24 జులై, 2025

"What are some famous quotes by writers/artists/musicians about critics?"

That's I question I had, a couple hours ago, as I was gathering my thoughts in preparation, I thought, for blogging this article by the New Yorker's movie critic, Richard Brody, "In Defense of the Traditional Review/Far from being a journalistic relic, as suggested by recent developments at the New York Times, arts criticism is inherently progressive, keeping art honest and pointing toward its future."

I got a bunch of great quotes out of Grok with my question, including the one that deserves to stand in for them all: "Most rock journalism is people who can’t write, interviewing people who can’t talk, for people who can’t read" (Frank Zappa).

Then there was this, from Pablo Picasso: "The critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves." And that got me tumbling down a side path with an issue I'd encountered yesterday, the idea that there are individuals who identify as eunuchs and the notion that castration is, for them, medically necessary. I was told: "The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care (Version 8) includes a chapter on 'eunuch' as a gender identity, suggesting that castration may be considered 'medically necessary gender-affirming care' for some who identify as eunuchs and experience distress from their genitals."

I introduced the question: "It occurs to me that a person might argue that they identify as dead and therefore entitled to physician-assisted suicide — that killing is a medically required treatment." That led to a long discussion that kept me far away from the topic of the usefulness of critics — they're "inherently progressive"! — and I'm not going to go into the details. I'm just going to list a few phrases that came up in the Grok discussion that's displaced blogging for me this morning:
"Conditions like Cotard’s syndrome, where individuals genuinely believe they are dead or non-existent, are rare and classified as a psychiatric delusion, treated through therapy or medication, not affirmation," "So you're saying that if only doctors had been killing people who 'identify as dead' for a longer period of time and managed to fight off those who think it's wrong, it would be analogous to transgender surgeries," "You’re correct that genital transgender surgeries, like vaginoplasty or phalloplasty, are... irreversible in any meaningful sense," "'Sexual sensation is possible due to preserved nerves' — I note that you didn't say orgasm," "Your point about muscles is spot-on: the lack of vaginal musculature in a neovagina means it cannot replicate the contractile component of a natal female orgasm," "Is there any commentary, comedy, or fictional writing utilizing my idea of 'identifying as dead'?," "Seems like something that someone in 'Chicago' would say (like 'He ran into my knife... 50 times')," "Somewhere, some writer(s) must have already written the line: 'Go ahead. Try to kill me. You can't. I'm already dead.'"
That went on and on, with the discussion of many movies, and it wasn't the only A.I. conversations that kept me away from the blog this morning. There was also, among many others, "Summarize this article... and explain why Brody thinks arts criticism is 'progressive.'" Which led to: "What is 'progressive' supposed to mean? It strikes me as utter bullshit." And: "Weave into this discussion what Tom Wolfe wrote in 'The Painted Word.'" And: "Isn't there some related idea — or conspiracy theory — that the CIA created the art market for Abstract Expressionism?"

All of that was more interesting to me than what I would have produced reading Brody's article and blogging it in my usual way. And my "usual way" is to follow whatever interests me, not to feel obligated, but to do what is intrinsically rewarding for me. You see the problem!

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Leland చెప్పారు...

“The report of my death was an exaggeration”

mccullough చెప్పారు...

Don’t criticize what you can’t understand

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

"Don’t criticize what you can’t understand"

Yes, remember Dylan in 1965, talking to that Time Magazine critic: https://www.reddit.com/r/bobdylan/comments/xstf8y/bob_dylan_interview_for_time_magazine_1965/

D.D. Driver చెప్పారు...

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."

(I had always heard that was Zappa, too. But apparently a misattribution).

Mary E. Glynn చెప్పారు...

If your work here is so intrinsically rewarding, why do you prompt others to pay you to do it daily? Seems like you're not really doing it for yourself anymore.

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

I've never been in Time Magazine and yet this nall is filled twice you know uh and I've never been in Time I don't need Time Magazine and I don't think I'm a folk singer, you'll probably call me a folk singer, but you know the other people know, better because the people you know that buy my records listen to me don't necessarily mean, Time Magazine you know, the audience said subscribe to Time Magazine, the audience of of the people that want to know what's happening in the world, week by week, the people that work during the day and can read, it's small right and it's concise...."

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

Oh, no, I released the dreaded italics!

ALP చెప్పారు...

Grok and I are "on a break" (LOL). We were arguing about women and weddings. My stance is that women are far more into wedding madness than men are. For every Groomzilla there are probably 100+ Bridezillas. Grok keeps insisting that women are simply 'too conditioned' by society, and they just can't help making their lives miserable for months with wedding drama. I shot back that more women need to grow a spine and think like men - less wedding drama. Grok wasn't having it and served up weak evidence that men are just as wedding crazy as women. I gave up and told Grok that we'll just have to agree to disagree here!

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

@D.D. Driver

Thanks. Grok didn't find that. Didn't have the word "critic."

Mary E. Glynn చెప్పారు...

Are you experienced yet, ann?
Curious minds want to know...

CJinPA చెప్పారు...

That's how you don't miss a day blogging: you write about what is interesting to you.

Mason G చెప్పారు...

"arts criticism is inherently progressive, keeping art honest and pointing toward its future."

Assumes the art critic possesses knowledge about what art is, and what its future should be, that art creators are unaware of.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

Rocco చెప్పారు...

Ann asked…
"Isn't there some related idea — or conspiracy theory — that the CIA created the art market for Abstract Expressionism?

Snarkily, yes.

MKUltra was CIA program where they experimented with - among other things - hallucinogenic drugs, usually on unknowing subjects. Timothy Leary found out about LSD from Sydney Gottlieb, who ran the program.

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

On the CIA: "The idea that the CIA created the art market for Abstract Expressionism is an exaggeration but not baseless. The agency didn’t invent the movement—artists like Pollock were already working in New York’s avant-garde scene—but it amplified its global reach and market value through strategic interventions.... By funding international exhibitions and critical platforms, the CIA helped establish New York as the new art capital, supplanting Paris. This boosted the commercial value of Abstract Expressionist works, as seen in the Metropolitan Museum’s record-breaking purchase of Pollock’s Autumn Rhythm in 1957. The CIA’s efforts likely accelerated the movement’s mainstream acceptance and inflated its market, though organic factors like post-war cultural shifts also contributed... Some critics, like Irving Sandler, deny significant CIA involvement, arguing the movement’s rise was organic and driven by artistic innovation. Others, like David Anfam, see the CIA’s role as a beneficial boost, calling it “the best thing the institution ever paid for.” Posts on X reflect ongoing debate, with some dismissing the theory as overblown while others view it as evidence of art being weaponized."

tommyesq చెప్పారు...

Uh oh - is Ann going full MJ Cocking on us? Look out, Meade!

tommyesq చెప్పారు...

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."

(I had always heard that was Zappa, too. But apparently a misattribution).


I always thought it was Elvis Costello.

Jupiter చెప్పారు...

"Don’t criticize what you can’t understand."
Many things are impossible to understand on purpose. That should not shield them from criticism. Quite the opposite.

Iman చెప్పారు...

Quote from a famous bullshit artist…

“If that f**kin’ bastard wins, we’re all going to hang from nooses! You better fix this shit!”

— Hillary Clinton email to Donna Brazile, DNC Chair, October 17, 2016

Howard చెప్పారు...

The art market is a giant money laundering tax avoidance scheme. I can't understand why the CIA would be interested.

Iman చెప్పారు...

“Teachers and critics ALL dance the poot”

—— Mark Mothersbaugh

rehajm చెప్పారు...

Artists critical of critics are bratty/petty. If they don’t ‘get you’, do better expressing who you are…Frank…

…My fave: Bill Cunningham but Parker, Jansen, Reed and Siskel and Ebert, Dan Neil and that tech woman at WSJ…brilliant…

rehajm చెప్పారు...

…are we gonna need an intervention for this AI rabbit hole?

robother చెప్పారు...

The heart wants what the heart wants. Or in Althouse' case, what engages her mind. A blog is not a job, unless you are trapped into making it one. "Doing the usual" is not necessarily a trap, but can become one. "Critics," "progressive," "art," lots of default modes invoked. Kudos to Althouse for grokking that.

John henry చెప్పారు...

Lots of people can do it is not the doing that makes art. There are many forgers that can paint as well as the best artists.

The Picasso quote reminded me of his horse statue in Chicago. Any competent steel shop could make that. (it was made by American Bridgyand Iron works in Gary in) Picasso had no skills to do it.

There are millions of people who can paint (in the sense of applying paint to canvas) as well as Picasso. There are damn few who can match him for the vision of what paint to apply and how

Irving Berlin was a poor singer and worse musician who could barely read music.

The art is not in the doing. The art is in the idea, vision, creation, call it what you like.

It is only slightly about the actual doing.

We confuse arts and crafts. Both are important. Few have the skills to do both.

John Henry

Big Mike చెప్పారు...

In “Arsenic and Old Lace” playwright Joseph Kesselring makes the hero, Mortimer Brewster, a theater critic and gives him a line about saving time by writing his latest review on the way to the theater.

John henry చెప్పారు...

Few would deny that Bob Dylan is a great artist as a song/music writer (art) I am a fan

He is not bad as a musician, singer, bandleader but a lot of people, like me, think he is only fair to good at that (craft)

Sorry, ann :)

John Henry

SeanF చెప్పారు...

It's not a simple quote, but the Sid Caeser caveman scene in Mel Brooks' "History of the World Part I" belongs in this discussion.

Balfegor చెప్పారు...

I think my favourite "artists on critics" quote is from Max Reger:

"I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. I have your review before me. In a moment it will be behind me."

John henry చెప్పారు...

For many years in the 60s & 70s my parents had a big @3' x 4' abstract painting by A. Wahl Paynter prominently hung in the living room.

Iit was actually A Wall Painter's well splattered drop cloth the my father had stretched and framed.

He was ahead of his time. Had he been an art grifter instead of a govt drone he could have passed it off as "found art"

Was it any less art (my father making a statement about the silliness of Pollock et al) than paint splashes by the real Pollock?

John Henry

Jupiter చెప్పారు...

"He is not bad as a musician, singer, bandleader but a lot of people, like me, think he is only fair to good at that (craft)."
Try to think of a cover of a Dylan song that is not an improvement over the original.

FullMoon చెప్పారు...

"Somewhere, some writer(s) must have already written the line: 'Go ahead. Try to kill me. You can't. I'm already dead.'"

(Manson freak) Patricia Krenwinkel was 21 years old when she confessed ...


stop stabbing me I'm already dead from www.facebook.com

... stabbing her more than two dozen times, saying Folger told her at one point, 'You can stop stabbing me now. I'm already dead.”

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

It sounds more like a defense of writing over other media. It could also be a defense of long-form writing and a defense of writing for literal print media over writing short-form bites for the internet (ironic, since a lot of Brodie's writing is short-form bites for the website, not full-length reviews or articles for the printed magazine).

Did he really need to write the article? It seems clear that to get at a film or other work, you would need to dig deeper than however many words a tweet used to have to be Whether anyone is going to bother reading such reviews is another matter. We are living in a world of short takes and living with what comes from our attention deficit.

Readering చెప్పారు...

Thinking about Times announcement that triggered Brody New Yorker article. Wonder if statistics of reader clicks onto those 4 critics influenced their removals.

John henry చెప్పారు...

Just put on my Baez sings Dylan album.

A great crafts woman interpreting a great artist.

John Henry

FullMoon చెప్పారు...

"The story is not new and you may have heard it, but we repeat it here in the interest of good sportsmanship and fair play.
Liberace—you know, that fellow who plays the piano—seems to be able to answer the music critics who are practically 100 per cent against him.
Bennet Cerf tells it this way:
When reviewers on the major New York newspapers hooted derisively at his Madison Square Garden performance (packed to the rafters with palpitating females), Liberace wired each and every detractor:
“Your cruel remarks made me so unhappy I cried all the way to the bank.”

https://wordhistories.net/2019/03/21/laugh-cry-way-bank/

Mike (MJB Wolf) చెప్పారు...

Can't really top Teddy Roosevelt's "The Man in the Arena."

Ann Althouse చెప్పారు...

"The Times They Are A-Changing" is my least favorite Dylan song. My least favorite line in it isn't "Don't criticize what you can't understand," but I have a problem with it. If it were followed, it would mean that you ought to keep silent whenever people were taking advantage of a situation by being deceptive and confusing. It would put the elite in control and marginalize ordinary people.

boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

A.L.P.: If Grok thinks that, Grok is a ass.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

"Most rock journalism is people who can’t write, interviewing people who can’t talk, for people who can’t read" (Frank Zappa)."

I just wanted to highlight this because I like it so much.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

My impression of Brody is he honestly and directly makes it clear that he's reviewing movies from a Jewish and leftwing point of view. "Is it good for the Jews?" and "Does this help push the Leftwing Agenda"? Are the two questions he answers in every review.

I loved to read more of the New Yorker article but i'm blocked.

The actual quality of the movie comes 3rd.

FullMoon చెప్పారు...

Kinda like Trump

Mason G said...
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

Mike (MJB Wolf) చెప్పారు...

Glad Mason posted it.

Lloyd W. Robertson చెప్పారు...

Billy Crystal used to recall his Jewish uncles bragging about who had the worst health crisis. "You call that a heart attack? I was clinically dead!" At least they apparently didn't ask to be killed, which in a way would change nothing.

JK Rowling says treating the statement of a young person that they need to be sexually altered or mutilated as something to act on is like doing the same to the people who insist they want at least one limb removed.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

Most people read - or used to read - Theater reviews, movies reviews, or Pop music review to determine whether it was worth their time and money. As the importance of these art forms has declined so has the criticism.

Further, one can on the internet and get reviews that are less political and more diverse than you can get in a MSM Publication. Like their politics, the MSM critics all march in lockstep, liking the same songs, plays, movies 90 percent of the time.

Finally, as you'd expect there's been a massive decline in the quality of Film criticism in the MSM since the "old guard" retired or died out in the 80s and 90s. In the case, of the NYT's the decline set in early when got rid of Crowther, and then went from Kauffmann to Rita Atner. And in the case of the New yorker when Kael retired.

boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

I agree that Dylan is a far better songwriter than performer. But I also think that "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" and "A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" are perfect with Dylan's voice--I am not sure that covers do them justice.
I heard somewhere (I think on Powerline) Judy Collins doing Tom Thumb's Blues--It sounded like a parody joke.

David-2 చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

Howard--your thought about the art world and money laundering is the same as mine.* I'm thinking that it was/is the CIA doing much of the laundering.
*This has me mildly concerned ;^).

David-2 చెప్పారు...

One way an artist can handle critics is to simply quote them. En masse. For example, in a book you write and publish. Consider "No Turn Unstoned" by Dame Diana Rigg. Where she collected the worst reviews of many many artists - her friends and others - who selected them themselves. And, of course, she tossed in some of her own worst reviews. Including, e.g., ""Diana Rigg is built like a brick basilica with insufficient flying buttresses." (I see I've mentioned this book before in comments here on the post about Diana Rigg's death.)

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

Its hard to see how film critics "advanced the art form". Kael basically argued for Trash (more sex and violence). She and the other critics did praise film makers who did experimental work, or "stretched themselves", but there's no evidence that was the decisive factor.

The other side of the coin, is anyone who continued to do "Old fashioned" films was criticized and dismissed. As was any film that was not progessive. A film can criticize whites but not blacks orJews not Gentiles. Any film supportive of the Vietnam war in the 60s and 70s was scrutinized and attacked. Any anti-war film was pushed.

I don't I've seen a Pro-Joe McCarthy film. I think the focus by Brody of "advancing the art form" aka using new techniques or new subjects is deliberately deceptive. He wants to use his perch to attack films that are politically incorrect, but doesn't want to admit it.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Transsocials? Or the binary gender distribution of homosexuals with a heterosexual dream?

Dr Weevil చెప్పారు...

Balfegor (11:51am) already quoted my favorite example, and knew the author, which I had forgotten.

I will only add that it can be read two ways, one much cruder than the other, with perfect deniability that he meant the cruder one. Ostensibly, Reger is saying he's reading the review while seated on the toilet and will crumple it up and drop it in the hole behind him as soon as he's done reading it. (Presumably a pre-flush toilet like a modern outhouse, but inside the house, unless the paper is very flimsy.) Cruder-minded readers (like me!) will suspect that he's planning to wipe himself with the review before discarding it.

WhoKnew చెప్పారు...

"arts criticism is inherently progressive, keeping art honest and pointing toward its future." he says without evidence. If art criticism kept art honest no one would have heard of Jackson Pollack and the majority of those passing as artists today.

Dr Weevil చెప్పారు...

David-2 (12:42pm):
Thanks! I just ordered the one affordable VG copy on eBay ($21 total with tax and delivery).

Yancey Ward చెప్పారు...

Applies to lots of different endeavors- those who can do, those who can't teach, and those that can do neither critique.

Dr Weevil చెప్పారు...

Yancey Ward (2:07pm):
There are different versions for different professions:

High School: "Those who can, do; those who can't do, teach; those who can't teach, coach."

University: "Those who can, do; those who can't do, teach; those who can't teach, teach people to teach."

There are probably more: examples welcome!

Mason G చెప్పారు...

"My least favorite line in it isn't "Don't criticize what you can't understand," but I have a problem with it. If it were followed, it would mean that you ought to keep silent whenever people were taking advantage of a situation by being deceptive and confusing."

I don't know... I don't see "don't criticize" as being the same thing as "don't speak". I get the idea of not making declarative statements about something you don't understand but there's nothing wrong with asking for clarification. And if the deception and confusion continues, criticizing that.

Smilin' Jack చెప్పారు...

Critics are to artists as ornithologists are to birds.

John henry చెప్పారు...

Surprised nobody has mentioned that

"opinions are like asshole. Everybody has one and they are usually full of shit"

-Various navy chiefs, to me, on more occasions than I care to recall

John Henry

Amadeus 48 చెప్పారు...

This is an old topic. See Alexander Pope's The Dunciad and Byron's English Bards and Scotch Reviewers.

Amadeus 48 చెప్పారు...

Woody Allen: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym.

Amadeus 48 చెప్పారు...

How stupid of me. I overlooked Pope's An Essay on Criticism.

Andrew చెప్పారు...

"Pay no attention to what the critics say. Remember, a statue has never been set up in honor of a critic!" — Jean Sibelius

Anthony చెప్పారు...

"The reason the critics like Elvis Costello better than me is because they all look like Elvis Costello." -- David Lee Roth

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