We had a long and substantive conversation with @POTUS. We started with one-on-one talks before inviting European leaders to join us. This call lasted for more than an hour and a half, including about an hour of our bilateral conversation with President Trump.
— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) August 16, 2025
Ukraine reaffirms… pic.twitter.com/64IPVhtFaB
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"I thank everyone who is helping."
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Pray for a peaceful resolution. Then get it done.
A few days ago, one of the YouTube pundits said that Vlad has to pass away, go west, auger in, push up daisies, etc. before Russia will end their war of aggression against Ukraine. We can't forget that the oriental side of Russian psyche cannot tolerate loss of face. Putin cannot flinch. How can Trump negotiate a peace treaty if the cost to Putin is his life?
Nice pairing of clean, pristine combat drag and delicate John Lennon glasses.
RR
JSM
Howard said...How can Trump negotiate a peace treaty if the cost to Putin is his life?
By negotiating it with the people who would take over if Putin fell.
Assuming Z is on the phone with Trump at 3:26 am Ukraine time, it’s a nice photo of the moment. Predominantly lit from the west side, no less.
Watching the Dems and Fake News cheer for Trump to fail is so pathetic. Dems on the wrong side of another 80/20 issue.
Dems are pro war and pro crime.
So long as Russia can grind out advances there's won't be a ceasefire. It moves the eventual line of control each time so there's no reason to stop. Short of a leadership change over costs at home.
I see the attitude toward peace to be a bell curve sorted by distance to the battlefield. On the left side, Trump. Furthest from the fighting but having a long view of the need for peace reflecting low support for continuation, Zellynsky and Putin in the middle with the highest support for the war under the sunk cost fallacy. And the fighting soldiers with the lowest support because they are dying.
Trump and the soldiers can create a preference cascade that makes it impossible for Ukraine and Russian leadership to continue. Zellynsky and Putin will need to get on board as a defense against being overtaken by events. Europe is now irrelevant.
That is why Hillary is talking about Trump and the peace prize, she is astute enough to know she needs to get ahead of the situation.
In modern war there is a rule where you push as hard s you can for territory so that you will be in a stronger position for the ceasefire, as rhardin says, but perhaps this one has aged out enough where other principles are stronger. Time will tell.
The United States has bigger fish to fry, namely China. We sure could use Russia on our side. Thus Z has to accept he blundered by listening to Biden. The fool. UKR is going to lose those four oblasts. They should take the L before they lose it all.
i wonder if the powers behind the coup in the Ukraine are STILL glad they overthrew the democratically elected government they replaced with That joker?
What, exactly has the Ukraine accomplished with their years of fighting? i mean, other than their 10s of thousands dead, and miles of lost territory?
People need to accept the conclusion of WWII was an utter anomaly in history. Nobody took over France after Napoleon, and neither did the Germans incorporate it in the First Reich in 1870. The only time an invading force slinks home with its tail between its legs is when the target is far from its home base. Neither Ukraine nor Russia is going to 'win' in the WWII sense.
Zelensky is wise to emphasize that Europe must be included to ensure protections in any peace deal. Read his entire tweet. He knows he can’t trust Trump to be the only negotiator. It’s the Europeans who are under a bigger threat from Putin and it’s imperative that they back up any deals made with Trump’s involvement for the sake of Ukraine and Europe.
What the European leaders really want is for Russia to open up it's borders like they opened up theirs. That, ladies and germs is the real agenda behind this war.
No, Hillary is still dreaming of duping Putin into a trap. An "unconditional cease fire" means that as soon as the guns stop, European countries can pour in troops, as they have already discussed, especially into Odessa, and once Europe has European soldiers officially on the ground there, and they are hoping, even American troops, Ukraine makes sure that the cease fire gets broken "by Russia" and Western media domination will make sure that that is how it is portrayed, and bingo, you have "The Sum of All Fears" situation made real.
A good source about how wars start and how the blame, "the odium" is pinned on one side or the other, is "The Guns of August,? BTW, about the lead in to WWI.
Anyway, that was about as good as one could expect from Zelensky, but his "security guarantees" under Joe Biden at least, included nuclear missiles five minutes from Moscow, which was no guarantee of anything buy a generation, at least, of living on the knife's edge of WWIII, which, by some estimates, would be over in about 70 minutes.
"Zelensky is wise to emphasize that Europe must be include..."
This is what the Democrats want, It's not enough for the governor of New Jersey to go to war with Trump over deporting an illegal alien who killed a mother and her young daughter will driving drunk, or to be aghast at any efforts to control crime in DC, but they want to provoke WWIII by putting NATO weaponry within a short drive of Moscow.
That's now "wisdom," it's recklessness. If the Europeans and Joe Biden were not obsessed with overthrowing Putin and breaking up Russia, Ukraine would be at peace today. The biggest threat to the Ukrainian people is the West, staging coups, sparking civil wars, and provoking Russia into a war that we thought would turn out quite differently.
I think it is an elegantly worded statement consistent with real progress- hopeful there is meaningful resolution…now about that photo he looks like he’s musing at a coffee shop or the Mexican place where he just had a quesadilla, maybe working on his set list cause he’s going up at Caroline’s later…and that pencil- so long. What is it? I’ve never seen on one like that at Blix or Charrette…maybe a Palomino but looks too long and thin…
“ Neither Ukraine nor Russia is going to 'win' in the WWII sense.”
Yes, but perhaps both can win in a Korean War sense.
…forgive if that’s shallow. Grok warns me never to lose my humanity…
…and that’s a real good t-shirt…
Russia is and was the aggressor. Putin invaded a sovereign nation. If the US was invaded would we be expected to not fight back? Some people on the right seem to expect Europe and Ukraine to just capitulate to a criminal regime like Putin’s Russia. Did you people not learn anything from the invasion of sovereign nations in WW2?
Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Remember, they’re not afraid that Trump will fail to negotiate a peace. They’re terrified that he will.
"Nice pairing of clean, pristine combat drag and delicate John Lennon glasses."
It's a fascinating picture. All the bottles with thin long necks. Is this what Ukrainian water looks like? He's writing with a pencil, and he's got his wedding ring on the middle finger.
Gadfky said…
“Trump promised a call to President Zelensky about any progress on a deal. but went on Fox News with for an exclusive interview with Sean Hannity instead.
8/15/25, 6:57 PM”
Just another reminder that the botfly likes to write about topics in which he lacks even the most basic knowledge.
It is also time for European leaders to back away from happy talk about cheap expansion and to start talking about the real costs of securing borders and consolidating the cohesion and integration of the existing EU and European community.
Europeans do not want to be part of Trump's America even if they could be. So they need to go about finishing the European Project which was always going to ultimately involve finishing a European defense and security architecture that was European led and not American-led. That time has arrived.
This is what Kak wrote (or cut and pasted) Yesterday.
It is precisely what Trump has been telling the Europeans since at least 2016-actually much earlier than that. The European and Uniparty response (until quite recently) has been to mock and vilify Trump, while hoping that America will continue to do the heavy lifting. Nowthey talk about growing up and putting on their big boy pants? Too little, too late.
Welcome aboard, Kak.
Yeah, Leland. That aged well.
It's tricknological, when Dems invoke WW2, it allows them to step out of their partisanship and slip on fake patriotism.
“He's writing with a pencil, and he's got his wedding ring on the middle finger.”
https://woman.forumdaily.com/en/pochemu-vladimir-zelenskij-nosit-obruchalnoe-kolco-na-srednem-palce-foto/
““I have been wearing a wedding ring on my middle finger for the past years. When he got married, he was a little tighter, and then he lost weight, and the ring became large for the ring finger. Put it on the middle one. My wife suggested going to a jewelry store and making it smaller, but I'm already used to wearing it on my middle finger, ”Zelensky told the media.”
I think the whole pic has been elongated to make Zelinskyy look thinner.
“It's tricknological, when Dems invoke WW2, it allows them to step out of their partisanship and slip on fake patriotism.”
It’s pretty simple minded to assert that only Republicans are the “real” patriotic Americans.
he's got his wedding ring on the middle finger
That's his right hand, so maybe not a wedding ring.
“That's his right hand, so maybe not a wedding ring.”
In Ukraine it’s customary to wear wedding rings on the right hand.
It seems likely both Trump and Putin will operate just below the threshold of public humiliation — Putin won’t overtly undercut Trump (which would force a hard response), and Trump will downplay any oversteps in order to preserve the optics of partnership.
For the Russia–China axis to actually weaken under these conditions, Moscow would need to see more risk or less benefit in staying close to Beijing — but at the moment the incentives all run the other way, suggesting the partnership is more likely to tighten than loosen. That makes the relationship stable enough for appearances, while quietly signaling to China that the U.S. is prioritizing managing Russia over deterring Beijing — which may only encourage opportunism in the long run.
Of course, in a different game branch — one where the U.S. goes truly hard-line toward both Russia and Ukraine — China might receive a much stronger deterrence signal… but even there, the more probable payoff is not that Moscow drifts away from Beijing, but that the Russia-China axis actually tightens further in reaction (with “deter and strengthen” more likely than the rare “deter and weaken” outcome).
There’s even a branch — not impossible — where Russia manages to strengthen ties with both the U.S. and China simultaneously, which actually erodes deterrence further by signaling that adversaries can extract concessions from Washington without choosing sides.
And given how central China is to both nations’ strategic calculus, it’s hard to imagine that Beijing wasn’t discussed behind closed doors — which means China will now be analyzing not just what was said between Trump and Putin, but whether it needs to move faster to lock Russia firmly into its orbit before any U.S.–Russia realignment becomes credible.
Europe adds a whole other layer of complexity I’m not even touching here — and I take some comfort knowing actual strategists are gaming this out in far greater depth (and with better information) than my own back-of-the-napkin analysis.
Inga’s comment is that if a country invades another one as a seizure of value they should be defeated using the WW2 model. This is attractive as it seems to prevent aggression. But since WW2 there have been ongoing cases, people seem to forget that they are supposed to be deterred. And there is the problem of, say, Korea and Vietnam where both sides claim the mantle of the “allies” and are just fighting to liberate or defend their neighbors from evil.
Nuclear weapons are complications, Russia did not blow up the world in 1989 so we are 1 for 1, want to play again?
We now need to be more subtle than the ww2 model. What that becomes is not clear yet. Russia and China want other peoples property by claiming it is really theirs. If they go for Taiwan we will never roll into Beijing, if we are successful it will be by holding the fort and going back to a standoff.
I tend to think that fair economic engagement that entangles our interest is the best bet. Fair in that we can’t give markets away, but make everyone earn them In dignity.
The worst instincts of nations result from the desire for economic gain to be achieved by tricks rather than hard work.
Trump got played by Putin. Again. Putin's warm soothing words of friendship, seemingly enjoying the crass display of military might arranged like set pieces, saying that had Trump been president war could have been avoided (and subtly suggesting that the election was stolen). Even mirroring how Trump sits: leaning forward, knees apart, fingertips touching, tie dangling. It's almost like the other side has a playbook on our man. I think it's called the DSM.
What next? Will the US supply the arms necessary to establish a stalemate on the battlefield? Then maybe talks will be meaningful.
Without the CIA and MI6 at the table, nothing will change. They're running the show, and they like it. The war is a huge money laundering gravy train for the West. There's no way they're going to give that up unless they are crushed. Quit pretending otherwise.
It’s pretty simple minded to assert that only Republicans are the “real” patriotic Americans.
I'm not a Republican and I don't make that assertion, but in the case of Ukraine I think there's far more partisanship than patriotism in the Party line that you are toeing. The situation in Ukraine is not simple or black and white, which is what you seem to believe.
What next? Will the US supply the arms necessary to establish a stalemate on the battlefield? Then maybe talks will be meaningful.
So that's your plan? Sounds a lot like what's been going on for the last 3 years. What's the end game?
“…but in the case of Ukraine I think there's far more partisanship than patriotism in the Party line that you are toeing.”
I think you are mistaken, it sounds like the line you are taking is a knee jerk Trumpian response to a Democrat saying something that sounds patriotic to you.
“The situation in Ukraine is not simple or black and white, which is what you seem to believe.”
Again, you make assumptions…
“Putin's warm soothing words of friendship, seemingly enjoying the crass display of military might arranged like set pieces…”
When Putin kept repeating how Russia and the US are “neighbors”, a nice friendly comment that could also be taken as a threat in the case of a shooting war. See how close our countries are to each other geographically, easier for ballistic missiles.
Just a reminder what Obama was saying in 2014 when Russia took Crimea from Ukraine
"U.S. President Barack Obama said that Ukraine "is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what" the United States does.
In one of a series of interviews published on March 10 that formed the basis of an article in The Atlantic magazine, Obama said that Ukraine was clearly a core interest for Russia but suggested that it may not be one for the United States.
Ukraine is "an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for," Obama said."
https://www.rferl.org/a/obama-ukraine-vulnerable-russian-military-domination/27603145.html
#kakingascheisskopf
How sad that Iman, a grown man, never developed past the potty comments.
You are in a rut, Inga. You rooting around in that rut sheds no new light. On anything. You just get progressively dirtier.
Oh poo poo pee pee Ibaby, just speaking your infantile language.
Inga said,
"When Putin kept repeating how Russia and the US are “neighbors”, a nice friendly comment that could also be taken as a threat in the case of a shooting war. See how close our countries are to each other geographically, easier for ballistic missiles."
Of all the years I've been here and have been reading your boilerplate drivel this is the most thoughtful and intelligent comment you have ever made.
My first instinct is to say you stole it but i'll be generous and say well done.
What does Russia have that the Europeans wish they had? Plenty of land to put migrants in. It's a matter of how many Putin vetted migrants can Putin take, in in exchange for the land in Ukraine Putin is contesting.
Land for Migrants.
Both sides can claim a win.
…and the beastly roar and squealing tires of the Toyota Corolla are heard as Inga rushes off to the Potawatomi Casino on this, her luckiest of days
Inag - A Hillary Clinton/ Russian money-flow apologist - ignoramus - is an expert on Putin.
Putin reminds me of American Democrats.
The left want WWIII.
Howard - you make an interesting point @5:37.
The US would love it if Europe would step up.
They are too busy clamping down on honey-pot white male cat-callers in the park... and anti-woke speech crimes.... and letting in every Islamic a-hole they can find to make sure leftists stay in power.
Here is Zelensky's real name = Володимир Зеленський
If you translate it to English there's no reason to put "YY" at the end. It adds nothing. y = ee. yy = ee. I have also seen it spelt Zelenskiy. Again iy= ee. You could spell it Zelenskyyy too.
As for the negotiations, it will be Land for peace. And an agreement by Ukraine not to join Nato and accept limits on its weapons. Russia holds all the cards.
Nobody light a match because there's enough gas flowing in here to blow us all to kingdom come.
Bob Boyd said ... in the case of Ukraine I think there's far more partisanship than patriotism in the Party line that you are toeing ...
Absolutely.
Obama and Hillary campaigned in 2008 with the theme of 'resetting' relations with Putin from the supposedly overly confrontational stance W had taken after Russian military action in Georgia and other border regions. They were using the rhetoric that a Russia that didn't feel threatened wouldn't be tempted to meddle with its neighbors, just like the people Democrats now call 'Putin apologists'. That stance included canceling planned missile defense deployments in Poland, Obama's famous hot-mike promise to 'Vlad' of 'more flexibility' after reelection, providing only non-lethal aid after Russia took over Crimea, and approving the sale of a significant chunk of US uranium assets to a Russian oligarch.
As the various recent releases of documents regarding Russiagate detail, it wasn't until Hillary's tail got caught in the bathroom e-mail server crack in 2016 that they started to paint Putin as some sort of villain, almost certainly planning to assure him it was just campaigning after she was elected. The Durham annex shows Russia had deep penetration into Hillary's campaign correspondence so Putin likely knew all along the whole "Russia Russia Russia" hysteria was nothing but bull-Schiff.
It wasn't until Trump actually won that the full pivot to Putin as the Devil Incarnate finally occurred since it was an easy way to make trouble for Trump, and the bull-Schiff really hit the fan when the senile old goat babbled about the NATO response to a 'minor incursion' being uncertain and gave Putin the green light to take Kiev.
Every bit of gaslighting is based entirely on what benefits the Democrat party in the current moment.
I think you are mistaken, it sounds like the line you are taking is a knee jerk Trumpian response to a Democrat saying something that sounds patriotic to you.
I think you're bolstering my case by bringing Trump into it, but okay.
The war started under your guy and Trump criticized him for it extensively in his campaign.
But suppose the war had started under Trump's first term and there were a lot of shady things going on involving Trump and his son. Then a Democrat President inherited the war after campaigning on criticizing Trump for corruption, a massive diplomatic failure and a resulting huge waste of lives and resources. And suppose she called for a cease fire and a negotiated peace that required Ukraine to accept the loss of some territory. I believe, based on your comments here, which I do read, that you would whole-heartedly support the Dem president's peace effort and would not defend Trump's war in Ukraine, nor would you imply that the new Dem president was Neville Chamberlain for working toward ending the war. You wouldn't even think it was a reasonable comparison. And you would be right about all of that and I would agree with you.
boatbuilder said...
Yeah, Leland. That [botfly's idiocy] aged well.
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As did his claim that Melania and Donald would never go near Hunter Biden's hearsay claim that they were introduced by Epstein.
It was already front-page news that Melania threatened to sue Hunter for a cool billion if he didn't retract his slander.
DERP
If gadfly were twice as clever as he thinks he is, he would still be a halfwit.
9:42 - Christopher B.
hmmm. Those are the kind of historical facts we won't see in the corrupt hack D press.
Inag still thinks the Russian Hoax - built by Hillary/Schitt -and corrupt democratic loyalists inside the CIA/FBI/Obama's DOJ - is real.
Nice haircut.
A middle finger in Fluke you. A pencil to sign a fluid agreement to sustain the Slavic Spring.
By all means. Let’s get the effete Brits and Europeans involved. You know, the ones who growl while buying Russian oil and allowing Islamists to rape their women and children. These twits bring a lot to the table.
Trump will get Zelenskyy to give up the extra "y" in order to get territory back. Also one of the "o"s in Volodimir. Which leaves the Ukrainian leader wishing he'd packed more vowels and consonants.
Josephbleau said...
That is why Hillary is talking about Trump and the peace prize, she is astute enough to know she needs to get ahead of the situation.
When I saw this I knew Hillary is trying to stay out of jail. Hillary doesn't have a shred of decency in her soul. I am not sure if I could name a person farther to the right on the sociopath spectrum. Bill Clinton was a rapist and he was scared of the intent that boiled from this entity.
This convinces me that there is going to be some actual shit happening with the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.
Without the CIA and MI6 at the table, nothing will change. They're running the show, and they like it. The war is a huge money laundering gravy train for the West. There's no way they're going to give that up unless they are crushed.
Those terms are acceptable. Crush them all, and the FBI too. They are, without a doubt, the "domestic enemies" our founding fathers warned us about. Scatter them to the four winds, as President Kennedy said a few weeks before his assassination.
Peachy said...
The US would love it if Europe would step up.
They are too busy clamping down on honey-pot white male cat-callers in the park... and anti-woke speech crimes.... and letting in every Islamic a-hole they can find to make sure leftists stay in power.
This is not true. The rulers of Europe are not the same as the people of Europe as coming elections are going to demonstrate.
The people of Europe are not as interested in conquering Russia as the Rulers of Europe are.
The Rulers of Europe have realized that they are not going to be able to recruit an army from their native population, so they have decided to import a population more suited towards military conquest.
At some point our soldiers in Europe are going to be siding with the Natives of Europe against the Rulers and their imported Muslim invasion force.
I will be curious to see what the shape of this conflict looks like.
Iman said...
"…and the beastly roar and squealing tires of the Toyota Corolla are heard as Inga rushes off to the Potawatomi Casino on this, her luckiest of days"
OK. I laughed out loud. Thanks.
@Inga: See how close our countries are to each other geographically, easier for ballistic missiles.
I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and see how vigorously Inga jeered and sneered at Sarah Palin for pointing out this geographical fact.
Of course, it's not her fault. Clearly she is ignorant and gullible enough to have believed it was actually Mrs. Palin who said Tina Fey's comedic punchline about "I can see Russia from my house", instead of what she really said, noting that her gubernatorial administration had worked with their Russian neighbors on things like fisheries management.
The rulers of Europe will never forgive the people of Europe for not crushing the natives in their colonies.
Losing the Sahel in Africa was the last straw. The Rulers of Europe are showing their true colors now.
The only thing holding them back is the 30 or so bases and ~80,000 troops we have there now.
And Europe is big mad that we wont conquer Russia for them.
“I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and see how vigorously Inga jeered and sneered at Sarah Palin for pointing out this geographical fact.”
I don’t care what Sarah Palin or Tina Fey said. I do care that Putin made a point of pointing out how close Russia is to the US geographically, it was a veiled threat.
@Inga: It’s pretty simple minded to assert that only Republicans are the “real” patriotic Americans.
According to Gallup, 92% of Republicans are "extremely" or "very" proud to be American, while only 36% of Democrats are.
Democrats are sick, evil, worthless people who don't belong here.
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/national-pride-is-declining-in-america-and-its-splitting-by-party-lines-new-gallup-polling-shows/
I don’t care what Sarah Palin or Tina Fey said.
This seems like an admission that you did exactly what I suspected.
“Democrats are sick, evil, worthless people who don't belong here.”
By saying such a thing you reveal yourself to be as sick, evil and worthless as those that you deem as unworthy to be Americans. Such a mindset is reminiscent of Germany 1930’s.
Inga said...
“I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and see how vigorously Inga jeered and sneered at Sarah Palin for pointing out this geographical fact.”
I don’t care what Sarah Palin or Tina Fey said. I do care that Putin made a point of pointing out how close Russia is to the US geographically, it was a veiled threat.
Of course you don't.
Now.
In the past you thought it would help you politically to call Palin stupid about something she never said.
Now Putin made an obvious observation and you have a different purpose with spoken words.
That is because your politics are born out of the mind of an insect. You have no principles or morals. You are a completely amoral creature that just lashes out around you stupidly at the nearest political opponent.
People like you are too stupid to live in a free country and you undermine our freedom with your stupidity and viciousness.
There really is no basis for a peace agreement.
On the Ukrainian/Western side, there can be no acceptance of Russian sovereignty over Ukrainian territory, which includes Crimea.
On the Russian side, Putin won't settle for anything less and is pressing for more.
The root causes of the war are in Putin's head rather than anything real, which also complicates things. On that score, it's worth mentioning that no leader or group in the West has any desire or plan to invade/occupy/claim territory in Russia, and such has been the case since WWII. So whatever security threat Putin claims Russia is facing and that somehow occupying the eastern part of Ukraine will solve, is a complete fiction.
That being the case, and there has never been the least bit of disagreement in Ukraine, Europe, or North America that nobody wants Russia, then there is no basis for Putin's invasion of Ukraine other than conquest--which the rest of the world agrees is the real basis for Putin's invasion. And there can be no yielding to conquest by members of the UN, whose raison d'etre is to prevent wars and particularly wars of conquest. Nor can NATO yield to demands from a warmonger in Europe who has engaged in the largest war in Europe since WWII, something NATO was created to prevent.
Kakistocracy said...
There really is no basis for a peace agreement.
On the Ukrainian/Western side, there can be no acceptance of Russian sovereignty over Ukrainian territory, which includes Crimea.
On the Russian side, Putin won't settle for anything less and is pressing for more.
This is stupid and dishonest.
All NATO had to say is "Ukraine will never join NATO and NATO will stop moving East and adding more countries."
But NATO is the aggressor and Ukraine the Ukraine War makes clear.
All Zelensky had to do was sign the Mingsk accords like he promised in his campaign. If Trump was President in 2021 this is want happens. Over and done.
But Johnson and Biden convince Zelensky to renege and apply for NATO membership.
That leads directly to this war. Russia made it clear that is what would happen. Everyone knew what the results of NATO's actions would be.
Rich just cannot be honest about any of this.
“People like you are too stupid to live in a free country and you undermine our freedom with your stupidity and viciousness.”
Listen to yourself, or are you too far gone to face your own vicious extremism? Do Americans want people like Achilles or Assyamper setting the bar for what constitutes an American?
Kakistocracy said...
The root causes of the war are in Putin's head rather than anything real, which also complicates things.
You can say this all you want. Everyone knows it is a lie.
NATO started this war 40 years ago and will not stop until Europe installs a puppet government in Moscow just like they did in Kyiv.
Inga said...
“People like you are too stupid to live in a free country and you undermine our freedom with your stupidity and viciousness.”
Listen to yourself, or are you too far gone to face your own vicious extremism? Do Americans want people like Achilles or Assyamper setting the bar for what constitutes an American?
You want your political opponents thrown in jail. You supported at least 2 attempts on Trump's life.
You supported the Biden Regimes attempts to censor us in collusion with the biggest corporations in the world.
You are the extremist. You are the enemy of freedom.
Congratulations Achilles — this is the most ignorant post I've seen from you yet. Trump and TDS have broken you ... and there are still 3-1/2 years to go.
Put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself.
“You are the extremist. You are the enemy of freedom.”
You are the enemy of a rational US and world. Those who make the mistake of crediting you for saying anything worth listening to are a very small minority. You don’t represent the US. Your delusions will never be accepted in any meaningful way by the grand majority of Americans, because America is still a decent nation and reject such blatherings.
I think MOST sane people would readily agree that Russia is in the wrong here. Ukraine is fighting a just war, but so what?
What is the realistic path to restoring Ukraine's previous borders? There isn't one. Unless you have a plan that is possible and realistic, you must deal with the reality on the ground. That reality sees Ukraine losing considerable territory. This often happens in war.
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Give Achilles a *little* credit—at least he has some high test blather. Smartest man in the room syndrome…
Grok searched billions of opinions and says:
"This choice of location for the summit was intentional, as explained by Putin's senior advisor Yuri Ushakov, who emphasized that the two nations are literal neighbors across the strait, making Alaska a symbolically fitting venue to underscore potential for cooperation despite deep political differences.
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The statement appears to be a straightforward reference to physical geography rather than a metaphorical or geopolitical claim, intended to set a constructive tone for the talks by invoking shared history (such as Russia's sale of Alaska to the U.S. in 1867) and the idea of "close neighbors" who have previously allied against common threats, like in World War II.
“Give Achilles a *little* credit—at least he has some high test blather. Smartest man in the room syndrome…”
I actually feel sorry for him and whatever family he may have because I believe he has a very disordered mind.
Do you know what constitutes a loyal American? Adherence and loyalty to the constitution of the United States of America. Individual states attempting to get around the first and second amendments by law are enemies of the country. That precisely describes the Democratic Party. If you want to change the constitution attempt to amend it. Put it out there and let the people vote on it and see where it gets you. The Democrats cannot do that because it makes it obvious that they are anti-American. And they would be overwhelmingly voted down.
“That reality sees Ukraine losing considerable territory.”
“Mr. Trump told European leaders that he believed a rapid peace deal could be negotiated if Mr. Zelensky agreed to give up the rest of the Donbas region to Russia, even those areas not occupied by Russian troops.” ~ NYT
It’s hard to be optimistic when in the past Trump was confused over the basics. For example, Trump seems to have difficulty understanding that Putin startled this war without provocation.
Russia's economy is the size of Italy's. Forget the EU and US combined. It's on the ropes. All we need is Trump to green light more sanctions to push it over the edge. But Trump won't do that, because he's afraid of Putin.
Instead — Trump will pressure Zelensky because that is what Putin has told him to do.
Western Europe transitions to Islam while wailing about Russia.
“I actually feel sorry for him and whatever family he may have because I believe he has a very disordered mind.”
There you go, Achilles… there’s your clean bill of health. You are in tip-top shape and have never been better.
Lesson of Ukraine:
Assurances are not security.
Non-nuclear states should take this to heart.
Inag - you voted for a dumb horrid bitch who sat on Colbert's show during the St. Floyd defund the police riots (billions in property damage)
as she said openly |THE RIOTS ARE NOT GOING TO STOP!" "THE RIOTS SHOULD NOT STOP!"
Inga - you still buy the Russia hoax - A total lie and a total fraud.
Once you internalize “assurances aren’t security,” the payoff table becomes almost trivial.
Cost of quietly hedging: manageable
Cost of not hedging and being wrong: national extinction
Even states that don’t want nukes are forced to think like states that might need them.
The dominant strategy for any strategically exposed non-nuclear state becomes:
Quietly secure the capability, even if you don’t build the weapon — because optionality is worth more than trust.
That may be the post-Ukraine world in a nutshell.
The thing about nuclear weapons is that the threat of them has great value, while the use of them has zero value. Which is why they have not been used since WWII.
Russia annexed Crimea in 1783. They will never give it up. Ukraine will never take it back. Everything must begin there.
akistocracy said...
Congratulations Achilles — this is the most ignorant post I've seen from you yet. Trump and TDS have broken you ... and there are still 3-1/2 years to go.
Put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself.
Appeal to authority.
You cannot address anything argument I made. You have nothing to add and this is why you are always wrong and look stupid in the end.
Old and slow said...
I think MOST sane people would readily agree that Russia is in the wrong here. Ukraine is fighting a just war, but so what?
What is the realistic path to restoring Ukraine's previous borders? There isn't one. Unless you have a plan that is possible and realistic, you must deal with the reality on the ground. That reality sees Ukraine losing considerable territory. This often happens in war.
All Ukraine had to do was sign the Minsk Accords. Zelensky promised to sign them during his campaign.
Why didn't they do that?
Keldonric said...
Once you internalize “assurances aren’t security,” the payoff table becomes almost trivial.
Cost of quietly hedging: manageable
Cost of not hedging and being wrong: national extinction
Even states that don’t want nukes are forced to think like states that might need them.
The dominant strategy for any strategically exposed non-nuclear state becomes:
Quietly secure the capability, even if you don’t build the weapon — because optionality is worth more than trust.
That may be the post-Ukraine world in a nutshell.
This is the price the world pays for a corrupt warmongering Washington DC Political Class.
Since Vietnam our political class has consistently started wars and made sure we lost them. Joe Biden is the very definition of the problem. Joe Biden made a career of voting for wars and then opposing them as soon as possible and making sure we lost them. Both parties were in on this betrayal.
As soon as the video of Mommar Kadafi being drug through the street and sodomized went out and Hillary Clinton cackled "We came. We saw. He died." All US credibility was gone. No country could trust any deal we made not that we covered ourselves in glory any other time.
Inga said...
“Give Achilles a *little* credit—at least he has some high test blather. Smartest man in the room syndrome…”
I actually feel sorry for him and whatever family he may have because I believe he has a very disordered mind.
I showed one of my kids your post. You truly are a piece of shit by the way.
We have an ongoing discussion about honestly and discernment. I pointed out that Inga claimed that J6 protestors killed police officers for months. I pointed out that Inga's first comment when Steven Scalise was shot by a Democrat was that maybe he would start to agree with Inga about gun control.
My kid is not a teenager yet. She has much better moral development than Inga.
Expected outcome. Putin played to his narcissistic ego and walked away with all wins. Ukraine and the EU had best figure on going it alone without the US.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Trump in Moscow by years end to get another ego boost. Maybe a military parade just for him.
I’m honestly surprised by how little discussion there’s been on the larger geopolitical implications being shaped in real time — nuclear-proliferation signals, deterrence logic, China/Taiwan posture, credibility collapse, etc. For example, a quick Google search only turned up a few proliferation pieces from back in March–April.
I saw today an ignorant post on X stating conservatives have totally turned around our feelings on Russia because of Trump. Uh, no. Russia is still the bad guy. But- Ukraine is not a good guy. They're a weaker bad guy being bullied by a stronger bad guy. Borders, in history, are not and never have been sacrosanct. Nor, for that matter, even in modern history, have empires. The USSR was an empire. That empire included the whole of Ukraine. Or did it? The Ukrainian SSR was a separate and "independent" voting member of the United Nations from it's founding. Along with the Byelorussian SSR. And Czechoslovakia. Question that I suspect no one here can answer off the top of their head- I can't- How many nations currently exist that were part of post WWII Czechoslovakia? And what are their names? Are their borders secure?
And the thought above that an invading nation should be thrown back to previously existing borders. Under who's authority? And who has to sacrifice their own citizens to protect another country's border?
The Ukraine problem (war) is not unsolvable. There are multiple possible solutions. One is, the two nations slug it out and grind each other down until they mutually agree it's not worth it and agree to stalemate. Or keep going until one side wins what increasingly looks to be a pyrrhic victory. Russia's infrastructure is breaking down. And, they've fed a significant portion of their young men who should be marrying and having families into a meat grinder to their death. Their population is declining, and it's going to decline faster. For different reasons, China's population is doing the same.
Another question- is Russia still a Communist nation? They're definitely a totalitarian state, a are all Communist countries, especially right after the Communists take over. But are they still Communist, or a different kind of totalitarian state? What's transpiring there seems closer to the definition of fascism, but it isn't that either. Is there a name for their current governance?
“My kid is not a teenager yet. She has much better moral development than Inga.”
Time will tell. I wish for her the best, especially with you as her father. Hopefully she has an independent spirit and grows up to recognize the difference between rational thought and extremism.
Putin could end the war tomorrow, pull out his troops and go home to Mother Russia. Thousands of young lives saved, think of it. Europe has no designs on conquering Russia. Russia has nothing to fear from NATO unless Putin decides to invade another sovereign nation or continues to destroy its “brother” nation Ukraine. Putin seems to want his legacy to be the reunification of the USSR. Did anyone see the shirt that Lavrov was wearing yesterday as he was walking into the hotel? Longing for the good old days of Russian rule of Eastern Europe.
Keldonric said...
I’m honestly surprised by how little discussion there’s been on the larger geopolitical implications being shaped in real time — nuclear-proliferation signals, deterrence logic, China/Taiwan posture, credibility collapse, etc. For example, a quick Google search only turned up a few proliferation pieces from back in March–April.
At this point there is no good reason why Taiwan does not just "test" a nuke in the south china sea. Same for Philippines and Japan and South Korea.
Ukraine was stupid to trust the US and Russia. They should have kept their nukes. Now they are pawns being shredded in a proxy war.
Inga said...
“My kid is not a teenager yet. She has much better moral development than Inga.”
Time will tell. I wish for her the best, especially with you as her father. Hopefully she has an independent spirit and grows up to recognize the difference between rational thought and extremism
We had a discussion about the Russian Collusion hoax and the people who still believe it. About the government spying on people.
You supported a coup attempt. Your supported multiple attempts to murder Trump and put him in jail.
You are the definition of extreme.
@Gospace
There’s a lot of substantive ground here to chew on.
Good framing — the real issue isn’t “good guy vs bad guy,” but how deterrence and imperial logic operate once credibility erodes. Russia today isn’t communist so much as a declining authoritarian power trying to claw back buffer space.
I would characterize Russia's government as patrimonial authoritarianism wearing a nationalistic skin. Rule by an individual built on loyalty and patronage while using nationalistic rhetoric to rally support.
For now, I’ve been focusing on what this signals to other small, non-nuclear states: assurances are not security — you have to secure your own deterrent.
Time will tell. A lot of interesting dynamics emerge when you run even simple game-theory setups with the U.S., Russia, China, and Taiwan as players. I’ve been gaming out a few scenarios, and things get complex very quickly.
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