Althouse: Sunrise

21 ఆగస్టు, 2025

Sunrise — 6:07.

Later, at 2:18 in the afternoon:

Write about whatever you want in the comments.

108 కామెంట్‌లు:

BUMBLE BEE చెప్పారు...: Fascinating machines do the harvesting.
https://x.com/TheFigen_/status/1958561594830438770; 21-08-25 7:40 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.; 21-08-25 7:41 PM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Gavy Newsom is training for the battle ahead!

https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1958285200850563240?s=19; 21-08-25 7:42 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: YouTube: Dave Collum is a professor of organic chemistry at Cornell University and he says: "I can't trust anything". Tucker video.; 21-08-25 7:45 PM
Political Junkie చెప్పారు...: Not talked about openly in the media, but one reason "traditional D" donors are closing their wallets to the D party is Mamdami and the "Pro Palestiniian" D base. The D Jew Hate is too obvious to miss.

Was very surprised to see Sherry Lansing and Casey Wassermasn holding a fundraiser for R Senator ME Susan Collins.; 21-08-25 7:45 PM
wildswan చెప్పారు...: Remember, Massachusetts has no US Representatives for the 44% of the state which is Republican. This is due to gerrymandering and Massachusetts Dems think taxation without representation is just fine. It's Their Democracy Grift.; 21-08-25 7:48 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: BUMBLE BEE: that was fantastic. Thx; 21-08-25 7:54 PM
Gospace చెప్పారు...: On a completely non-political topic- bidets. My son in FL installed one. Said it reduced TP consumption- a lot. He has 5 younguns. Was nice. He has warm well water. Mine, right now, is about 45°. Barely above freezing in January.

Looked at some electric bidet seats and saw two problems. 1: I wasn't going to use an extension cord. 2: I saw no easy way to install an outlet near the toilets.

But I did have hot water lines near the the 2 toilets. A mixing valve, some tapping into lines, a few flex lines, and all the needed fittings, and, Voila! Bidet installed. My better half wanted warmer water, so reset mixing valve from 86°F to 93°F. And I sent the warmer water to the tank so no sweating tanks dripping over the floor this winter for the first time since moving here.

It's an affordable luxury item I highly recommend. Got to 70 years old before I used one and discovered I wanted one.; 21-08-25 7:57 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: @Iman: ha ha; 21-08-25 8:13 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Iman - lolz.; 21-08-25 8:20 PM
MadTownGuy చెప్పారు...: Maui wildfire survivors still rebuilding two years later (CBS News, August 13, 2025)

"On the second anniversary of the Maui wildfires, the 102 people who died were honored with a "paddle out" and a memorial service. The mayor of Lahaina said, the wind carries their voices, urging us to keep going.

But more than 2,000 homes were destroyed, and growth has been slower than many had hoped. It took an entire year just to clear the wreckage, and the road to recovery is measured one new home at a time. Historic downtown is still closed to the public, and only 50 homes have been rebuilt."; 21-08-25 8:21 PM
Leland చెప్పారు...: Bumble Bee, with machines like those, why do Democrats need illegal immigrants to harvest their fields?; 21-08-25 8:55 PM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Newsom supporters are hard pressed to name ANYTHING he’s done, other than his hair and his best friend’s wife.; 21-08-25 8:55 PM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Newsom says he’s gonna fight, he’s gonna fight🔥with fire🔥!

WHOOPS!!!; 21-08-25 8:59 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Mad town guy
2 years.
Jesse G Wald - He captures amazing drone footage of the area.
2 weeks ago.

I knew the 101 death. His name is Paul K.
I own one of his tables.; 21-08-25 9:07 PM
le Douanier చెప్పారు...: I agree with Iman, Newsom seems like he is an F machine. Likewise he doesn't seem to have the small, mushroom dick problem that South Park has been using against DJT.

This situation is SAD! for DJT. Also SAD! for Melania since she'd be more satisfied by GCN instead of old, gross, small D DJT.; 21-08-25 9:27 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: So it’s 7:20 pm in the Phoenix AZ area, it’s raining and the temp is at 101. Unbelievable.; 21-08-25 9:27 PM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...: "Fallout," the post-apocalyptic series, wasn't that bad. The problems with the series were the snarky attitude and the indifference to the basic laws of nature, but if you can watch 2 1/2 episodes of a dramatic series, you're likely to get hooked and keep watching to find out what the key to the mystery is.

A corollary is that after about 2 1/2 seasons, continuing arc dramatic series often run out of steam. That may not have been true of some of the better ones, but it was true of "Westworld" which was made by the same team. I'm not even sure that 1/2 season was that good.; 21-08-25 9:28 PM
le Douanier చెప్పారు...: "So it’s 7:20 pm in the Phoenix AZ area, it’s raining and the temp is at 101. Unbelievable."

You sound like a climate change alarmist. Phoenix is famous for not cooling down at night, regardless of CO2. Only an idiot, or someone too poor to move away would live there during summer. If you're too poor, hopefully you are not in your situation because you are lazy. Maybe you are disabled in one way or another, hence it's impossible for you to afford to live in a nice place. IDK.; 21-08-25 9:40 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: You know, I work all day. To get you money. To buy you things. And it's worth it, just to hear you say, you're gonna give me -- everything! So why on Earth should I moan? 'Cuz when I get you alone; you know? I feel OK.; 21-08-25 9:40 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: 1.5 billion buys a lot of leftist - south park; 21-08-25 9:40 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: The sky looks clear. that's a nice change.; 21-08-25 9:41 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: I muttered something underneath my breath. She studied the lines of my face. I must admit, I felt a little uneasy, when she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe.; 21-08-25 9:43 PM
Howard చెప్పారు...: Enjoying Fall adjacent weather here in Center Mass. Broke out the fleece for the last couple a days.; 21-08-25 9:44 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: I had to look that up. "Bent down to tie the laces" could have been "bent down and tied the laces". And it could have been "shoe", or "shoes". I think Dylan made the right choice, but I also have a feeling that he may have been more concerned with meter than with meaning.; 21-08-25 9:46 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: Now, as to the Beatles, a friend of mine -- a musician -- was holding forth on the poetic -- meaning, I suppose, lyrical -- genius of the Beatles. "Indeed", I replied. "Who can forget the haunting, other-worldly invocation; Love, love me do. You know, I love you. I'll always be true. So Plea-e-e-e, e-e-e, z'love me do. O,O, love me do".
To quote a famous lyricist, "How do you sleep at night?"; 21-08-25 9:52 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: Extra credit; Who says, "O, happy horse!"; 21-08-25 9:58 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: MadTownGuy said...

But more than 2,000 homes were destroyed, and growth has been slower than many had hoped. It took an entire year just to clear the wreckage, and the road to recovery is measured one new home at a time. Historic downtown is still closed to the public, and only 50 homes have been rebuilt."

Democrats know that if they make it impossible to rebuild the poor and middle class landowners will be forced to sell their land because they need a place to live.

Democrats have probably already condemned many of the lots. They are already allowing crony developers to build Multi-fam units on the burned ground in California that will be filled with homeless people and illegal immigrants whose rent will be paid by taxpayers. I assume the same is happening in Lahaina.; 21-08-25 10:03 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: Now, you might point out, that "shoes" doesn't rhyme with "blue". Too, too true. But "laces" doesn't rhyme with "face", either.; 21-08-25 10:04 PM
gilbar చెప్పారు...: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/minnesota-dfl-revokes-omar-fateh-s-endorsement-for-minneapolis-mayor/ar-AA1KZhE5?ocid=BingNewsSerp

The Minnesota DFL took the unprecedented step Thursday of revoking the local party’s endorsement of state Sen. Omar Fateh in the Minneapolis mayor’s race, citing “substantial failures in the convention’s voting process.”; 21-08-25 10:21 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: citing “substantial failures in the convention’s voting process.”

Voting results didn't turn out the way they were supposed to, no doubt.; 21-08-25 10:23 PM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: I enjoy watching my grandson eat. At this age, almost 1, he sits in his high chair. Whatever is put on the tray in front of him, he picks up in his pudgy little fingers and stuffs it into his mouth. Or at least, in the direction of his mouth. The fat little dog sitting underneath him is testament to his dexterity, even as it improves.

Anyway - he reminds me of the level that many anti-Trump commenters here have descended to. Unable to comment on the impact of Trump's policies, presumably because of their obvious success, instead, they make do with pejoratives and ugly, simplistic, caricature - moronic, even. Failure to articulate in words implies failure to articulate in thought, too. Things that make a body wonder - but not for long. There are some things found on sidewalks that are easily stepped around.; 21-08-25 10:33 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: Yes, I am one of the working poor. No I’m not a climate alarmist. I am a climate hater, particularly in the summer.; 21-08-25 10:39 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Posted this below.
It's good - please watch if you have the time.; 21-08-25 10:40 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Eva - wow. 101 in the rain. At least there is rain!; 21-08-25 10:42 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: I lived in Phoenix for a while. 115 and dry is much more comfortable than 100 and humid, IMO.; 21-08-25 10:46 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: “Maybe you are disabled in one way or another, hence it's impossible for you to afford to live in a nice place.”
1- Possibly, mentally.
2. O it’s nice here but just too hot. Especially August which is our hottest month.; 21-08-25 10:47 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: Yeah, that’s what we keep telling the tourists - at least it’s a dry heat. But we know 112 (which was the temp today) is still 112.; 21-08-25 10:48 PM
le Douanier చెప్పారు...: Eva,

My strongest memory of Pheonix was when I was a wee kid and I was on a road trip around America with some friends in a new Jaguar XKE convertible. The car and the year were coming up on 2000. We were there to party on a street called Mill street, but it was changed to Millinium street for 2000. At least that's how I remember it. One thing I know for sure is that the Jaguar was totaled. While doing donuts in the car.....well.....no reason to get into the details. No person even had a little scratch, but the car was dunzo.

Anywho, are you sure you can't afford to leave that place? God's anvil seems like a bad place to call home. IMHO.; 21-08-25 10:50 PM
Jupiter చెప్పారు...: Oh dear. https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/tangled-blue/ says the words are; "... she studied the lines on my face ..."
Not "the lines of my face".
I'm sorry, that's a totally different meaning, and if Dylan actually wrote "on my face" -- lame. Lame! I cry, anathema! Lame!; 21-08-25 10:50 PM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: Why is “on my face” lame? But you’re right the meaning is totally different. But the lines on his face would point more to his character and the life he led, no?; 21-08-25 11:08 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Well, well, well. Look at who is incandescent red -- meaning dead last -- on this study of black student achievement by state.

It is my belief that this rests entirely on the shoulders of Tony Evers, who has been governor for 6 1/2 years and was Winsconsin's Superintendent of Public Instruction for the 9 1/2 years before that. I assume that Wisconsin liberals like the people of Madison rewarded him with the governor's mansion because he says the right things, while carefully keeping black students in Wisconsin in their place.; 21-08-25 11:16 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: So tell me, MadisonMan, and tell me Meade and Althouse, are any of you proud that black students would be vastly better educated had they gone to K-12 in Mississippi than in Wisconsin?; 21-08-25 11:18 PM
Peachy చెప్పారు...: Inag - spreads more lies and mis-information

Peter Baker of the Times posted that DC restaurants were hurting now (because of Trump!)- but his info was based on a comparison of last years Restaurant Week.

He had to say ooops. too.; 21-08-25 11:23 PM
buwaya చెప్పారు...: In re Southern states (Mississipi was called out recently) vs Wisconsin (et al) in dissasociated (by race) NAEP school test results - I did this analysis over 20 years ago, and I must have posted it here 10 years ago. This is not new.; 21-08-25 11:31 PM
gadfly చెప్పారు...: Late Thursday afternoon, the Supreme Court handed down an incomprehensible order concerning the Trump administration’s decision to cancel numerous public health grants. The array of six opinions in National Institutes of Health v. American Public Health Association is so labyrinthine that any judge who attempts to parse it risks being devoured by a minotaur.

As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson writes in a partial dissent, the decision is "Calvinball jurisprudence" which appears to be designed to ensure that “this Administration always wins.”

There is one game that Calvin loves to play in the Calvin and Hobbes comic strip: Calvinball. He and Hobbes love to run together and play a game with ever-changing rules and an inconsistent purpose. The two best friends wear masks and always play together, although they sometimes invite other people to join in the fun. Although complicated, it is still possible to understand Calvinball. The only rule in Calvinball is that no rule can be repeated. In every game, the rules must change.; 21-08-25 11:32 PM
effinayright చెప్పారు...: Gospace said...

something about bidets and their gloriousness.

Spend a thousand bucks to save on toilet paper? How do you save from using tp after having water sprayed all over your rectal aperture?

(I know nothing about bidets, so straighten me out); 21-08-25 11:35 PM
effinayright చెప్పారు...: Jupiter said...
Now, as to the Beatles, a friend of mine -- a musician -- was holding forth on the poetic -- meaning, I suppose, lyrical -- genius of the Beatles. "Indeed", I replied. "Who can forget the haunting, other-worldly invocation; Love, love me do. You know, I love you. I'll always be true. So Plea-e-e-e, e-e-e, z'love me do. O,O, love me do".
To quote a famous lyricist, "How do you sleep at night?"
***********

You really ought to introduce yourself to what hundreds of millions of people have listened to ---and enjoyed---since that very early album.

You might start with "Rubber Soul", and take it from there.

Or, you can continue to steep in smug ignorance.; 21-08-25 11:43 PM
le Douanier చెప్పారు...: "Spend a thousand bucks to save on toilet paper?"

Your numbers are all wrong. You want a fully integrated toilet. You need to spend no less than four grand. But, if you can stretch your budget to around twelve grand, the Numi is worth it. The functionality and style are so impressive that it's a bargain. IMHO.

But you don't make up the cost on TP savings. The benefit is more like the difference between having an outhouse and indoor plumbing. With the Numi, jump is from indoor plumbing to (essentially) your shit don't stink.; 21-08-25 11:47 PM
le Douanier చెప్పారు...: https://www.kohler.com/en/products/toilets/shop-toilets/numi-2-0-one-piece-elongated-smart-toilet-dual-flush-30754-pa; 21-08-25 11:47 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: @buwaya, I find it plausible that your results from two decades ago mirror the latest numbers. What I find amazing is that no one in Wisconsin seems bothered by them.; 21-08-25 11:52 PM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...: Kohler is a big Wisconsin name. Maybe you can get a discount. Maybe if the "Badger State" thing doesn't work out, you could consider renaming ... I won't go any further ...; 22-08-25 12:07 AM
Jimmy చెప్పారు...: "Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson writes in a partial dissent, the decision is "Calvinball jurisprudence"
Calvin AND Hobbes could tell you what is a woman. The DEI hire still can't. She also isn't funny as Calvin, since she is supposed to be at the peak of her career as a Judge.
As usual, you pick the worst example of someone to prove a non existing point.
But then, when your bench consists of people like her, who willingly deny reality, and Schumer or Schiff who knowingly lie about everything, you grasp at what ever straws you can get.
Circling the drain is a phrase that fits here somehow.; 22-08-25 12:17 AM
effinayright చెప్పారు...: le Douanier said...
"Spend a thousand bucks to save on toilet paper?"

"the Numi is worth it. The functionality and style are so impressive that it's a bargain. IMHO."
*************

Sure. If you have money to burn based on non-economic criteria.--- and use emotional terms to describe a "bargain"!; 22-08-25 12:25 AM
Jim at చెప్పారు...: Likewise he doesn't seem to have the small, mushroom dick problem that South Park has been using against DJT.

Somebody actually wrote that for others to see.
And also votes.; 22-08-25 4:18 AM
gadfly చెప్పారు...: Jimmy: Sorry that you don't like a minority justice who speaks her mind. The fact that is that judges in subordinate courts did not agree with the MAGA Supremes somehow slipped past your nose. The individual cases should have been considered considered individually but the Roberts Court majority likes all those goodies readily supplied by the Federalists and their billionaire friends. Why doesn't that bother you?; 22-08-25 4:33 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: In reaction to the Indian truck driver whose illegal U turn (made directly in front of a “No U Turn” sign) killed 3 people in Florida, Secretary of State Marco Rubio sent out the following on X:

Secretary Marco Rubio
@SecRubio

Effective immediately we are pausing all issuance of worker visas for commercial truck drivers.

The increasing number of foreign drivers operating large tractor-trailer trucks on U.S. roads is endangering American lives and undercutting the livelihoods of American truckers

That the Teamsters Union did not endorse Harris last year probably did not hurt.
;-); 22-08-25 4:46 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: A ConLaw professor with a blog could, conceivably, help us non-lawyers understand whether anything like the incendiary concurrence written by Justice Gorsuch has often been needed in the past. Before the advent of TDS did lower court judges regularly defy Supreme Court rulings? Or is this new?; 22-08-25 5:10 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: …when you see nothing written about the question you’ll know the answer…; 22-08-25 5:21 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: I love going to Kohler. Wandering the big showroom, factory tour, funfun…; 22-08-25 5:22 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: Lowcountry in August isn’t much fun either. T storms every day and an eye on hurricane spaghetti models. Check the go bag…; 22-08-25 5:24 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: …the hummingbirds here are in full-on gas-up to go mode. Gone in a few days now…they don’t even say good-bye…; 22-08-25 5:28 AM
wildswan చెప్పారు...: The NAEP scores public schools and in Wisconsin in Milwaukee there's a group which are utterly terrible. They are "educating" in the black community. But more than half the K-12 students in Milwaukee are outside the conventional public school system for their area. They are going to better public schools in the suburbs (which is allowed and assisted by the state), and they are going to charters, Catholic schools, and private schools with the result that they are doing better than the conventional public school average.

The Milwaukee public schools inside the black community area are mostly a catastrophe which the Teachers Union is ignoring as is the Governor. I have had a stream of women from that community passing through my home helping me recover from cancer and complications and I have been impressed with their awareness of the need to get their kids into one of the better schooling streams. We don't discuss politics but I listen to their stories about their children and I know how hard they work for the cash they need to escape the local schools. I cannot explain why they still vote for the Dems but they are taking aching bodies home every day from working to enable their kids to escape those schools. And shame on the TDS Dems for not helping their loyal voters more. But they have no shame.; 22-08-25 6:15 AM
Keldonric చెప్పారు...: @Lazarus
The problems with the series were the snarky attitude...

Yeah, I got that too — the tone felt really close to the Fallout game series, just amplified. The snark was always there in things like Nuka-Cola, RadAway, Sugar Bombs, but the show pushed it more into the foreground. I think they did really well with the atmosphere, and you don’t often get decent adaptations of video game series into live action shows.

If you haven’t seen it yet, The Last of Us is another one I’d recommend — probably the best live-action adaptation of a video game so far. It’s more somber and character-driven than Fallout, but just as strong on atmosphere.; 22-08-25 6:18 AM
mezzrow చెప్పారు...: I read the overnight comment thread and am seized with the urge to post the following. See if you can figure out why. The listen is worth it, even if you can't figure it out. This was hip when Tom Lehrer was hip. Like Lehrer, it still is.
I'm Hip · Blossom Dearie; 22-08-25 6:23 AM
Humperdink చెప్పారు...: Remember when Land o’ Lakes removed the Indian from their logo and keep the land?

Now we have Cracker Barrel removing the (white) Cracker and the Barrel. The peasants are not amused.; 22-08-25 6:27 AM
Humperdink చెప్పారు...: Gee whiz … no murders in DC since Trump assumed command. How about easing the gun restrictions so the citizens can arm themselves once the show of force departs?

Or maybe DC mayor Muriel Bowser can get the gang bangers to agree to a cease fire (sarc).; 22-08-25 6:52 AM
MartyH చెప్పారు...: The semi driver who killed three people in Florida could answer 2/12 written questions correctly and recognized 1/4 signs. If these were multiple choice questions with four options, the expected value would be 3/12 and 1/4. In other words, he could not even read the questions.

In the meantime, Newson is in a social media war over the driver. He should be investigating who certified the driver, who trained the certification company, etc. but I have heard nothing along those lines.

Trump is also in a social media war with Newsom but he is also doing something-suspended the license of the trucking company and I believe not issuing Commercial licenses to foreigners.

BTW, California redistricting passed. If this "temporary" measure is voted in, I am sure that this spells the end of independent redistricting in California. The situation will be even more dire for Democrats after the next census, so the same emergency measure will pass again.; 22-08-25 6:56 AM
wildswan చెప్పారు...: The Future of the Past.
Museums are now presenting the American past as Malcolm X saw it. There'd be nothing wrong with a room presenting his vision since it is that of his many followers and hence is influencing culture and politics and history. But presenting his vision as The Truth, the Whole Truth and Nothing But the Truth is a huge distortion. Hundreds of years of history over millions acres of land involving people from every nation under the sun during momentous revoutions - French, Industrial, Computer and more - reduced to a few happenings during a few decades in a few states - that's not presenting the past. That's not education. That's learning how to know nothing. I think the real past has a future in that we'll all have a better future if we expand our understanding of the past beyond the limits of what Malcom X knew as we try to understand where we are and where we are going.

[The Future of the Past was a conference in Europe which I read about some years ago. I'm not referring to the content of that conference but to what the phrase "Future of the Past" evokes at this point in American history.]; 22-08-25 7:21 AM
Crimso చెప్పారు...: John Bolton's house raided in classified materials investigation (that apparently began years ago but was shelved for some reason...); 22-08-25 7:26 AM
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...: As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson writes in a partial dissent, the decision is "Calvinball jurisprudence" which appears to be designed to ensure that “this Administration always wins.”

TAW!
Payback, as they say, is a bitch. (Remember "ObamaCare is a tax?"); 22-08-25 7:30 AM
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...: @buwaya, I find it plausible that your results from two decades ago mirror the latest numbers. What I find amazing is that no one in Wisconsin seems bothered by them.

Not amazing or even surprising to me. I grew up in Massachusetts.; 22-08-25 7:34 AM
Humperdink చెప్పారు...: RIP Dr. James Dobson. A great American. His book Dare to Discipline was the Bible for Christians on child rearing.; 22-08-25 7:35 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: In other words, he could not even read the questions

…are we sure he’s an illegal? Sounds like he could have grown up in WI public school…; 22-08-25 7:41 AM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: MartyH said...
The semi driver who killed three people in Florida could answer 2/12 written questions correctly and recognized 1/4 signs. If these were multiple choice questions with four options, the expected value would be 3/12 and 1/4. In other words, he could not even read the questions.

And he was automatically registered to vote.

He will be receiving a mail in ballot for the midterms even though he is in jail or a different country. That mail in ballot will be mailed in and counted.; 22-08-25 7:50 AM
Iman చెప్పారు...: "the Numi is worth it. The functionality and style are so impressive that it's a bargain. IMHO."

Seeing as how le dou dou is ever so full of shit, one can understand why a toilet is so important to shim.; 22-08-25 7:52 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Announcement from FBI, CBP, DHS & ICE;
We’ve lowered our standards and are hiring
Any thug will do
We’re going to send them illegals back
Any brown skin will do; 22-08-25 7:53 AM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Translation of Ward the Cleaver: it’s the Days of Whines and Posers.; 22-08-25 8:10 AM
MadTownGuy చెప్పారు...: Achilles said...
[MadTownGuy said...

But more than 2,000 homes were destroyed, and growth has been slower than many had hoped. It took an entire year just to clear the wreckage, and the road to recovery is measured one new home at a time. Historic downtown is still closed to the public, and only 50 homes have been rebuilt."]

"Democrats know that if they make it impossible to rebuild the poor and middle class landowners will be forced to sell their land because they need a place to live.

Democrats have probably already condemned many of the lots. They are already allowing crony developers to build Multi-fam units on the burned ground in California that will be filled with homeless people and illegal immigrants whose rent will be paid by taxpayers. I assume the same is happening in Lahaina."

I see that as one possibility. But if the grift dries up, it could go the other way and Lāhaina will be Disneyfied. Third place possibility is the "sustainable city" model, which might be more acceptable to the native Hawaiians; but I doubt they'll have the final day. We'll see.; 22-08-25 8:17 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: I get the rush for defense Iman;

And unless kiss the Orange man’s ass
Next we’ll becoming for you; 22-08-25 8:38 AM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: rehajm said...
"I love going to Kohler. Wandering the big showroom, factory tour, funfun…"

I go because that's where the first dam on the river is. In the fall the huge steelhead and salmon congregate there. Lot's O' fun.; 22-08-25 9:02 AM
FullMoon చెప్పారు...: The good old days .2012
Hundreds of protesters took to the streets of Manhattan's financial district early Monday to mark the 1-year anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement..."
"...; 22-08-25 9:29 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: I go because that's where the first dam on the river is

I think i know that dam…or maybe the second one, because its by the golf course…; 22-08-25 9:33 AM
Keldonric చెప్పారు...: @Aggie
"...pejoratives and ugly, simplistic, caricature..."

I’ve noticed the same thing over at Volokh Conspiracy. It was actually the first blog I found that focused on law. I’ve never studied law in a classroom setting, but I enjoy studying it, along with philosophy and just about anything I can get my hands on. Looking back at the archives, there were always some sharp elbows, but most exchanges stayed respectful. Over the years, it feels like there’s been more sniping and less substance. When someone does engage respectfully, even in disagreement, it’s a real relief. I really don’t know why people can’t bring the same level of respect they’d use face-to-face into those discussions. We could all benefit from seeing things through others’ eyes a little more. Elevating the conversation surely wouldn’t hurt.

On another note, I’m looking forward to my first grandchild later this year.; 22-08-25 10:09 AM
Achilles చెప్పారు...: Ronald J. Ward said...
Announcement from FBI, CBP, DHS & ICE;
We’ve lowered our standards and are hiring
Any thug will do
We’re going to send them illegals back
Any brown skin will do

That’s more like it.

Ronald gets destroyed in any real conversation and in his embarrassment he retreats back to the refuge of bitter accusation.

You just aren’t very intelligent.; 22-08-25 10:31 AM
Jersey Fled చెప్పారు...: A day or two ago I posted a comment claiming that the company that Jindar Singh drove for had numerous citations for maintenance and safety violations. I got that information from Grok, and it was incorrect.

Today Grok is identifying a different company and is claiming no knowledge of maintenance and safety violations.

Lesson learned.; 22-08-25 11:01 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: It’s interesting how some folks can’t let go of yesterday’s conversation — usually the ones determined to have the last word, even after losing the argument long ago. More often than not, it’s the side still smarting that feels the need to drag it into the next day.

As for the “you aren’t intelligent” line — I’ll take that as the surest sign the debate’s been lost.; 22-08-25 11:04 AM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: rehajm said...
"I go because that's where the first dam on the river is

I think i know that dam…or maybe the second one, because its by the golf course…"

That's it. You have to go to the Lodge to buy a pass and promise not to set foot on the fairways. In another month it's going to be crowded with fishermen.; 22-08-25 12:28 PM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: RJW

First you have to present an argument.; 22-08-25 12:29 PM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Classic Rusty — trying to redirect the thread into a procedural trap (“first, present an argument”) so he doesn’t have to engage with the points I’ve already made. It’s a subtle way of delegitimizing what I’ve posted.

The argument was already presented in the last thread: tariffs and certain policy choices hit working Americans far harder than they affect billionaires or multinationals. I provided the historical example of tariffs raising the price of everyday goods, the resulting impact on workers, and the reason this imbalance prompted the adoption of the 16th Amendment in 1913. I also included modern consequences, like farm bailouts and retaliatory tariffs on bourbon, to show that this pattern persists.

Achilles dismissed this by claiming, “You constantly post inane crap about things that happened in history that are self-contradicting and wrong. Your inane words and agonized misstatements of history mean nothing here.”

Yet, the historical record and modern examples stand as evidence. Dismissing them with contempt doesn’t change the facts — it only highlights the unwillingness to engage with them honestly.; 22-08-25 12:53 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: The argument was already presented in the last thread: tariffs and certain policy choices hit working Americans far harder than they affect billionaires or multinationals.

In theory, you’re right. In the real world you’re wrong. There’s a certain point below which it is better for the foreign manufacturer to absorb the tariff themselves in their pricing in order to maintain market share. If your markup on goods is 20% and the tariff is 10% then you can (1) pass the cost on to the consumer by raising prices 10%, in which case you will be undercut by domestic manufacturers and by other foreign manufacturers who choose not pass along the full cost of the tariff, or (2) accept lower profits but stay in business.; 22-08-25 2:39 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: I should add that for the first few years after retirement I was an adjunct professor at the local university’s school of business, and I assure everybody that pricing can be a very challenging topic all by itself. Fundamentally taxes, European VAT, American tariffs, etc , are just a component of what we call the cost of doing business.; 22-08-25 2:44 PM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Big Mike — I appreciate you at least laying out the mechanics. And sure, in some cases foreign producers may eat part of the tariff to maintain market share. That’s basic competition.
But two things usually happen in practice:

Consumers still pay more. Even when producers absorb some of the tariff, the higher cost typically gets passed down the chain in some form — retail price hikes, smaller package sizes, or reduced quality. Working households feel those increases far more than the billionaire class.

Producers and workers get squeezed. Absorbing tariffs means lower margins, which often translates into job cuts, wage freezes, or companies moving operations elsewhere. Again, it’s the worker who takes the hit.

That’s exactly why tariffs have historically been so contentious — they can be framed as hitting foreign competitors, but the ripple effects fall hardest on American consumers and labor.

That was true when tariff battles led to calls for the 16th Amendment, and it’s true in modern cases like farm bailouts or retaliatory tariffs on bourbon.

So while tariffs may just be “a component of doing business” from the professor’s chair, on the ground they translate directly into higher costs and job insecurity for the very people politicians claim to be protecting.; 22-08-25 3:30 PM
Gerda Sprinchorn చెప్పారు...: The bottom picture is astonishingly normal looking. It surprised me.; 22-08-25 3:47 PM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: Ronald J. Ward said...
"Classic Rusty — trying to redirect the thread into a procedural trap (“first, present an argument”) so he doesn’t have to engage with the points I’ve already made. It’s a subtle way of delegitimizing what I’ve posted.

The argument was already presented in the last thread: tariffs and certain policy choices hit working Americans far harder than they affect billionaires or multinationals."

You two fallacies here. One that working people are going to be using those products that are tariffed. If were putting tariffs on foreign made bull dozers that isn't going to effect the working class much. Unless they are building bulldozers. I which case, win. The other is that tariffs don't effect billionaires. You're making the peasant fallacy. A peasant assumes that rich people, billionaires, have all their money in cash in a special room in their house. Also known as the Scrooge McDuck fallacy. Whereas in reality wealthy people have their money working for them in the marketplace in various ways. So any billionaire who has their wealth heavily invested in foreign bulldozers is going to feel the tariff much more than the working person.
All of the above being moot since Trump is using the threat of tariffs as a bargaining chip. Which right now seems to be working.; 22-08-25 4:49 PM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Rusty, Rusty, Rusty, oh my and bless your heart. Classic Rusty move — pose as the calm logician, declare “two fallacies,” and still sidestep the point while slipping in a Trump defense.

But let’s set the record straight:

Bulldozers? Tariffs don’t stay confined to capital goods. We’ve seen it in farm commodities, steel, and bourbon — workers and consumers feel the hit long before billionaires do.

Scrooge McDuck? I never said billionaires swim in gold coins. My point is they have levers to shield themselves — portfolio shifts, pricing power, lobbying. A farmer or grocery shopper doesn’t.

“Just a bargaining chip”? Even as a chip, the costs are real. Farm bailouts cost billions. Bourbon exports tanked. That’s not abstraction, that’s working families.

So if we’re talking fallacies, it’s pretending tariffs only pinch billionaires or that temporary pain somehow doesn’t count.

Considering your declared expertise in argumentation, I yield the floor to you.; 22-08-25 7:25 PM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: @Ronald (3:30) in the first paragraph you acknowledge the points I raised, and in your second paragraph you start lecturing a former business school professor (adjunct professor, but still ...) about how everything works -- or is supposed to work in whatever universe you inhabit. In 2025 US of A t doesn't work that way and it hasn't.

Arrogant wuss, aren't you?; 22-08-25 10:22 PM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Okay, someone once taught a class. Got it. I’m a wuss. So be it. Times have changed and history no longer matters. Add those up and it clearly proves I’m wrong about tariffs hitting American consumers while billionaires are the ones being soaked? Two plus two obviously equals a horse. What was I thinking?

Meanwhile, Walmart CEO Doug McMillon has said that as post-tariff inventory runs out, prices will keep rising. Just yesterday, Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell warned that Trump’s tariffs are pushing consumer prices higher and will continue to do so in the coming months. Home Depot, TJ Maxx, and Target are echoing the same. Smaller chains like Claire’s have already folded under the pressure.

And this $8-a-pound ground beef I’m staring at — is there some rebate form where the billionaires send me a reimbursement?; 23-08-25 8:08 AM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: RJW
And as I said. Canada has dropped all tariffs on US goods.
You're very good at missing the point.
BTW Do you know what group of people are very good at playing the grain futures market? Farmers. There is also something called "crop insurance"
I find your lumping "billionaires" in a homogenous category amusing. Hence my reference to the Scrooge McDuck fallacy.
Do you know how people become billionaires?; 23-08-25 8:33 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Rusty, I’ll take your points one by one.

First, Canada dropping tariffs on our goods doesn’t undo the fact that Trump’s tariffs raised our own import costs and invited retaliation in the first place. That’s like congratulating yourself for putting out the fire you lit.

Second, yes, farmers know the futures market and crop insurance exists. But neither of those shielded them from the massive taxpayer-funded bailouts that Washington had to cut when their overseas markets dried up. That wasn’t theory — it was billions out of the Treasury because tariffs backfired.

Third, I never said billionaires are all the same. My point was that they have tools the average worker doesn’t: pricing power, lobbying, portfolio adjustments. A farmer in Iowa or a shopper at Walmart doesn’t get to hedge with an index fund or call up a senator.

As for “how people become billionaires” — sometimes it’s brilliance, sometimes inheritance, sometimes monopoly power, sometimes political connections. But however they got there, it doesn’t change the fact that tariffs hit consumers and workers first, and billionaires last.

So no, I didn’t miss the point. I think you’re just ducking mine.; 23-08-25 8:56 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell warned …

Jerome Powell does not have a degree in economics. His BA is in political science and his postgraduate degree is a JD. Trump’s degree is in economics, from Wharton back when it was still Wharton.

The firms you list addicted themselves to cheap Chinese goods. They need to find alternative sources of product, and they need to have gotten on this no later than the first week of last February. Europe, perhaps, but SE Asia, and Africa are potential sources, not to mention American manufacturers giving jobs to American workers. Do you look for the “Made in the USA” label when you shop? Why not?

As to ground beef, maybe you need to wean yourself away from Waygu beef.; 23-08-25 9:42 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Yes, Ronald, I am laughing at you.; 23-08-25 9:43 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Mike, I’ll take the laugh in stride — though it sounds more like whistling past the evidence.

On credentials: Jerome Powell may not have a PhD in economics, but he’s been vetted by both parties, served on the Fed board under multiple presidents, and is surrounded by career economists whose data informs his statements. He’s not freelancing opinion — he’s reporting consensus findings.

Meanwhile, Trump’s economics degree hasn’t kept him from claiming tariffs are “free” when every measurable outcome has shown otherwise.

On “cheap Chinese goods”: firms did diversify, but supply chains don’t rewire in a week or even a year without higher costs flowing down to consumers. You can slap a “Made in the USA” label on goods, but unless you’re prepared to accept much higher prices across the board, that’s not a magic bullet. And when inflation is already top of mind for working families, tariffs make it worse, not better.

As for the beef jab — I’ll take your word that my $8/lb ground chuck is secretly Wagyu. But for most families, these price hikes aren’t a punchline. They’re the checkout line.

So laugh if you like. I’ll stick with Powell’s data, Walmart’s inventory warnings, and the Federal Reserve’s analysis — because they add up a lot more clearly than “trust Trump, he once took Econ 101”.; 23-08-25 10:02 AM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: And Mike, if credentials are the gold standard, then surely you’ll agree with Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize–winning economist, and Robert Reich, former U.S. Secretary of Labor and professor of public policy. Both have been unequivocal about tariffs hurting American consumers far more than foreign governments or billionaires.

Unless, of course, the rule is “degrees count only when they flatter Trump.”; 23-08-25 10:18 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Still laughing.; 23-08-25 11:58 AM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: Ronald J. Ward said... @ 8;56

Re; tariffs Canada. Negotiating tactic. You seem to have missed that. The idea was to raise our tariffs on their goods to a point where it was a good idea to lower tariffs on all good on both sides. It worked.

Bailouts to who? Farmers? The subsidies have always been there. Farmers aren't stupid. They know how the system works. Or are you conflating tax incentives with subsidies?
very vague on this point.

Yes you did. Otherwise I wouldn't have had to make that point. The fact is that the pool of the people you like to label "billionaires" changes from day to day. The way the make and grow their wealth is different for every individual. So to say they have economic advantages that you and I don't have isn't entirely true. Oh. And the other fallacy that you make is that every billionaire has a politician in their pocket. And yet another fallacy you make is conflating wealth with cash.

Yes " Individuals" become billionaires. I'll tell you something that you won't believe , but is still true. Far more "billionaires" lose their billions than keep it. It is not a zero sum game. It is constantly in a state of flux.

The Canadian decision to stop all tariff against the United States is a net benefit for the consumer. As I said before Trump is using Tariffs as a negotiating tool to the benefit of all Americans. Canada proves this. Others will follow. Do you know why?; 23-08-25 12:18 PM
Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...: Rusty, you’ve laid a lot of balls on the table, but let me keep the anchor where it belongs: tariffs raise prices for American consumers. That’s not vague, it’s exactly what the Federal Reserve and retailers themselves are warning right now.

As for Canada, calling it a “negotiating tactic” doesn’t change the fact that Americans are paying more for clothes, tools, and groceries in the meantime. A good deal doesn’t feel like a good deal if your grocery bill jumps before the “win” arrives.

And billionaires — I’m not sure why you think pointing out that they come and go, or that their wealth isn’t all in cash, changes the reality: they have access to tax advantages and lobbying influence that no small business owner or wage earner could dream of. That’s not a fallacy, it’s just the imbalance we live with.

So, back to the core question: if tariffs are a “win for all Americans,” where’s the part where ordinary Americans stop paying higher prices?; 23-08-25 1:22 PM
Rusty చెప్పారు...: Again you miss the point. tariff negotiations are a win. I'll tell you why. We, the United States is the biggest market in the world for just about everything. So we make the rules. don't like the rules, don't play.; 23-08-25 3:10 PM

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