mental decline, categorically. It wasn't until a SINGLE on-stage unscripted debate with Trump - and it wasn't even really a debate it was just a public airing of Biden's actual mental capacity - that his entire presidency and candidacy was laid bare and evaporated. There's barely a few cracks of recognition that an entire party lied and mis-represented a PRESIDENT to its members, then enforced a new candidate undemocratically.
- The left culture clearly accepts and celebrates violence when it's against it's "enemies" (they aren't even real enemies, just people who disagree with them). The acceptance and even endorsement of violent protest, political assassination, and more is abhorrent and currently ok on the left. At the same time, I don't want to ignore the daydreaming of Obama assassination that routinely occurred on the Right.
I could go on, and the sad thing is I tend to align center-right and this isn't a left-alone problem. The right can't see the damage it's doing to itself.
The worst part of all of this to me is the failure to develop true governing leaders among either party. Fundamentally the parties develop politician fundraisers, rather than real governing leaders whose executive decisions and results drive their advancement.
Cackle all you want Achilles but when someone shot Trump, MAGA instructively blamed Democrats. Same with Kirk. A Trump hammer attack, murder a Dem Senator, demanding a Pence hanging from a violent mob and we hear crickets.
On another note, something I repeatedly asked in the early Trump 45 years was why must MAGA have someone to hate. They had to hate Democrats, or Mexicans, or immigrants, or women, or, just find someone to punch in the face and Trump would pay the legal fee. Hate the disabled, hate losers like John McCain.
It just seems to keep being perfected.
Trump and the cult grooming aside, what about Obama? Man, talk about making some blood boil.
"demanding a Pence hanging from a violent mob"
Did that happen? Wasn't there a non functioning installation labeled as "art" there, and do we even know who created it? What I hear here is a conspiracy theory on your part.
"Hate the disabled, hate losers like John McCain"
Oh I hate John McCain, but not because he was a POW, I hate him because he allowed the hate for his captors to grow and achieved a position of power that allowed him to back the endless wars that he envisioned, probably as revenge, on some level, killing probably millions.
"why must MAGA have someone to hate."
Buy a fucking mirror.
Sometimes I wonder what n.n.'s stance on abortion is.
If you seek Valhalla but instead you create the EU, you're gonna have anger issues. Hell is other people and all that.
The left are assassinating people on the non-left.. but don't call them HATERS.
"those are almost completely responsible for explosion in debt and inflation- the wars required the Federal Reserve to sit hard on interest rates from 2001 until the beginning of Trump's first term."
Now Yancy, didn't you know that we are the world superpower and there are no limits on our power and our national wealth is bottomless? We don't even need ink and paper anymore to create our money! This is why we must not fold our hand in Ukraine, and why we must promise to defend Taiwan, should China decide they want their province back. Because I believe Joe Biden when he said "there is *nothing* that American can't do."
The Left was never angry about the Iraq war. They were angry that George Bush was President. Once Obama got into office, the antiwar movement evaporated.
Notice how BLM went away in January 2021? Gosh, guess all their greviances were met. LOL. Suddenly, all the racism went away the night Biden was declared the winner.
The Left doesn't believe in anything except Power.
This all started with the Kennedy assassination in 1963 followed by the Vietnam War debacle The Pentagon papers Watergate yada yada yada. That gets us to the mid-70s when the globalist decided to take away the prosperity of the American middle class and slowly erode it down to a nub.
The recency bias here is par for the course.
Oh and by the way the globalists who are stealing all of our money through corporate socialism and favoritism because they bought and paid for the US government. They love it when the little people squabble over the scraps at the table. Thanks for being a clueless tool of your own destruction.
Ronald J. Ward said...
It’s interesting how several above are still rejoicing in the manufactured rejoicing from the left over Kirk.
So tell me, Ronnie baby, what exactly was “manufactured” in the “rejoicing from the left over [Charlie] Kirk”? The left’s slavering, hate-filled rejoicing over Kirk’s murder seemed pretty organic at the time.
I support abortion in self-defense through reconciliation. Six weeks from conception under homicide laws
MAGA instructively blamed Democrats
Very instructive.
Ronald J. Ward said...A Trump hammer attack, murder a Dem Senator, demanding a Pence hanging from a violent mob and we hear crickets.
That's obviously not true. You heard plenty. But let's look at those:
1) Trump hammer attack: If you're talking about the attack on Paul Pelosi, we've never been given a motive, let alone a political motive, let alone a "Trump" motive.
2) Murder of a Dem senator: there is no right-wing connection to this crime.
3) Mob calling for Pence's hanging. People were demanding a trial for sedition. They didn't get it and they didn't take matters into their own hands.
Have any examples that are actually true?
Basically, tim, Ward is listing widely circulated conspiracy theories that people on his part of the political spectrum fervently believe.
I would like to think that equating Scott Walker and Naziism was peak stupid, but it was apparently just the beginning.
Might just be me. I took issue watching the Branch Davidian Raid. Here are just a few problems:
1) Local PD were willing to pick up David Koresh and his number 2 off the street when they visited in Waco.
2) ATF opted for a no knock raid, which included attempted entry via a second floor window, which is where the ATF agent was shot and killed. This started the stand-off.
3) Once in a state of siege, the only hurry was ending the embarrassing discussion of how badly the government messed this up.
4) The horrifying finale of watching the compound go up flames knowing dozens of lives including innocent women and children dying.
5) No government accountability.
The last item became a common occurrence for various events including:
1) Failure to stop 9-11
2) Failure to prevent a 9-11 terrorist getting a green card approval after the event.
3) Failure of Iraq WMD intelligence
4) Loss of Columbia
4) Too Big To Fail
5) Keep your Doctor
6) Bathroom Server
7) Crossfire Hurricane
8) Las Vegas Shooting
9) COVID
10) Afghan Withdrawal
11) Arctic Frost
Just a few items lacking accountability
A Serbian politician remarked recently that since Donald Trump took office, and kicked the British spies out of the country, that all of the discord that was trending toward a civil war, which would have dragged in both NATO and Russia, suddenly evaporated. "It's amazing how calm it is since Trump took office"
They create this discord, because, as Howard says, it serves their purposes, which they never share with us because we would not approve.
I like how it starts "Failure to stop 9-11" when an extremely senior White House official from the Carter Administration has said that we funded, trained, and armed the jihadis in Afghanistan in order to provoke a Soviet invasion.
"What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" - Zbigniew Brzezinski. 1991 interview
Peaceful resistance in Poland and elsewhere in Eastern Europe brought down the Soviet empire, not playing with fire with terrorists.
Oh, there's more:
Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...
Well, maybe there wasn't before you created the Taliban...
D'oh! Sorry, that was a 1999 interview
https://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/content/brzezinski-interview-1
Have they already forgotten Bushitler? ChimpyBush? No War for Oil? Ketchup is a vegetable?
How about “ You can keep your doctor?”
Political anger isn’t new.
Democrats have been using Nazi slurs against the GOP since the end of WWII. In the 1948 campaign Harry Truman repeatedly accused Dewey and the GOP of Nazi sympathies. Examples from Grok:
On October 25, 1948 in Chicago, Truman said:
“The Republicans are led by a man who got his political ideas from the same boys who supported Hitler and Mussolini in Spain, in Germany, and in Italy… Governor Dewey has the active support of the same crowd that supported Hitler in this country before the war.”
In multiple speeches he repeatedly linked Dewey and the 80th Congress (the “Do Nothing Congress”) to the “fascist” Taft-Hartley Act and accused Republicans of following a “fascist line.”
Example (September 1948, Dexter, Iowa):
“I think the Taft-Hartley Act is a fascist law… The Republicans are trying to undermine labor just the way Hitler and Mussolini did in their countries.”
Truman frequently invoked the pre-war America First Committee and isolationists (some of whom had pro-Nazi or antisemitic sympathies) and claimed Dewey was backed by the same Wall Street and isolationist interests.
He often referred to Dewey’s supporters as the “Hitler-Mussolini crowd” or the “Nazi sympathizers.”
This is what Dems do. This is who they are. I say this more in sorrow than anger (heh).
Almost every intelligence service including jordanians and egyptians thought he had weapons (then again one shell at halabja did a lot of damage
The story is of course more complicated isi officers like the late colonel imam trained many of those who became al queda
Liberals: Pro-Choice: hate loves abortion.
Conservatives: pro-Life: hate love's abortion.
Social progress: keep women affordable, available, reusable and taxable, and the "burden" of evidence sequestered in sanctuary states. #MeToo
Planned parenthood umbrella incorporation is critical for the viability of feminine gender pedophilia. #NoJudgment #NoLabels
Clinton could have ended the ceasefire and first Iraq war, but was notoriously distracted by... uh,, other concerns.
There's barely a few cracks of recognition that an entire party lied and mis-represented a PRESIDENT to its members
It clearly wasn't just "an entire party" - unless you (I mean, correctly) consider the press to be part of the Democrat party. I don't watch TV news; I only saw snippets of what they presented daily and nightly to the American people (who still watch news). But it was patent from those snippets, beginning during the 2020 campaign, that Biden was declining if not full-on declined. Which means that the press, for all their pretended outrage that they had been "duped" by a bare handful of Biden's handlers, was an eager participant in the deception visited on us.
And it continues. We just arrived in Southern California last week to visit family; my father-in-law, who agrees with literally everything in the current Trump platform but has voted Democrat all his life and isn't about to stop now, and who viscerally hates Trump, objected to the Venezuelan drug boat operations because - wait for it - what he "knew" was that these drug boats, if still afloat after the first missile, were being boarded and the surviving crews shot.
And then there's the cute little thing that Google served up to me this morning: Trump is removing MLK Jr Day and Juneteenth from the days when National Park entry fees will be waived, and instead substituting his birthday.
His birthday is Flag Day. Flag Day, as a national celebration, predates national celebrations of both MLK Jr Day and Juneteenth. And the actual lede of the story, in contrast to the headline, even says "Trump's birthday - which is also Flag Day."
You know how people sometimes say you can't hate the media enough? I don't like hating people. But this is a group of people who claim to comprise an institution that counterbalances the power of government through fearless truth telling. Show me where that's happening.
"You can't please any of the people any of the time."
This is why the government shouldn't be trying to run peoples' lives for them.
Scott walker was the most milquetoast earnest fellow and yet thet upon him like wolves
narciso said...Almost every intelligence service including jordanians and egyptians thought he had weapons
There's a very plausible theory that Saddam thought he had weapons too. Which actually explains a lot about his behavior in the run-up to war.
Howard at 11:07 has a good point. Many casual conversations I have around recent volatile issues reveal a near-complete ignorance of 20th century history.
And often, to coin a phrase, I can't be arsed to do the "emotional labor" (cool phrase, huh?) of educating my interlocutors.
Wince said...
“You can't please any of the people any of the time.“
but if you try, sometimes you just might find a pleasing tune with a beat to which you can dance like everyone is watching with disapproval.
Surprisingly raymond got every part of that wrong
High marks
Not to mention the fake turkey (ht tim blair)
"There's a very plausible theory that Saddam thought he had weapons too."
The risks/benefits attached to telling Saddam the truth was enough to make scientists roll the dice on an American invasion, and they won that bet.
If they had released the 28 pages there would have been a more comprehensive view of the 9-11 attacks
Why the alec station chose not to follow the san diego team of hijackers is a quandary
Democrats' entire memory of history is American slavery and Hitler, and they believe Republicans were behind both.
Then there is the whole twisted saga of curveball who was a geerman asset who hated america hence the bnd would not allow him to be interviewed
“The story is of course more complicated isi officers like the late colonel imam trained many of those who became al queda”
That gave me a scare, narciso. My eyes saw “colonel haiku”, not what you actually wrote.
Achilles@1013, what did you think the plan for Iraq should have been? What did you understand it to be, and what did you think was at stake?
I thought at the time, and still think, that land wars in Asia are losing propositions, but Bush wanted to feel like a real president and Cheney wanted to feel like a real man.
tim maguire@1200 brings up the WMD theory I favor: Saddam had enough stuff and expertise to massacre civilians in the Iraqi boondocks, but not enough of either to pose a threat to anyone who mattered or could fight back.
He believed his own schtick.
I would never do that the fellow in question went to ft bragg '75
Abortion refers to termination of a process (e.g. human life). #HateLovesAbortion was conceived (pun intended) as a play on #LoveTrumpsHate. All's fair in lust and abortion, too.
The scorpions he raised actually stabbed him in 2013
I remember when the dems and others practiced election denialism in 2000 and 2004
I understand how someone could see the disastrous Iraq war as the inflection point, but I think that only returned us to the path that had been interrupted by 9/11.
Looking at the bigger picture, it was the 2000 election that really changed the public dynamic. Al Gore's refusal to concede and the ham-handed effort to overturn the results* was the first time in my lifetime that I saw people in power just totally abandon long-standing traditions of conceding and at least putting on a facade of "loyal opposition."
Then 9/11 tamped down all but the most rabid left partisans for a while, and people were supportive of the government when the U.S. actually DID something and overthrew the Taliban. But Bush squandered most of that good will on the idiotic Iraq war and then blew the rest on how he handled the economic crash.
Everyone except the very extremes on both sides wanted a new era of rebuilding and comity to come in with Obama, but he stupidly listened to the people who said he was being called to remake health care and that he needed to make sure to be "equitable" in the stimulus so that there weren't too many "manly" construction jobs (I'm not making that up). Then, because he was inexperienced and somehow thought that the other side would abandon their ideological positions of 50+ years standing because he said so, he threw a racialized hissy fit when he didn't get his own way, and the rest is history. SUCH a missed opportunity. It turned out that he was a surprisingly small man.
*Ironic, because the reason there was any controversy in the first place was that the Miami precincts were handing voters stacks of punch-cards to stuff into the machines and punch all at once. There is no other way to get a "dimpled chad" with those machines. We had them in Rogers Park in Chicago in the '90s, and the nice ladies at the check-in table would regularly hand you a stack of 4 or 5 cards if they liked the look of you.
"The story is of course more complicated isi officers like the late colonel imam trained "
Not sure that that lets the US off the hook:
"Pakistan supported the United States in the Soviet-Afghan war by training and harbouring armed militants to fight the Soviets."
New Delhi:
Pakistan's defence minister admitted to doing "dirty work" for the US and the West when asked whether Islamabad has a history of funding and backing terror groups.
Khwaja M Asif was speaking to British news network Sky News. During the interview, the minister was asked, "Do you admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organizations?" To which the Pakistani minister said, "We have been doing this dirty work for the US for the past three decades, including the West and the United Kingdom."
However, he was quick to call it a "mistake" and said Pakistan "suffered because of that." He added that Pakistan's track record would have been "unimpeachable" had Islamabad not joined the West during the Soviet-Afghan war and the US-led war against the Taliban after 9/11.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/doing-dirty-work-for-us-west-pakistan-minister-khwaja-m-asif-admits-funding-terrorism-pahalgam-terror-attack-8252859
I think that I began to question this stuff when the lies about "Russian collusion" led to the real source of collusion, which was Ukraine, of course, who created fake incriminating "evidence" about Trump's team and "leaked" it to the New York Times, which ran it on the front page, and forced Trump's campaign manager to resign, which was, of course, an own goal, as his new campaign manager was far better at the job and won him the election, which Democrats still insist was "stolen" based on fake evidence.
They did this for their own purposes
There was much wrong in the way the iraq expedition was implemented but im not convinced dems wouldnt have gone crazy without it
the memory of gnats and a personality to match
I was naive in 2003, I actually thought we were going to depose Sadaam, put in a more normal government, and get out. I didn't realize that "nation building" and "Spreading Democracy" was the main objective.
And i thought Sadaam had WMD's because he would never say "I don't have them. Come and take a look. Look anywhere. I don't mind". Instead he was always evasive. Of course, looking back, Bush and establishment had already decided on taking Sadaam out. And nothing Sadaam could have said or done would have changed that.
Putin, Iran, and the dictator in NK learned from that experience. Poor Quadaffi didn't.
Achilles at 1013 - Your worst take ever. "But it turns out our goal was to start a war and then lose it". That is Kak and Inga level nuttiness, just from an R or C. Bravo!
Leftists have been angry all my adult life - I'm 73. Right wing people became angry when the Tea Party's concerns were rejected and suppressed. Most of the right wing people I actually know are a lot less angry at the government.
"while the stated purpose of the invasion — to eliminate Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction — turned out to be false."
It was one of several stated purposes and it wasn't false--we really thought he was still hiding weapons, because he was acting like somebody hiding weapons. If the general public was angry about this false perception, that's due to malpractice by the media, not due to anything the administration did.
The root cause of the anger wasn't 20 years ago. It began with the self-righteous lefty politics of the 1960s ideological schism. The left told itself that it was on the "right side of history" per race, religion (atheism/Hollywood hedonism), women, Vietnam, guns, abortion, gays, and more. It may have been more right than wrong on many of these topics way back then.
Still, the left's children uncritically adopted the attitudes of their parents and become ever more superficial and hypocritical over time. They grew fat, lazy, and corrupt. They morphed into defending the indefensible during the Clinton era (e.g., Bill's treatment of women, lying, double dealing, Lewinsky, etc.). This also included the tacit permission they gave to Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Woody Allen, and all sorts of sleazeballs in the flock...Donald Trump...? They (along with Europe) turned a blind eye toward the corruption of Russian oil and Chinese manufacturing pollution...not "green" at all.
After that, the 3rd generation left regressed to the mean in ideology. They are no longer "progressives" or technically left wing. They are primal and tribal following a different (hippie/woke) flavor of tradition-bound conservativism.
The right didn't change because it never changes. It gets drug along by the nose as technology forces this. Angry curmudgeons continue to be angry. Still, the long-term right mostly wants to be left alone.
And i thought Sadaam had WMD's because he would never say "I don't have them. Come and take a look. Look anywhere. I don't mind". Instead he was always evasive.
I suspect he may have believed he had them. If the torture-room-owning dictator wants to believe he has tremendous weapons, his minions are going to tell him he most assuredly does have WMDs.
The Left and the MSM went over the cliff of rationality long ago. It's their own fault that I don't believe a single thing they say and their opinion on things? IDGAF
Walker offered a more credible visual appearance of a Hitler caricature. Another stone along the progressive path of liberal license.
Then came the Person of Orange (PoO). LOL
"They did this for their own purposes"
Isn't it pretty to think so, as Hemingway put it. Are you saying that they did it without our knowledge?
As noted here previously, most Americans are neither Republican nor Democrat and think the vast majority of political anger these days is kayfabe.
'Both sidesism' used to be the safe lane in the American Political highway. It made Senator Arlen Specter, Senator Russ Feingold, and who can ever forget, maverick Senator John McCain, household (or near household) names.
Jan6 pipe bomber made sure to put and end to that safe space lane.
Whodathunkit that moderates could be so violent?
I remember when the US government had major f-ups like JFK’s assassination and loss of Challenger. A “blue-ribbon” panel would be formed and a while later, we would have a report. Not everyone would agree with the report, but it had evidence and a rational person could read it and derive lessons learned.
Does anyone know how a guy managed to sneak a rifle into a casino with lots of ammunition and create the worst mass shooting event on US soil? No. Instead of an explanation, we were told nobody could know what happened. We can come up with CYA excuses for Epstein, Covid, Iraq WMD, etc… but why can’t we know about this mass shooting?
The reluctance to be forthcoming causes distrust.
The isi wanted an army to fight off india thats what they thought the taliban was for of course the likes milt bearden couldnt see what was in front on them
Pakistan was really the foe in afghanistan but because we sllowed them to get nukes
Iraq is still finding WMDs Saddam hid. Not to mention the thousands of tons in bunkers with the UN seal on the door. But the consensus has since become as they were not brand new factory fresh they don't count. Not real WMDs.
(Side note: There is a school of thought with some evidence that the war had more to do with making sure Saddam's sons did not get a chance to take daddy out and assume power . Nobody wanted to deal with that.)
The real tragedy of the Iraq war was the willful blind spot, the idiotic delusion of the West that if you take out a tribal strongman all the tribes will want to meld together into one big happy, fairy tale liberal democracy. What we got was a millennia of resentments and grievances breaking out into an orgy of blood with the outside Persian tribe happily stirring the pot by supplying weapons to every tribe. ( Which they have only recently been partially dissuaded from doing. By a temporary alliance of Arabic tribes with the Jewish tribe.)
My entire lifetime has been a litany of tribal wars and bloodbaths. Congo, Rwanda, Somalia, a dozen more in Africa alone. The Balkans, the Mid East, even Ukraine is a tribal war at heart.The only constant has been the insistence of the West that tribalism is an archaic remnant of a barbaric past (caused by white supremacy) and democracy is inevitable.
Which circles me back, the long way around to the essay. The author seems worried by the rise of dislike of the Washington tribe. The attempt to use the Republican and Democrat labels as unified groups is ridiculous. The total refusal to see the obvious splintering of North America and Europe into tribes (homegrown and imported) is darkly amusing. I would put the BLM/Antifa alliance riots as the first open tribal battle in the US. The desperate pandering of the old guard Democrats to the new extremists is as predictable as it is doomed. The refusal of the black and Hispanic tribes to vote for Hillary in the same numbers as for Obama led to the inevitable rise of a Mamdami.
If you have a sufficiently black sense of humor watching the partial shut off of the fraud spigot in Minnesota leading to the election of a white guy mayor because the different Somalian tribes are fighting for the remaining spoils is amusing.
I'm feeling dark today but that essay was whistling on the way to the graveyard.
Mainstream Dems has been doing this shit for while now but they shit their pants about getting the finger or being cal k ed a retard too. FTP.
Except they already have a pajama boy mayor you mean a sensible one
The byzantine corners of crazy like michael moore endorsing the islamic state in iraq
Tim @ 11:16, there was no left wing connection to Kirk or shooting off the little hangy down part (Fetus on Gunsmoke humor) of Trump’s ear. You sound a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
On Scott Walker, I can’t think but how he got punked from a prank caller impersonating one of the Koch brothers. Walker even admitted the conquer and divide plan. They’ve been doing this for years, getting the Basket of Gulibles all riled up that the other side is against them.
Trump gets this. His Basket doesn’t and that’s what mainly allows it to work.
"But it turns out our goal was to get in a war and then lose it."
Our goal was to win a war and be welcomed as liberators.
When that didn't happen we learned there was no Plan B.
The 2000 Election first signaled the U.S. demise. That Fortunate Son Election was the Burning Bush that the United States was a joke
"Sydney said...
. It sometimes seemed that the regulations were made just so someone somewhere could justify the existence of their job."
LOL. Sounds like small construction, plumbing, elec. company. Inspectors must find something "wrong" to prove their worth.
Political Junkie said...
Achilles at 1013 - Your worst take ever. "But it turns out our goal was to start a war and then lose it". That is Kak and Inga level nuttiness, just from an R or C. Bravo!
I was there.
Hundreds of missions.
One thing I guarantee you is that neither Bush nor Obama wanted to actually win in either country.
We could have easily destroyed our enemies. We knew where they were.
They would not let us do it.
Narr said...
Achilles@1013, what did you think the plan for Iraq should have been? What did you understand it to be, and what did you think was at stake?
The goal in our minds was to kill radical islamists and make it so nobody else would want to be one ever again. Maybe even stop fgm and some of the other backwards crap.
We got religion of peace bullshit instead.
Ward Cleaver… you people tried to hide Dementia Joe Biden’s decrepit condition, telling lie after lie when quizzed about it and looted the US Treasury for his entire, pathetic term. You let illegal aliens in by the millions - including a multitude of military-aged males - through your open border policy. That’s just a few of the “Burn America to the Ground” actions taken.
YOU can STFU now.
A country like egypt but they were not riven by sect as much as iraq
And we have seen the games they played with hamas
Have ya seen what’s happening in Canada lately? It’s not just US angst…
Jay said...
“Iraq is still finding WMDs Saddam hid. Not to mention the thousands of tons in bunkers with the UN seal on the door.”
Don’t forget the ones that were spirited away to Syria and Assad used in the civil war there.
Ronald Ward - is it your contention that the Butler shooter was AIMING for Trump's earlobe?
I don't cuss people out here, but your comment deserves it. He narrowly escaped assassination by being SHOT IN THE HEAD and all you can think to do is minimize the danger and claim, without evidence, that the shooter had "no connection to the left."
The real tragedy of the Iraq war was the willful blind spot, the idiotic delusion of the West that if you take out a tribal strongman all the tribes will want to meld together into one big happy, fairy tale liberal democracy.
And I totally fell for it, because I wanted that world. In my defense, I was in the middle of having babies; maybe I would've thought more clearly if not for the hormones.
They had a fake president with real life consequences
There was always going to be a blood feud because the sunniz were a minority yet they lorded over the rest
Obama said he opposed the iraq war but he funded it for two years until one of his mentors al samarrai got popped for corruption both he and maliki seem to agree on this point
Ward’s one of those lying, corksoaking, idiot simps who serve no useful purpose other than provide laughs for the honest, NORMAL folks.
Hes john laroquette in stripes on atherton in ghostbusters
When someone uses the word "bothsidesism", you are dealing with a religious fanatic who thinks that his arguments are Divine Revealed Truth, and no logic, no experience, no evidence, no persuasion could ever convince him that those on the other side are anything but Satan whispering doubt in the ear of the true believer.
And I totally fell for it, because I wanted that world.
Me too. What fools we were.
In my defense, I was in the middle of having babies; maybe I would've thought more clearly if not for the hormones.
I have no such excuse.
I don't cuss people out here, but your comment deserves it. He narrowly escaped assassination by being SHOT IN THE HEAD
Indeed. The trajectory that the shooter intended for the bullet to take at the moment the trigger was pulled would have taken off half of Trump's head, had he not turned slightly at the last possible moment.
The leftist conspiracy theorists arguing otherwise make the QAnon folks sound like models of sober skepticism and good judgment.
Yeah those are really stupid takes
Even more than 20 years later the tikriti regime was kind of black book
Democrat anger started with the 2000 election and has just gotten worse since.
Not quite. The 1994 election - when we took over Congress for the first time in decades - lit the fuse. 2000 just put gasoline on it.
Yeah thats when the freak out
Jamie, I’m not trying to undermine the severity of the assassination attempt.
I’ve made two solid points and I stand by them. The first being the overwhelming hypocrisy of blaming liberals for murders and murder attempts which they had nothing to do with while completely ignoring such incidents directly pointing at Trump supporters and from Trump’s rhetoric. Hell, there even seems to be an acceptance of MAGA murdering liberals.
The other point is that such a mindset has been instilled in MAGA by their programmers.
Again, Trump well understands this.
Looking at things through a long lense lends perspective
It’s interesting how several above are still rejoicing in the manufactured rejoicing from the left over Kirk.
Nobody here is rejoicing over the fact tens of thousands of you leftists celebrated Kirk's murder, you fucking ghoul.
Jim @ 5:04, I think you’re on to something about 1994 as I’ve argued before that it was a turning point. The outrage did crank up but not from the left. Newt introduced a new style of legislating- not reaching across the aisle to work with the opposition party but to demonize and crush them.
Newt too got it.
The bill clinton blamed the gop for oklahoma city
[The Left in the 60's and 70's] may have been more right than wrong on many of these topics way back then.
Let's make a tally, shall we?
race
Right by historic standards, but VERRRRRY late to the party, and went way wrong by 1980 or so (affirmative action, disparate impact, white privilege/guilt, DEI)
religion (atheism/Hollywood hedonism)
By definition, its essence cannot be judged by any objective standards of mortal men. In practice, the loss of the Christian religion in our culture was replaced with much more corrosive and evil substitutes. I no longer wonder how the ancient Canaanites and Carthaginians convinced the mothers of infants to sacrifice them to the idols of the day.
women
Right when it came to married women not being able to own property or teach or open a bank account, or for any woman not to receive the same pay for the same work performed by a man, or to have to provide sexual favors to the boss to get or keep a job.
Again, by 1980 or so (comparable worth, the stubbornly erroneous myth of women earning 70% of a man's pay, "Believe All Women") they were doing more harm than good, and can we ask today's desperately lonely, barren, over-medicated girl-boss spinsters if abortion on demand was worth it?
Vietnam
Right
guns
Wrong
abortion
I'm of two minds on this. From a purely utilitarian perspective, abortion ensures that many babies who would grow up to be a plague on their neighbors would not be born. But it is an evil that stinks in the nostrils of God.
gays
Right that people shouldn't be imprisoned for whom they love, and the government has no business policing bedrooms. Wrong that societal approval such as marriage should be extended to what is fundamentally a disordered and corrosive and dangerous lifestyle.
and more
Let's see:
Environmentalism: Right at first, but went wrong by 2000 at the latest due to their inability to comprehend the laws of diminishing return and unintended consequences and don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Economics: Everything the Left has proposed since FDR, long before the upheavals of the 60's and 70's, has been ruinously expensive and counterproductive, and as for Marxism in particular and collectivism in general, nothing else on this list is remotely as wrong.
Foreign policy: Supinely pathetically wrong since Scoop Jackson died.
Immigration: Catastrophically wrong.
Freedom of speech: Nothing on this list went from more right to more wrong more quickly.
Neither Saddam nor Assad, who supposedly inherited Saddam's WMDs, managed to do more than kill a few thousand of their own people with them.
Like I said, whatever they had couldn't be effectively deployed against modern soldiers, only hapless civilians, and only nearby.
I mean, barrel bombs?
Yes the eye doctor was in fashion (see pelosi and kerry) until he wasnt he was opposing the predecessor of al sharaa who was funded and trained by the saudis
Similarly qaddafi was a terror in part of because of what edwin wilson supplied then he proved theres no point to collaborate with the west
Just one thought Hassaymper, abortion was brought to us by the predominantly conservative Warren E. Burger court in 1973 with 5 Republican appointees voting in favor and 2 Democratic appointees dissenting.
Agreed in part, and dissent in part
Some of scoop jacksons proteges got in over their skies
I think abortion was a deeply antihuman project thats goes back to the old gods
One wonders what was the point of these initiatives
Reagan tried to reverse the epas hegemony thats why they made an example of gorsuchs mother and also watts gaffe
Being of a psychological type that is...unimpressed by the lot of you here, "left" or "right". Also thinking that you have a defective sense of perspective. Your fundamental world view requires massive reordering IMHO.
Just on some minor, incidental matters -
- The EU is a great achievement and it has brought unprecedented prosperity to entire regions of the world, from the third world to the first world in effect. I have seen it personally, you worthless posers. You know nothing.
- You dont care a bit about reality. And you dont care to. That is power plants and pipelines and educational statistics and aerospace market shares and real people where you don't know the language.
- You havent the slightest interest in understanding even your own near fatal problems. One is medical costs. That is far bigger than the "neocon wars". Ignore ignore ignore. Someone maybe should take a hammer to your heads so SOMETHING can enter.
- "globalist" this and that is a cretinous take on anything. You are a product of globalization, at least 500 years worth. I grew up in a globalized world. My first job was a contract with a "globalist" institution, the Asian Developent Bank, a US creation btw, concerned with encouraging FDI in poor countries. My second job was with AIG, a huge US company, founded in Shanghai China in 1919. My grandpas first job was running plantations in British Malaya (it wouldn't be Malaysia for 40 years), for which he had to learn not only English but functional Fukien Chinese, because the workforce were starving coolies from Fukien, absolute foreigners in Malaya. My uncle worked all his life in Valencia for Ford (the US car company) Spain. There has been US FDI flowing out, and Euro FDI that, btw, built your industrial plant, your railroads, roads and New York City in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
None of this is new. Heck, as noted you are the products of globalism, European peasants who relocated themselves across half the world just like my grandpa, or his starving coolies. It IS one world, and has been, no matter how much you close your ears and yell. Change, churn is constant, deal.
Well the ones who exported their industry overseas the ngos who interfere in overseas culture the folks like amnesty or extinction rebellion those are the globalists in question
People have been "exporting their industry" overseas since the modern world began. Russia has been importing factories worth of engineers from Britain, France, Germany, Italy since Peter the Great. IBM "exported" a tabulating machine factory to Germany in the 1930s, and Kodak "outsourced" camera manufacture to Germany in the 1920s. Look up Kodak Retinas and Nagel Werke. Andrew Carnegie was financed by British banks.
Henry ford for example knew a living wage made it possible for his workers to buy his products but this brand of globalism has made things more problematic
Finance and other services are necessary but industrh was key to the nation winning its wars and when the latter is increasingly controlled by a foreign power
I guess the busybody types that meddle into things that they shouldnt mostly lefties who unravel native cultures
"Henry ford for example knew a living wage made it possible for his workers to buy his products..."
Workers at McDonalds can buy their hamburgers. Could the engineers at Boeing buy 737s?
It was the key to the development of detroit and dearborn among others
There as an indian summer when they were preeminent then the faced competition
And chicagos meat packing district and new yorks garment district
On the other front some might wonder what benefit was 20 years of war was for the average soldier as opposed to those princes and dukes who reaped the rewards this applies on both sides of the atlantic
"The EU is a great achievement and it has brought unprecedented prosperity to entire regions of the world, from the third world to the first world in effect. I have seen it personally, you worthless posers. You know nothing."
The EU didn't make Europe rich, Europe was "first world" before the EU. In any case, all that was needed was a European-wide Customs union. All the superstructure of the EU "Government" with its unelected beaurocrats (sic) has been a negative.
The free-flow of citizens into the EU (And across the EU) = disaster. Has been a disaster. I don't even "one currency" has improved things. The free trade in goods and a united tarriff against the rest of the world is all that mattered.
And nobody gives a fuck about your attitude of superiority about anything. Tell us your real name if you're so "superior".
“- The EU is a great achievement and it has brought unprecedented prosperity to entire regions of the world, from the third world to the first world in effect”
Enjoy it while you can, buwaya. I’ll save your comment for a review in 5 years.
We’ll see if the arrogance stands the test of time. Five years should be more than enough.
Fucking unsolicited advice from socialist EU.
RCOCEAN and Iman - get stuffed shitheads.
Enjoy your holiday season, buwaya!
I must say, I did not have "buwaya vigorously defending the EU" on my bingo card today. (I wonder where the real buwaya is; I hope they are treating him okay.)
"Just one thought Hassaymper, abortion was brought to us by the predominantly conservative Warren E. Burger court in 1973 with 5 Republican appointees voting in favor and 2 Democratic appointees dissenting."
LOL! First, William Rehnquist was appointed by Nixon, so the dissent was one Democrat appointee and one Republican appointee. Second, while the Burger court was more conservative than the Warren court, it was far more liberal than the court has been the last 20 years- it was, in fact, very liberal/progressive by historical standards. That you don't know this doesn't speak well of you, Ronald.
In total, Eisenhower's and Nixon's 6 total appointees turned out to have exactly one strong conservative justice by case record (Rehnquist), one right of center justice (Burger), two slightly left of center justices (Powell and Stewart), one well left of center justice (Blackmun by the mid 70s), and one extremely far left justice (Brennan). So, Roe v Wade was, ideologically speaking 6 liberals plus one conservative vs 2 conservatives- not a conservative court at all, Ronald. But, then I am not at all surprised that you don't know the ideology of a justice can't always be predicted by which party's president appointed them- you just saw GOP presidents appointed 6 of the 9 and Democrats appointed the other three and just assumed the court was predominantly conservative. You probably don't even know that the only very conservative on the court, Rehnquist, often was the only dissent on politically charged issues during his first 10 years on the court and you couldn't even figure out who appointed him.
Plus 1 for Howard's comment and Professor Drout's.
Yancey, I stand corrected on Rehnquist.
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