From "In an Era of Deep Polarization, Unity Is Not Trump’s Mission/President Trump does not subscribe to the traditional notion of being president for all Americans" by Peter Baker, in the NYT.
Who is taking an accurate measure of the consistency and ferocity of the divisiveness of the various Presidents?
My prompt to ChatGPT: "What are the most ferociously divisive things Presidents have said in all of American history? Give me a top 10, with just the quotes, not the explanations."
The list [NOTE: I did not verify the accuracy of these quotes. What follows is with ChatGPT gave me and the entire thing could be hallucination. Proceed with care!]
1. John Adams (1798): “If the people ever let the Democrats rule, the country will be deluged with the floodgates of immorality.” [NOTE: That is such poor English that it’s virtually inconceivable that it comes from John Adams.]
2. Andrew Jackson (1834): “The Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it! … They would destroy our institutions and corrupt our free government.”
3. Abraham Lincoln (1860 campaign): “You cannot be for slavery and for freedom. The two are incompatible; the one must perish.”
4. Grover Cleveland (1888): “Party success means party loyalty, and party loyalty means hostility to the enemy.”
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1936): “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.”
6. Harry Truman (1948 campaign): “The Republicans … have begun to nail the American consumer to the wall with spikes of greed.”
7. Lyndon B. Johnson (1964): “The Republican Party feeds a fox every night to harass the nation’s chickens.”
8. Richard Nixon (1972): “The press is the enemy. The professors are the enemy. The establishment is the enemy. The enemies must be understood.”
9. George W. Bush (2001): “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists.”
10. Donald Trump (2020): “The radical left is trying to destroy our country. If they win, America will be a socialist hellhole.”
2. Andrew Jackson (1834): “The Bank is trying to kill me, but I will kill it! … They would destroy our institutions and corrupt our free government.”
3. Abraham Lincoln (1860 campaign): “You cannot be for slavery and for freedom. The two are incompatible; the one must perish.”
4. Grover Cleveland (1888): “Party success means party loyalty, and party loyalty means hostility to the enemy.”
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1936): “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.”
6. Harry Truman (1948 campaign): “The Republicans … have begun to nail the American consumer to the wall with spikes of greed.”
7. Lyndon B. Johnson (1964): “The Republican Party feeds a fox every night to harass the nation’s chickens.”
8. Richard Nixon (1972): “The press is the enemy. The professors are the enemy. The establishment is the enemy. The enemies must be understood.”
9. George W. Bush (2001): “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists.”
10. Donald Trump (2020): “The radical left is trying to destroy our country. If they win, America will be a socialist hellhole.”
ADDED: That was the ChatGPT list. I'd written Grok before, because I actually asked Grok first, but it was taking so long that I brought ChatGPT into the search. Eventually, Grok came through, but its first effort was all about racial division, such as Woodrow Wilson saying "Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen" and Lincoln's "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races." I got more specific and Grok made a list that had things on it that weren't even ferocious, like "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so" (Ronald Reagan). So that's it for Grok on this little project.
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«सबसे पुराना ‹पुराने 246 का 201 – 246Obama lied about it. He was as partisan as anyone.
Do explain in detail - oh precious leftists - how Charlie Kirk is a Fascist.
Charlie Kirk is dead because a MAGA raised kid, from a gun nut family murdered him. It’s almost like worshipping a sociopath carnival barker and emulating his morality isn’t a good environment for forming solid morals.
"Do explain in detail - oh precious leftists - how Charlie Kirk is a Fascist."
Why don't you tell us how much you blathered in these threads for Melissa Hortman (and her husband) and Paul Pelosi? Not top mention that way more than ten thousand people are murdered in this country every year.
Until you can show us that you have a record re giving any Fs for murdered people sans your political bias, how about you STFU because we all know that your hyped up so-called concern for victims of murder is bullshit.
But, maybe now you've seen the error of your ways. Okay, tell us that you regret never fussing about the attacks on libs, likewise your lack of daily outrage re the murders that go on all the time as these murders leave devastated families, w/o any attention from you.
Or, just keep being a partisan shit spreader.
"Gun nut family"?
They hunted, which is very common in rural/semi rural parts of your country. You have immense numbers of game animals and immense numbers of people who go out every year to shoot them and fill their freezers, including plenty of Democrats.
The worlds largest army is that which goes into the woods in deer season - Often said about just Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin, or Michigan; take the US as a whole and its definitely true.
The rifle used is not a "gun nut" weapon, its a bolt action deer rifle. Not subject to control in any US state nor is it on any proposed controls by any gun reformers.
FLC said, “ There is a nationwide team of retired corporate and military IT workers who specialize in doing OSINT to doxx….” I had this done to me by the left several years ago. It ruined my post-retirement second career. Go for it, FLC.
Buw,
The question of what makes a "gun nut" is interesting.
I have friends with many dozens of guns and they will talk about the details of this or that gun for hours. I suppose they are gun nuts. But it's like I'm a car nut because I have dozens of cars.
FTR, most of these folks also hunt with bows and muzzleloaders (depending on the season.) And they have fancy fishing boats. As Buwaya says, I sure some folks do this sort of hunting/fishing to get food that they eat. But it is worth noting that some of the folks that do this are not doing it because of necessity. Especially re the fishing. If you spend a quarter of a million for a boat and trailer, and then you think about the time you spend going out and getting the fish....it's obvious that you'd be better off, financially, to fly to Noma in Copenhagen for a. meal. A lot of folks that hunt are doing it for fun, not because they are starving.
Yes, I’m familiar with hunters hunting. The MAGA family in question had their social media profiles filled with photos of them gleefully posing with all sorts of heavy duty, non squirell killing machinery. All of which was scrubbed when the MAGAt assassin acted on the values on which he was raised.
"Ya gotta admit. You guys can't seem to control yourselves around firearms. Even after all the laws you passed to prevent people like you from owning firearms."
Somebody (was it Scott Adams?) proposed that, if you want to cut down on gun deaths, it should be made illegal for registered Democrats to own them.
@FormerFenClerk: Pack your baggage and leave this blog. You are not welcome here.
Political assassinations in the US are quite rare. There are plenty of other murders over personal, commercial (drugs), or random disputes, or sheer insanity. The US has 4x to 5x the European murder rate.
But murder for political reasons is something else. And the murder of C.Kirk was precisely over a political dispute. And he was a very high profile person, with a significant effect on past and future elections. He was an important piece on the game board. Thats why he mattered, he was not just any Evangelical preacher.
le Douanier: You are next.
"Pack your baggage and leave this blog. You are not welcome here."
I've had that happen to me a dozen, or so, times on this blog.
It's odd that this blog lets you back in after being banned. Other places that have banned me never give me a second chance. Never mind a twentieth chance, or whatever it is re me being banned and unbanned on this blog over and over and over and over and....
“A state lawmaker's wife who was shot eight times during an apparent assassination attempt in Minnesota, shielded her daughter from being hit, a relative has said.
After surviving the hail of bullets that wounded her parents, Hope Hoffman then called local authorities who rushed to the scene and saved her parents' lives.
In a statement texted from Yvette Hoffman to US Senator Amy Klobuchar, who represents Minnesota, she said she was shot eight times and her husband was shot nine times.
"John is enduring many surgeries right now and is closer every hour to being out of the woods," Yvette Hoffman wrote in a text message. "He took 9 bullet hits. I took 8 and we are both incredibly lucky to be alive."
Her father, Democratic state senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette Hoffman are recovering in hospital while the suspected gunman is in custody.”
BBC
“It's odd that this blog lets you back in after being banned.”
Is it? Is it as odd as bad actors who keep returning—changing their name over and over? “Odd” is putting it mildly.
TeaBagHag said...
Never forget how Mellisa and Mark Hortman’s children feel. They were robbed of their loving parents a just because many in the Christo fascist, ammo sexual community are filled with impotent rage.
Tea BagHag wants everyone to know it was fine to shoot Kirk because a man named Boelter who said Tim Walz told him to shoot democrats shot a couple democrats.
Okay Meade,
You are a powerful and not at all small man.
In fact, you are a big man, the opposite of small. Your big man warning to me has me really scared. Hence I will obey you since you are not a small dude that wears clothes that are oversized because you think that tricks the world into seeing that you are not small.
Carry on.
Sophie and Colin Hortman, the children of Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, issued a statement Monday calling on people to honor their parents’ legacy by standing up “for what you believe in, especially if that thing is justice and peace.”
“We are devastated and heartbroken at the loss of our parents, Melissa and Mark. They were the bright lights at the center of our lives, and we can’t believe they are gone. Their love for us was boundless. We miss them so much,” the release said. “We want everyone to know that we are both safe and with loved ones. We are grateful for the outpouring of love and support we have received, and we appreciate your respect for our family’s privacy as we grieve.”
The Hortman children emphasized the legacy that their parents will leave behind.
“Our parents touched so many lives, and they leave behind an incredible legacy of dedication to their community that will live on in us, their friends, their colleagues and co-workers, and every single person who knew and loved them,” the release said.
The Hortmans asked that people do an act of kindness in the memory of their parents’ commitment to service, sharing a list of suggestions, “something, whether big or small, to make our community just a little better for someone else.”
https://minnesotareformer.com/2025/06/17/children-of-melissa-and-mark-hortman-release-statement-on-their-deaths/
le Douanier said...
"Do explain in detail - oh precious leftists - how Charlie Kirk is a Fascist."
Why don't you tell us how much you blathered in these threads for Melissa Hortman (and her husband) and Paul Pelosi? Not top mention that way more than ten thousand people are murdered in this country every year.
Until you can show us that you have a record re giving any Fs for murdered people sans your political bias, how about you STFU because we all know that your hyped up so-called concern for victims of murder is bullshit.
I personally would prefer that the Boelter execution was public. I think what he did and his punishment should be a lesson that is remembered by all 6th graders for a generation.
Apparently you think what Boelter did , a man who said Tim Waltz told him to kill these democrats, makes it OK to kill Charlie Kirk.
We hear you. We understand what you are saying. We believe you when you say we should all be killed and that it is OK because of what Boelter did.
Most of my posting on this is to draw attention/mock how moronic it is to ascribe collective blame on the actions of an individual. Achilles, you are the most violent leaning person on these comments, as always. You consistently call for groups of people to be eliminated/removed so we can have a civilized republic. But don’t put any of your psycho calls to arms on me, you sick fuck.
BTW Meade,
I'm recycling old names that I've used here before, I'm not creating new ones. And anyone can click on my name next to my comments and see that I started April of 2008. That plus the fact that I have a certain vibe that always caries through my comments regardless of the name I'm using means that I'm not hiding.
I just think it's fun to change the name. Like Titus did.
Thanks for sharing that in good faith, Inga.
Inga said...
The Hortmans asked that people do an act of kindness in the memory of their parents’ commitment to service, sharing a list of suggestions, “something, whether big or small, to make our community just a little better for someone else.”
According to Inga this means killing all of the fascists like Charlie Kirk.
TeaBagHag said...
Most of my posting on this is to draw attention/mock how moronic it is to ascribe collective blame on the actions of an individual. Achilles, you are the most violent leaning person on these comments, as always. You consistently call for groups of people to be eliminated/removed so we can have a civilized republic. But don’t put any of your psycho calls to arms on me, you sick fuck.
You all have been calling me a fascist for my entire time on this blog.
I assume you will cheer when one of your friends shoots me and kills me because as you say I am a "violent leaning person."
You think it was OK to kill Charlie Kirk because Trump supporters are all like me. We get it. We hear you. We understand exactly what you are saying.
FLC said, in an admission against interest:
"There is a nationwide team of retired corporate and military IT workers who specialize in doing OSINT to doxx the government workers, teachers, educators, and other assorted SCUMBAGS who are cheerleading the murder of conservative speakers, leaders, influencers, Congressmen, Supreme Court justices and Presidents."
That's who "we" are. And it's all PERFECTLY LEGAL what we do.
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Apparently, bogus former law clerk, you have forgotten that saying vicious, rude things...including "cheerleading" murder... are all protected by free speech.
So it will be PERFECTLY LEGAL for those people to sue you, jointly and severally, for "tortious interference".
"Tortious interference is a common law tort allowing a claim for damages against a defendant who wrongfully and intentionally interferes with the plaintiff's contractual or business relationships."
"Tortious interference occurs when a third party intentionally and improperly disrupts a contract or business relationship between other parties, causing economic harm."
Now that you've outed yourself and others, some enterprising journalist on the left is going to figure out who you all are and publish it on leftist sites. Let's see then how smug you'll be.
Spot on!, Peachy @6:56 & 6:57pm. le dou dou and the rest of these deluded lefties - who wouldn’t recognize truth if it bit them in their extremely narrow hindquarters - will face a reckoning in some form in the not too distant future.
Achilles, my poor rotten little peanut. Not everyone is wired like you. Rational people don’t jump to using violence as a favored, first resort method to problem solving.
Apparently Achilles doesn’t understand the concept of criticizing someone without wanting to kill them. If you feel threatened and are afraid for your life because someone criticizes you, well…
The Minnesota murders/shootings remind me a lot of the Moscone/Milk case in San Francisco (1978). This happened a few years before I showed up there. That too was a political assassination, but of only local impact. Of course, "local" was in an important place. The purpose of the murders was not political as such, on the part of the killer, but personal. Revenge over personal failure.
San Francisco was in a difficult situation then, socially and politically. Jim Jones for instance was mixed up with both Moscone and Milk, but that had nothing (directly) to do with the murders. Ref, and a fine book, "Season of the Witch", D.Talbot
It got better, Feinstein (the late Senator) was a very successful mayor.
Inga said...
Apparently Achilles doesn’t understand the concept of criticizing someone without wanting to kill them. If you feel threatened and are afraid for your life because someone criticizes you, well…
We have noticed that you people like to shoot us and cheer when we are killed.
TeaBagHag said...
Achilles, my poor rotten little peanut. Not everyone is wired like you. Rational people don’t jump to using violence as a favored, first resort method to problem solving.
I knew the truth about you guys from the start.
It also isn't just that you killed Kirk. It is the dancing and cheering. It is watching you bring up all of the past grievances than made killing him OK.
You proved me right. Now I am not alone in my assessment of your depravity.
Enjoy what you have earned.
“Now I am not alone in my assessment of your depravity.”
I suspect that the majority of the conservative readers and commenters here don’t join you in your assessment and alas, you are still pretty much alone.
Outing, doxxing, etc as a tactic was started by the political left. There was a wave of these @10-12 years ago, among computer and tech figures. Besides dozens of small fry (like the poor Aspergers sufferer in "Elevatorgate"), who were held to have committed social faux pas or politically disagreed with someone, you had the case of Brendan Eich, another man who deserves a bronze statue in Cupertino.
Biden's whole Triumph of the Will speech was full of divisiveness.
My advice: don't engage with the TBH. She thrives on it. Let her evil voice go out unanswered into the wilderness of hate.
Often, the subtext is, if the other side would just pull their heads out of their you-know-whats we could all get along. That hasn't hanged any.
In the last great dust up between Democrats and Republicans, Mr Lincoln proved to be a great uniter. But it took him four years
I think Lincoln was the most divisive President ever
His very election divided the Union, and his determination led to the deaths of 600k+ soldiers plus countless freedmen who starved. But it might have been even worse if it happened later, with repeating rifles and machine guns, like WW1.
Ralph L: "[the American Civil War] might have been even worse if it happened later, with repeating rifles and machine guns, like WW1."
Ooh, good point. Only fifty years separated them. Heck, if we had waited till 1900 or even 1870, the lethality of the weapons would have been much greater. The Union would probably still have had the advantage, from both manufacturing the weapons and understanding that position and volume of fire are more important than elan and bravery. CC, JSM
wtf would ‘unity’ look like? Trump granting citizenship to 10-15 million illegals then locking himself up?
Getting back to the original subject of the post - exactly this. How was Trump, "literally worse than Hitler™," supposed to "unite" a nation in which at least a third of the voting population believe - thanks to daily indoctrination - that he is "literally worse than Hitler™" and a not insignificant portion of the "independent" vote is at least willing to entertain that notion, since it's what they hear and see every day in the news? What, exactly, could Trump do to "unite the nation"?
Also - le D, you are truly a POS for using the deaths of ten thousand people to try to smear your political opponents. Which side - tell me, do - actually behaves as if it cares about the deaths of these often young, often black men at the hands of other often young, often black men? The side that pretends it's white cops killing them? The side that ignores the ones who aren't young and black, but rather old and Asian? The side that, when the victim is young, white, and female, urges "empathy" for the mentally ill and obviously dangerous perpetrator?
Tell us more about who cares more for the victims of murder, you tool.
There are some amazing turnarounds happening out there.
Obama: They bring a knife, we bring a gun.
The knife has since been downgraded to a microphone.
Inga said...
“Now I am not alone in my assessment of your depravity.”
"I suspect that the majority of the conservative readers and commenters here don’t join you in your assessment and alas, you are still pretty much alone."
No. We all pretty much don't trust you.
Th MN murders - a hit man killed a Senator and her husband - who voted with the R's
I stated several times my horror over these deaths.
Hit man says Tim Walz was it.
Hit man had "Not kings' signs in his car.
Hit mad led a double life.
Hit man was aligned with Democratic Governors....
I'm still a fan of this one:
George W. Bush (2001): “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists.”
An appropriately divisive quote at the time. Let all nations know that the only 800 pound gorilla in the room of the world has decided upon his business, and you can either join him or FAFO.
JD Vance hosting Charlie's show today from his office. Last 15 minutes the gloves come off (he ran almost 10 minutes long). Must see.
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