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Even as a composite? Might it not be fake, but accurate? Performative authenticity?


It's hard to think of other examples of a politician creating characters with actual names to spice up the rhetoric. I thought of John Edwards's little girl without a coat — "a 10-year-old little girl will go to bed hungry, hoping and praying that tomorrow will not be as cold as today because she doesn't have the coat to keep her warm" — but she didn't have a name. There was the name Julia, in Barack Obama's "Life of Julia," but she wasn't presented as a real person, just a cartoon everywoman.

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Mason G म्हणाले...

When you've lost John Oliver...

Iman म्हणाले...

I’m at fault. I saw the post pics and thought this is about the Three Stooges.

My bad.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Jesus that’s fuckin’ creepy…

Achilles म्हणाले...

This is so lazy. It is insane.

There has to be some couple that actually exists who would volunteer to be his example.

How stupid does Schumer think Democrat voters are? He knew this would be caught and he thinks they will continue to support them.

It is just absurd for every angle you look at it.

Barry Dauphin म्हणाले...

Sure, now John Oliver outs Chuck Schumer. At the exact same moment, every Democrat has their knives out for Chcuk. How long did he and other dams know about this?

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

There are the numerous similar tales by Joe Biden regarding real people but events that never happened, and that's not even counting the multiple plagiarisms and fabricated resume'.
I'm thinking there is a back room test where you have to lie to a certain level of dishonesty to become a Democrat nominee for office - a kind of initiation ceremony. Then you just run with it the rest of your career. People around you know you are lying and they play along to be included in the grift. What a country! What a party! What a system!

Mason G म्हणाले...

"How stupid does Schumer think Democrat voters are?"

I'm betting he knows.

n.n म्हणाले...

Plausible, but improbable.

Quaestor म्हणाले...

fake applies to John Oliver as much as to Schumer, but we knew that when 1600-scoring SAT taker Schumer tried to fake us over his patriotism by putting cheese slices on raw beef patties.

This may well be an elaborate setup to garner sympathy for Schumer. After a week or two of social media foldererole don't be surprised by the "Baileys" surfacing to confirm their existence and relationship to Schumer, though they may reveal a pseudonym has been in operation to protect "their privacy", or something along those lines.

Never trust a late-night leftist talker. Everything they say is tinged with mendacity.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"How stupid does Schumer think Democrat voters are?"
Knowing exactly how stupid they are has served him well, and few if any will change their mind. That's how stupid.

Just an old country lawyer म्हणाले...

Too bad the Long Island couple isn't real, and Chuckles is just a figment of their imagination that they have been pranking their friends with over the years.

Butkus51 म्हणाले...

Joe Biden

n.n म्हणाले...

The composite and cartoon ads are a fetus... feature of DEIst ideologies that emphatically perceive persons, people, and our Posterity in color and class blocs. It is a politically congruent construct, a virtual signal to garner virtue.

Eva Marie म्हणाले...

“The claim that Senator Chuck Schumer scored a perfect 1600 on his SATs in the mid-1960s is widely reported but lacks definitive primary sources.”
“Sources like isteve.blogspot.com and unz.com note that single-sitting 1600s were extremely rare in the 1960s, with possibly only single-digit or low double-digit students achieving this annually nationwide. These sources question the claim’s veracity.”
He was Valedictorian and worked for Stanley Kaplan’s test-prep business during high school which maybe makes the claim more believable.

Rocco म्हणाले...

Achilles said...
How stupid does Schumer think Democrat voters are? He knew this would be caught and he thinks they will continue to support them.

And he would be right. He could shoot someone and not loose any voters.

Aggie म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

“ Joe Biden”

Oh, yeah… Corn Pop!

Aggie म्हणाले...

He's been talking about the Baileys throughout the years, but when confronted for details, he can switch to a story about their neighbors, the Motts.

Ampersand म्हणाले...

Habitual lying emanates from a conviction that your listeners don't deserve the truth, and then reinforces that belief as the habitual liar sees his lies work over and over again. Let me hazard a guess about Schumer's fabulism. At about age 16, Schumer started to hear from adults that he was some kind of genius, and he began to agree. Surrounded by his inferiors, he embarked upon a life characterized by outmaneuvering and outsmarting those around him. These untermenschen had no real right to Chuck's loyalty, and in any case needed to hear the messages that would enable Chuck to achieve the highest possible good.
A similar psychology animated Bill Clinton.

Leland म्हणाले...

It wasn’t authentic?

Peachy म्हणाले...

He created his own talking point (using a made up couple) - which took the spotlight off of himself. Is this a big deal? Not really.

Of all the Dems lies - this one is pretty low on the scale.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Democratics will lie about anything.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Oliver is another lying liar who lies - so who is really lying?

Peachy म्हणाले...

Schumer made up a moderate couple.

That couple - by today's standards - is a radical rightwing Nazi racist!!!!!

Peachy म्हणाले...

I mean come on - the Bailey's do not like illegal immigration and flag burning. What Nazi freaks!

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

Was Mr Bailey’s first name “George” by any chance?

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

Joe Bailey is the guy who showed Chuck how to grill a cheese burger.

Mr. T. म्हणाले...

Corrupt leftist (pardon the redundancy) DA Mike Nifong was elected by trying to prosecute rapists that didn't exist...

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

According to my sources, Chuck hit on Joe's wife.

gilbar म्हणाले...

when you've lost your imaginary friends..
you've lost America

gilbar म्हणाले...

Some people say, that the Democrats are delusional..
Other people.. ARE delusional

Lawrence Person म्हणाले...

I think people already knew they were a fake construct back in 2007.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

They sound like fairly sensible people.

Jimmy म्हणाले...

I'm shocked I tell ya, to find that politicians lie. Wasn't chuckie one of Heidi fleiss regulars? did he talk to her about his imaginary friends too?
the current crop of dems is absolutely pathetic, lying stealing bastards, the whole lot. followed closely by the Republicans.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

If you actually existed as a Bailey, and you voted at least once for Donald Trump, and you knew Chuckie well enough to know what Chuckie has said about Donald Trump--would you talk to him? Or would you punch him in the face?

Balfegor म्हणाले...

Best non-example of this is Malarkey Biden's stories about a man named "Cornpop." It sounded like just another story he'd made up, but reporters were able to find an obituary for a man nicknamed Cornpop, making it possible that Biden was, astonishingly, telling a true story. Or at least something that had in fact happened to someone, given his famous habit of plagiarising from other peoples' biographies.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

The Cornpop incident was real. Or at least that's what MLK said.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

Would you believe it... three dudes with rusty razors? Three!
What about 1 dude with a sharp knife?
What about a six year old with a safety pin?

Joe Biden as Get Smart.

Left Bank of the Charles म्हणाले...

I think the point has been missed, which of course John Oliver did not highlight, Chuck Schumer did present the Baileys as fictional in his book about how the Democrats won the 2006 election.

Here’s The New Yorker from March 2007:

‘Schumer says that he is accompanied everywhere he goes by two imaginary middle-class friends, who advise him on all manner of middle-class concerns. Their names, until recently, were Joe and Eileen O’Reilly. “For the book’s sake, we wanted them to be more national,” Schumer said, “so they became the Baileys.”’

The political thinking of Eileen and Joe Bailey is not so very different from Althouse and Meade. They became Trump voters, if you follow Schumer’s narrative.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

Can you be an authentic liar and senile goof ball? Because Joe Biden was. No one, who paid attention, can say they were conned by Joe Biden. Or say he was fake.

He was an authentic teller of tall tales. Fake, but accurate.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

A man who can grill like Chuck Schumer can't be a fake.

loudogblog म्हणाले...

The talking point that crime is dowm is misleading. Crime is not down. Arrests and convictions are down because the Democrats have removed so many crimes from their laws, not arrested people when they do commit crimes and let so many people off the hook when they go to court.

reader म्हणाले...

Oh man. There was a woman (a Lena Dunham type) who wrote an autobiographical article/book (???). A man was included in a portion in an unflattering/illegal encounter, but she used an alias. At college? However, people were able to determine who she was referring to. It might have been proven to be false. OMG. I can’t remember the specifics. I didn’t read it but I’m pretty sure it was discussed on this blog. I’m going to go crazy until I pin it down :(

So a fake name for a real event that proved to be fake.

reader म्हणाले...

It was Lena Dunham and Barry. Supposedly Barry was a pseudonym that Dunham used, but there was a real Barry who did not like the implication he was a rapist. Thank goodness that was going to drive me crazy.

J Scott म्हणाले...

As a device for walking through policy it might make some sense, but the detailed bios seem a bit odd. A bit too clever I think. Is Joe Schumer the kind of guy Joe Bailey would have a beer with? Obviously a macrobeer.

Lazarus म्हणाले...

Brilliant for the first 5 1/2 minutes or so. Oliver would have more viewers if he went after the Democrats more often. The last minute though, where Oliver talks about the fictional Baileys' "pretty right-of-center views" was disappointing. They're right of center in British or NYC terms, but not so much by standards of the country as a whole. Schumer's party has the AOC and Mamdani types. If they want to win they have to win people like Schumer's imaginary friends.

Schumer, I'm told, got perfect SAT scores because he worked for Stanley Kaplan and took the exam over and over again until he got a perfect 1600.

Phil Gramm had a friend named "Dickie Flatt" he kept talking about. Either Flatt was imaginary or Gramm appropriated Flatt as a voice for whatever opinions he wanted to attribute to the common man. Probably Flatt was imaginary. Otherwise he might eventually have slugged Phil for putting words in his mouth.

Then there's Corey Booker and T-Bone. T-Bone was Corey's version of Cornpop, though there's no evidence that he ever existed. Some in the media speak of a "'non-hood-black-man syndrome': They don’t feel black enough when talking about their American experience, so they embellish portions of their upbringing—blacken them up, if you will." Ben Carson also "blackened-up" his background, though he didn't invent any imaginary friends or enemies or confidants.

Lazarus म्हणाले...

Then there's screenwriter Adam Schiff ...

Jamie म्हणाले...

The issue I see is not that Schumer created a moderate couple to run policies by. The issue is that the left doesn't do well at modeling the thought processes of anyone who's not on the left. Study after study: conservatives can model liberals and progressives much more accurately than the reverse. It's often said that this is because all the cultural information sources already are on the left, so we have lots more exposure, but I also think it's because our worldview nudges us to seek evidence instead of validation. We're not immune to confirmation bias by any means, but we do want to know whether a thing works or not rather than just whether it was well meant.

So he created these personae, possibly (giving him the benefit of the doubt) because he thought they would help him make better decisions. But because he is likely not to be able to put himself into the heads of any actual moderate person (and his public remarks would bear this out), no matter his high score on word associations and math problems, all this imaginary couple accomplishes for him is to validate what he wanted to do anyway.

Isn't this exactly the role of Julia? And, for that matter, Corn Pop? To validate the perceptions, choices, and decisions of Democrats?

And here's the problem with that: once you're operating in a world of your own device, it becomes easier and easier to convince yourself that that world is the real world. And when the actual real works doesn't comport with the world you've crafted, cognitive dissonance makes you go crazy.

And blame every ever-loving thing on a figure or condition of your choosing. As we have been seeing in the unhinged portions of the left, for almost ten years.

J Scott म्हणाले...

I wonder if "Julia" was a saboteur or maybe just a freudian slip. The love interest in the book, 1984, was a Julia after all.

Mary E. Glynn म्हणाले...

The political thinking of Eileen and Joe Bailey is not so very different from Althouse and Meade. They became Trump voters, if you follow Schumer’s narrative.
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No. Their original last name was "O'Reilly" before he changed it...

This was Shumer pretending he was friends with some Irish-Catholic-working-class-skilled-tradesman-ethnic-bluedog-Dems...

Not sure which way ann is swinging these days, but she's not from an intact, religious family, and even marrying a commoner does not make either of them "working class". They hate the ethnics "no hyphenated person is a true American!!" for knowing who their are, where they came from, their pre-American culture and roots...

I think it's a shame Chuck stole their stories for that long. We need their children -- the O-Reilly's before they became the "Baileys" and had a wonderful life -- representing America today, not old pretenders like Shumer and althouse jr, who learned on the lap of her daddy how to advance her career by being an adaptive chameleon...

Ann will die a Roman Catholic, I predict. She'll think it cool by then, and the most beneficial social religion like her daddy taught her...

wendybar म्हणाले...

Just like in Obama's autobiography....all of his relationship-s with women were composites.
Obama's whole life was a composite. We still don't know who the hell he really is.

Nancy म्हणाले...

The Baileys were Schumer's Grok.

Money Manger म्हणाले...

I knew the Bailey's when I was young. They grew up in Bedford Falls, NY, about 50 miles north of the city. His parents, George and Mary had a wonderful life. They passed away in the late 70's.

Wilbur म्हणाले...

I had a close friend where I worked - a gay Cuban man - who would be driven beserk by the Clintons and the Democrats back in the 90's. I finally just told him "Look, they lie about everything. Everything ... with a capital E, and the media refuses to call them out. Once you wrap your head around that fact, then the world becomes easier to understand, if no less maddening."

He died suddenly 20 years ago. He truly existed.

Olson Johnson is right! म्हणाले...

I had always thought the Cornpop story had a truth behind it. Nasty always horny Joe Biden gets a college job as a pool lifeguard in a black area. He quickly hunts out the cuties and plays some 'rub my leg-hair' games. Cornpop hears of the pervy white guy and threatens him with violence to lay off or else.

Biden in his delusion and his fableism twists the story to make himself into a hero.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

I love this story. Are y'all feeling that culture shift yet? It's okay to make fun of the elite democrats again. Chuck is the top of the rank currently. This is odd for a partisan talking head like Oliver to direct fire at any left of center target.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

And nobody except an unfunny English fop ever noticed? This is an indictment of the entire staff of the New York Times and I suspect Althouse is well aware of what this means for one of her go to sources. For any others here that excitedly tabulated "Trump lies" how do you even rank Schumer's long con?

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Newt Gingrich used to be followed around everywhere by this minature elderly futurist couple dressed in bizarre identical tan jumpsuits and muttering to each other. Alvin and Heidi Toffler were, at least, real. Our standards seem to have fallen.

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Loudogblog is entirely correct about crime statistics. For one small example, store employees are not permitted to stop shoplifters anymore.

Lee Moore म्हणाले...

They may be imaginary, but I bet they vote all the same.

Bob B म्हणाले...

Joe Biden made up many people using names. The primary fake person Biden referenced by name is “Joe Biden.” He has been shown to have made up an alternative universe Joe Biden. Biden’s references to this fake Biden’s experiences, for example, got him thrown out of the 1988 presidential race.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Chuck obviously thinks that the Baileys, real or imaginary, are the kinds of voters the Dems need to target. Strategy meetings with the lunatics like Lizzie Warren, Spartacus Booker, Schiff and Padilla, let alone the House Democrats, must drive him nuts. But he toes the lefty line in his public positions, so he deserves it.

Vonnegan म्हणाले...

The funniest part is the end, when Oliver decides that if Schumer and the Dems would listen to real leftists instead of imaginary moderates they'd be more popular. Yes please, encourage the Dems to move farther left.

I assume the newly granted permission to hate Schumer on the left is because they want AOC to run for his seat.

Aggie म्हणाले...

Well as some have pointed out, it sounds like Schumer has disclosed before that the 'Baileys' are a made-up product of his politicking. So while he's a phoney in almost all things, it does sound as if, at least in this case, he hasn't tried to pull a fast one by passing them off as more than just a useful foil for policy examples.

He probably should have stayed on safer ground and picked a nice Jewish couple with a rent-controlled apartment.

Aggie म्हणाले...

It is pretty interesting that Oliver has singled Schumer out for a little unfair parody at Schumer's expense though. I wonder how it feels, to understand that your party is entering into the 'Eat Their Own' phase, and: 'tag ! - you're 'it' ! Oh, the unpopularity ! Oh, the humanity !

Hugh म्हणाले...

John Oliver would never have gone after Chuck before, but since he’s now got competition from the left (AOC) in his next election, he’s expendable if not a flat out target.

RMc म्हणाले...

Can Oliver attack a fellow Dem on the air? Won't he get fired?

D.D. Driver म्हणाले...

I can safely say (without the threat of a libel suit): Joe Bailey beats his wife!

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Schumer is a Jewish Senator in the Democratic Party- I think AOC would beat him in the primary if she runs but I think her plans are to run for President instead.

William म्हणाले...

On the plus side, Schumer can fantasize about sane, normal people. He himself can occasionally pretend to be sane and normal although he hasn't quite mastered all the details--like when he tried grilling a hamburger......By way of contrast, look at AOC. She seems authentic, and her real friend is Mamdani. There's nothing pretend about their friendship. They really hit it off. If she becomes our Senator, she and Mamdani will work together and the future of New York will be assured.

mikee म्हणाले...

I, for one, think that if Nixon & Carter hadn't had a real Agnew & a real Mondale around to be their VPs, they would have created same from any pile of garbage nearby. And speaking of nonentities, don't forget the ever-forgetable AlGore and John "Swift Boat" Kerry, who if they were real sure seemed like bad figments of our imaginations.

Sternhammer म्हणाले...

Corey Booker had an imaginary friend named "T-Bone" he told stories about. T-Bone was discovered to never exist.

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