Althouse: "The fact that Kirk was killed while he was answering a question about the purported prevalence of trans mass shooters (a fiction he had helped promulgate)..."

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"The fact that Kirk was killed while he was answering a question about the purported prevalence of trans mass shooters (a fiction he had helped promulgate)..."

"... and the news that the suspect in Kirk’s killing apparently has a romantic partner who is trans have hypercharged this process of disowning [the work of civil society]. On Monday morning, before returning from a weekend away, I entered the following words into the search bar on my phone: 'famous trans people.' Then I tried 'transgender journalists,' 'transgender professors' and a few similar queries. My name did not come up. This was my inexact way of measuring the risk that someone would target me. It appeared to be low, even after a weekend of Donald Trump and his prominent allies blaming the left in general and trans people in particular for Kirk’s assassination. OK, I thought, I could go home, for now...."

Writes M. Gessen in "This Is the Feeling of Losing a Country. I Know It Well" (NYT).

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tommyesq చెప్పారు...: On Monday morning, before returning from a weekend away, I entered the following words into the search bar on my phone: 'famous trans people.' Then I tried 'transgender journalists,' 'transgender professors' and a few similar queries. My name did not come up. This was my inexact way of measuring the risk that someone would target me.

Quietly, I suspect "they" were quite disappointed by this.; 22-09-25 8:29 AM
wendybar చెప్పారు...: Wahhhh. Keep on being a victim. The right isn't assassinating trannies. I don't care what you decide to do with your body if you are an adult. What WE have been upset about, is the children they are indoctrinating into thinking cutting off your body parts is normal. It's not.; 22-09-25 8:30 AM
Leland చెప్పారు...: Isn’t it “funny” that one can say mass shooting by trans is a fiction, when they have occurred and more often in recent years. Yet, it is wrong to misgender a trans person. Who is doing the denying here, Gessen?; 22-09-25 8:31 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) చెప్పారు...: These people cannot have a discussion without larding it up with their fantasies about "what is happening" taking prevalence over the facts they pretend to want to discuss. A trans person is more likely to be suicidal than non-trans is a fact, not an opinion, not hate speech. Until these delusional being agree to participate in a human, fact-based discussion what is the point of publishing this tripe?; 22-09-25 8:32 AM
Dave Begley చెప్పారు...: Apparently! Apparently! The evidence is irrefutable.

The NYT prints this garbage as part of its sick Marxist agenda.

I see where the DFL candidate for Hennepin County Attorney claims he has a trans six-year-old and he's been treating his son like a girl for three years.

Society needs to recognize that these trans people are deeply mentally ill and progressivism helped cause it.; 22-09-25 8:38 AM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: No, you cannot have the microphone, and no, you cannot have Center Stage. Go away - your problems are sad and banal, and you have made yourself ridiculous by demanding that everybody must attend your parade and cheer.; 22-09-25 8:39 AM
Leland చెప్పారు...: Why is it ok to tell parents, “if you don’t allow your child to transition, they’ll most likely die of suicide”? If that is ok, then let’s talk about suicidal ideation and what it means. The fact is, those contemplating suicide often value the lives of others equal to their own, which is much lower than the average person values the lives of others. In short, suicidal people are often a danger to others as they are to themselves. This is why there is a high number of murder suicides. Accepting all this is true (and there is evidence that supports it being true), then why is it fictional to believe trans people commit mass shootings?; 22-09-25 8:40 AM
CJinPA చెప్పారు...: "Who Gets to be Victim?" seems to be the political struggle of our time.

Having cultivated victim mentality to achieve political and cultural power, the Left will fight viciously to retain its benefits.

So, yes, the assassination of an American by a man in a trans relationship MUST mean the real victims are transgendered people and their enablers. They can't portray it any other way.; 22-09-25 8:45 AM
Jamie చెప్పారు...: A trans person is more likely to be suicidal than non-trans is a fact, not an opinion, not hate speech.

And that relationship persists with or without "gender-affirming care."; 22-09-25 8:47 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: Simulants or homosexuals? The former are disproportionately representive as abortionists, even mass abortionists in our society.; 22-09-25 8:48 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: The left are self-absorbed demons.

btw- I thought the last question to Charlie was about gang violence?; 22-09-25 8:48 AM
Jamie చెప్పారు...: this process of disowning [the work of civil society]

And by the way... what?; 22-09-25 8:48 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: CJ in PA - that sums it up perfectly.; 22-09-25 8:48 AM
Earnest Prole చెప్పారు...: Narcissism is when you witness the worst American political assassination in fifty years and somehow find a way to make yourself the victim.; 22-09-25 8:49 AM
BothSidesNow చెప్పారు...: Interesting word choice: "The fact that Kirk was killed..." Always be suspicious of the folks who use the passive tense. I read the op ed yesterday and felt sick. A man is speaking to a group of college students on a bright sunshiney day and someone shoots him through the neck -- we all see it; we see the crowd, we see the impact, we see him slump over. In the face of that, Gessen crafts an op ed that is 1001% about Gessen. No empathy, no remorse for others (except that a late night comedy guy with a small audience loses his show). The worst part of the op ed is to compare the shooter to the young man in 1938 who killed a Nazi diplomate in Paris. Thus validating the shooter. That the NYT published this? Not a surprise at all.; 22-09-25 8:49 AM
Kevin చెప్పారు...: Charlie Kirk assassinated, trans people hardest hit!; 22-09-25 8:51 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: Johns Hopkins determined that homosexuals are typically a stable in the transgender spectrum, bisexuals, too, but simulants invariably exhibit a progressive condition expressed through abortive ideation that may only be coincidentally entertained, even celebrated in liberal culture.; 22-09-25 8:51 AM
planetgeo చెప్పారు...: Yet another NYT LGBTDNC piece getting the vapors about losing their Democratcy. I'm guessin' that Gessen has no clue that Kirk wasn't the one who was promulgating fiction.; 22-09-25 8:52 AM
The Vault Dweller చెప్పారు...: What narcissism. This oppression Olympics mindset is what is turning many off the left.; 22-09-25 8:52 AM
Dave Begley చెప్పారు...: Losing a country. So, so dramatic.; 22-09-25 8:54 AM
Breezy చెప్పారు...: I have my own garbage to worry about. Don’t try to saddle me with yours. I don’t care.; 22-09-25 8:57 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: Perhaps socially distancing of homosexuals and bisexuals from simulants through symbols and rhetoric was an ill-advised choice and emotional forcing that prompted catastrophic anthropogenic climate change including affirmative abortion events. DEIsm (i.e. institutional, systemic class-disordered ideologies), too.; 22-09-25 8:58 AM
jim5301 చెప్పారు...: Dave - since you say the evidence is irrefutable could you provide a link to the evidence? I’m not disagreeing with you. Just want to see the studies you are referring to. Tks; 22-09-25 8:58 AM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: These leftists will be happier somewhere else. They need to leave.; 22-09-25 9:00 AM
Chris చెప్పారు...: This is what they do. They frighten people into thinking THEY are in danger, after they and their rhetoric have begun to get people killed. I have a gay friend. We've been good friends for years, and recently he told me that HE's in danger and can no longer be my friend due to my politics because it put's him in danger. I know a couple, the woman a sociologist, they had a boy. when he was 2-3 she started transing him. They just moved to the Netherlands because THEY are in danger. Ugh. I'm so done with these people.; 22-09-25 9:02 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: The left demand that books about sex sit in your child's school library.
Not just sex - pedo sex and homo sex... fetish sex... gender confusion sex... Not innocent birds and bees.; 22-09-25 9:05 AM
Jaq చెప్పారు...: My personal experience with Democrats IRL is that they have minor qualms about shooting Charlie Kirk, but zero problems with shooting up the ABC affiliate.; 22-09-25 9:07 AM
William చెప్పారు...: Lawdy, lawdy, Miss Claudie - -
I never heard such self-aggrandizing poppycock in my life. What is WRONG with these people? They're simply sending out a message that says, "I'm messed up. All I need is a soap box to make it all go away."

Quite sad, actually.; 22-09-25 9:08 AM
David53 చెప్పారు...: The hundreds of transgenders murdered since Kirk’s assassination speak power to their words.; 22-09-25 9:11 AM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Always so centered on self, and yet reflection never enters into it. Always “poor me”, always the victim.; 22-09-25 9:12 AM
Bob Boyd చెప్పారు...: Tearing down the border between male and female is part of creating a borderless world.; 22-09-25 9:13 AM
Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...: Here's why I put "[the work of civil society]" after "this process of disowning."

The paragraph that precedes what I quoted is: "President Trump is remaking the country in his image: crude, harsh, gratuitously mean. The ongoing attack on civil society, which his administration plans to intensify in the name of Charlie Kirk, is a part of this program. Civil society makes life more livable. The administration’s message is that the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country."; 22-09-25 9:14 AM
Hassayamper చెప్పారు...: I see where the DFL candidate for Hennepin County Attorney claims he has a trans six-year-old and he's been treating his son like a girl for three years.

That’s child abuse.

This guy has a mental illness himself, or more likely, is a doormat for his domineering, mentally ill wife.; 22-09-25 9:14 AM
Martha చెప్పారు...: The COMMENTS section is now closed —maybe M. GESSEN did not like the type of comments her op Ed engendered.; 22-09-25 9:14 AM
Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...: So "the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country" = there is a "process of disowning."; 22-09-25 9:14 AM
ga6 చెప్పారు...: From his/hers/its playlist:

https://www.bing.com/search?pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR&q=Poor+Poor+Pitiful+Me

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=%22Poor+Twisted+Me&&mid=E23D758C89C114523B79E23D758C89C114523B79&FORM=VAMGZC; 22-09-25 9:15 AM
Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...: "The COMMENTS section is now closed —maybe M. GESSEN did not like the type of comments her op Ed engendered."

The newest comments are dated September 21, so nothing from this morning. So it wasn't an objection to people that went there through my link (unless there were comments that were deleted).; 22-09-25 9:16 AM
Jaq చెప్పారు...: "This is what they do. They frighten people into thinking THEY are in danger."

Right now Germany is in the process of re-arming, or trying to, without energy or steel production, because of the threat of a country that supposedly has taken a million casualties and hasn't even crossed the Dnieper River.

The Democrats know their Goebbels. The first thing that Goebbels would have done is accused his opponents of being Nazis.; 22-09-25 9:17 AM
Michael Fitzgerald చెప్పారు...: Maybe transies need their own country, something like The Island of Misfit Toys. Instead of cowboys riding ostriches and squirt guns that shoot jelly, they will be crying "I'm a woman with a penis".
The difference is the misfit toys were made whole when they were adopted by a child. But transies adopt the child instead and mutilate them to make them as miserable as transies.; 22-09-25 9:21 AM
Sebastian చెప్పారు...: "my inexact way of measuring the risk that someone would target" How does that risk compare to the risk of kids at Christian schools or conservative speakers on campus being targeted by trans or trans-allied killers?

As others have noted, it is remarkable how a trans person turns instances of trans violence into self-justifying self-pity. A peculiar kind of cruel political narcissism. In all the Dem professions of opposition to political violence, has even one of them denounced it?; 22-09-25 9:22 AM
Breezy చెప్పారు...: So "the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country" = there is a "process of disowning."

Ah - globalism is the answer! We are not responsible enough to do civility…. Aka civility BS.; 22-09-25 9:22 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Trump: "If speech is violence then some are bound to conclude that violence is justified to stop speech."

what side said speech is violence?; 22-09-25 9:25 AM
Wince చెప్పారు...: "Writes M. Gessen"?

Is that pronounced "I'm guessin'"?; 22-09-25 9:28 AM
Iman చెప్పారు...: shim hardest hit…; 22-09-25 9:33 AM
Birches చెప్పారు...: Oh brother; 22-09-25 9:33 AM
wendybar చెప్పారు...: "The administration’s message is that the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country."

Can't blame that on Trump. I blame the left for calling Presidents Hitler for years, and we on the right have tried to stay civil, but we are tired. We don't care about the hate from the left anymore. THEY did that....not Trump.; 22-09-25 9:41 AM
Tina Trent చెప్పారు...: Wrong. Trans mass shooters are overrepresented in terms of their population. The absolute numbers are small because they make up such a small part of the population, but they commit mass/political crimes nearly twice as much as their population would indicate. According to a writer to Steve Sailer, about 2% of this category of killings is committed by .6% of the population. Again, the numbers of shooting are very small, but as the trans movement ramps up and becomes more about a radicalized imaginary victim group rather than real trans people, expect those numbers to rise. They have also become more prevalent in recent years, as "trans" has become more of a glorified victimization trend than an actual, rare occurance.; 22-09-25 9:41 AM
R C Belaire చెప్పారు...: Inga? Kak? What say you?; 22-09-25 9:43 AM
Tina Trent చెప్పారు...: Cbrist: domeztic and other internicene violence is commited by gays -- by other gays. He has less to fear of you than by his own cohort.; 22-09-25 9:43 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: anyone recall if Trump ever called Kamala a fascist?

I do not.; 22-09-25 9:45 AM
Skeptical Voter చెప్పారు...: Narcissist whack a doodle complains no one has taken a shot at him--he has a lot of fever dreams. Or is it "they" have a lot of fever dreams. Whatever.; 22-09-25 9:48 AM
Beasts of England చెప్పారు...: ‘Narcissism is when you witness the worst American political assassination in fifty years and somehow find a way to make yourself the victim.’

Precisely.; 22-09-25 9:49 AM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: Ann Althouse said...
Here's why I put "[the work of civil society]" after "this process of disowning."

The paragraph that precedes what I quoted is: "President Trump is remaking the country in his image: crude, harsh, gratuitously mean. The ongoing attack on civil society, which his administration plans to intensify in the name of Charlie Kirk, is a part of this program. Civil society makes life more livable. The administration’s message is that the work of civil society no longer belongs in this country."

If it was just an assassin who killed Kirk things would be moving on to some extent.

But it isn’t the assassin that is the main problem.

It is how Democrats are acting right now.

They just have to leave. They will be happier in a different country.; 22-09-25 9:57 AM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Gov Pritzker(D) billionaire Radial leftist who demands Chicago stay crime-ridden says -

“these Republicans cannot know a moment of peace”.; 22-09-25 10:06 AM
Maynard చెప్పారు...: NYT and WaPo gaslighting mainly serves to keep loyal Democrats in line.

They are the useful idiots of our time.; 22-09-25 10:07 AM
Ron Winkleheimer చెప్పారు...: "If it was just an assassin who killed Kirk things would be moving on to some extent.

But it isn’t the assassin that is the main problem.

It is how Democrats are acting right now."

Exactly. The new talking point is that "the left" didn't shoot nobody, it was some waka- doodle nutbar. So please ignore the gloating, celebratory posts from tens of thousands of leftist ghouls and the years of eliminationist, dehumanizing rhetoric from the highest reaches of the Democrat party that continues today.; 22-09-25 10:11 AM
hombre చెప్పారు...: The NYT is in the business of preserving and adding to the mental instability of its readers. They are a bulwark of Gramscian Marxism since they can’t be stupid enough to believe their bullshit.; 22-09-25 10:14 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: The "useful idiots" or the "good Germans... Americans" are a sympathetic population in left-wing regimes.; 22-09-25 10:17 AM
Dude1394 చెప్పారు...: Every damn thing he said was without evidence. Typical democrat pablum.; 22-09-25 10:20 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: Under Critical Diversity Theory, aligned axes powers... interests can be treated as a bloc act. Doh! #HateLovesAbortion; 22-09-25 10:21 AM
Jamie చెప్పారు...: Civil society makes life more livable.

...he or she asserted without evidence.

Civil society, lately, has policed speech and behavior in ways that lost school-age kids at least a semester of meaningful instruction - a full year in a lot of states. That lost people their jobs and in some cases their entire livelihoods. That kept people huddled in their houses, drinking. That tarred half the country with a label that is second only to the n-word in social unscceptability. That almost got Andy Ngo killed, what, twice? and did get Charlie Kirk killed - and, by the way, is probably also at fault in the killing of the Holmans. That caused downtowns all over the country to buy plywood in mass quantities... which then charmingly tried to disguise the fact that they feared for their businesses by allowing the production of "murals." That demoralized (demoralizes) and physically threatened (threatens) all law enforcement. That has so pretzeled the English language that we can't even figure out if a news story is talking about one person or a group, but to use ambiguous words incorrectly might be a crime, depending on where you live.

For whom has civil society made life more livable? Maybe this writer, in that he or she can speak and act with impunity (as we all should be able to do, up to the point where our swinging fist encounters another person's nose, in the old teacher illustration of the concept) while anyone this person doesn't like has to self-police or else. But I think I'd argue that it hasn't even made life more livable for this person, since there's undoubtedly someone one rung higher on the intersectionality ladder who can demand that this person dance to a different tune.

Jon the American right, and live and let live.; 22-09-25 10:23 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "I’ve sat through over 50 hours of Charlie Kirk’s videos as an ethnically Black American. Not one racist word. Not 1. What Democrats do is cut snippets, strip context, and shove sound bites at the same gullible slob audience too lazy to fact-check. That isn’t exposing racism .. it’s manufacturing lies to spark division."; 22-09-25 10:26 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...: Now that women have been pushed to the back of the bus, girls under the bus, and babies sequestered in sanctuary states, the new handmade tales are brayed about simulants with prospective leverage and salivating about forward-looking profits. Black Lives Matter not.; 22-09-25 10:26 AM
Humperdink చెప్పారు...: Yep, it wasn’t the shooting of Charlie Kirk, it was the Commie reaction to it. Who are these people? Citizens who want to participate in a civil society? I think not. Not when they cheer and then produce lists of the next candidates to be 86’d.; 22-09-25 10:29 AM
CJinPA చెప్పారు...: Ann,

He also compares Kirk's murder to a young Jewish man who killed a Nazi diplomat, which was used by Hitler as a pretext for Kristallnacht.

"Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury" as the young Jewish man," he writes.

Thereby making a more direct, and dangerous, Trans-Assassination link than the paper that pays him has made in its news section.; 22-09-25 10:32 AM
Jamie చెప్పారు...: The new talking point is that "the left" didn't shoot nobody, it was some waka- doodle nutbar.

OF COURSE it was a waka-doodle nutbar. It's ALWAYS a waka-doodle nutbar. Is anyone going to claim that a sniper, outside a military or law enforcement setting, is a rational actor? The shooter's motive is important insofar as it points to a societal problem we have to try to alleviate, since I doubt there's any solving it. But the Democrat reaction is the story - from the refusal of so many Democrats to join in the resolution honoring Kirk's commitment to open dialogue to the attempts to blame him for his own death to the nauseating celebrations.

It's like the Hunter Biden laptop story. How hard did the Democrats try to make everyone believe that the story was Hunter Biden's drug use and general grossness, instead of JOE Biden's influence-peddling to which the laptop attested?; 22-09-25 10:32 AM
hawkeyedjb చెప్పారు...: "Charlie Kirk was murdered; it's all about me."

Yes, yes. "World ends. Women, minorities and transgenders hardest hit."; 22-09-25 10:34 AM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: ""President Trump is remaking the country in his image: crude, harsh, gratuitously mean."

Really? I haven't seen him remaking anything around here and things/people are not crude, harsh, gratuitously mean.

Except for maybe the more crazed Democrats. But then, they've always been like that.; 22-09-25 10:34 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) చెప్పారు...: An impenetrable farrago of bullshit.; 22-09-25 10:41 AM
Joe Bar చెప్పారు...: "I’ll still be thinking of me, Al Franken. But for you, you’ll be thinking more about how things affect me, Al Franken. "; 22-09-25 10:41 AM
Ron Winkleheimer చెప్పారు...: "OF COURSE it was a waka-doodle nutbar. It's ALWAYS a waka-doodle nutbar. Is anyone going to claim that a sniper, outside a military or law enforcement setting, is a rational actor? The shooter's motive is important insofar as it points to a societal problem we have to try to alleviate, since I doubt there's any solving it. But the Democrat reaction is the story -"

Yes, I agree. "The left" didn't shoot anybody. But a hell of a lot of leftists cheered when it happened and a hell of a lot of leftists are up for it happening to more of the people they perceive as evil Nazi scum.; 22-09-25 10:46 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "On Monday morning, before returning from a weekend away, I entered the following words into the search bar on my phone: 'famous trans people.'"

I'm worried about my safety, so I'll publish on oped in the NYT.; 22-09-25 10:46 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: roske makes the 10th attempt, what foolishness is gessen attempting here,; 22-09-25 10:46 AM
effinayright చెప్పారు...: Peachy said...
Trump: "If speech is violence then some are bound to conclude that violence is justified to stop speech."

what side said speech is violence?
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Per Claude AI:

"The phrase "speech is violence" appears to be more commonly used in certain academic circles, particularly in discussions about hate speech, microaggressions, and the psychological impact of harmful rhetoric [than it is by politicians.]

"Judith Butler is perhaps the most prominent academic associated with this idea. Butler argues that "words can wound and linguistic violence is its own kind of violence" in their [sic] influential book "Excitable Speech: A Politics of the Performative" (1997). Butler examines hate speech, pornography debates, and military policies, arguing that language can be a form of conduct that causes harm."

So, unsurprisingly, the term comes from lefty academics.; 22-09-25 10:46 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: and as andy ngo has pointed out, trantifa has it's own wing,; 22-09-25 10:47 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: the one who tried to attack justice kavanaugh, provoked by Chuck Schumer,; 22-09-25 10:50 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: Gessen was on that zoom call with creepy Jeff Toobin,; 22-09-25 10:54 AM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...: There's Luc who became Lucy, Stephen who became Stephanie, and Donald who became Deirdre. I can't think of any reason why anybody would want to kill them. They mind their business and live their lives. I doubt anyone thinks they're going to kill people.

I'm not sure Masha is trans, and maybe she isn't sure herself. Wasn't she non-binary at one point and maybe even now? Before that she was a mannish lesbian. Capitalism offers us the opportunity to shop around for gender identities. It was different in the old country. Her ma and grandma had more important things to worry about.; 22-09-25 10:58 AM
john mosby చెప్పారు...: Trump is giving civil society a huge shot in the arm! On his own side, he is allowing the tech companies to allow open discussion,following Musk’s example with X. On the other side, there is more speech than ever, and because of Trump’s removing tax dollars from the fray, more private spending on speech and social action than ever.DOGE may even backfire a bit, as the lefties booted out of government spread out in the general economy, I.e., become part of civil society.

As other commenters have pointed out, if Trump is a Nazi, he’s really, really bad at it. CC, JSM; 22-09-25 11:06 AM
William చెప్పారు...: The fact that a trans was sufficiently self involved to feel sorry for themselves after a Kirk was murdered is not surprising. I didn't think the NYT would be so tone deaf however......The writer compares Kirk to a Nazi functionary and his killer to an oppressed Jew with no other way of expressing his despair and disagreement. WTF....Such sentiments do not increase my trust in the NYT or trans people. Kirk's murder was evil and the people who try to justify it are evil squared. It's disturbing that people have such sentiments and even more disturbing that the NYT thinks it's okay to print them.; 22-09-25 11:06 AM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...: According to reports from VICE and other news outlets, the participants on the call included:
Jane Mayer, playing establishment Republicans.
Evan Osnos, playing Joe Biden.
Jelani Cobb, playing establishment Democrats.
Masha Gessen, playing Donald Trump.
Andrew Marantz, playing the far right.
Sue Halpern, playing left-wing Democrats.
Dexter Filkins, playing the military.
Jeffrey Toobin, playing the courts.

Was it Masha or Trump that Jeffrey was thinking about?; 22-09-25 11:10 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: which role playing exercise was most ridiculous,; 22-09-25 11:14 AM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...: Charlie kirk murdered. Transgenders hardest hit.; 22-09-25 11:15 AM
MB చెప్పారు...: If one is in a group that has been acting violently towards others, the first thought should be, "How can I help turn down the heat?", not "I'm the real victim here.". Claiming victim hood and encouraging others to feel like a victim just makes people more likely to think they are righteous when they become violent.; 22-09-25 11:19 AM
Earnest Prole చెప్పారు...: ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.; 22-09-25 11:27 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: very tedious, but thats the Times for you,; 22-09-25 11:30 AM
Kirk Parker చెప్పారు...: Achilles,
You are right that the more committed progressives at least are completely incompatible with a free, high trust society.

But your ending statement is a howler; sorry, but "happy progressives " is a situation that is simply not on offer. Not when discontent is one of the defining characteristics of the progressive. To quote our recent lamentable vice president: " how dare you say Merry Christmas!"; 22-09-25 11:36 AM
Rabel చెప్పారు...: Gessen's conclusion is that the murder was an act of love.; 22-09-25 11:39 AM
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...: I have read the quoted paragraph 4 times. I have no idea what m. gessen's point is.

The fact that Charlie Kirk was shot by a dude dating a trans person means that trans people aren't violent?

The fact that m. gessen isn't as famous as m. gessen thinks m. gessen ought to be means that m. gessen's fantasy of being in danger is less likely to be real?

Why is this published in the NYT? It doesn't even make sense.; 22-09-25 11:44 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: how did that song go 'you probably think this song is about you' Russian expatriate transgender, is a narrow niche,; 22-09-25 11:48 AM
Rabel చెప్పారు...: 1. Trump is cracking down on antisemitism.

2. The Nazi's were antisemitic.

3. Therefore Trump is a Nazi.

- Masha Gessen's reasoning as I read it.; 22-09-25 11:52 AM
narciso చెప్పారు...: Gessen is all in on Hamas, isn't he?; 22-09-25 11:54 AM
stunned చెప్పారు...: Always so centered on self, and yet reflection never enters into it. Always “poor me”, always the victim.

They have started to screen persons expressing desire to transition for ASD, autism. Autistic individuals have challenges with self-reflection, same as narcissists. Autists/narcissists have issues with empathy although they are pushing the idea the underlying mechanisms differ (does it make a difference to the person who is being shot at?). Narcissism is the dark side of autism, that's the whole story, while were are being pushed on us the image of helpless, abused little kid drawing on the walls as the whole story about autism. It is not.
Narcissism and autism are the burdens of our society in more ways than we have acknowledged, until now.

Whether one is dealing with a narcissist or autist, prepare yourself and expect to be abused in one way or another. Both of these diagnoses are mental illness. A lot of people have suffered at the hands of mentally ill. And being cold-blooded is a mental illness. Mental health industry are gaslighting our society, pushing for empathy for the cold-blooded, while they get paid playing their mind games on the ones who are sane.; 22-09-25 11:58 AM
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...: Jeffrey Toobin, playing the courts.

Ummm---I'm pretty sure Jeffrey was playing something else...; 22-09-25 11:58 AM
PM చెప్పారు...: The ennui that Gessen feels is less the result of a gunman and more the result of he and fellow Democrats letting Bill and Barack tap (not that tap) Kamala as the next President - essentially (and thankfully) giving themselves the exquisite pain of President Triumph.; 22-09-25 12:05 PM
RNB చెప్పారు...: A trans 'acquaintance' commented on the Charlie Kirk memorial:

"Now I am at least a little bit scared. Will Trump go crazy and go after his supposed enemies? Today's event is the kind of thing that could set him off."

Just like all the other times DJT 'went crazy' and 'went after his supposed enemies.'; 22-09-25 12:22 PM
Jaq చెప్పారు...: "Jane Mayer, playing establishment Republicans.
Evan Osnos, playing Joe Biden.
Jelani Cobb, playing establishment Democrats.
Masha Gessen, playing Donald Trump.
Andrew Marantz, playing the far right.
Sue Halpern, playing left-wing Democrats.
Dexter Filkins, playing the military."

I am guessing that one of these, Toobin thinks is really hot.

Toobin <<--- That name is more evidence that we live in a simulation.; 22-09-25 12:37 PM
mccullough చెప్పారు...: Gessen has Charlie Kirk envy.; 22-09-25 12:38 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: boatbuilder said...
I have read the quoted paragraph 4 times. I have no idea what m. gessen's point is.

His point is that Trump is a NAZI Hitler and he is making the US a NAZI Hitler country and that some brave young person needs to kill him.; 22-09-25 12:40 PM
Temujin చెప్పారు...: 1) Trans people are too obsessed with themselves.
2) Most of America doesn't think about them much, until they insert themselves in our face. Which, as time has gone on, has been too much in too many places.
3) The actual numbers of them are tiny. The numbers of trendy trans or wannabe trans are much larger.
4) There is a large and growing larger list of trans or wannabe trans people committing murder and other attacks. It is what it is.
5) No one is looking for M Gessen for anything. He apparently considers himself (herself?) a famous trans person. So be it. No one cares. No one is looking for him/her.

The hand-wringing continues.; 22-09-25 1:07 PM
Birches చెప్పారు...: ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.; 22-09-25 1:43 PM
Birches చెప్పారు...: This was a way more unhinged excerptfrom the article.

Tyler Robinson is just like the kid who assassinated a Nazi!; 22-09-25 1:44 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: Birches said...
This was a way more unhinged excerptfrom the article.

Tyler Robinson is just like the kid who assassinated a Nazi!

The left has their brave young man who rid the world of a racist fascist Trump supporter and wrote such lovely text messages to his partner.

But he was really a white conservative groyper who grew up with evil republican parents depending on circumstance and necessities.

Some things are very malleable to the left. .; 22-09-25 1:54 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: gah.; 22-09-25 1:54 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: wut.; 22-09-25 1:55 PM
Jim at చెప్పారు...: I've been wondering who the real victims are in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Thanks for M. Gessen for pointing it out.; 22-09-25 3:02 PM
Jake చెప్పారు...: Could someone be more obtuse?; 22-09-25 3:14 PM
Not Illinois Resident చెప్పారు...: Emblematic of trans-people's over-estimation of their own interestingness, their intense belief in their individual importance, and their need to self-promote themselves whenever possible.; 22-09-25 3:31 PM
Valentine Smith చెప్పారు...: Can’t you hear Gessen’s plaintive cries to become a target? It yearns to be placed in the center of this turmoil. Please make me a martyr it screeches!

Right on stunned.; 22-09-25 3:37 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: "Could someone be more obtuse?"

Leftists all across the country are shouting "Hold my hard seltzer and antidepressants!" right now.; 22-09-25 4:23 PM
Craig Mc చెప్పారు...: "A fiction he had helped promulgate" is the new "without evidence".; 22-09-25 4:51 PM
Steve Austin Showed Up For Work. చెప్పారు...: I can't help thinking: someone else gets shot, and this author makes it about themselves. It seems to be a favorite subject.

Do you like being a trans stereotype?; 22-09-25 4:59 PM
Bunkypotatohead చెప్పారు...: Most everyone has encountered a homo drama queen at one time or another. Masha's just expressing the tranny version of it.; 22-09-25 11:02 PM

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