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The top image has the makings for a nice duck blind.
Awesome all-nighter last night with the 12.5" telescope at a dark site. Spent a lot of time in Cepheus and Auriga. Finished off the night with everybody's favorite, the Orion Nebula.
Scott Adams just did an extra podcast with live guests Greg Gutfeld and Dr Drew in his house. The 3-guy in-group in high school that doesn't associate with anybody else, they speculated. Youtube.
The constellations in the northern sky have been filmed many times, so staring through a telescope instead of sleeping makes no sense to me, and telescoping was nothing that I was interested in as a hobby. The pictures are available from large devices, including the James Webb Space Telescope at Palo Alto.
In the Portlandia post, OSU'92 wrote:
"I am a Portland resident of 40 years...
It has been absolutely heart breaking to watch."
So how do the same culprits keep getting reelected?
This is the case in numerous blue cities. Maybe Republicans should just run as Democrats or rename themselves "The Resistance Party". There have to be some reasonably intelligent Democrats somewhere in a bomb shelter with Pop Tarts and herbal tea running low.
Robert Redford died earlier this month. We all know his most famous movies. But to remember him I wanted to watch one of his movies I had never seen before. So tonight I watched All Is Lost. It's kind of like Earnest Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea," but with a modern sailboat and no fish. It was great. For some reason I really like these "man against nature" survivalist movies. I think it's because I put myself in their situation and wonder what I would do. It's part of your Amazon Prime subscription for the next 2 days if you are interested. I highly recommend it.
Constellations: see The Stars, a new way to see them, by H.A.Rey. Best outlines ever, copyrighted so you don't see them a lot. Very old book now. I use one to support a mouse pad slanted in a desk fly top side drawer.
Time to start preparing for a post NATO world.
OMG, LOL!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2025/09/28/trump-deletes-post-referencing-bizarre-medbed-conspiracy-theory/
“President Donald Trump shared and then deleted a seemingly AI-generated video in which he was seen promising Americans access to “medbeds,” a fictional technology popular with some far-right conspiracy theorists who believe they secretly exist and hold miracle cures for every illness.
WHAT DO “MEDBED” CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE?
Proponents of the “medbed” conspiracy theory believe the government is hiding advanced healing technology to treat a variety of illnesses or diseases—a claim that has appealed to people suffering from chronic pain, The New York Times reported.”
Horrendous attack on a Latter Day Saints (aka Mormon) church in Grand Blanc, MI. Details are stil a bit sketchy, but at a news conference, Chief of Police William Renye said the suspect was identified as a 40-year-old male from Burton, Michigan, named Thomas Jacob Sanford. He drove his SUV through the doors of the church and began shooting as he exited the vehicle. At least two police officers engaged Sanford and succeeded in killing him, but not before he set fire to the church building, which has since burned to the ground.
Two parishioners are confirmed dead, eight are in the hospital. One of the eight is described as being in critical condition, the others are described as being stable. There is speculation that more bodies will be discovered when it is safe to reenter the building.
I’m not going to speculate on Stanford’s motives, but the pattern of attacks on churches go way beyond senseless.
Sadly, two more dead were found, these two may have succumbed to the fire, the Chief said these two were not shot.
Mearsheimer. Paid off by Putin or Qatar is my theory.
Does anyone besides me and her parents remember Secoriea Turner? She was an eight year old girl killed when her mother drove into the parking lot of the Wendy’s where Rayshard Brooks had been killed, not realizing that armed BLM thugs had declared the log to be “their” turf. The BLm thugs drove off the family with gunfire, and s round struck little Secoria, killing her.
Last Friday her killer was sentenced to life in prison, a mere five years and almost three months after little Secoria was murdered. What sent a chill up my back was a report that her killer still doesn’t think he did anything wrong.
Black Lives Matter to lefties, except for an eight year old black girl killed in black on black crime.
In an actual (not AI-generated) interview, Kamala Harris claims without evidence that babies were "crowd-surfed" through large gatherings at her speaking events.
https://youtu.be/oRSLSzu4dD8?feature=shared&t=2451s
"Invariably somebody would want me to take a picture or to hug their child. And someone in the back would hand that baby over through the crowd! ... I could get very emotional about it right now. But I believe that we should always feel that the children of the community are the children of the community. There was something so magical in many ways about that."
The top photo is special!
There’s an Instagram account officialrikashay performing all The Beatles songs alphabetically - one per day. An exceptional undertaking and their performances are faithful in every way. Today’s was Sexy Sadie; a revengeful Lennon tune which skewers the hypocrisy of their Maharishi (the original title and lyric before the lawyers got involved. lol)
Someone here--perhaps several someones--recommended Orlando Figes book "Natasha's Dance: A Cultural History of Russia."
I picked it up at the library the other day and do not regret it. It's excellent.
Thanks are due, so thanks someone(s).
Watching this movie "The African Queen" with big time movie stars Bogart and Hepburn.
Pretty good. Anyway, implied sex, with virginal Hepburn blissful next morning.
Brought to mind another Hepburn movie with same circumstance where she lost her virginity to Burt Lancaster.
The Rainmaker. Pretty good.
Was this a common thing in Hepburn movies?
@bagoh2o: So how do the same culprits keep getting reelected?
Inertia, plus "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" deals between politicians and local interest groups are hard to fight. People make only a handful of life decisions, such as college, marriage, children, HOMEOWNERSHIP, divorce, and retirement. Once they get to children and homeownership they don't want anything to change. Boxed in. Need security and predictability.
Politics and ideologies involve abstract ideals that are largely set by age 25. They are then back-burnered unless things get really dysfunctional (i.e., 2016 Trump; 2024 Democrat defectors). Businesses with long-term employees get similarly locked up, petty, and resistant to even superficial changes.
Portlanders and other blue city residents who live in the suburbs may never go downtown or encounter the problems. So, 75% of any city is "fine."
Re "Natasha's Dance", Figes - me, recommended several times. Found it on the racks at the late lamented Stacey's on Market St., SF.
Thanks rhhardin for recommending Adams and Drew and Gutfeld
I have married nieces with minor-aged children who live on the east side of Portland. They are fierce defenders of the city and are appalled that Trump is sending “storm troopers” to their safe, peaceful community.
Never mind that they’ve had their cars broken into while parked in front of their homes and recently found bullet holes in their mini-van.
Reddit Video: Larry Ellison, owner of Oracle, CBS, CNN, and now, TikTok wants global data centralization and total surveillance: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly watching & recording everything that's going on."
Are we scared yet?
Communists settle into a comfort zone. All they need is their Trump hate. What's a few bullet holes and stolen cars and.
I overheard a man talking to his mother about life in Denver. He said formerly secure parking garages were not safe anymore. mentioned 2 women being assaulted inside "secure" (you pay extra) Denver apt building parking garages.
Life under blue rule.
Feminists really don’t understand the war the left is waging against women.
Thanks buwaya!
Day 6 after knee replacement, and I kind of hit a wall - of fatigue, mostly. The nurse navigator warned me that days 4-8 could get rough because the nerve block would finally be entirely worn off while swelling was peaking, so I wasn't surprised. Sigh... just slogging through horrible 3x/day PT home exercises and taking naps as I can!
Probably it didn't help that yesterday we attended a friend's 50th birthday party, entailing about 2 1/2 hours in the car and the same at the party, trying to alternate regularly between sitting and walking. My watch gave me credit for about 3 miles' worth of steps yesterday, which might have been a little much, so I kept it down today and iced even more than I have been.
Tomorrow is another day!
Just came back from seeing One Battle After Another. Interesting film. Short version: Natural Born Killers meets Dr Strangelove meets 70s Clint Eastwood, maybe?
Of course, the heroes are revolutionaries whose manifesto seems to consist mostly of facilitating illegal immigration. And the villains are white anglo males of the MAGA persuasion. Still, I was entertained by Sean Penn as a cartoon paramilitary leader, kind of like the one played by Woody Harrelson in one of the Planet Of The Apes movies. He got himself jacked for this movie - seriously, his arms are as big around as my neck - but also is humble enough to allow a line that makes fun of him wearing a tight shirt and lifts in his shoes. So not that bad of a guy. Maybe he really is Jeff Spicolli.
And there are a lot of hot black women. Including a character called Junglepussy who walks along a bank counter in a miniskirt, waving a gun around. I was hoping to see her jungle pussy (or pussy jungle - either one).
DiCaprio is to be commended for finally playing a beat up old guy. His character also does some Archie Bunker-like whining about postmodern snowflake culture, which carries more weight since he is a leftie fugitive terrorist. Benicio del Toro may be the real star of this thing, though. He also has gleefully made the transition from sex symbol to rumpled dad. He's kind of an Hispanic Mr Wolf who calmly comes up with practical solutions for impossible situations. Which of course include protecting illegals from ICE.
Oh, and one of the Haim sisters has a brief role as a terrorist. Equal time for hot Jewish girls!
So I'd recommend the movie, even though it does promote wokery. At least it has the common decency to make its politics blatant and its heroes flawed. CC, JSM
Ayn Rand (b 1905) said she studied history and philosophy.
during 1920's would she have come across any equivalent of Natasha's Dance: A Cultural History of Russia.
Nice progress Jamie.
“So tonight I watched ‘All Is Lost’.” (Thanks to lonejustice at 7:19 pm.)
Wow, what a movie!
“So how do the same culprits keep getting reelected?
This is the case in numerous blue cities.”
Two words: Election Fraud. Often made possible with mail in voting. The usual suspect states are refusing to turn over their election roles to the FBI.
“The usual suspect states are refusing to turn over their election roles to the FBI.”
Weren’t elections “federalized”? Something about “critical infrastructure”?
See Mike Ben’s video
https://youtu.be/slzj1KkiN3M?si=kTZhVwJ6oRWpho5k
Gadfly, the map is not the territory and the picture is not the night sky.
@ Lem
That’s because their election role is cheating.
"Mearsheimer. Paid off by Putin or Qatar is my theory."
You mean the guy who has been getting everything right from the get go? And Qatar, which is supposed to be an American ally, given that we have a huge military base on their soil, in return for which, we promised to protect them from the very attacks that we sat back and watched?
All of the leaders in Europe are calling for war with Russia like so many Lithuanians, but the young men? No interest. The populations of those states? Baltics aside, no interest.
Still there is a good chance that German missiles, controlled by German technicians, are going to be used to strike Moscow, and then it will be Katy bar the door. I would be a lot happier if Fred Mertz there, In Germany, listened to his people more, instead of arresting his opposition on charges of... what, exactly? Being "un German"?
Sasha Stone's take on "One Battle" is worth a read.
One Battle After Another: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
quote:
Even if it does fail at the box office, it won’t be allowed to fail. It will be lauded with film awards, maybe even Oscars. Is it a good movie? It’s well-made. Is it funny? At times, yes. Some of the action sequences are great. The cinematography, the acting, and the directing are all top-notch. But as one of the audience reviewers put it on Rotten Tomatoes:
"if you are still wearing a mask in public, you will love it."
I dunno…the woman barking at the agent, we don’t see her fave, her likeness, no see or hear anything that would allow us to identify her and if we did we’d be invited to accept the idea she should never be identified, that she was entitled to anonymity…the Ellison quote, if you actually go find it relates
to police body cams and police on their best behavior because it’s all filmed…as will citizens interacting with police…this was easier when there were not professional ‘activists’ who now demand the right to commit crimes and/or harass law enforcement…
…just look at the giant web of stupid: paid instigators disrupting police activity because one political party is dying because of their stupid policies, so instead of changing the policies they pay to import over ten million new ‘voters’ to try and keep their party viable in elections…at any cost to civilization- no more rule of law, fearful citizens, political polarization paid for mostly by a crazy wall of entities floating on treasury debt…
Mormon Church murderer a former Marine nd was shown in a Trump 2020 shirt and apparently had a trump flag in his front yard. some Reddit commenters think that this was revenge on Mormons for the Charlie Kirk killing.
No doubt it is all the dangerous rhetoric spouted by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republican extremists.
The comments are both are a mix of information gleaned off the internet and wild ass speculation meant to mock the conspiracy theory nutballs who want to blame society and not individuals for crime.
Show a picture of Jupiter to a person, they may find it interesting. Let them peer at it through the eyepiece of telescope and they're amazed! And that's an adult. The effect on children is nothing but astonishing, and just the beginning of what could be an adventure that last a lifetime.
Prof, you changed the masthead motto to Justice Thomas's description of precedent! Nice. CC, JSM
Cowboys are easy to dislike. Seeing Jerry Jones’s mug on TV during every game is tiresome. When was the last time you saw an owner during a game?
It’s a small world. The chairman of the Des Moines school board, Jackie Norris, was / is a big defender and proponent of the illegal alien superintendent. Her previous job? Chief of staff for …………. Michelle Obama.
…the Iowa talk reminds me Ann and the winning amount of leftie caucus goers wanted bootie keg but the powers somehow forgot how to count votes, then something something abracadabra poof! Joe’s our man!
“… revenge on Mormons for the Charlie Kirk killing.”
I may be wrong, but my observation is that in Utah there is a counter culture of people who were raised in the LDS church but no longer practice or believe, among which there’s a competition to show how much they’re NOT adhering to the religion and practices in which they were fostered in their youth. I can’t say for sure but Ihave wondered if it wasn’t that very competition that led to murder.
the league office loves it some big scoops of HOF owner Jerry Jones. I enjoy him, year after year trying to apply the Steinbrenner model in a world where analytics dominates. I try to guess how far in to the season we get to watch Jerry squirm at the annual presser where he tries to account for yet another failed season….
The best part of the Cowboys continual failures is not only is Jerry Jones the owner, he’s the GM too.
…yah it’s pretty much all on him and that ten cent head of his…
@Quayle: in Utah there is a counter culture of people who were raised in the LDS church but no longer practice or believe
Indeed. In any heavily religious community there are die-hard rebels and the opposite too. Some people really, truly don't believe or wish to follow a given set of church rules but can't break away emotionally. They constantly justify, rationalize, bemoan, and react to the rules. The Italians are said to be cynical about the Catholic chuch, per its long history of corruption and scandals.
Satanic imagey and theming became a thing in rock & roll, pop-art, and tattoos by the 1970s. When based on the Christian Devil or Satan, it could not exist other than as a reaction to the pre-existing content of Christianity.
Sill, chuches mainly serve as a thin coat of paint on routine human violence and crime. Antisocial personalities and psychopaths are universal and find ways to do their thing with or without religion. All "love your neighbor" Christian cultures may mitigate violence relative to some other religions and secular cultures too.
Cowboys have come a long way since they were “America’s Team.” Downhill.
The whole family was gathered at my younger son’s house yesterday. He is a Ravens fan and both daughters-in-law practically bleed Ravens purple. On an early play we saw five Ravens defenders miss tackles on the same play, and the three of them lost interest in the game after that.
we know now, this was the Old Gods entering in to the old world, Satanism doesn't require self sacrifice in its many forms,
so in the glitchy simulation department, the Superbowl has put someone who can't sing, in their half time show, hilarious
So…
In Grand Blanc, a Trump supporter, Maga, a rightist, Charlie Kirk devotee, evangelical Christian nationalist who said Mormon’s were the anti-Christ, an anti vaxxer, Iraq war veteran with two big American flags on the back of his truck, rammed his truck into a church and murdered unknown number of Mormons in possible retribution for the Charlie Kirk murder.
If I were to follow the lead of Achilles and other commenters here and now blame ALL people on the right for this heinous crime I’d have sunk to their level. If I were to say at every chance I got how rightists were unAmerican and violent because of this attack on Mormons I’d have sunk to their level, if I were to say how rightists don’t deserve Constitutional rights and protections because of this Trump supporter shot and burned alive innocent Mormons in their own house of worship, I’d have sunk to their level so I’ll try not to because it would be WRONG to blame every rightist for this, wouldn’t it?
It’s going to be much harder for the right to blame every single person on the left for ALL political violence going forward and not have this murderous fiend thrown back in their faces. Many on the left won’t tolerate the blame for Kirk’s death anymore. That time is over. With all the calls for retribution for Kirk’s death, it’s now happened and it was one of their own who did it.
Back in the mid 1980s we lived in the high desert of Owens Valley. My son was probably 3 and a half years old. We had a pair of binoculars for looking at the moon and we had a cheap Kmart telescope for looking at Saturn and Jupiter. The first time you saw the craters on the moon about s*** his pants jumping up and down. Then he was able to see the rings on Saturn the moons of Jupiter and the red spot.
The map is definitely not the terrain. There's nothing like a direct connection with the universe whether it's through a microscope holding it in your hands or a telescope.
Imagine the difference between looking at the heavens through a high-powered telescope and viewing astronomical photographs is the difference between making love to a beautiful woman and masturbating to pornography.
It's always amazing how a wanker likes to brag
"Big Mike said...
Cowboys have come a long way since they were “America’s Team.” Downhill."
A tie is as good as a loss. Bear down!
The Packers are my fantasy team defense. Gave up 40 points. That Parsons guy made quite a difference.
Yeah they're called Jack Mormons.
Netflix has a pretty decent documentary of the Cowboys aborted dynasty in the 90s. Jerry Jones was a brilliant Maverick wildcatter who took a huge gamble to purchase the team then fire Tom Landry and hire his best friend to coach the team then fired him after two super bowl victories. It's a great story.
Inga, don't get your hopes up. Just watch the right we'll figure out how to blame the Michigan Mormon tragedy on leftists woke culture and transgenderism. Or as Tim Dillon calls it Trantifa.
If I were to follow the lead....
Is just a backhanded way of doing exactly what you claim not to be doing.
There's nothing like a direct connection
Indeed. But this is Botfly, so you can’t expect it to make a direct connection and experience the real world, much less the universe. You can expect Botfly to tell you how to live based on its artificial experience.
A tie is as good as a loss.
It keeps the Cowboys out of last place in the NFC East. For now.
“It’s going to be much harder for the right to blame every single person on the left for ALL political violence going forward and not have this murderous fiend thrown back in their faces.“
The right isn’t blaming every single person on the left for political violence against the right. We’re only blaming the people on the left who are spouting irrational extreme rhetoric against the right like we’re all Nazis, Hitler, slave patrols, threats to democracy, etc. You’re not all doing that.
The MI attack was horrible and contemptible, just like every other domestic terrorist event has been over time, from left or right.
well hes just a jackass, not a particularly clever one, just drop the url of what ever tripe you are citing,
Tit for tat is a zero-sum game. It's exactly what the financial and technological oligarchs want us useful idiot peons to do.
we won't forget the tick tock dancers, who sang their screeds like dyspeptic walkers from the walking dead,
Law and Order debuted with a segment calling ICE enablers of rapists, like last year they were on team Mangione, and the year before that, Team Hamas,
on the biggesh screen, Paul Anderson's latest effort is an attempt to rehabilitate Occupy violence, ostensibly its the Pynchon tale, Vineland, telescoped to now,
It’s going to be much harder for the right to blame every single person on the left for ALL political violence going forward and not have this murderous fiend thrown back in their faces.
And that's what it's all about. We finally got our comeuppance, hmm?
I don't blame "every single person on the left" for "ALL political violence." I blame the perpetrators of violence for the violence they perpetrate. But I don't excuse the people who celebrate the violence for their reaction. And I definitely see a link between a lot of political violence and the decade-long mantra that we're living through 1930s Germany - isn't anybody going to do something?!?
You have tried to equate Trump's "enemy from within" with many prominent Democrat and media figures' "Trump is another Hitler,." "Trump supporters are Nazis," "this or that event was exactly like a Nazi rally," "let us count the ways that Trump and Hitler are exactly alike," "see how fascism descends on us," isn't ANYBODY going to do SOMETHING?!?
""Enemy from within" doesn't evoke the Holocaust; it barely evokes a reaction at all - it's semantically milquetoast. But everything prominent Democrats and the media say about Trump very deliberately evokes the Holocaust. "Never again," remember? We - or "we," our proxies in time - swore it. Do you really not see the difference?
(Cue the high dudgeon.)
“We’re only blaming the people on the left who are spouting irrational extreme rhetoric against the right like we’re all Nazis, Hitler, slave patrols, threats to democracy, etc.”
Um… NO, that isn’t true. All one has had to do is read the comments sections here on the Althouse blog. Since Kirk’s death Achilles and many others here have blamed every single leftist for Kirk’s death. Let’s not pretend otherwise. People who have been blaming ALL people on the left for Kirk’s death will have to hear some unpleasant truths now that one of their own has committed these murders of innocent Mormon worshippers. Sorry, but MAGAs don’t get to slide away from this one.
According to OregonLive, rapper Ice Cube’s tour bus unfortunately caught fire in Portland. Firefighters responded and the fire was put out.
That’s a strange way to report the incident while including Ice Cube’s response, “I’m not taking this incident as a personal attack. A coward like that would burn anybody’s property that was out there at the time.”
You see, the bus didn’t just catch fire. It was set on fire. It was a deliberate attack by a person. Yet, OregonLive doesn’t report the attack.
Achilles, Achilles, Achilles and the many here who didn’t speak up when he blamed every single leftist for Charlie Kirk’s death. Shame on you.
cuafter that terrible war of the worlds film Ice Cube has to make some money back, but yeah Raccoon city news,
Gadfly - why doesn’t it surprise me that you don’t enjoy hands on astronomy. I was out taking photos of Saturn and Jupiter last night. There is something to seeing these objects hands on that inspires wonder. My photos are shit compared to those of Hubble and Webb. But I had the satisfaction of generating them myself.
where they mortarred the Courthouse for 90 days,
Achilles, Achilles, Achilles and the many here who didn’t speak up when he blamed every single leftist for Charlie Kirk’s death. Shame on you.
That's right, silence is violence, isn't it? Are you ready to break your violence on the decade of all those prominent Democrats and media figures who have called all Trump supporters "Nazis," "fascists," "thugs," or - here's the one you actively join in, another high-semantic-value word that evokes Manson - "cultists"?
Several commenters explicitly state they don’t blame everyone on the left for heinous attacks on innocent people. They make clear, they blame those that specifically call people on the right terms meant to dehumanize people with differing opinions and also those people that celebrate the attacks, because the attacks are made on people previously dehumanized.
In comes Inga to say it is not true, you only need to read the comment that states otherwise to know Inga isn’t the one lying. Then Inga claims a man with obvious mental problems “one of their own”.
She’s not a hypocrite. Inga is just a person filled with hate. She hates everyone that disagrees with her, and she doesn’t care if they are put in jail or shot. She just hates them.
All over Twitter/X…
MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians.
Thanks Narr for bringing up Natasha's Dance (I missed the original recommendation) and buwaya for making it in the first place. I'll check it out.
I've never had a desire to travel to Russia, but I do have an interest in Russian history and culture. I'm always looking for insight into the Russian tendency to self-destruction, especially when compared with the equally Russian capacity for making beautiful art.
Inga said...MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians.
Now? MAGA? You really don't pay attention to the world beyond your little internet gotchas, do you?
We search in vain for any posts justifying, mitigating or excusing, much less celebrating, the terrorist attack on the LDS church. Don't try to slither, you won't get away with it here.
“She’s not a hypocrite. Inga is just a person filled with hate. She hates everyone that disagrees with her… She just hates them.”
Trump proudly said that he hates his opponents and doesn’t wish them well. MAGAs were just fine with this, some at the Kirk memorial even cheered when he said this.
So… who is the hypocrite?
ignarants™ are an amusing way to start one’s day.
Witness teh Insanity.
Inga said…
It’s going to be much harder for the right to blame every single person on the left for ALL political violence going forward and not have this murderous fiend thrown back in their faces.
Hasn’t the criticism been of those — especially political leaders — on the left and whose inciteful rhetoric has justified such acts, both before and after the crimes, not “every single person” on the left? Assuming you are correct about the killer’s motives, a prominent conservative declaring church going Mormons Nazis would be the parallel wouldn’t it?
its a very interesting culture, i remember I was on a reading program that included some Tolstoy, and Lermontov, even Bely's St Petersburg I can't admit to have fully read War and Peace, as I did read Grossman's work, but I'm familiar with it,
“Now? MAGA? You really don't pay attention to the world beyond your little internet gotchas, do you?”
Ohhhh? So you admit MAGAs don’t consider Mormons Christians? Trump in his Truth Social yesterday said there was an “attack on Christians” happening. So is he wrong to consider Mormons Christians? You gave yourself away.
like Ibogaine in small doses, iman, or like the Good Prosecutor, you become what you beheld,
great new epigraph:
"something somebody dreamt up and others went along with"
Bely's St Petersburg illuminates the Social Revolutionary mindset in the failed revolution of 1905,
"Show a picture of Jupiter to a person, they may find it interesting. Let them peer at it through the eyepiece of telescope and they're amazed! And that's an adult. The effect on children is nothing but astonishing, and just the beginning of what could be an adventure that last a lifetime."
This would be especially true if they were able to see some of Jupiter's moons at the same time. I was about 50 when I saw that and it blew me away!
the protagonist is the son of a Interior Minister, modeled on the ones that served Czar Nicholas in the final years of his reign,
there is a thinly disguised Azev, who was the deputy of the SR's and the lead agent for the Okrana,
love and fate, I can't say it was entertaining but very illuminating
Inga, you have a habit of getting ahead of yourself. My advice is, stop digging. You're desperate to prove a point you are not sure of. Think of all those panicked deletions you've had to chase in the past.
Lawnerd said...
I was awe struck the first time I found Saturn with three of its moons with my 8 inch infinity cheap ass reflector.
something somebody dreamt up and others went along with
it is important to know about other cultures and their literature, our enemies are certainly aware of hours, an example awlaki, the American born Yemeni preacher for AQ, spent time in the Prison library where he was allowed to read all sorts of literature including Western classics like Melville,
now if you want to be completely misinformed read the Times, and you won't whats going on or why?
Look at Inga, positively gleeful and dancing on the people of my faith who were killed, burned to death.
And Inga's claims don't make sense. Why would anyone upset at Kirk's death attack members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Kirk's shooter wasn't a member of the Church. He had been raised in the Church... but very, very clearly had left the Church and its teachings, rebelling about as much as you could. A Judas character, at best. Why would anyone sane blame the Church for Kirk's death? Indeed, Kirk had just gotten done praising the Church barely a couple of minutes prior to his death at the hands of one of Inga's crazed leftists.
There are two possibilities: either this was not someone on the right, just pretending to be on the right. Or, that person was mislead by all of the people on the left like Inga trying to claim that Kirk's murderer was a faithful member of the Church.
So if this that second option, I hold Inga and her ilk responsible for their lies, their misinformation, and their hatred that spread anti-LDS hate trying to blame the Church for Kirk's murder instead of their own culpability.
Meanwhile, Inga, will you shut your trap for once and have a teeny bit of respect for the dead as they bring out more dead children, burned to death from someone infected by your side's hatred?
Affirmative action to entertain abortive ideation is a progressive condition exercised with liberal license to relieve "burdens". It was his Choice sanctioned by DEIsm (i.e. institutional, systemic class-disordered ideologies) and a Pro-Choice religion. There are diverse precedents.
I also note that while Inga and her fellow leftists are dancing on the still warm bodies of those members of my faith who were killed, she has zero to say about the over 50,000 Christians murdered by Inga's favorite barbarians, the Muslims, in Nigeria over the last few years. Those Christians are worthless to her.... but she's all over here trying to pretend to be the great Defender of the Faith by allegedly defending "Mormons" from the "evil Christians" she hates so much.
at a certain point, it's not worthy to talk to demons, they have revealed themselves, just let us go on our way, but it is their nature to lie to omit to stain the reputations of good men and women,
Human rites (e.g. selective-child, one-child, no-Jews, warlock trials, virgin sacrifices, “burden” relief) in Diversity (i.e. class-disordered) culture is a wicked solution with far-left precedents, are performed for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress. #LoveTrumpsHate #HateLovesAbortion
“Meanwhile, Inga, will you shut your trap for once and have a teeny bit of respect for the dead as they bring out more dead children, burned to death from someone infected by your side's hatred?”
Did you shut your trap when Kirk was killed or did you go along with most rightists and blame ALL leftists? This MAGA man Sanford, said that Mormons were of the Antichrist. Maybe you should back away from your MAGA cult and embrace your fellow Mormons in this sad time.
I blame all Commie leftests ……. those that support the Commies in DC exhorting their “troops” to take action (read: violence). And that is you Inga! Get rid of Newsom, Crockett, Maxine, Tlaib.
Top photo is a thing of rare beauty. Bottom one looks like a good place to hide a body. IMO, of course.
Some, select black lives matter on one hand. More lives matter since Trump came to office. And Black Lives Matter umbrella corporation... a wicked Choice, a liberal progression.
its an addiction like those that gazed upon the basilisk though they would be turned to stone,
On the right? Libertarian? Far-right is anarchist. The left-right nexus is leftist. #HateLovesAbortion
“BURTON, Mich. — A Burton City Council candidate says he unknowingly spoke with the man accused of opening fire inside a Grand Blanc Township church and setting it on fire, killing two people and injuring eight others.
“In an exclusive interview with journalist Dave Bondy, candidate Kris Johns said he met Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40, of Burton, while canvassing last week for his campaign. Johns said the interaction began friendly but quickly took a dark turn when Sanford started talking about religion.
“I’m running for city council and I was canvassing,” Johns said. “I came across a gentleman who was very friendly. We just started to talk, and after a short while the conversation went to the Church of Latter-day Saints. He made the position multiple times that Mormons are the anti-Christ.”
https://davebondy.substack.com/p/exclusive-burton-city-council-candidate
Our resident dullard thinks she has the pulse of military members, because her daughter was a Navy nurse. She thinks she knows how conservatives think, because she lives in Waukesha. And this and others despite the fact that she is almost universally wrong about everything she pukes up here, and has unwavering confidence.
I can only speak for myself, but as the 3rd great grandson of the first Bishop in the LDS church, the 2nd great grandson of a church president, and the great grandson of a member of the first presidency, I am happy to declare that my politics is the Book of Mormon, and what is contained therein.
And I feel as Joseph Smith did, who said: "If it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a "Mormon," I am bold to declare before Heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves. It is a love of liberty which inspires my soul — civil and religious liberty to the whole of the human race."
It is the spirit of trampling that I oppose. The spirit of heavy-handed coercion, endless dispute, and lack of respect for others. This is what I oppose.
Just like I predicted upthread:
Vance said...
There are two possibilities: either this was not someone on the right, just pretending to be on the right. Or, that person was mislead by all of the people on the left like Inga trying to claim that Kirk's murderer was a faithful member of the Church.
So if this that second option, I hold Inga and her ilk responsible for their lies, their misinformation, and their hatred that spread anti-LDS hate trying to blame the Church for Kirk's murder instead of their own culpability.
Inga, do you know who does the most attacks on members of my faith? Your side. Your side attacks our churches, our temples, our people. It's your bigoted hateful LGBT crowd who beats members of my faith, who invades and graffiti's our chapels and temples; who get members of my faith fired from their jobs and driven out of their homes.
We members of the Church have always had to deal with those other Christians who are mistakenly mislead and attack us. That is not new; and will unfortunately always be here. Indeed, the first prophet, Joseph Smith, and several of the early church leaders were killed by our 'fellow Christians."
The difference is now you are here, trying to blame all Republicans and all Trump voters for this massacre. Well, guess you personally shot up that Catholic Church like your. good trans buddy did. Glad to know you take the blame, since you are so gleeful about collective guilt all of the sudden.
Not too far away from me is the Orem Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. People who listen to you tried to burn it down years ago, Inga, while it was being built. And do you know what the reaction from local leftists was? Sorrow that the arson attack didn't work.
Now you come prancing in on your high horse and try to blame this violence on all Republicans, when I live in Utah and I see the violence that is routinely directed at the Church and Church members... the vast majority of it coming from people like you, Inga. People on the left. Charlie Kirk's murderer was a former member of the Church who was radicalized by leftists just like you, Inga. It was your doctrines, your beliefs, your political side that radicalized the Kirk murderer. And now you are trying to blame my church for that? You are demonic.
Kris Burton Candidate Says He Spoke With Grand Blanc Church Shooter Days Before Deadly Attack
“Now you come prancing in on your high horse and try to blame this violence on all Republicans..”
No, I’m not blaming ALL rightists because I won’t sink to your level. I don’t blame ALL rightists. Too bad you can’t say the same.
Gemini AI Says:
Yes, many evangelical Christians consider the Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to be a heretical group because its core doctrines diverge significantly from those of historical, mainstream Christianity. Key issues include differing views on the nature of God, the divinity of Jesus, the authority of the Bible, and the necessity of extra-biblical scripture, such as the Book of Mormon.
“ I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Who said that? Jesus. No other way.
Oh, this is rich: Howard is just figuring out that evangelical Christianity doesn't like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Yes, Howard, I know. Believe me, I know. So does Quayle, the other poster here who is a member of the Church. I routinely pass by their protestors outside of significant Church events.
But while we disagree, the violence has dramatically dipped as most Christians have recognized that while, say, Baptists and Mormons disagree theologically, the true enemy is the followers of Ba'al and Moloch and other demons that the left worships.
Think of Evangelicals and Mormons much like the Jews and the Samaritains... we aren't really fond of each other, but the Jews much prefer Samaratians over followers of Astarte.
Also, I note that in Inga's haste to blame every MAGA person on the planet, she is curiously not volunteering to take the blame for her side's firebombing of busses in Portland. Why not, Inga? Your love of collective guilt and all that....
“ MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians.”
Very deceiving. SOME MAGAs might claim that. Many/most do not. Plenty of Mormons are MAGA. And I have never heard as many Christmas carols than when I lived in SLC. The name of the church is “The Church of Jesus Christ, of the Latter Day Saints”. Which is to say, mainstream Protestant with an additional book of revelations tacked on.
But, yes, some Christians don’t believe that Mormons are Christians because of that. But then some Protestants don’t believe that Roman Catholics are Christians because of their made up (non-scriptural) additions to their theology (e.g. “sacred traditions”), as well as their idolatry and polytheism (Saints, etc), priestly caste, Papacy, and Papal infallibility. No doubt, many RC believe that about Protestants, because of their rejection of these things. We fought to the death over these differences for neigh on 400 years. During the 19th Century, Mormons faced that in this country maybe more than any other sect. Luckily, that is mostly behind us now.
QED
“Also, I note that in Inga's haste to blame every MAGA person on the planet…”
Vance, maybe it’s time to step back from your MAGA cultism and see that it goes against your Mormon faith. Plus, I’m not even blaming EVERY MAGA person for this massacre of innocent Mormons, YOUR people, because I’m better than you.
Catholics not Christians? Mormons not Christians? See my brief comment above. It’s pretty clear.
Well said, Bruce Hayden, @9:11am.
“Catholics not Christians? Mormons not Christians? See my brief comment above. It’s pretty clear.”
I consider them Christians, many evangelical Christians don’t though.
Who gives a rip, igna.
“Also, I note that in Inga's haste to blame every MAGA person on the planet, she is curiously not volunteering to take the blame for her side's firebombing of busses in Portland. Why not, Inga? Your love of collective guilt and all that....”
Also note the timing of her statement tonight that “MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians”, a day after a Mormon church was shot up by a leftist anti-MAGA terrorist, and innocent worshippers murdered. She’s essentially saying that God fearing Christians (and Jews) shouldn’t be upset about those murders because those killed and wounded were just Mormon, who aren’t MAGA (and not Christians). The corollary to that is that we can have open season on Muzzies, because they don’t even think that they are Christians (and we have been defending against their attempts to convert us by violence for 1400 years now).
Quien es mas Santo, LDS o Pentecost?
For your consideration:
igna: a cancer or crusader?
“She’s essentially saying that God fearing Christians (and Jews) shouldn’t be upset about those murders because those killed and wounded were just Mormon, who aren’t MAGA (and not Christians).”
Are you insane? I’m saying the exact opposite.
“Quien es mas Santo, LDS o Pentecost?”
God is the Judge. He’s a loving God, so he’ll forgive us confused humans.
Douchebag or Diva?
Demented or Delovely?
Inag - do f off. You only show up to lie about maga and spread mis-information you heard on msnbc. Save your croc tears for blue sky - where you should reside.
Inga, don't you get it? No one buys your "Ha, it's the icky Maga folks who are the true villains and anti-Mormons! Us saintly leftists are the righteous ones here, unlike those MAGA villains!"
Maybe the guy who did this was a "hardcore MAGA person." Maybe not. There's still lots of unknowns, and most of us recognize that the left ALWAYS claims it is right wing violence... until it isn't, and then the left goes silent until next time. And if this guy was MAGA and attacked.... it wasn't because of politics. It was religious. So your attempts to score points against "The MAGA" is doomed to failure, since that isn't the reason this guy would attack a church.
On the other hand, your side hates Christians as a political doctrine, and your LGBT "friends" especially hate Christian churches. They do, in fact, attack Christian churches as a matter of politics. Like Jane's Revenge... a group you are very quiet about, yet a leftist terror group that committed at least 70 arson attacks on Catholic churches in one year since Roe was overturned. That's political attacks... and how many leftists apologized? About... zero.
if this guy was Maga, his politics made no impact on his attack on the Church of Jesus Christ. As compared to when your side shoots up a Christian school and kills kids.
I also note that is the left who is suddenly trying to fan the flames of the evangelical/Mormon divide. Not, you know, the evangelicals or the Mormons.
People like Inga, in short, and Howard. I assume TeaBagHag and the rest will be along shortly to try to push their claims of "They hate each other so that's why they kill each other unlike us tolerant, loving Atheists who just want all of them rounded up!"
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I MUCH prefer living in a country with a dominant Evangelical culture versus the leftist dream of the Soviet Union.
I’m not a Christian of any stripe, but do try to live like one. I’m not in favor of killing anyone, even insurance executives. The guy was a nut.
Remember- Inag shows Up after every leftist assassination ATTEMPT or actual ASSASSINATION- to insist they are REGISTED REPUBLICANS. (maga) Groypers ...Boogaloo - fake facebook photos... whatever BS desperate thread she can grasp.
She does this in her ghoulish Soviet way - each and every time. Inag deserves nothing but a fuck off leftist wanker.
Critical Diversity Theory (CDT) allows us to judge people in blocs, by the color of their skin, for one, by their trimester in evolution, for another. It's a selfie-aborting umbrella ideology. Something wicked this way progresses.
Inga said...
All over Twitter/X…
MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians.
Despite what some others said above, they aren't. They don't believe in the Holy Trinity- Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as one. Three in one. One of the mysteries of faith. And it's not just Evangelicals and MAGAs who don't consider them Christian, it's mainstream theologists. Trump, BTW, isn't a theologist.
One of the core beliefs of Christianity is belief in the Holy Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) as one entity. LDS reject that. They're not the only church to do so. And those that reject that belief are not Christian no matter how much they insist they are.
It doesn't make them bad people- just not Christian. Since they claim to be Christian, but aren't, you could use the loaded word "heretic".
A "burden" is a "burden" of course, of course, they bray.
If any of these creeps are registered D's - it's all cool.
Mangioni - all cool.
If anyone is a registered R - that makes it Trump's fault directly.
Because Boogaloo fraud-Soviet - says so.
All over Twitter/X…
MAGAs now claiming that Mormons aren’t Christians.
Just fuck you - Inag. Fuck you.
“They hate each other so that's why they kill each other unlike us tolerant, loving Atheists…”
I am not now nor ever was an atheist. I’m a Christian, was raised in the Assemblies of God church, then stepped away and became a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran, then stepped away again and am just a Christian, imperfect and human.
Vance: " I live in Utah and I see the violence that is routinely directed at the Church and Church members"
Yes, that is proof of LDS's sense of fair play - you guys could easily have played with ballots to keep yourselves in power.
And the damned 14th Amendment, keeping states from establishing state churches.
The other side always figures out how to use our own rules against us. CC, JSM
Well said Vance Just ignore the intolerant hate monger Inga. She isn't worth replying to. She is full of hate.
"I am not now nor ever was an atheist. I’m a Christian,"
Then TRY acting like one for once.
Gospace: "One of the core beliefs of Christianity is belief in the Holy Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) as one entity.... those that reject that belief are not Christian no matter how much they insist they are."
So that rules out Arians, Nestorians, and arguably the Oriental Orthodox Monophysites? And quite possibly the original 11 apostles plus Paul, since Trinitarian doctrine was not codified until after their deaths - it's not explicitly stated in the New Testament, for example. So we don't know exactly what they thought. I have never seen what benefit any Christian sect gets from calling another sect non-Christian. Even the men of Athens got congratulated rather than castigated by Paul. CC, JSM
The Democratic cult leftists were angry after Crooks - a 20 year old who was in a BlackRock AD - missed killing Trump.
They all built a conspiracy lie-structure around that.
The collective left do not give a crap about the Murder of Cory Comperatore - not one word.
The collective left celebrated the cold blooded assassination of a health care executive.
The collective left celebrated and still celebrate -the death of Charlie Kirk.
The leftwing Soviet collective left lie about all assassination motives and base ideologies. MAGA are to blame - no matter what.
They lie about Paul Pelosi's attacker. Because they do not care about Paul Pelosi- they only care about a lie and manufactured narrative. and that lie is always used to blame MAGA. Trump did it.
The democrats in MN - viciously murdered by a trained killer - a killer with associations to Tim Walz - that too gets blamed on Trump. After everyone condemned the killing - the left lie and say we didn't.
Inga is a Biden foot soldier. She deserves nothing but a giant FU.
"most of us recognize that the left ALWAYS claims it is right wing violence... until it isn't, and then the left goes silent until next time."
Ain't that the truth?
Inga, are you pro abortion?
Apparently the LDS attack was over a custody dispute. If so, not politically motivated at all. We shall see.
btw- Hating on Mormons comes in all directions. I'd say the left more so for sure, but also the right.
I don't have a god in this fight, but FWIW I worked closely with some Mormons on various projects and found them generally kind, tolerant, and hard-working.
Of course I could say the same about most of the other POF I worked with, and those of no F at all.
Maybe it's the culture of the Southland.
Only Christ gets to affirm which individual person is a true cross-bearing Christian following Him. Not the "mainstream" scholars, preachers for money, or anyone else with a bible and an opinion. Whenever God's people have gone astray, he always calls and sends a messenger to call them back, with the authority to say "Thus sayeth the Lord." The LDS message to the Christian world is that God has sent and is sending just such messengers right now. And all you need is the faith to test the word - to even consider that it might be true. All the other signs and indicators are there, and I'm pretty sure that you know it.
And how joyful it will be when you recognize, in the extremity of the last days that are coming to us all, that God already sent "Joseph" ahead long before the need was manifest. As soon as the U.S. Constitution was established to protect the fledgling plant, God started the work. Joseph Smith spoke to the Christian world and said that he had dreams and visions, and they killed him for it - they sold him into slavery into Egypt, so to speak. But what he started remained and is increasing in scope and strength. When the famine of the word finally overtakes you, then you will realize, with great joy and weeping for us all, that God and Christ already prepared the storehouse of the word necessary to sustain His people through the last days.
Or did you think that God and Christ would lead their people through the last days without prophets to lead them?
To paraphrase Kimmel, "Inga is desperately trying to characterise this guy who murdered some Mormons as anything other than one of her own, and doing everything she can to score political points from it."
Mormons believe that Jesus was the son of God, the Christ in Christianity who offers redemption to people of faith and follow the precepts of the religion (i.e. behavioral protocol or model).
Thank you Quayle and n.n., by the way.
Charlie Kirk should not have been murdered. I feel badly for his family and anyone who speaks publicly and now feels vulnerable
But my thoughts are reserved for the well being and safety and civil rights of those who were put on Kirks professor watch list. Like those who lost their job, or have had to leave their homes, or who have been driven out of their state, and who cannot earn a living because their free speech was cut off by this list that has led to threats by his followers.
The right wants to make Kirk a martyr — but a martyr who marginalizes others and half the country is not a hero to me.
john mosby said...
Gospace: "One of the core beliefs of Christianity is belief in the Holy Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) as one entity.... those that reject that belief are not Christian no matter how much they insist they are."
So that rules out Arians, Nestorians, and arguably the Oriental Orthodox Monophysites?
Well, yes.
Of course, since this has devolved into a theological discussion, we must recall Heinlein's words, mostly paraphrased since it's from memory: "It's impossible for any two people to have a rational discussion on religion since all religion is based on faith."
I was baptized Methodist. I can become an adult convert to the Roman Catholic Church without being baptized- my one baptism is recognized by them. LDS must be baptized into the RC Church- their baptism isn't recognized. All of the mainstream Christian Churches can trace an unbroken line of succession of their clergy back to one of the apostles- usually intersecting with the Roman Church at one point. A lot of the independent "Christian" churches of today have self proclaimed pastors never ordained by any denomination. This appears to be one of these: https://www.cityofgodworldprayercenter.org/
I can find no information on ordination of the pastor. Interestingly they are located in Palmyra NY, home of the LDS. Seems a lot of the USA's homegrown religions came from CNY where I now live. Maybe it's something in the water... Anyhow, their website does describe what appear to be mainstream Protestant beliefs. Some would argue without an unbroken line of succession they are not Christian- I'm undecided on that.
So your beliefs on who is or isn't Christian are as valid- or invalid- as mine. One of those many things on which "We agree to disagree" is the best way to go. Don't believe in the Holy Trinity? You're not Christian. And my opinion is shared by many.
The left's heroes are George Floyd and the Rosenbergs. The rights heroes are Audie Murphy and Charlie Kirk.
Which set of heroes are better?
Also: The "Holy Trinity" as a concept is essentially the Nicene Creed.
To say you cannot be a True Christian without believeing in the Nicene Creed rules out all the Christians prior to that point, who clearly did not believe in the doctrine espoused in that creed.
If I reject the Nicene Creed, I can yet claim to be a Christian, Gospace. And Jesus Himself said that the Father is greater than He was... so Jesus rejected the Nicene Creed. Would that make Him not a Christian?
"and doing everything she can to score political points from it."
For the left, everything is about politics.
Who is Pastor Mark Driscoll?
“Driscoll has used his platform on social media and his podcast to rally Christian voters for Trump. In October 2024, he publicly encouraged his followers to vote for Trump, noting that Trump is "surrounded with some wonderful believers" who could guide him in his faith.”
What did Driscoll say about Mormons?
“Pastor Mark Driscoll has repeatedly stated that he considers Mormonism, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), to be a cult and a "demonic deception," not a valid form of Christianity. He has publicly claimed that the Book of Mormon is "pure fiction" and that the angel Moroni was a demon.
Key statements
Mormonism as a "demonic cult": Driscoll has described Mormonism as a "demonic cult" that is "not Christianity, it's not even close". He stated on X (formerly Twitter) that "There will be zero Mormons in Heaven. It is a demonic cult. A literal demon is on the top of every Mormon building".
Theologically distinct: He distinguishes between the sociological definition of a cult and a "theological" one, asserting that Mormonism's significant deviations from historic Christian orthodoxy, particularly on the nature of God and salvation, make it a theological cult.
The LDS Jesus is a "false god": Driscoll argues that Mormons worship a "false god," not the "real God of the Bible". He adds that calling Mormons "brothers and sisters in a common faith" would diminish the importance of "lovingly speaking with Mormons about the errors of their belief".
The Book of Mormon is "fiction": In February 2025, Driscoll posted that the Book of Mormon is "pure fiction," has "zero historical basis," and was "inspired by a demon".
The "Jezebel spirit": In April 2024, Driscoll was escorted off stage at a Christian conference after claiming that a sword-swallowing performance was a platform for the "Jezebel spirit," a demon he has also linked to Mormonism and promoted in a book.”
Of course I don’t buy into MAGA Pastor Driscoll’s version of Christianity and point out his demonization of Mormons.
Well said, Quayle @11:17am.
When the Man comes around…
Spot on, Vance @9:41am!
It's one of Figes' points in "Natashas Dance" and "A People's Tragedy" that the extremity of sub-cultural hatred (on the part of the intelligentsia) was a proximate cause of the real, unprecedented tragedies of the Revolution, the Civil War, and the endless rounds of purges. The intellectual climate itself was apparently a self-sustaining, independent actor on the Russian socio-political stage. As it is in the US today, where masses of presumably intelligent people are driven to hate their neighbors by - a poisonous mileu.
If there is a hero in Figes' tales, its probably Dostoevsky.
As far as I, a Catholic, am concerned, the lot of you (most of you) are a gang of heretics. Which is fine, I'm a tolerant sort, used to being a stranger in a strange land.
When some atrocity or horror happens there are people who thing "I hope, I hope, I hope the perp isn't on my side" and people who jump to the conclusion that the perp is on the other side. As with Democrats who talk about the precedent Trump is supposedly creating prosecuting Comey, memories are short with the latter group.
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Comey is a very, very strange man. How did he become the director of our secret police?
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The strange thing about the Russian Revolution is that the Social Revolutionaries (SRs) were the terrorists, killing tsarist officials across the country. The Bolsheviks robbed banks to get money, but concentrated on organization. Yet when SR Kerensky was in charge of the country he tried to abide by democratic procedures. Lenin and the Bolsheviks, who had generally avoided individual terrorism, imposed state terror on a massive scale. Perhaps that was what all the organizing was for and what it lead to.
In regard to Gospace's comment about central NY state and "something in the water," look up Burned-Over District.
I'm less than 20% through Figes' book, and learning a lot; I had Russian history in grad school and have read a lot since, so I know the politics, economics, and military stuff pretty well--for not having the language.
My eyes don't allow multi-hour reading sessions any longer, alas.
If I were to follow the lead of Achilles and other commenters here and now blame ALL people on the right for this heinous crime I’d have sunk to their level.
Do you see us celebrating what he did? No.
That's the difference. And it's been told to you countless times.
Willfully deaf, dumb and blind…
“Do you see us celebrating what he did? No.”
Did you see any lefties here celebrate the death of Kirk? No, you didn’t. Time to stop your hypocrisy.
I'm sure Botfly will be writing about this soon.
"Did you see any lefties here celebrate the death of Kirk? No, you didn’t. Time to stop your hypocrisy."
No, I didn't see that here on this blog. But I *did* see plenty of it in prominent online forums, and a general sense of "he had it coming" among lots of people I had previously considered to be decent humans.
My reaction was far stronger to the response by the left than to the shooting itself. It only takes one insane person to kill, but when there is a sizeable response of "yeah, that's understandable" I get worried about our society. And there *was* such a response. I don't think even Inga can deny that.
I'm a professor at a state university (of a very red state), and when I discussed this with students, there was a concerning number who had that attitude.
I'm also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I couldn't say things any better than Quayle does, so I won't try. I also think Vance speaks for me when he said that we feel more secure in a society dominated by evangelical culture than we would in a culture dominated by the American left. If Inga is trying to use this incident to pit Mormons against evangelicals, that's an effort doomed to fail.
I'm anxious to learn (assuming we eventually will) what the motives were in this case. He apparently had a grudge against the church. What was the source of that grudge? Whatever it was, I'm pretty sure it *wasn't* anything Trump or anyone else prominent on the political right has said.
On the other hand, it's pretty clear you can trace the motivations of the kid who shot Charlie Kirk directly to the rhetoric common to the American left. When will anyone prominent on that side of the isle (other than Fetterman, for whom I have growing respect) come forward and renounce the reckless use of "Nazi", "fascist", "racist", etc?
Narr said...
In regard to Gospace's comment about central NY state and "something in the water," look up Burned-Over District.
Proof that even at age 70 you can learn something new every day. As aware as I was of the various Great Revival movements, I wasn't aware how thoroughly saturated CNY was- or why. Interesting how the opening of the Erie Canal contributed to the Second Great Awakening. Totally unrelated to any religion, a great engineering feat contributed to a religious movement...
Still might have something to do with the water...
“No, I didn't see that here on this blog. But I *did* see plenty of it in prominent online forums, and a general sense of "he had it coming" among lots of people I had previously considered to be decent humans.”
Guess what I saw on various social media from MAGA people today?
“Mormons aren’t Christian’s!” What is that supposed to mean, that it’s ok to kill Mormons because after all they aren’t really Christians? A Mormon killedCharlie Kirk? Don’t say that the killer was MAGA! It was shocking to see such a reaction from the right even after all the evidence that the killer was indeed a MAGA. After the first reaction claiming that “Mormons aren’t Christian” was to blame the left.
“ When will anyone prominent on that side of the isle (other than Fetterman, for whom I have growing respect) come forward and renounce the reckless use of "Nazi", "fascist", "racist", etc?‘
When will someone prominent on your side of the aisle and here in these comments sections stop calling people on the left every vile name that they can think of including Communist, Fascist, murderers, etc etc. When will Trump himself stop inciting violence against his opponents who he says proudly that he hates? Who he calls “The enemy from within”, who he says he doesn’t wish well? Guess who Trump wished well? Ghislaine Maxwell. That tells a story, doesn’t it?
“If Inga is trying to use this incident to pit Mormons against evangelicals, that's an effort doomed to fail.”
I don’t want Evangelical Christians and Mormons attacking each other. We saw what happened to the innocent worshippers in the Mormon temple in Michigan when that sort of war starts. Trump loves his war talk, Dept. of War, war fighters, etc. He sends our own military troops to American citizens to attack Americans. He brags about it with memes on his Truth Social showing, helicopters, smoke and destruction, saying he’s sending his troops to large cities who have Democratic Governors and Mayors.
Here’s my suggestion, take the plank out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of mine. The Left is tired of your hypocrisy and will no longer tolerate it.
Did you see any lefties here celebrate the death of Kirk? No, you didn’t. Time to stop your hypocrisy.
Oh, go fuck yourself. There were thousands upon thousands of your fellow leftists gleefully celebrating Kirk's death. Just because a half-dozen on this board did not means jack.
The "Mormon's aren't Christians" argument has been going on for generations. 150 years ago it was the inspiration for violence, but it hasn't inspired blood lust in a large number of people for a long long time. Sunday was awful, but it was an abberation. While you can see a few people insist on those three words today, I don't think you'd find anyone using those words to say Sunday's attack was understandable, or that the Mormon congregation "had it coming". There's no comparison between the reaction today and the reaction to Kirk's death.
And nobody here is saying "don't say the shooter was MAGA". He was. He was also looney. We'll see more (I hope) in coming days, but I doubt his political alignment had anything to do with his motivations in this attack. That can't be said for the Kirk assassin.
And yes, I do wish that some here on this blog would tone down the name-calling. It would make it much more enjoyable to read the comments. But I haven't seen anybody shooting up anybody else because of what Achilles says here. The Minnesota shootings were possibly (likely?) an example of a looney being influenced by overheated rhetoric about abortion. If so, that's awful, and a sign that the right needs to be more careful about the "baby killer" talk. Still, the scale and reach of the "baby killer" rhetoric is hardly a match to the drumbeat of "nazi" and "fascist" we're treated to.
Trump's remarks at the memorial service were very obviously self-deprecating humor. Your continued use of them to support the point you're trying to make betrays the dishonesty of your argument.
“Oh, go fuck yourself.”
You first. MAGAs didn’t ever think one of their own would be something even worse than they accuse the left of being. YOU own this guy, not us.
Or I could be like Achilles and just say YOU murdered those poor Mormons! You are as guilty as if it was you who did it, after all you’re a MAGA too. You don’t deserve any Constitutional protections!
“But I haven't seen anybody shooting up anybody else because of what Achilles says here.”
Not yet anyway.
“Trump's remarks at the memorial service were very obviously self-deprecating humor.”
Oh please, do you have a bridge you want to sell me?
"Oh please, do you have a bridge you want to sell me?"
Clearly, you've already bought one.
“Clearly, you've already bought one.”
And it’s clear that you would find excuses for MAGA even when a MAGA kills your OWN people, your fellow Mormons.
Both are good one, Ann.
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"Clearly, you've already bought one."
Lock, stock, and barrel.
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