I like how the wearing of spandex is treated as part of the problem. So much intolerance for self-expression. But obviously, bike riders are a hazard among the pedestrians, especially when the bikes have motors, and the twisty turns that might have slowed down horse-drawn carriages are enticing to take with speed when you're on a bike.
From the comments at the NYT: "I am an avid cyclist, and have logged many thousands of miles all over the city. I commute daily on my bike, ride with traffic in the all boroughs (but SI) and explore New Jersey on the weekends. I have biked on four continents, fought the clogged and narrow roads in big and small cities. What I haven’t done in 10 years is ride in Central Park. Unpleasant, chaotic, and dangerous. E-bikes have made everything worse, but something needs to be done to make the park safe for everyone."
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Share the sidewalk!
“… something needs to be done to make the park safe for everyone." Elect Mamdani, New Yorker, that should do it.
They are silent, but deadly.
There’s a special kind of smugness shared by cyclists and people who make sure you know their pets are “rescues.”
If you want the park clean and orderly, simply require MAGA hats on all visitors.
It's not spandex anyway, it's Lycra.
E-bikes should be renamed. They are only called bikes so they can use the bike lanes, but they are really electric vehicles which should be forced onto the roads with the other EV's.
Rather than running over people on walk paths and sidewalks, they would be forced to recognize their obligation to follow rules of the road, traffic signals, and normal vehicle flow.
I've been an avid cyclist my whole life, but I've notice a shift recently to cyclist being very rude about their use of the road. We all used stay as far out of traffic as possible, and want the cars to pass us unobstructed, but in the last few years, I see a lot people just spread out across the lane and stay there. What has happened to people?
I'm partial to Primalwear jerseys. They contain no Spandex. Some of their shorts may have up to 20% Spandex.
Mostly, it's polyester. But, too much research for a NYT writer.
It's not spandex anyway, it's Lycra.
Frank: You don't even know what they're made from.
George: They are made from lycra-spandex.
Frank: Get out of here! Lycra-spandex?
Estelle: I think they are made from lycra-spandex.
Frank: Wanna bet? How much you wanna bet?
Estelle: I'm not betting!
Frank: Take a look.
Estelle: All right, I'll get a bra.
Frank: I don't know what the big problem is getting a bra?!
George: She doesn't want to get a bra.
Frank: I'm not saying go to the library and read the whole history, but it wouldn't kill you to know a little bit about it.
George: All right, it wouldn't kill me.
Frank: How long it takes to find a bra? What's going on in there? You ask me to get a pair of underwear, I'm back in two seconds...you know about the cup sizes and all? They have different cups.
George: I-I know about the cups.
Frank: You got the A, B, C the D. That's the biggest.
George: I know the D is the biggest. I've based my whole life on knowing that the D is the biggest.
Estelle: Here, here's the bra.
Frank: Let me see it.
Estelle: 100% lycra-spandex.
Frank: Let me see it.
Estelle: I told you. Here, think you know everything?
Frank: Hmm, that's surprising. All right, what else? You got the cups in the front, two loops in the back. All right, a guess that's about it.
George: I got it. Cups in the front, loops in the back.
There's a nice article by I think P J O'Rourke somewhere about walking a Central Park jogging trail smoking an area-clearing cigar.
I'm sure this is mild compared to places like Vietnam, which don't seem to have any road rules or limits, and it's everywhere there.
people who make sure you know their pets are “rescues.”
Is the person self-evidently law-abiding, and the dog somewhat pitbull-like? That's a rescue and the person doesn't have to say a word.
The people who want to tell you about it are the ones who got their dogs from breed rescue organizations, in my experience - greyhound rescue, beagle rescue, I've heard of a dachshund rescue though I have no idea why it would exist. You never heard about a golden rescue, though. Or an anything doodle rescue.
E-bikes should be renamed. They are only called bikes so they can use the bike lanes, but they are really electric vehicles which should be forced onto the roads with the other EV's.
Yes, how are they not mopeds?
I like how the wearing of spandex is treated as part of the problem. So much intolerance for self-expression.
As a longtime cyclist, there is an unfortunate correlation between spandex and jackassery. When I first got back into cycling 18 or so years ago, I made sure to wear looser-fitting, more casual clothes and still do, to avoid being associated with those maniacs.
It's not a 100% coorrelation of course.
Meanwhile my favorite haunt is a long, paved, rail-to-trail where eBikes have become more common. It's a real hazard. Bike-to-bike crashes can do plenty of damage (especially head-to-head on a trail that's quite narrow), but that's nothing compared to the weight and speed of the eBikes. I'm unsure of the jackassery quotient there, but I almost got run over by one coming up behind me, way over the alleged speed limit, honking his horn that was a full-blown three-part disharmony like a car's rather than the ding-ding or "passing left" that such trails are made for.
Speaking of...
did you ever order those special underpants for meade the amazon algorithm was displaying? tee hee
I bike a bit and can acknowledge that e bikes [and scooters] are annoying to regular cyclists and pedestrians on paths because they are too fast as well as annoying to street traffic because they their speed makes many think they can take whole lanes like motorcycles. But only a few are as skilled as motorcyclists.
Christopher said...there is an unfortunate correlation between spandex and jackassery
That was my reaction too—the spandex indicates a category of cyclist. The racers. They ride too fast on shared roads and get mad if you get in their way.
The big and recent problem is food delivery people on electric bikes. They’re reckless because time is money and their bikes are not bicycles at all. They are low-powered motorcycles.
Spandex IS part of the problem. 98% of the people wearing it, shouldn't.
Delivery people usually have one eye on their phone so their attention is not on the road.
One thing I've noticed about hard-core bike-riders. They disdainfully eschew fenders/mudguards , causing a filthy black stripe to form on their backs and backsides when traveling on a rainy street. Apparently that stripe proudly proclaims, "Look at me! I'm a serious cyclist!"
I know you are into throwing out bleeding, faux rage for the pleasure of your readers, but how does the article present "spandex-clad" as a problem? It's just descriptive.
I live in a small airbnb-infested town. e-bikes are very annoying and sometimes frightful; I recently witnessed a near head-end between an ebike and truck: the bike made a quick left from the left lane into a left lane filled up by the downhill truck
An e-bike is a motorcycle. I'm not a curmudgeon, I like e-bikes, I want one, but it's just a fact.
Why are "e-bikes" allowed to use sidewalks? All motorized vehicles are supposed to avoid sidewalks.
"tim maguire said...
Delivery people usually have one eye on their phone so their attention is not on the road."
My two sisters just back from a trip to Spain. On the day before they were to leave they were coming back from lunch, and my older sister was looking at her phone for directions back to where they were staying. She tripped over something on the sidewalk and face planted. They had to stay an extra day for here to get stitches and dental work.
Sounds a bit like the Lake Washington trail in Seattle back in the 1990s. The spandex clad bikers who fancied themselves racers made it dangerous for all. They'd even blow across roads. The PD put officers on mopeds with radar out.
Even on a lazy day with lots of pedestrians and kids on bikes, they liked to use pedestrians a pylons and brush by suddenly. I took to carrying a staff which warded them off, as a sudden surprise passing would cause me to turn suddenly with high potential of the staff going through their spokes. Creating a thousand dollars or so of scrap metal.
Also, when alone in areas, I'd kick gravel across the path. Not a problem for the kids on bikes but of concern they bike-shorted inconsiderates.
The Phila. Inquirer just posted an article on the dangers of juiced up e-bikes: https://www.inquirer.com/news/electric-bike-motorcycle-regulations-injuries-20251006.html
Watch out for MAMILs (middle aged males in lycra).
E-bikes fall into the same category as cigars and ski-doos. Awesome when you do it. A PITA when anyone else does.
License and insure with lines for under and uninsured pedestrians and animals should cut down the traffic of legal motorists.
Not just spandex, spandex shorts.
I laughed watching a bike rider go through a red light the other day. He was such a stereotype.
It's not just the spandex, it is the wearing of mock racing shorts, complete with the corporate sponsor's logos. Bunch of asses.
Meant to say "shirts."
The Deliveroo riders in Dublin all ride homebrewed e-bikes that are really fast. They are a constant menace to pedestrians. The funny thing is that they are all Brazilian men, but on the delivery app they're usually named Niamh or Mairead.
Unless you pulled your pet out of a burning building, it is an adoption, not a rescue. That baby Mayor Pete was nursing through his man-siere, was adopted, not rescued. Although a rescue may be warranted.
Jamie, aren't goldendoodles turning out to have some unexpected downside?
A columnist in my local paper commented one day that he had actually seen a guy on a bike stop at a stop sign. There was a storm of criticism the next day for being anti-cyclist. So he wrote that he was just kidding; he never saw a guy on a bike stop at a stop sign.
In most cases - E-bikes are motorcycles.
kids are allowed to ride them without any rules, laws, or guidance.
I'm all for kids having fun - but many kids are joy-riding with reckless abandon on city streets and sidewalks.
Add in the free LIME scooters - used by drug transients and left in the middle of sidewalks like garbage... It's dangerous if you round a blind corner on the bike path - and there's scooter and pedestrians - and you cannot stop fast enough to avoid an accident.
Back to the kids on e-bikes - locally these kids zoom thru intersections and sometimes they cause traffic accidents.
No one really thought about the negative side of allowing mini-motorcycles all over the streets and sidewalks.
fat old bikers in tour de crap spandex are a blight wherever they’re found…
When I was a kid - my dad was into dirt biking and off-road back country motorcycles. He got me a little Yamaha 60.
I rode in on empty dirt lots. No streets at all.
(that said -I was terrified of the thing)
Hi, I'm Hey Skipper, and I'm a spandex clad road cyclist.
The issue is speed differential. Ten mph is the upper sane limit on shared paths. Most riders are sane, which is why you only see the insane ones making the rest of us look bad.
There's a fairly large number of cyclists on the roads here in Boise. They are, in my experience, well behaved. And the motorists are considerate. New York's mileage may vary.
Bob Boyd: An e-bike is a motorcycle. I'm not a curmudgeon, I like e-bikes, I want one, but it's just a fact.
Depends. Class 1 ebikes provide pedal assist, but not primary power, up to 20 mph.
Class II can provide primary power up to (yeah, right) 20 mph.
Class III assists up to 28mph.
Last summer my wife and I rode Yamaha Wabash RTs across the US.
At the distances we were riding, ~62 miles/day, range mattered. Battery power took the sting out of steep climbs, and offset the 50 or so pounds of stuff we were carrying, giving us an average speed of thirteen mph instead of ten.
Over thirty years ago some bitch came from the stables near the dakota or some such, steaming across CPW on a horse at a fair clip headed for the park yelling at me and my girlfriend apparently in her way. To this day that woman is owed a punch in the face…
If not cut down, a benefits liability would retard their catastrophic progress, and mitigate planned pedestrianhood.
"New vecinos", usually assumed to be Venezuelan based on phenotype and/or accented Spanish, have acquired a fondness for riding e-bikes and e-scooters on busy Chicago sidewalks. The polite ones have added "sorry" to their vocabulary.
Kevin said...
E-bikes should be renamed. They are only called bikes so they can use the bike lanes, but they are really electric vehicles which should be forced onto the roads with the other EV's.
exactly, E-bikes are E-mopeds, not bicycles
It's a Tron arcade.
Does it have a motor? Then it's a motorcycle.
20 is pretty fast on a pedestrian path or a sidewalk. And it's not just the top speed, it's the acceleration and how easy it is to go that fast all the time.
I'm not against fun or even risky behavior, but I really don't want to hit some kid with my truck. I don't know what the answer is, but it's a problem that has arisen. People riding long distance on the roads are not that problem. The problem is fast moving bikes in town that are not part of the ordinary, predictable traffic pattern because they don't feel it's incumbent on them to obey traffic laws.
If you ride a gas MC on the streets you have to have a license, be of age, take a class, etc. You can't ride it on the sidewalk or pedestrian paths and you must obey traffic laws, even if it's a small one that doesn't go very fast. E-bikes don't make noise or smoke, but they're very different in capability from a pedal bike. Why? Because they have a motor.
I'm not down on e-bikes. I've ridden them and they're fun. Does a young kid need one? Maybe not to ride on the streets.
Some bicyclists are just jerks. I had a scenario the other day where I was trying to make a right turn out of a gas station. The road I was entering was under construction and there were orange barrels that were obstructing the view. As a result, I needed to pull into the sidewalk area to see the oncoming traffic. I did so and my car was braked.
As I was waiting for the car I'd spotted in the road to pass, a dude on an e-bike came barreling down the sidewalk from the opposite direction at about 20-25 MPH. He swerved behind me and in front of another car that was lined up behind me to exit the gas station, then as he passed he slammed his fist on the trunk of my car and sped off. Only got a quick glance at him, but he had the full spandex regalia. I could see the driver behind me in my rear view mirror, shaking his head.
This chaos has certainly been caused by Trump.
Jamie, aren't goldendoodles turning out to have some unexpected downside?
You know, I think I did read something about that! So maybe "doodle rescue" shelters are coming.
My dog is half pit, half dalmatian, and looks like a slightly undersized Labrador - short black fur with just a couple of white markings, that athletic lean dalmatian build, very little evidence of pitbull. If you know her DNA results, you can see it a bit in the shape of her muzzle, but it's far from obvious. She's also "passive aggressive" according to the trainer we hired - very submissive under almost all circumstances but not to be trusted close up (if you're not in my family). She was a "re-home" - her owner gave away his 5 dogs when it became clear his cancer was terminal, evidently.
Meanwhile, in my former suburb, both e-scooters and e-bikes (as well as non-e versions of both, and on rare occasions a golf cart) were allowed on the abundant "recreational paths." Middle school kids were the only sometimes-irresponsible users, but fortunately most of them were both polite and respectful of the pedestrians they passed.
“ Spandex IS part of the problem. 98% of the people wearing it, shouldn't.”
They all look like Mrs. Michelin in red spandex.
A tire patch kit, once you open the rubber cement tube, is dead. The next time you open it, there will be zero rubber cement inside. Confirmed again yesterday. This leave you with a dozen useless patches.
Because it’s the riders in Spandex (okay…Lycra) that are the assholes much of the time. Because they are SERIOUS RIDERS don’t you know! One ran through a red light on 1st Ave and knocked my husband down as he started crossing. A guy yelled at me in my tiny town because I dared to cross in a crosswalk and he didn’t see me because a car blocked his vision. He just had to do a bit of a hard brake. Sorry for your inconvenience, dude.
"Dave Begley said...
This chaos has certainly been caused by Trump"
And, climate change.
But mostly THE PARENTS
More from PJ O'Rourke: "The Bicycle Menace"
In the top video the woman pushing a baby carriage and walking a leashed white dog while looking at her phone is shown walking away from the camera as she crosses the street and then an edit shows her walking toward the camera and back across the street she just crossed.
Encouraged to do so by the photog to add drama to the video?
Heh heh. You've got it easy! I live in a hilly neighborhood that several bicycle riding/racing clubs use for toughening up for the season. Not unusual to have a group of twenty or so in their spandex shorts and body shirts buzzing around.
What tops it off for me are those silly caps with their bills flipped up. Thousands of $$$ in an imported racing bike and
you gotta top it off with a beanie!
The father of an acquaintance was killed by a bicyclist in Central Park a few years ago (he was running on the park drive). NYC recently passed a law that makes running a red light a criminal offense. Whether it will actually be enforced is still TBD. There is also a widely ignored speed limit.
Central Park is closed to automobiles, but somehow these motorized bikes get a free pass, endangering pedestrians. The e-bikers also use bike paths on the avenues, going at relatively high speeds, through lights, and often the wrong way.
Quite a few people have been killed, including a somewhat well-known actress a few years ago. From Google AI: "Actress Lisa Banes was killed by an electric scooter near Lincoln Center in Manhattan in June 2021. She was struck in a crosswalk and suffered a fatal head injury, with the scooter rider, Brian Boyd, initially fleeing the scene. Boyd was later arrested, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, and was sentenced to one to three years in prison." That was obviously before Alvin Bragg became the DA.
Here in SoCal, many "kids" ride their e-bikes like motorcycles, speeding along at the speed limit for cars and trucks, if not faster. But, unfortunately, many will run stop signs, not respect a 4-way stop.
Past a certain power level, I think e-bike riders need a motorcycle license, IMHO.
Around here, "traffic cops" are few and far between. I'd love to see more of them again. Seems like everyone (not just the e-bike folks) are a bit more reckless -- speeding, running reds, not respecting yield signs, etc.
Not so many E-Bikes around here, but lots of E-Scooters. Seeing 10 year olds zipping down the street @ 20 M.P.H, in shorts and tshirts gives me visions of Orthopedic catastrophe.
I could swear critters get a thrill dashing in front of me in the dark hours of early morning as I go delivering amazon. It’s primordial, in all of our DNA or something.
In Idaho, bicycles can treat stop signs as yield signs (you are not required to stop); stop lights are treated as stop signs (you must stop but can proceed if clear). A stop requires one foot on the ground.
Before Fred Lebow founded the NYC Marathon, he started running with Manhattan guys who went all the way to the Bronx for their runs. Fred was never a great runner, but he cheered them on. Why don't you run in Central Park? Answer: the cyclists kind of own the place. History.
E-bikes sound innocuous, but they contribute more than you might expect to the growing feeling of lawlessness in NYC. There is a constant, low-level fraying of the small things in the city that creates a constant sense of unease. In the last two years, I've stopped going into NYC unless I have business there that simply can't be avoided.
I could swear critters get a thrill dashing in front of me in the dark hours of early morning
Great squirrels are the worst. I swear they treat cars as some kind of thrill sport. Fox squirrels are mellow and predictable. Armadillos are too focused and don’t hustle to get our of the way but will it you let them…
There is a constant, low-level fraying of the small things in the city that creates a constant sense of unease
Those shitheads like to export that feeling when they fly to other places, too…
Bicyclists being @sshats varies by location, I think. In Seattle there were enough of them that I felt safe in assuming all of them were @sshats. Down here in Mesa AZ, they're much better. I also never wore the spandex getup, basic workout shorts and a shirt of some sort. Also have the old fashioned foot straps instead of the clips.
Some kid was just killed (well, a few months ago) riding some sort of e-contraption, I believe zipping down a sidewalk and a car turned into the driveway. A friend's 92-year old dad was also killed a year or so ago riding an electric bike (really practically a motorcycle) on the street. He was supposed to be off to the side but was apparently out in the vehicle lane and got hit by a truck pulling out of a parking lot.
I also almost turned left into 3-4 kids on ICE cycles blasting down the road after dark with no headlights. If not for the Spousal Unit noticing, I probably would have.
If you're a pedestrian or on some sort of cycle/scooter you have to assume you are never seen by any vehicles or suffer the consequences.
E-bikes are actually not bikes. They are silent unlicensed motorcycles with insufficient mirrors, helmets, and lighting.
A “motorcycle” by definition in Wisconsin state statute, is capable of speeds in excess of 30 miles per hour and has:
an engine or battery
a seat or saddle requiring the rider to sit astride (sit with one leg on each side)
no more than three wheels
steering controlled by handlebars
acceleration and braking controlled with handlebar and foot controls.
A moped, sometimes called a "scooter," is a motor vehicle with the engine man on moped as an integral part of the vehicle. If the engine is an add-on it's likely the vehicle is a motor bicycle, which has limited operation on highways different from motorcycles and mopeds. A moped engine may not exceed 50 cubic centimeters (CCs) in size with an automatic transmission, or 130 CCs in size if it is a bicycle type vehicle with fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power.
Traditionally, mopeds had fully operative pedals but modern mopeds are usually more like small motorcycles with an automatic transmission and no pedals.
“Central Park is closed to automobiles,” and it was safer when they still were allowed in. At least cars obey traffic lights (most of the time). The closure to automobiles happened in 2018. Now, my dog and I take our lives in our hands/paws to get across the park drive.
If you're a pedestrian or on some sort of cycle/scooter you have to assume you are never seen by any vehicles or suffer the consequences.
My oldest's Iron Law is "If it can kill you, it has the right of way."
This should be understood to mean not that you should cower at every four way stop because other cars are there, just waiting until it's 100% clear, but rather that if you are a pedestrian, you should be prepared for anything else to DO anything else because it can all kill you; if you're a cyclist you should be prepared for everything but a pedestrian to kill you; if you're in a Smart Car (for instance), you should be prepared for any other motorized vehicle to kill you; et cetera.
Silent cyclists... sorry, cycles that Spring. AI?
Strive and be prepared or take a knee and sequester in place.
#YourChoice
A progressive taxation scheme would retard their evolution, liberal proclivities and collateral damage.
A “motorcycle” by definition in Wisconsin state statute, is capable of speeds in excess of 30 miles per hour
What is it considered if it won't exceed 30mph?
Maybe 30 is a thing in a lot of states and that's why e-bikes are governed at 28 mph.
"“Central Park is closed to automobiles,” and it was safer when they still were allowed in."
Yes, and it was a stupid policy move from the point of view of traffic and air quality. I think cars were only allowed during rush hour, and it helped relieve automobile traffic on the streets. Add in all the stupid bike lanes that took a lane away from the avenues, and you get more congestion (and pollution).
Ampersand said...
E-bikes are actually not bikes. They are silent unlicensed motorcycles with insufficient mirrors, helmets, and lighting.
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I just had a kid shoot by my house at dusk on an e-scooter, moving faster than the car traffic we experience daily on our short, quiet street. He was easily going 25 mph or more.
No lights. He wore a helmet, but it seemed to me he risked major injury if he got hit or fell onto the pavement.
I'm in Central Park three or four times a week. It's not all that bad. There half the drive is reserved for runners and pedestrians. The other half is for people on wheels. The cyclists are chiefly a danger to each other. Some look very serious in Spandex and move at a brisk clip on premium bikes. Some are tourists who move erratically as they take in the scenery. And then, besides the e-bikes, there are roller blades, electric scooters, unicycles and horse drawn carriages. It looks anarchic, but the wheeled people don't seem to bleed into the runner and pedestrian lanes all that much. In Central Park at least, the cyclists are chiefly a danger to each other.
"My oldest's Iron Law is "If it can kill you, it has the right of way."
This should be understood to mean not that you should cower at every four way stop because other cars are there,"
3 car accident at neighborhood 4 way stop. 4th car there but wasn't involved.
Didn't see it happened but did see all the cars and drivers.
Easy to imagine, all there at same time, each hesitating and waving to the other guy to proceed, then they all move at once.
Done it myself with only one other car there, and without accident.
When I'm in my car, I hate bikes.
When I'm on my bike, I hate cars.
I was in a small western city over the weekend, it's got a young vibe. Lots of electric scooters and bikes, lots of young people. Walking to a restaurant with my wife two nights ago I almost got creamed, broadsided by a kid on an electric skate board. He must have been going around 25 mph on the sidewalk on this thing, jaywalked against the pedestrian light at the crosswalk and did a rather desperate maneuver to avoid killing me. After dark the kids come out and climb 2 or 3 to a scooter and start blasting around town, on the sidewalks of course. Streets would be too dangerous. The problem is, there's no punishment, immediate or otherwise for these types, and that's what it will take to change the culture.
In SW PA outside (and inside) of Pittsburgh, traffic laws and basic human decency on the road are a joke. People do get pulled over very occasionally. Mid to late Friday afternoon is lord of the flies. It's not surprising that two wheeled vehicles of various means of locomotion in a much larger city are any different.
"Easy to imagine, all there at same time, each hesitating and waving to the other guy to proceed..."
I hate when people do this. There are rules for who has the right of way and when one person screws it up by waving someone else ahead, what is everybody else supposed to do? What happens when the person being waved ahead can't see the driver waving him due to glare and just sits there? Who goes next?
As you're reaching the intersection, look to see where your turn fits in and go when it's time. If everybody did this, traffic would move much smoother.
I'll second Mason G's comment, with special emphasis first on the idiots who encourage a left turner through an otherwise unprotected crossing (I saw the results of that particular idiocy up close once. I hope the waver learned a lesson. The left turner certainly did.), and second left turners who are too chickenshit to make their move when it's their turn.
That said, it's important to note that it is not pure speed that kills but speed differential. The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels are flying in formation orders of magnitude faster than any biker or automobile but unless something goes drastically wrong they are all moving at a very stable relative speed. The issue is merging and overtaking traffic in confined spaces.
bagoh20 said...I've been an avid cyclist my whole life, but I've notice a shift recently to cyclist being very rude about their use of the road. We all used stay as far out of traffic as possible, and want the cars to pass us unobstructed, but in the last few years, I see a lot people just spread out across the lane and stay there. What has happened to people?
Covid. Covid happened to people. I knew at the time, and have had it confirmed ad infinitum, that the covid response was going to ruin society. I don't know how we get back to 2019.
(I saw the results of that particular idiocy up close once. I hope the waver learned a lesson. The left turner certainly did.)
Sadly, I did, once upon a time.
There are 2 types of e-bikes—-one has a throttle and is basically an electric motorcycle, and one that is a true E assist. The E assist has no throttle and will only work if you pedal them. I have a true E Assist—love it. I still can’t keep up with hubby on his regular old school bike, but it helps.
Ebikes must use the roads in Oregon. Not allowed on sidewalks. Almost all adult cyclists also stay on the road.
Of course ebikers like swagging in Central Park. On the street they have to concede to cabbies and bus drivers.
Agie, the punishment youth receives for youthful idiocy such as you describe is usually a sudden lesson in Newtonian physics, especially involving deacceleration, friction and blunt force trauma.
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