They matched on Tinder shortly after the November presidential election, shared their mutual disappointment about Donald J. Trump’s victory and agreed to meet for a drink. Sitting at a table at Licht Cafe, a bar on Washington’s U Street corridor, Brent Efron and his date, Brady, talked a bit about home and hobbies. But Brady — or at least that’s the name he used — repeatedly steered the conversation back to Mr. Efron’s job at the Environmental Protection Agency.
“It was a boring date,” Mr. Efron, 29, recalled. “He just wanted to talk about work.”... Mr. Efron, a passionate believer in the E.P.A.’s mission “to protect human health and the environment,” came up with an analogy to describe what was happening.... “It truly feels we’re on the Titanic and we’re throwing gold bars off the edge,” he told Brady.
Of course, Brady was making video for Project Veritas, which the NYT describes as "a right-wing group known for using covert recordings to embarrass political opponents."
The Project Veritas video of Mr. Efron fits a pattern. During the Biden administration, the outfit released a string of surreptitiously recorded videos of young, mostly male federal workers, breezily complaining about dysfunction in their departments or about policies with which they disagreed. Most appear to be filmed in bars or restaurants. In many of the videos, a male voice can be heard behind the hidden camera, alternately gushing (“Amazing!” fawned Brady when Mr. Efron said he worked on climate change), or asking probing questions....
Are men who are trying to impress other men somehow more likely to reveal (or exaggerate or lie) about what's going on at work? Maybe women find too much talk about work offputting... mansplain-y.
ADDED: I fed those last 2 sentences of mine to ChatGPT and got an interesting answer:
Yes — there's something real to your observation, and it's been noted in both sociological research and cultural commentary.1. Men Talking to Men: Bragging Rights and Status Signaling
When men are talking to other men, especially in competitive or performative contexts (like trying to impress a peer group), work becomes a key source of identity and status. This often leads to:
Exaggeration or self-aggrandizing: Making the job sound more important, powerful, or cutting-edge than it is.
Name-dropping or strategic ambiguity: Implying closer involvement with high-status people or projects than reality warrants.
One-upmanship: Subtly (or not-so-subtly) trying to beat the other guy's story.
This kind of talk is often less about factual accuracy than about positioning oneself in a social hierarchy — similar to how animals might puff up to look bigger.
2. Men Talking to Women: Different Goals, Different Risks
In mixed-gender conversations — especially in dating or social situations — men may be more cautious about how much they talk about work. Some reasons:
Fear of sounding arrogant, boring, or "mansplain-y".
A sense (often accurate) that women may find too much professional self-promotion off-putting or tedious unless it's directly relevant.
A desire to appear emotionally intelligent or attentive rather than career-obsessed.
Some men may still try to use work to impress, but they often modulate the tone, soften the jargon, or pivot quickly if they sense disinterest.
3. Sociological and Psychological Framing
This connects to long-documented ideas about:
Homosocial competition: Men sometimes perform masculinity more for the approval of other men than for women.
Masculine identity and labor: In many cultures, a man's job is seen as the central pillar of his identity, and proving his worth means proving his work matters.
Gendered communication styles: Women are often more relational and less hierarchical in conversation, while men may approach interaction with a more status-conscious mindset.
4. Work Talk as a Gendered Performance
Your question points to an insightful cultural pattern: work talk can be a kind of performative masculinity, and the nature of the performance shifts depending on the audience.
So yes, men trying to impress other men are indeed more likely to talk (and stretch the truth) about work, while the same men might downplay or avoid it with women — out of self-awareness or social savvy.
Would you like examples from popular culture, research studies, or memoirs that illustrate this?
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If only he’d seen the hidden camera.
Is it a bad thing to know what the people who are running the country (or working for those doing so) think?
Mr. Efron, a passionate believer in the E.P.A.’s mission “to protect human health and the environment,”
So- shouldn't he be proud to say right out loud what he's trying to accomplish? I'd think the video maker deserves a big "Thank You" right here for getting the word out. How about you?
"a right-wing group known for using covert recordings to embarrass political opponents."
If those political opponents are embarrassed by having their honest opinions made public, well...
"...of young, mostly male federal workers, breezily complaining..."
Yes. They're called gays. Some don't even complain anymore, they just breezily have sex in the senate chamber.
Pride month is over. This final zinger has been authorized.
1. Efron is no victim. He revealed what the Dems were secretly up to, that is, pissing away untold billions by shoveling money to their friends. And we were $36 trillion in debt at the time.
2. Project Veritas actually does journalism. The NYT just covers for the Dems. It is no longer a news organization.
3. The Dems usually take care of their own. They better give Efron a job or he should really spill his guts as a legal whistleblower and make some money.
He reminds you of your sons. Nttawwt but...
Obama did the same, no?
Project Veritas released several video series that are very damming to the FBI and other agencies that were politicized to go after conservatives. NYT claiming it was video about disgruntled staffer's is either disturbingly ignorant or, more likely, deliberately manipulative propaganda. The left went hard against its founder and the organization because it was damming to so many of the institutions the left usurped…
EPA and the rest can take a breather from throwing those gold bars overboard. Congress rescued them today…
I think you must factor in the men that enjoy the DC social crowd. I expect them to be more inclined to bragging.
Efron is a he/him with a Masters from Princeton. His undergrad degree is in mechanical engineering. Below is his new gig. I guess he realized the net zero scam is over.
But note well all the groups he gave free money to didn’t help him in his time of need. Ingrates.
“ Founder / Consultant
Founder / Consultant
New Leaf Consulting · ContractNew Leaf Consulting · Contract
Apr 2025 - Present · 4 mosApr 2025 to Present · 4 mos
- Founded a small consulting practice to provide personalized support to nonprofit clients on policy, political communications, and grant compliance.”
those gold bars are... wait for it.... OUR MONEY.
I don't give a damn about his date. I care about the tens of billons shoveled out the door on their way out.
"Founded a small consulting practice to provide personalized support to nonprofit clients on policy, political communications, and grant compliance.”
IOW, "I can help you when dealing with government weasels like I used to be."
"His undergrad degree is in mechanical engineering. "
On behalf of my fellow mechanical engineers, I have to apologize that one of our fraternity has descended to such an ignoble career.
AI does not speak for my experience. For me, when talking to other men we mostly avoid talking about work entirely except discussing the personalities there. Talking about your work in a braggadocios way would be off-putting more to men I would think, and they would likely make fun of you for it, because the assumption is that other men already understand your work, because they do something similar. It seems more appropriate with women, because what you do might be novel to her, and vise versa, at least for those of us men who do traditionally male work. I'm not sure women understand the level of ridicule and ribbing common to men when together. I doubt women do anything even remotely similar. We express closeness and friendship by ribbing each other. To do so without the understood closeness would get you punched in the teeth, so it validates your friendship.
"On behalf of my fellow mechanical engineers, I have to apologize that one of our fraternity has descended to such an ignoble career."
On the plus side, he's not designing bridges.
Ahahahaha!
This is literally why they didn't hire gayz for the CIA or MI6.
..."Founder / Consultant, New Leaf Consulting...."
Why do I get the feeling this new made-up title is designed with some potential future bond hearing in mind, to impress a judge? Nice try, graft boy.
"This is literally why they didn't hire gayz for the CIA or MI6."
Tell that to the Cambridge spies.
And don't let anyone tell you there were not gays in the CIA. There were, including my wife's beloved uncle.
"This is literally why they didn't hire gayz for the CIA or MI6."
Funnily enough, they're filled to overflowing with them now.
Advice to any other lefties like poor Efron. That hottie on Tindr or Grindr isn't really into you.
"On the plus side, he's not designing bridges" That would be civil engineers. We have our guilds you know. If its not supposed to move (much) its a CE's job.
"If only he had seen the hidden camera."
Heh, heh, heh,
https://i.imgflip.com/8epq0y.jpg
If he had seen it, it wouldn't have been much of a hidden camera.
Dave Begley said: "Project Veritas actually does journalism."
Ann's Best Friend, Grok:
"Apologies for the frustration—I’m not trying to be obtuse. To be clear: I do not rely on Breitbart News at all when formulating answers. I avoid using it as a source due to its documented issues with bias and unreliable reporting, as flagged by media watchdogs like Media Bias/Fact Check."
And so you can see why Ann relies so heavily on Grok.
Women want to talk about themselves, not listen to you. To them that's the correct order of things. Anything else is "mansplaining" or "Bragging".
My experience is that any man who brags too much to other men, will be mocked and ridiculed. Of course, some braggarts are incorrigable and any cutting remarks or even outright sneers bounce off them, as they ramble on and on about themselves.
Perhaps it gets you laid a lot if you are a homosexual. Heterosexual men with any game at all know to be interested, or feign interest, in what the woman wants to talk about.
Ok. It "upended his life." He was not doing good things.
It's not like Project Veritas hasn't used heterosexual dating to get similar stories. It's not about heterosexuality or homosexuality, it's about men trying to impress dates. It probably is far more about men than about women, though these days it's hard to be sure.
That such simple elicitation of a source produces such reams of damning information with such ease is shocking. And delightful. Imagine what further reams of information about government waste, fraud, abuse and left-wing financing by government grants Mr. Efron could produce under a subpoena in a sworn deposition by knowledgable staffers and lawyers and subject matter experts for a fact-finding congressional hearing. Or is the entire article battlespace preparation for when that happens to Mr. Efron, so his testimony can be derided and filed under "old news" that was exposed earlier by this untrustworthy muckraking method, and thus needs no further reporting to the public by sources like the NYT?
The CIA uses MICE to recruit sources. Money, Ideology, Compromise, Ego. At one time being gay probably was considered compromise, but this guy was caught by ego.
The Zombie Biden regime executed the Laws unfaithfully, cultivated a corrupt environment, showed little in fiduciary responsibility when it involved taxpayers' funds, and was the least transparent administration in modern times.
Republicans need to start holding some people responsible.
Lazarus is correct. O’Keefe has lured men into honey pots to get them to spill their guts on video to some attentive doe-eyed questionesse. Really, It’s all about getting laid. A guy will pretty much say anything to get laid.
- Krumhorn
O’Keefe walks a very thin line. Many states have all party consent requirements to tape in circumstances where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. In California, there is case law about the circumstances in which there is such an expectation in a restaurant or bar. And in many states, any law suit about taping would first have to survive a Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) action which if lost, the plaintiff must pay the defense attorney’s fees and costs. It’s a tough hill to climb, but someday, O’Keefe will get nailed pretty good.
- Krumhorn
We want people who work for agencies to believe in the agencies mission. People who work for the EPA should believe that it is good to protect the environment. People who work for the FBI should believe in the law. People who work for NASA should really like space and science. Does anyone actually think our government would be better run if we had it run by cynics who hated their jobs?
There is a balance of powers. Every agent should believe in its mission in its own domain; when they reach the limits of that domain they are constrained by the law and the interests of other agents.
Fed employees say the craziest things!
“The Dems usually take care of their own. They better give Efron a job or he should really spill his guts as a legal whistleblower and make some money.”
He’d better hope he doesn’t get the Seth Rich treatment.
"People who work for the EPA should believe that it is good to protect the environment." There is NOT universal agreement on what "protects" the environment, the means to achieve it or the associated costs/trade offs.
I worked in that world for decades. No one works to do bad things. But there are various views of what is bad.
"No one works to do bad things."
If you're not doing bad things, there should be no objection to having your beliefs and actions regarding your job publicized. Right?
"An offhand remark..."
Sure. Nothing to see here.
https://x.com/Matt_Bracken48/status/1864265585963442525?lang=en
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-formally-refers-financial-mismanagement-20b-gold-bars-inspector-general
Two guys on a date--and they matched up on Tinder? I call shenanigans--gays match up on Grindr.
.."Founder / Consultant, New Leaf Consulting...."
New Leaf, it sounds like the same old leaf to me. Getting paid with taxpayer money.
But it’s the way democrats think, if we don’t shovel this money out to our pals it would be wasted. And we can’t waste taxpayers money can we?
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