१ नोव्हेंबर, २०२५

"If transgender identity were an innate trait, like left-handedness, we would expect identification rates to rise at first when it became socially acceptable..."

"... then plateau and remain stable at a fixed level. If the phenomenon were instead driven by social contagion, we might expect a boom-and-bust pattern: a spike followed by a rapid decline once the social forces driving it weaken. Recent data offer a mixed picture.... The overwhelming majority of those driving the trans craze fall into the 'nonbinary' category -- adopting identities which are said to be neither, both, or somewhere between male and female. These include labels such as 'demiboy,' 'genderfluid' or 'two-spirit.' These are social identities, not biological ones. Unlike left- or right-handedness, which describe objectively measurable traits, 'nonbinary' identities have no anatomical or physiological referent. They are conceptual, political and responsive to cultural trends.... The social-contagion hypothesis was never hateful. It was purely descriptive: a recognition that social and cultural factors shape human behavior...."

I'm reading "Evidence Backs the Transgender Social-Contagion Hypothesis" by Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist, in The Wall Street Journal.

११५ टिप्पण्या:

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

I've deleted all the comments so far. The columnist is writing about the difference between inborn traits and the things we get from culture — nature vs. nurture. Please stay on topic, avoid repeating general observations that you've said before elsewhere and avoid insults. This is intended for an intelligent and respectful conversation.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

It is very hard to comment on this without being snarky. The "social contagion" aspect of the recent trans phenomenon has been blatantly obvious to any sentient and unbiased observer.
Kudos to Dr. Wright, who is practicing actual science, not the "Science" which enlightened homes "believe in."

tcrosse म्हणाले...

Dr. Az Hakeem is a British psychotherapist who has specialized in the treatment of gender dysphoria for several decades, and has filled two books with his findings. He has found several different sources and types of gender dysphoria. Social contagion is one of them.

tim maguire म्हणाले...

Both things are happening. For a while, trans has been a fad, being embraced by many non-trans people for social reasons. Now that the fad is wearing off, trans identification is going down. Give it a few more years and we should finally start to get some reliable numbers about how common it is.

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

“ Unlike left- or right-handedness, which describe objectively measurable traits, 'nonbinary' identities have no anatomical or physiological referent. They are conceptual, political and responsive to cultural trends.... ”

Okay, Ann. Transgender identity is something that is a cultural trend amongst people who have weak minds and are susceptible to fads.

n.n म्हणाले...

The transgender spectrum includes homosexuals and simulants.

Homosexuals transition through environmental corruption as fetuses or grooming . Simulants (e.g. transsocials, misogynists, etc) are either the product of temporary confusion or dissatisfaction, homosexuals embracing their bigendered identity, rebels seeking attention, or forward-looking profit centers. Think planned parenthood as a model of religious Choice and social contagion.

Wince म्हणाले...

If the phenomenon were instead driven by social contagion, we might expect a boom-and-bust pattern: a spike followed by a rapid decline once the social forces driving it weaken.

Intersectionality at the time was like a Gold Rush, promising influence, power and wealth to those who claimed or espoused it. There was tremendous incentive to appropriate a path at the intersection, on both the demand and supply sides of the emergent spoils system.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Does he point out the obvious truth or does he hide from it?

The Transgender social contagion was driven by angry selfish bitter over educated white women who used their kids as tools to gain social capital with many of these awful women turning their kids into eunuchs to grant themselves more social status with their peers.

Turning your child into a eunuch for your own self gratification is worse that raping your child.

Our society needs to bring back stocks and stoning.

Christopher B म्हणाले...

I'd say this is a good marker that we've reached, and maybe passed, peak trans. The excerpt sounds very much like the typical 'mistakes were made by people who only had the best of intentions' explainers that follow really ghastly events.

Howard म्हणाले...

Note to Althouse, I know you don't like unnecessary carriage returns, but Bob put them there for a reason. Anyhow, the last line is one of my favorite snippets of common Sense practical philosophy:

Look out kid

Don’t matter what you did

Walk on your tiptoes

Don’t try “No-Doz”

Better stay away from those

That carry around a fire hose

Keep a clean nose

Watch the plain clothes

You don’t need a weatherman

To know which way the wind blows

ChrisSchuon म्हणाले...

It was obviously social contagion when "friend groups" of high school girls would all suddenly claim they were trans or non-binary, and when pre-pubescent kids would claim the same thing. My wife, who is a pediatrician, also noticed that it was mostly white girls, and virtually never black girls, who claimed to be trans or non-binary.

Derve म्हणाले...

I've deleted all the comments so far. The columnist is writing about the difference between inborn traits and the things we get from culture — nature vs. nurture. Please stay on topic, avoid repeating general observations that you've said before elsewhere and avoid insults. This is intended for an intelligent and respectful conversation.
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lolol.
"You'll never find your gold on a sandy beach
You'll never drill for oil on a city street
I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain't no Coup de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box..."
~Meatloaf

Hey Skipper म्हणाले...

Abigail Shrier convincingly covered this in her book “Irreversible Damage” almost six years ago.

Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters is a 2020 book by Abigail Shrier, published by Regnery Publishing, which endorses the controversial concept of rapid-onset gender dysphoria. ROGD is not recognized as a medical diagnosis by any major professional institution nor is it backed by credible scientific evidence. Shrier states that there was a "sudden, severe spike in transgender identification among adolescent girls" in the 2010s, referring to teenagers assigned female at birth. Wikipedia

In case anyone needs further proof that Wikipedia is sucktastic.

Jamie म्हणाले...

Does this observation - that social contagion theory was always just descriptive, not hateful (not proscriptive, really, although Shreier* wanted a return to watchful waiting, I think) - finally allow us to take another look at how the concept of "race" is used by different cohorts?

* I hope I'm working her name right. Apologies if not.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

"It is very hard to comment on this without being snarky...."

Why do you want to alienate people you need to persuade? If it's so obvious, put together and articulate and respectful pitch and act like you care about them. Remember the concept "Be like Charlie"? Or is that yesterday's news?

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

An awful lot of what we care about happens by "social contagion" — notably religion and politics. It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!

Eric the Fruit Bat म्हणाले...

The social-contagion hypothesis was never hateful. It was purely descriptive: a recognition that social and cultural factors shape human behavior...."

Well, the human behavior would be making the declaration your gender is different from your sex. Nothing controversial there. But don't these people claim they have some sort of sense by which they feel or know their gender and it's different from their sex?

I freely admit I don't understand that. I have no such sense, nor does anyone I've asked. But then again, I don't understand how someone can credibly claim they feel or know they have a soul that goes to heaven. Best I can gather, sensible people take on faith, if at all.

And now we're back to social and cultural factors shape human behavior.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

The whole subject is very circular. In prison some people act more gay, and probably stop when they get out. GWAS studies have not found a gay gene but hormones change the expression of genes. Kids have fads that are done to cohere and rebel. I can’t see that scientific practice in the subject has grown beyond the biases of the researchers yet.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

“ An awful lot of what we care about happens by "social contagion" — notably religion and politics. It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!”

I could easily be convinced that the gay trans issue is one of cultural and style choice, but I don’t think that would satisfy the adherents. From what I read they want gayness to be a hard pre-determined anatomical characteristic. Perhaps that has changed.

Mr. D म्हणाले...

I'm left-handed; the only way you'd know is if you observed me as I go about my business, or if I told you. Most of what we see now in matters sexual concerns what we tell others, but also what we tell ourselves. And in life, you always have to watch out for unreliable narrators.

n.n म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
n.n म्हणाले...

Religion is a model for behavior. Politics is a model for consensus.

n.n म्हणाले...

So, we can't have a gay old time, perhaps on the island of Lesbos, while transitioning the warm waters of the Mediterranean?

n.n म्हणाले...

Gender refers to sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine and feminine. Trans indicates a state or process of divergence. Fetishes are equivocal and indifferent to social consensus, some more tolerable than others, but not worth celebrating.

baghdadbob म्हणाले...

Innate like left-handedness? Does that mean immutable too? Well, I do recall parents "training" their left-handed kids to be right-handed, so as not to be outcasts. Kinda like "conversion therapy."

n.n म्हणाले...

Simulants who receive "gender affirmation therapy" are permanently sexually dysfunctional with forward-looking maintenance costs and exhibit cognitive dissonance that is often a first-order forcing of entertaining abortive ideation of selfie or others.

Christopher B म्हणाले...

An awful lot of what we care about happens by "social contagion" — notably religion and politics. It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!

Something I had thought about putting in my prior comment was how a rather slippery definition of 'cultural' is being used. A fad is a phenomenon that happens in a culture but is it really what most people mean when they say 'culture'? Is a relatively small group of people pushing for the idea that gender is fluid really 'nurture'? We've had long established concepts of 'tomboys' and 'sissies' but those were within an otherwise stable definition of gender aligned with sex, and certainly without much suggestion that either was so outside the norms of human variation as to require medical intervention until recently.

And if you're gonna call a fairly temporary phenomenon 'culture' and say it can't be sick, may I direct your attention to the discussion occurring one post up regarding the remnants of a certain 'social contagion' that most people regard as pretty sick?

Bob B म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
An awful lot of what we care about happens by "social contagion" — notably religion and politics. It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!

Saying boys are girls is fake. Lopping off body parts of children is sick.

n.n म्हणाले...

Let the adult, with informed consent, and personal capital, choose to simulate a divergent, nonperforming gender with forward-looking maintenance.

Leland म्हणाले...

I think this is on topic: "Brünisholz is reportedly about to start a 10-day prison stint due to his voicing skepticism about claims that skeletons are transgender."

Randomizer म्हणाले...

Within hours, colleagues denounced me as a “transphobic” bigot.

The author of the article, Colin Wright, is an evolutionary biologist. He doesn't say what his colleagues are, but they were not acting as scientists.

Scientists are supposed to argue with data. This sounds so much like the supporters of Aryan Physics arguing with Einstein about Jew Physics.

Derve म्हणाले...

You're not this stupid, ann.
Yes, plenty of kids -- upperclass girls with zero parental control --claimed to be something they were not. Do we stop medical treatment for childhood cancer because your child lied and claims/faked cancer? No we don't. We ask you to get to know your children, and do what is in their best interests. For some gender dysphoric kids, this involves mental health/and medical treatment (mental health is medical treatment, boomers) including hormonal interventions. If you permit your child to have a mastectomy under 18 for whatever reason (plenty of overweight boys and girls have them), that's on you if the kid turns out not to "need" the procedure afterall. Nobody's cutting off penises either...

You're too smart to fall for the "transgenderism is socially accepted now" line, even living in Madison.

Of COURSE, people are retreating to the closet in this environment when people like you (asshats) are constantly mocking them and telling them they are not real. Maybe some day, we WILL run the experiment you want... and start counting the trans people throughout history. But now, plenty of kids are in the closet still b/c of the harassment, parental hate, and LACK of acceptance, not to mention the outright bans in some states and calls to "convert" them via bad mental-health treatment...

Just like they did to homosexuals. You let your husbands bigoted thought direct your non-acceptance of trans people. But they're there... more stereotyped and hated than your poor victimized Jews, your preferred "hated" group.

Shame on you for being this publicly stupid, ann.

Derve म्हणाले...

Saying boys are girls is fake
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Nobody's saying that.
They're saying you can't identify some boys -- or girls -- just by their outer body parts. You guys don't even claim that. See Caster Semanya. God is a wonderful creator. He used many molds... some of you stuck in the two basic models just don't get that there indeed are "exceptions". Not better, just different than you...

No go fix up your makeup ladies and be submissive to your men, and man up fellas, and get out there hunting already! lol

Derve म्हणाले...

n.n said...
Simulants who receive "gender affirmation therapy" are permanently sexually dysfunctional
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lololol. If only you binary losers knew...

Derve म्हणाले...

tcrosse said...
Dr. Az Hakeem is a British psychotherapist who has specialized in the treatment of gender dysphoria for several decades, and has filled two books with his findings. He has found several different sources and types of gender dysphoria. Social contagion is one of them.
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I agree with these findings.
Plus, I think the NCAA erred initially -- but has corrected itself -- of whether "good sportsmanship" meant Lea Thomas should have been swimming with the gals so early into her late-in-life treatment. They got it wrong, and inflamed the nation of haters.

Does that mean that trans children who transition in elementary school don't get to play sports with their peers? IS there a real disadvantage at that age, or nothing more than some kids are more athletic than others in bodies that develop on different timetables?

Don't throw out the babies because you hate the dirty bathwater... Science rocks. And God gave us a lot of options to help us in teh bodies we are in. If you're born w/a medical condition, you don't have to die; you can get medical help and God would want that... Keep on believing!

Larry J म्हणाले...

tim maguire said...
“Both things are happening. For a while, trans has been a fad, being embraced by many non-trans people for social reasons. Now that the fad is wearing off, trans identification is going down. Give it a few more years and we should finally start to get some reliable numbers about how common it is.”

I don’t think we have to wait to get those reliable numbers. Transition and transsexualism has been around for a long time. I used to have a book that was a collection of the military Stars and Stripes newspaper from WWII. One article from 1945 was about a discharged Army soldier who transitioned. If you remember the “Switched On Bach” music from the 1970s, the musician Walter Carlos transitioned to become Wendy Carlos sometime in that decade. Also, when I arrived in Colorado in late 1985, I learned of a transition practice in Trinidad that had been in business for a long time. It was called the Sex Change Capitol of America at the time.

Based on these things, I think we can find out what the real numbers describing how common transitioning was before social contagion became a factor. My guess is the true percentage of true gender dysphoria patients who actually undergo hormonal and surgical procedures is a tiny fraction of 1%.

Derve म्हणाले...

Mr. D said...
I'm left-handed; the only way you'd know is if you observed me as I go about my business, or if I told you.
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= transpeople over the ages.
They are "telling on" themselves now, as they step forward to access medical care. YOu wouldn't go through life with a right-handed scissors b/c you could not speak up for yourself and get what you needed to operate in a world where 95percent of others make out just fine with a right-handed pair, right?

Derve म्हणाले...

In plants -- if you have a male and a female -- they can CHANGE genders... Why? Primarily because they are stressed, when you move them from indoors to plant them outside, say. Or if a storm comes, you might just visit a patch and wa-la!, your virgin/seedless female is now a pollen-producing male. We don't know why, but science tells us this can happen... We're not plants, but... why are so many children born into stress (Holocaust parents, say) sexually diverse and transgender?

Solve that and you can maybe keep the numbers down... but it's like blindness in the Bible. It's not a punishment from God, not something the parents did, and sometimes, we never know why some are blind and some are not...

Ronald J. Ward म्हणाले...

We’ve had transgender people for many years, but social visibility has changed. When stigma or punishment is lifted, we often see a rise in identification — just as we did when we stopped forcing left-handed kids to write with their right hand.

What might look like “social contagion” could just as easily be the natural result of people finally feeling safe to be open.

It’s also hard to ignore how political narratives have amplified the issue — not necessarily causing the phenomenon, but using it as a wedge or distraction. It’s a good reminder of how culture, fear, and power often overlap when a society faces change.

Derve म्हणाले...

My guess is the true percentage of true gender dysphoria patients who actually undergo hormonal and surgical procedures is a tiny fraction of 1%.
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You know you can be transgender and never ever access hormonal or surgical treatments, right? Doesn't make you any less than who you are. Brain science has more to do with this than fudging the outside parts, but sadly today, that is often the only way to "pass" as who you are... hth!

Derve म्हणाले...

(You should have run this one on Halloween, prof)

Peachy म्हणाले...

when your 6 year old comes home and tells you they are a "THEY-THEM" - that is the influence of rot in our public school system. leftist rot.

Derve म्हणाले...

We've had long established concepts of 'tomboys' and 'sissies' but those were within an otherwise stable definition of gender aligned with sex, and certainly without much suggestion that either was so outside the norms of human variation as to require medical intervention until recently.
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Used to have a lot more queer bashings, runaways/throwaways, and suicides too. You want to return to the medical science of yesteryear? lol. Silly boomers...

Derve म्हणाले...

Peachy said...
when your 6 year old comes home and tells you they are a "THEY-THEM" - that is the influence of rot in our public school system. leftist rot.
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What of the children too early to go to school and not in daycare who start exhibiting "opposite sex" traits early in life, and tell you who they are, without any prodding or social influence?

Believe your kid? Get them help? Or at the very least, tolerate them and tell them "when you're not under my roof (18), you can do what you like"... and they do?

Still faking it for attention? Know your children and act in their best interests. Don't worry about other families. You know when you hear Johnny down the block has childhood leukemia, say, and you and the wife say, "God bless the family. Glad those are not our troubles to deal with?" That's an acceptable attitude...

Peachy म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Peachy म्हणाले...

"social contagion" - Not standard influences.

In this case the "social contagion" is something harmful.
Over-sexualizing children. Harmful.

slightly off topic - tis the season for horror movies and the ads on TV promoting them. Anyone else notice all the latest horror flicks involve terrorizing children. To me - abusing children as entertainment, is another "social contagion" - and it comes from leftwing hollywood - much of the time.

Derve म्हणाले...

What might look like “social contagion” could just as easily be the natural result of people finally feeling safe to be open.

It’s also hard to ignore how political narratives have amplified the issue — not necessarily causing the phenomenon, but using it as a wedge or distraction. It’s a good reminder of how culture, fear, and power often overlap when a society faces change.
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That's why it kills me to see an allegedly educated woman like ann keep on stirring the pot -- again and again and again -- giving outsized attention to this matter because... it brings her tips? Makes her politically relevant?

Look to see if its transgender people themselves -- or grifters using trans people for their own ends -- who want to continually push this in your face, "discuss" and debate, something that is inherently person and is causing great harm to a lot of people...

Looking at you too, Begley. Get a life? Go make money and spend it... you have enough.

Derve म्हणाले...

Over-sexualizing children. Harmful.

slightly off topic - tis the season for horror movies and the ads on TV promoting them. Anyone else notice all the latest horror flicks involve terrorizing children. To me - abusing children as entertainment, is another "social contagion" - and it comes from leftwing hollywood - much of the time.
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Nope. Transchidren are not even conscious of "sex". That's what adults do. This is about identity, who you are, what you do, who you hang with, how you act and present...

It's a hard-wired brain thing. Sometimes the exterior doesn't match the interior. You can't "break" every kid ... ask me how I know?

Derve म्हणाले...

slightly off topic - tis the season for horror movies and the ads on TV promoting them. Anyone else notice all the latest horror flicks involve terrorizing children. To me - abusing children as entertainment, is another "social contagion" - and it comes from leftwing hollywood - much of the time.
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Somebody wasn't around in the 1970s. Kids really WERE sexualized and terrorized to entertain the adults. Go watch some of what passed as entertainment then, and tell me kids are not better protected today...

Derve म्हणाले...

"and I put myself down to the sound of old TRex...
well who's next?"

Derve म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
"It is very hard to comment on this without being snarky...."

Why do you want to alienate people you need to persuade? If it's so obvious, put together and articulate and respectful pitch and act like you care about them. Remember the concept "Be like Charlie"? Or is that yesterday's news?
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Charlie Kirk was an uneducated racist who hid behind religion. If he hadn't been publicly assassinated (to send a message???), you would not be putting him up for sainthood, ann. Really.

Derve म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
I've deleted all the comments so far
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Ann "when it gets too hot in the kitchen, I toss everything cooking in the pans..." Althouse.

Derve म्हणाले...

. Transgender identity is something that is a cultural trend amongst people who have weak minds
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YOu wouldn't last one day in a transperson's body, mr. weak.

Derve म्हणाले...

We done here then?

Derve म्हणाले...

God Loves All His Children...
he don't make no mistakes.

Some of you want to be God, but you're not, you will one day learn...

Grundoon म्हणाले...

Sinister, gauche, left-handed compliment, sheep on the right and goats on the left, everything manufactured thing having the controls on the right (except toilets)...the left-handed can experience a dozen micro-agressions before lunch.

TosaGuy म्हणाले...

Regarding this issue, “don’t be so open-minded that your brains fall out” best describes how society should treat this fad engined by “influences” and AWFL birthing people.

Derve म्हणाले...

TosaGuy said...
Regarding this issue, “don’t be so open-minded that your brains fall out” best describes how society should treat this fad engined by “influences” and AWFL birthing people.
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How'd that work when you tried to crush homosexuals to eliminate them because of course they don't exist... Just deviants or fakers. Toss em out, not fit to be part of our society...

Some of you just don't see it. Ann "I love my gay sons!" Althouse has been blinded by her current husband's hoosier hate on this one... Some science mind.

Derve म्हणाले...

TosaGuy said...
Regarding this issue, “don’t be so open-minded that your brains fall out” best describes how society should treat this fad engined by “influences” and AWFL birthing people.
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The Right hates the left today. Refuses to even work together with 'em. Telling.

Derve म्हणाले...

It's good to spew publicly... now we can see who you are, all of you, and what we're up against. Not much, it seems... ;-)

Derve म्हणाले...

Well, the human behavior would be making the declaration your gender is different from your sex. Nothing controversial there. But don't these people claim they have some sort of sense by which they feel or know their gender and it's different from their sex?
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Close... they know their SEX. In their brains, they know. It just does not match the outer physical presentation. Trans men are me, and align the body to match that. Trans women are women, and do the same. Some do, rather, some don't. Doesn't change the "true" sex they were born with...

It's not about the outer genitals. Haven't you read any medical literature if you're going to take such firm stances?

Fred Drinkwater म्हणाले...

" political narratives have amplified the issue"

Such banal language to describe chemical castration of minors, surgical mutilations, "cancelling", and even jail terms.

Derve म्हणाले...

ie/ Doctors can tell someone again and again, "you're fine... I can't find anything wrong with you..." but people know their bodies. Turns out, you DID have cancer, and it went undetected by the docs until their tests confirmed it. Stick with what you know and listen to your body....
A LOT of supposedly smart people in positions of authority can tell you otherwise, but if you know, you know...

Good luck everyone.

Derve म्हणाले...

Fred Drinkwater said...
" political narratives have amplified the issue"

Such banal language to describe chemical castration of minors, surgical mutilations, "cancelling", and even jail terms.
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Boo hoo. SOme of you always want to play the victim...
Why is that? Something inherent, in your genes maybe? *wink*

Derve म्हणाले...

ONe Size Fits All.
Put this on. If it doesn't fit, give it time...
We'll make it fit.


lol. The times they are a changin...

Ronald J. Ward म्हणाले...

Fred @ 10:18 AM, https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/welcome-to-your-reckoning?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwY2xjawNzCAtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHphyaGHBILbx8dxvpzFobGfFyQeQjGsKUiw2pAi72pmZuP3CkmSNBO5ikNk3_aem_kBUQ7suy89XjmGgw5c3PEA

Derve म्हणाले...


Our society needs to bring back stocks and stoning.
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Or normalize "fathers" in the home...
Being raised without any masculinity shows.

Derve म्हणाले...

How many here have actually talked to a transperson in real life? About... anything? Maybe you did, but didn't even know it. lol

Derve म्हणाले...

This resembles when the white elites used to sit around and discuss The Negro Problem.

Derve म्हणाले...

"God make bees
bees make honey
God make man
man make money..."
~Shaggy

Talk about social contagion!

Ice Nine म्हणाले...

>These include labels such as 'demiboy,' 'genderfluid' or 'two-spirit.' <

I'm thinking maybe they employ the same guys who sit around and dream up these cockamamie new drug names in the pharma commercials.

Shouting Thomas म्हणाले...

Every generation thinks it invented sex.

“We’re too hip to screw like our parents!”

Hey Skipper म्हणाले...

Ronald J. Ward said...
What might look like “social contagion” could just as easily be the natural result of people finally feeling safe to be open.


Ersatzgenderism became much more acceptable for everyone, yet the huge increase has been among young women, likely pushed in at least some cases by mothers with Munchausen by Proxy.

In the mid-1980s, I lived in Manhattan Beach, just a few blocks from the McMartin Pre-School. The satanic rituals social contagion was a hell of a thing seen up close.

This is what AI has to say about mass hysteria/social contagion:

While the historical term "hysteria" was a gender-biased concept, current research suggests women and girls are disproportionately affected by mass psychogenic illness (MPI), or mass hysteria, due to a combination of social conditioning, stress responses, and potentially biological factors. Mass hysteria is considered a collective stress response that can affect any group, but its manifestation is often more pronounced in females, especially adolescents, in a variety of cultural settings.

Yep.

Peachy म्हणाले...

what's going on with the time/date stamps?

Lazarus म्हणाले...

My sophomore English class in high school was devoted to "identity." We were young and unformed and trying to find out who we are, at least according to the teachers. In the years since then, society "solved" young people's identity problems with all kinds of racial, ethnic, gender, and sexual identities. If you're young and unformed and confused, it's only natural to latch on to some identity you heard about from the internet or from your classmates.

Barbara म्हणाले...

Isn't the article just saying that the nomenclature being used is driven by social contagion? Now someone would say they are non-binary, and therefore, in the trans category, where in the past she would have said she was a tomboy girl.

The article is paywalled, so I only saw the intro. Does the article say that people using medical interventions have shown the social contagion pattern, or is it only the language people use that shows this pattern?

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

Can you imagine the despair and anger a woman would feel when she matures and wants children only to realize that can never happen because some adults she trusted as a child destroyed her future and any hope for the family she now wants. I would think that to be just about the most powerful and justified hate a person could have.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent म्हणाले...

“I've deleted all the comments so far. The columnist is writing about the difference between inborn traits and the things we get from culture — nature vs. nurture”

There is, of course, a third space. One that can’t be explained by evolution or anything identifiable in the individual’s life experience, but is nevertheless completely “real” to the individual. My unconquerable aversion to Brussels sprouts is presumably not due to Darwin, mental illness, or my Mom not insisting that I eat them.

That said, it’s abundantly clear that social permission has a lot to do with the trans craze. Fat, dyke-y girls were almost non-existent in my middle-class, suburban, youth. Now there’s zillions of them. Where were they hiding in 1978?

Howard म्हणाले...

The aversion to hydrogen sulfide is evolutionary. That's why they have bred the morning breeze out of brussel sprouts

Howard म्हणाले...

Yes we can all imagine all sorts of obscure little things that could potentially happen in the future to a very small percentage of human beings and then get all worked up about it and post a comment on the blog as a form of virtue signaling with fellow victims of the algorithm mind worm.

Wa St Blogger म्हणाले...

what's going on with the time/date stamps?

My guess is that is nan artifact of iphone submissions. I only see it on my posts if I post from my iPhone rather than a computer.

Derve म्हणाले...

Howard said...
Yes we can all imagine all sorts of obscure little things that could potentially happen in the future to a very small percentage of human beings and then get all worked up about it and post a comment on the blog as a form of virtue signaling with fellow victims of the algorithm mind worm.
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Or we could let it be, and mind our own business.
Somebody tell begley and ann?

Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...

“An awful lot of what we care about happens by "social contagion" — notably religion and politics. It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!”

Let me counter that by pointing out that courts forced the populace to accept homosexuality, after it became fairly well established that physical sexual orientation, esp with males, was primarily hard wired. Hook a guy’s up to sensors, and show them nude photos of good looking guys and gals, and gay guys react to nude guys, straight guys to nude gals, and bisexuals to both.

If a trait is hard wired, then how can the law discriminate against hose with that trait? But the calculation is different when it is a result of social contagion. If transgenderism is a result of such, and does harm (such as sterilization) to children, then banning treatment for children for it maybe in society’s interest.

Derve म्हणाले...

While the historical term "hysteria" was a gender-biased concept, current research suggests women and girls are disproportionately affected by mass psychogenic illness (MPI), or mass hysteria, due to a combination of social conditioning, stress responses, and potentially biological factors. Mass hysteria is considered a collective stress response that can affect any group, but its manifestation is often more pronounced in females, especially adolescents, in a variety of cultural settings.
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Or maybe it's hormones?? Test the children for testosterone and estrogen and see what they naturally produce... You might be surprised everyone is not "normal". Doesn't science matter? Caster Semanya, people... Don't hate on her for being herself. Just... ban her. Lolol. Yeah, that'll fix it!

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Why do you want to alienate people you need to persuade? If it's so obvious, put together and articulate and respectful pitch and act like you care about them. Remember the concept "Be like Charlie"? Or is that yesterday's news?

I am not like Charlie, I am angry and disgusted, and I seriously doubt that any adult who ignored common sense and cast aside the plain obvious truth that many, many kids were and are being manipulated into believing that they were "born in the wrong body" is subject to rational persuasion.

Wa St Blogger म्हणाले...

Not having access to either the article nor the real research (the stuff that was allowed to be done scientifically, rather than the stuff that was done to support a social agenda), it is really hard to have a substantive response to it. At most we can look at meta-data and use our understanding of power structures and typical historical phenomena to opine on what the trans movement "looked like."

And what it looked like was a social contagion, fueled by sympathetic busybodies who took up a banner that they had no expertise nor stake in to champion something that stuck it to the conservatives. It became a political flashpoint and kids were sacrificed at the alter of politics.

Mothers with multiple pre-pubescent transgender children told you that this was not a natural phenomena. Then there is the logical reasoning that a male has no basis of knowledge to "know" he is a female. It is not like he lived both lives for a number of years, understood the inherent differences and then afterwards was transported into a different body and thus knew he was in the wrong one. Like many teens, he probably felt he didn't fit in, so society offered him a solution, and he grabbed onto with the support and compassion of all his advisors telling him how brave and special he was.

And absolutely we should have FIRST determined if it were a real thing before permanently destroying bodies. But we didn't we suppressed and cancelled people who strayed from the official line. That should have been the only clue needed to say this was not natural but socially constructed.

Rusty म्हणाले...

File this under, "Popular delusions".

Lazarus म्हणाले...

what's going on with the time/date stamps?

They are portals into an alternate reality. Click on them and you will read what should have been posted in an ideal speech situation but wasn't in our own rather shabby reality. Either that or they have something to do with the Thurn and Taxis postal system.

narciso म्हणाले...

ah thomas pynchon reference, the world is even decidedly too strange for pynchon now,

Laslo Spatula म्हणाले...

I have heard that a lot of people go left-handed when they are in prison.

When they get out of prison, they opt not to be so left-handed anymore.

I blame the prisons' mashed potatoes.

I am Laslo.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Christopher B said...

I'd say this is a good marker that we've reached, and maybe passed, peak trans. The excerpt sounds very much like the typical 'mistakes were made by people who only had the best of intentions' explainers that follow really ghastly events.

This problem had very little to do with trans people.

The actual driver of all of this has always been angry fat over educated white women.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Howard said...

Yes we can all imagine all sorts of obscure little things that could potentially happen in the future to a very small percentage of human beings and then get all worked up about it and post a comment on the blog as a form of virtue signaling with fellow victims of the algorithm mind worm.

He is right.

The trans issue was never really the problem.

Derve म्हणाले...

The trans issue was never really the problem.
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Let's leave people alone and never bring this up again?

It's really not a political issue, much less a "winning" one. No matter how much you frighten all the big "YouthSports!" people living through their kids... Heck some of those young athletes even end up with permanent injuries that follow them the rest of their lives... require surgery even.

I think we should ban all organized, adult-led YouthSports for that reason. Leave the kids alone!!!


(see what I did there... no, of course you don't. Ann is afraid to let other people defend themseves. She is fighting our battles, and losing badly...)

Derve म्हणाले...

When they are 18, they can decide if they want to put their adult-sized bodies at risk. No parents should be making those decisions for their kids!

What's wrong with my logic?

Derve म्हणाले...

Laslo Spatula said...
I have heard that a lot of people go left-handed when they are in prison.

When they get out of prison, they opt not to be so left-handed anymore.

I blame the prisons' mashed potatoes.

I am Laslo.
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Prison sexx jokes. Oy.
And they say lazlo is one of her favorite sock puppets... a family member practically,

Derve म्हणाले...

Lazarus said...
what's going on with the time/date stamps?

They are portals into an alternate reality. Click on them and you will read what should have been posted in an ideal speech situation but wasn't in our own rather shabby reality. Either that or they have something to do with the Thurn and Taxis postal system.
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Like John the baptist angrily crying out in the wilderness where no one can hear him... until they can. I am not fit to strap the sandals of the ones coming next... Heed my words. #ChangeIsGonnaCome
... and some of you are not the "good guys and gals" due for the rewards you think you have coming for... keeping the discussions going, as you contribute nothing really and provide a public platform for Hate (capital H).

Hit the tip jar on your way out, old men.

tcrosse म्हणाले...

What got Dr. Az Hakeem into the study of gender dysphoria was the common practice a couple decades ago as using surgery as it one-size-fits-all treatment. He found it useful to find out what was going on in the minds of the dysphoric. So he found that gender dysphoria was an umbrella term for a number of different syndromes with different origins.

Derve म्हणाले...

If a trans man has always considered their not-too-ample "breasts" as pecs -- keeping them firm and even muscularly "jiggly" (iykyk), then he won't surgery for his pecs. It's brain thing. You don't have to cut off body parts to qualify as trans. Duh.

Derve म्हणाले...

(you'd lose all nipple sensitivity too... for aethetics? To please someone else so you "pass"? lol. Sounds pretty weak willed and "follow-y" to me... but what do I know?

"Silence, troll. This is MY blog... and I am the resident expert." Your playpen, your party, proffy...

Derve म्हणाले...

Go for 100?

Derve म्हणाले...

(I hope I get a whole chapter in the memoir? lol)

Derve म्हणाले...

Don't threaten to call the cops, either.
I'm not the one with the his-n-her guns...

Achilles म्हणाले...

It looks like Blogger is adding a copy posts periodically that are tagged to the last post submitted to the database

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"... obscure little things..."

It could have been obscure, rare, or even virtually unknown, but that ship has sailed, thanks to the unscientific, illogical, and heartless nature of the trans pushing ghouls.

n.n म्हणाले...

The transgender spectrum is not believed to be an innate expression. Homosexuals may be the product of environmental corruption following the threshold of viability (i.e. six weeks) with nervous system evolution. Bisexuals exhibit both gender and transgender attributes. Simulants are either transitioning through puberty, revealed homosexuals, a product of grooming, or a combination of confusion and dissatisfaction . The problem may stem from divergent impressions a la choosing human rites, Diversity, etc.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

Virtually every major corporation, and government entity has celebrated and accommodated this temporary, seriously dangerous social contagion in a way nothing has ever captured them before, and with little to no basis in fact. It spread as fast and far as Covid-19.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"It's not as though what is culture is fake or sick!”
But often it is. The Aztecs believed the power of 80,000 skulls outside the city helped them somehow. Just one of countless examples of fake, and sick. Their empire lasted less than 100 years.

Off topic: I found this interesting and often surprising:
The University of Oxford Is Older Than the Aztec Empire and Other Facts That Will Change Your Perspective on History

Not Illinois Resident म्हणाले...

Sign of a social trend that is peaked is when college campus trans-identification rates are rapidly declining, while in small Wisconsin city our library is filled by green-haired trans-identified young adults.

narciso म्हणाले...

but Oxford no longer abides by its mission statement

Temujin म्हणाले...

Probably didn't need a study for this.

JAORE म्हणाले...

The expression, "well d'uh" seems particularly relevant here.

Jersey Fled म्हणाले...

Funny how the argument has circled back to the gay gene/difference in brain structure meme that was popular 30 or 40 years ago as an explanation for homosexuality. It died a quiet death. But like a zombie it has risen again re: transsexualism. Old memes never die.

hoyden म्हणाले...

I suspect social contagion perpetrated by those who seek to destroy family and subvert traditional cultural values.

Bunkypotatohead म्हणाले...

If the Internet did not exist, nobody here would know or care about any of this.

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