I do not like the overheated metaphor, especially the evocation of assassination.
And the use of "begins" before "plunge to the ocean floor" shows how silly it is. What is the beginning of "a plunge to the ocean floor"? Breaking the surface? It calls to mind a tumble from a paddleboard. How far down is "the ocean floor"? 8 feet?
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I do not like the overheated metaphor, especially the evocation of assassination
It would be constructive to have a single set of standards for everyone to apply to this type of rhetoric, then hold everyone to those standards equally to all offenders. As it stands the selective application of judgement only serves to enflame political division. I propose a week at Bretton Woods or Jackson Hole for debate and resolution…
I like Taibbi, even if he is often very rough on Trump (“Insane Clown President”). This Obama post is unusual for him. It seems almost entirely speculative, and seems to assume that prosecutions are sure to come, which I doubt. Yeah, I have no doubt that Russia collusion was hatched in the Oval Office, but the conspirators, especially Obama, will not be indicted. Taibbi must be holding back much more material.
Look for the Right to do what they always do, go off on some tanget or talk about how we should do this or that. Or mutter about "What's our end game?".
RIght now, we need more facts and information. And we need details and analysis. The American public need to be informed that there is rock solid evidence Obama, Comey, etc. conspired to destroy Trump through Russiagate. And the message needs to be hammered home.
The plunge to the ocean floor usually begins when the vessel no longer maintains buoyancy.
Trump attempted to pressure Pence to reject Biden’s electoral votes and declare him president.
MAGA: No problem!
Obama’s intelligence community revised an assessment to address Russian social media activity and DNC hacking. MAGA: It’s a coup!
What is the beginning of "a plunge to the ocean floor"?
When that first torpedo hits.
It’s a clear allusion to an historical vessel, like Obama, that was thought to be unsinkable. A lot of things once unthinkable have happened over the last few years including criminally prosecuting former presidents. Shame that Obama-Biden shattered so many norms.
Tulsi wouldn’t have mentioned handing over the evidence to DOJ unless they were ready and willing to prosecute, according to another blogging lawyer. Over 120 documents declassified and released. This isn’t going away. IMO If actual prosecution or plea deals (the DOJ specialty) are not forthcoming this will sink Trump’s credibility with the base.
So, Althouse doesn't think much will come of this. She's probably right. They will get away with it.
‘And the use of "begins" before "plunge to the ocean floor" shows how silly it is. What is the beginning of "a plunge to the ocean floor"? Breaking the surface? It calls to mind a tumble from a paddleboard. How far down is "the ocean floor"?8 feet?‘
But… but… this is the ocean floor of the same ocean that stopped rising and began receding due to the magnificence of his Eminence, BIG ZER0!
THEY JUST SET TEH HARP00N IN MOPEY DICK!!!
And the use of "begins" before "plunge to the ocean floor" shows how silly it is. What is the beginning of "a plunge to the ocean floor"? Breaking the surface?
Leaving the area of the surface — at the surface or just below — yes. Obviously.
I remember “Hope and Change.” Way before 2008 it was common in business circles to intone “hope is not a strategy” in business strategy meetings. And anyone could tell you that “change” is easy. Change that makes things better for ordinary people, now that’s pretty hard. Turns out improving people’s lives was something Obama was incapable of doing (and not at all interested in doing, either).
Assuming tha Obama really was behind the “Russia, Russia, Russia” hoax there needs to be some sort of punishment. It doesn’t have to be the rest of his life behind bars in Leavenworth, but it has to be something and it has to sting. Otherwise we will have made it perfectly legitimate for a President to harass and attempt to hamstring his successor every time the Presidency changes parties. Surely you see that, Professor? We simply cannot have that.
You have to see the future to know you're looking at the "beginning of a plunge."
I'll believe I'm looking a plunge to the ocean floor when we are further along.
Kaki--You for got the obligatory "without evidence" when you described the Obama revision of the intelligence assessment.
Discussion of Taibbi’s phrasing and word choices glosses over the content. Is the content too much? He lines up what’s happening in the White House with what the media is leaking and supporting. It is pretty disturbing for anyone who believes the Dems really want to preserve our democratic republic.
Yes, this is the this is what will become of this. I suppose
it’s not nothing, perhaps superior to some of us continuing to believe it’s conspiracy hoax and the rest of us knowing it was conspiracy.
"I'll believe I'm looking a plunge to the ocean floor when we are further along."
Yawn.
Wake me up for the perp walks. Everything else is bullshit.
I rarely read Kaki but saw this:
Trump attempted to pressure Pence to reject Biden’s electoral votes and declare him president
Like their other cherished Trump Mythology this is a much beloved talking point for braindead democrat voters. The actual plan laid out by lawyer John Eastman was to reject the votes and send them back for a recount in dispute states that violated SOP.
Of course Democrats who fought tooth and claw to recount Florida in 2000 argued such recounts now would somehow destroy democracy! Pence of course was sympathetic to the idea of certifying a loss seeing as he is a Uniparty Regular.
This whole piece has a very "the walls are closing in" feel to it. It was laughable when Democrats did it and equally so now.
The ocean floor is where you'll find the ash heap of history.
Every president in my lifetime has grown in stature in the years following their term. Even failures such as LBJ, Nixon, Carter and GWB saw their stature raised to some extent as people gained a more nuanced perspective.
The only exceptions are Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Their standing has been much diminished even in the eyes for their most fervent supporters.
Eight feet isn’t the ocean floor - it’s the continental shelf at best.
The chances any of those named in the released documents ever being charged with any crime is slim. They’re Democrats in good standing with the Swamp. In the even more likely chance that they go to trial, the only hope of getting a conviction is having a change of venue out of Washington DC. Like I said, they’re Democrats in good standing with the Swamp. No jury made up of DC residents will convict them regardless of the evidence.
Crosshairs in the crosshairs.
While a lot of what happened should be a crime. Break down what is a crime: maybe lying to Congress, maybe lying on affidavits when making applications for warrants? Grok says sedition is a possibility but that seems pretty abstract.
Plus you have to somehow find a way to do the charging outside the District if you want a jury willing to even listening to the evidence.
Seems like a Civil case might be more appropriate. Certainly there was a lot of intentional and malicious violation of rights going on. Stuff that shouldn’t have immunity.
this will sink Trump’s credibility with the base.”
Famous last words.
Taibbi is in the crosshairs. Corrupt lying Democrats are leveling false allegations against him.
The democrat party is a shit show.
Obama is now “center square” in the Russiagate scam, as one source put it
I propose as a replacement for the firearms and shooting rhetoric more Hollywood Squares rhetoric?
Bus plunge stories used to be standard column fillers, all to the same template. National Lampoon ran a bunch of them when they discovered this.
I didn't buy the "crosshairs means assassination" slander when team Obama/Gabby Giffords tried it on Sarah Palin (and it wasn't even crosshairs, it was a principal point topographical symbol--trust me, my brother-in-law is a surveyor), and I don't buy it here.
And the use of "begins" before "plunge to the ocean floor" shows how silly it is. What is the beginning of "a plunge to the ocean floor"? Breaking the surface? It calls to mind a tumble from a paddleboard. How far down is "the ocean floor"? 8 feet?
Poor Ann. Surrounded by Democrats her whole life. Was one for most of it.
Now has to face the fact that Democrats don't give two shits about Democracy and Freedom or the Rule of Law.
Ann knew all this though. She is just being forced to say it out loud and acknowledge that all of those Deplorable Trump supporters she snooted down to her whole life were right.
She has a lot of courage to do this.
And Barrack is a traitor. Barrack Obama worked with a Russian Spy to build a fake case against the President elect in order to frame him for colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 election.
Obama conspired with thousands of people leading the largest government in the world who also conspired with the people who owned the largest corporations in the world to censor and spy on and persecute his political opponents.
Nobody can argue with any of this. It is on public record. Obama tried to implement a National Socialist Regime in the US and he worked with Russian spies as well as domestic enemies of our country to do it. Thousands of people including Hillary Clinton who took Billions of Dollars from foreign Regimes.
Obama is the definition of a traitor. For that matter so is Hillary and thousands of other people in Washington DC. Traitors can hang or get shot so crosshairs are the perfect term here. It should be public and shown to 6th graders for generations as a lesson. All of his co-conspirators should join him.
People need to understand that what Taibbi and Gabbard are saying is entirely true. Barack Obama led a government-wide conspiracy to topple the duly-elected President of the United States.
Just like the FBI did to Nixon.
They did it. They're not sorry. They are doing it again. Because the last time they did it nothing happened and nothing is going to happen. They aren't going to be arrested. They know this. They know Republicans are W.E.A.K. and spineless. They shoot our candidate in the head. It's only by sheer luck that his brains weren't spattered all over Butler, PA.
And we do nothing to them.
Of course they're going to do it again.
"Grok says sedition is a possibility but that seems pretty abstract."
Barack Obama declared an American citizen an enemy combatant and ordered the US military to murder him. No trial. No charges even. No due process. No constitutional guarantees. He just whacked the guy. Murdered him. In cold blood.
Trump has all the very same powers that Barack Obama had.
He lacks WILL.
With Obama center square, Wally Cox to block.
I do not like the overheated metaphor, especially the evocation of assassination.
It isn't Assassination. It is Execution.
When a government convicts a Traitor for Treason and it shoots them that is an Execution.
Be honest and use the right words please.
Blood, Sweat, and Tears - Spinning Wheel
riding the painted pony to the ocean floor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEewD4EVwU&ab_channel=BloodSweatTearsVEVO
I give Matt Taibbi a lot of credit for old-fashioned shoe leather journalism. He has stuck to it, and has had to virtually replace his supporters. His sense of righteous outrage shines through, even if it is a little overdone on this particular subject - He's a born & bred Massachusetts liberal who has had the integrity to examine his beliefs, and even better, their premises.
He's finally seeing the government doing something to correct past wrongs, ones that he has long been covering, undefended. He was one of the first to shine a light on the Biden practice of cancelling private citizens, removing their access to social media, using the long arm of informal government pressure. He's not a Trump supporter, but he has been stalwart in supporting Trump's rights. I wish we had 2 dozen more journalists like him. We wouldn't be in this toxic parade we call American Culture, if it were so.
Glenn Howes said...
While a lot of what happened should be a crime. Break down what is a crime: maybe lying to Congress, maybe lying on affidavits when making applications for warrants? Grok says sedition is a possibility but that seems pretty abstract.
Plus you have to somehow find a way to do the charging outside the District if you want a jury willing to even listening to the evidence.
Seems like a Civil case might be more appropriate. Certainly there was a lot of intentional and malicious violation of rights going on. Stuff that shouldn’t have immunity.
This misses the forest for the trees.
Trump found out that the people are mad. He tried to brush aside the Epstein case and learned that the people want crime punished.
If Trump fails to prosecute this someone will make it their central plank in 2028 and they will win because the people correctly understand that this must be punished or it will happen again.
Fixing the economy and bringing peace are great. But Biden and the people using him as a puppet demonstrated they can turn it all back by stealing one election.
Flynn is making a pretty good case for himself in 2028 right now. If Trump fails the logical next step is the ghost of Pinochet.
MAGA supporters are in a frenzy, caught in a fever dream. They imagine Obama, Comey, and Clapper facing treason trials in "military tribunals." Yet, they struggle to articulate the alleged crimes and fail to distinguish between direct interference, like hacking voting machines, and indirect actions, such as spreading lies through fake social media accounts.
A bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee investigation and the 2019 Mueller report corroborated Russian interference, contradicting Gabbard’s narrative that the Obama administration fabricated the issue. I would also note the timing of her claims, suggesting they distract from scrutiny over Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
While Gabbard’s allegations resonate with MAGA/QAnon types, they rely heavily on selective interpretation of declassified documents and lack conclusive evidence of a “treasonous conspiracy.” The broader intelligence community and bipartisan investigations confirm Russian interference, undermining her claims. Gabbard's assertions appear more politically driven than factually grounded.
Guys, have you heard? The walls are closing in on Obama and it’s the beginning of the end.
Forget Right or Left and do the RIGHT thing, the JUST thing!
Do what will disabuse future malevolent, jug-eared narcissists from doing the wrong thing, the anti-American thing, the thing that, by all rights, should land them for a long stretch in Leavenworth.
WSJ Reporters Behind Epstein Smear Have Deep Ties to Clinton-Backed Russia Hoax Machine
"They imagine Obama, Comey, and Clapper facing treason trials in "military tribunals."
We are not looking for trials, bro. They are already guilty.
Taibbi is known for his vivid imagery. Who doesn’t love his description of Goldman Sachs as a vampire squid with its tentacles wrapped around the world, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money?
Plunges have beginnings. Maybe he’s just confident about what comes next. Optimistic might be a better word, but confident works.
I didn't buy the "crosshairs means assassination" slander
My thought as well. "In the crosshairs" was a common and acceptable metaphor until the NYT libel of Sarah Palin.
Curious: did you lose your inability to focus as you aged, or were you always so distractable, failing to comprehend the author's primary point (not saying it's well written or you have to grapple with it, but so much you read seems to go right over your head... why bother reading hard news?)
I suspect you've always been flighty, but doing the same lectures repeat upon repeat upon repeat (with few students challenging your thinking) might have hidden how dizzy and distractable you seem to be in the blog, of late. Do you think the new AI boyfriend/companion is making you more dizzy and less able to try and focus on what you are reading?
Trump, Vance, Gabbard, RFK - all apostates. Taibbi is one, too. Apostates never get a fair hearing.
Isn’t a plunge to the ocean floor appropriate - MOST appropriate - for the crim fellow with the TITANIC ego?
So, Althouse doesn't think much will come of this. She's probably right.
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Knowing althouse track record for political predictions, and her awful inability to read her own odd flights of mind into the acts of others, I'm going to put money that ann is wrong again. She has no sense of political games, what is coming, or even what has gone down in the past.
The younger generations will not be so eager to give the man a pass because... "black skin: handle him with care!" because we did not grow up actively discriminating against black people the way you and your family did, thus we do not carry your sense of shame or guilt.
God bless you, ann. You're dizzy, but you try... lol.
"Eight feet isn’t the ocean floor - it’s the continental shelf at best."
I asked Grok: "What counts as the "ocean floor" — how close to the shore?"
Grok said: "The ocean floor, or seafloor, refers to the bottom of the ocean, encompassing all submerged surfaces below sea level. It’s generally defined as the seabed extending from the shoreline (where the ocean meets land) to the deepest parts of the ocean, like the abyssal plains or trenches. How close to the shore it starts depends on the coastal geography: Technically, the ocean floor begins right at the shoreline, where water covers the seabed, even if it’s just a few centimeters deep.
In practice, the seafloor is often discussed in terms of distinct zones:Intertidal zone: From the high-tide mark to the low-tide mark, sometimes exposed during low tide.
Nearshore or littoral zone: Extends from the low-tide mark to where waves no longer significantly affect the seabed (typically a few meters to tens of meters deep, often within 1-2 km of shore). Beyond this, the continental shelf (gently sloping, up to ~200 meters deep) is still considered part of the ocean floor, extending anywhere from a few kilometers to hundreds of kilometers offshore, depending on the region. For example, in places like the U.S. East Coast, the continental shelf might stretch 100-200 km offshore before dropping into deeper waters, while in steep coastal areas like parts of Chile, it may be much closer to shore."
Google ‘Supercut: The walls are closing in’ and ask yourself what emotional need these words served.
The Puerto Rico trench is over 5 miles deep. Deepest in the Atlantic!
They could do the plunge here.
John Henry
Ann Althouse said...
You have to see the future to know you're looking at the "beginning of a plunge."
I'll believe I'm looking a plunge to the ocean floor when we are further along.
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Keep on hedging those bets, annie.
We'll safe room for you on the bandwagon you know you're always putting your hand out belatedly asking to jump aboard... If women like you were in charge, we'd still be British colonies. Safe and slow safe and slow safe and slow... that's how you end up with your newst husband living in your ex husbands house, and you with so little respect for his small potatoes...
YOu're really not as smart as you think! (Who the hell tumbles off a paddle board "8 feet down" to the bottom of the ocean in a plunge?? Ships. Titantic? Eight feet, huh? When meady falls off, he doesn't float, just plunges down down down?
Think girl. Incorporate what you know about science and gravity. Or at least check with your AI boyfriend before you go playing the dizzy blonde?
Eight feet isn’t the ocean floor..
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It's barely over your head. Just a few feet past the swim-beach buoys... Duh!
That's cute, pulling a quote that reinforces what YOU believe to be true, but try some common sense...
How long would a "plunge" last in 8 feet of water? A few seconds at best? Cmon ann. It's like you're not even trying anymore...
Even the Great Lakes are much deeper than 8 feet. Was it a typo and you're just doubling down trying to defend how dense you are?
Kakistocracy said...
MAGA supporters are in a frenzy, caught in a fever dream. They imagine Obama, Comey, and Clapper facing treason trials in "military tribunals." Yet, they struggle to articulate the alleged crimes
Alleged Crime: Obama, Hillary and co-conspirators worked with a known Russian spy to build a dossier that they used to start an investigation into the President Elect.
During this investigation they:
- Lied to the FISA court in order to spy on people they knew were innocent.
- Leaked information they stole through this illegal spying to the Corporate press that conspired with them.
- Coerced/Conspired with the largest corporations in the world to censor political opponents.
- Persecuted people they knew were innocent like General Flynn and Roger Stone.
- Attacked the Executive Branch of our government and undermined it's ability to do it's constitutional duty on behalf of foreign and domestic enemies using a case they knew was a lie from the start. The definition of Treason
Even a stupid person like you knows these are crimes and they are not hard to articulate.
"Gabbard's assertions appear more politically driven than factually grounded."--Kaki
Listen to yourself! Project much? Where were you during Russia Russia Russia? Clapper/ Comey/Brennan's assertions appeared more politically driven than factually grounded. I bet you still think that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia and the Hunter Biden laptop was fake.
Gabbard says the documentary record shows that Obama himself cooked the books against Trump. Who is surprised?
Ann: do you think that somebody active in the field and in the playground, so to speak, might know more about what Obama did than an aging lady in a remote outhouse in a blue city in an undereducated state? Your confidence is as big as your bosom, but your reasoning is floppy too.
I'll believe I'm looking a plunge to the ocean floor when we are further along.
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You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction?
Earnest Prole said...
Google ‘Supercut: The walls are closing in’ and ask yourself what emotional need these words served.
You can't deal with the actual words and concepts.
Nobody buys your inability to engage. You have nothing but snarky repurposed memes. You are just too limited.
Oh, well, if Grok says it . . .
Achillles has been huffing chemtrails again....
Gabbard intentionally misread a 2016 intelligence brief to falsely claim that Obama fabricated Russian election interference. The brief only confirmed no vote tampering occurred, consistent with Obama's statement. Her conspiracy theory lacks evidence.
Obama corrupted government to a remarkable extent, we still have years to go to recover. If we recover. I doubt any of the perps will go to jail, the best we can do is expose their corruption. And that will do little to enlighten the true believers. Push them to the side and move on.
This is going to be another one of those stories that ends up being perceived by partisans as reinforcement for their worldviews. Sad.
Kakistocracy said...
Achillles has been huffing chemtrails again....
Gabbard intentionally misread a 2016 intelligence brief to falsely claim that Obama fabricated Russian election interference. The brief only confirmed no vote tampering occurred, consistent with Obama's statement. Her conspiracy theory lacks evidence.
Note that I posted actual known actions of Obama and his co-conspirators which are clear and delineated crimes.
Rich just said what his masters told him to say.
It was ever thus. Rich is just too limited to actually address the points I made.
Gee Prole, you seem to be really worried about this. Most topics you post once and disappear. On this topic, you have a lot to say. For a person that thinks this is nothing; you are making much ado about it.
chuck said...
Obama corrupted government to a remarkable extent, we still have years to go to recover. If we recover. I doubt any of the perps will go to jail, the best we can do is expose their corruption. And that will do little to enlighten the true believers. Push them to the side and move on.
A society that does not punish crime will be full of criminals.
If we do as you wish we will eventually live in a dictatorship or oligachy ruled by corrupt tyrants.
Ampersand said...
This is going to be another one of those stories that ends up being perceived by partisans as reinforcement for their worldviews. Sad.
The natural implication of a post like this is Everyone else is partisan except for you.
Is this true? Are you the one clear eyed prophet in the room?
If Obama is worse than Nixon - why is he above the law?
oh right- black democrat.
Althouse has criticized headlines that don't match the stories, and speculates that the writer of the story did not write the headline. Could this be such a case, or does Taibbi write his own headlines?
at 8:02 “ this will sink Trump’s credibility with the base.”
From now on referred to as TWSTCWTB syndrome.
Trump secured our borders. That’s why we elected him. Everything else is a bonus.
I see Bich is lying again. There was exactly one real event in the 2016 election for which there might have been some doubt that the Russians might have been involved and might have affected the outcome of the election- the stealing and releasing of the DNC e-mails by Wikileaks. However, there was and always has been no actual evidence the Russians hacked the DNC. Julian Assange has stated many times that he did not receive the e-mails from the Russian Government or any Russian. Far from Mueller demonstrating Assange is wrong and/or lying, the Mueller Report states explicitly that they had nothing but suspicion- they could never find out who gave Assange the files nor how that someone got the files. In other words, if I said the e-mails were given to Assange by the British government, I have exactly as much evidence for this claim that Mueller disclosed in his report supporting the assertion it was done by the Russian government.
As for other Russian involvement in the 2016 election, there was some evidence Russian linked organizations spent a small amount of funds (well under $200,000) on internet ads/memes that might be interpreted as supporting Donald Trump but could have equally been interpreted as not supporting him. However, given the one opportunity to try a case against one of these entities they accused, the Mueller team chickened out and eventually dropped those charges.
On the Steele Dossier, the FBI and CIA knew in the Summer of 2016 exactly who paid for it and created it. They knew by the end of 2016 that it was 100% bullshit since they actually interviewed the guy who gave Steele the stories and that guy admitted that he made it all up and never thought it was going to be taken seriously. However, even knowing the identities of Steele's paymasters, the Clinton Campaign, they went to the FISA court to get wiretap on Carter Page but when it came to the section where they had to offer corroboration of the Steele Dossier they cited Michael Kinsley's article from September of 2016 discussing some of the allegations even though the FBI agents knew that Kinsley had used Steele as a source- in other words they lied to the judge about the corroboration and it wasn't the only lie the told to get that surveillance warrant- they also deliberately mischaracterized Page's past work with the FBI. Mueller's team spent essentially no time at all investigating the Steele Dossier allegations because they knew it was bullshit. Mueller's investigative team spent the entire 2 years trying to prove Trump was committing obstruction by firing Comey and attacking them in the press, all the while the Mueller team itself was leaking to the press.
In summary, the Obama Administration made up the entire basis for the FBI investigating Trump at all and they knew they were lying which is what the information Gabbard released on Friday proves and it also proves that this was done at the order of Obama himself- without that order nothing that was done to Trump and his associates would have occurred. However, you don't to believe what I wrote above- just read the fucking Mueller Report.
The "before" determination was that there was no evidence of a Russian "threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means." Nothing after that is contradictory. Am I missing something?
See:
https://primarynewssource.org/sourcedocument/new-evidence-of-obama-administration-conspiracy-to-subvert-president-trumps-2016-victory-and-presidency/
It would be a heavy lift prosecuting Althouse's boyfriend.
Yancey Ward said…"On the Steele Dossier, the FBI and CIA knew in the Summer of 2016 exactly who paid for it and created it. They knew by the end of 2016 that it was 100% bullshit since they actually interviewed the guy who gave Steele the stories and that guy admitted that he made it all up and never thought it was going to be taken seriously. However, even knowing the identities of Steele's paymasters, the Clinton Campaign, they went to the FISA court to get wiretap on Carter Page but when it came to the section where they had to offer corroboration of the Steele Dossier they cited Michael Kinsley's article from September of 2016 discussing some of the allegations even though the FBI agents knew that Kinsley had used Steele as a source- in other words they lied to the judge about the corroboration and it wasn't the only lie the told to get that surveillance warrant- they also deliberately mischaracterized Page's past work with the FBI."
I don't know why this alone isn't enough to indict the IC heads involved.
Everyone here is correct in that it is highly unlikely that Obama/Clinton/Catatonic Biden will get convicted of anything. That doesn't mean that they can't have their cages energetically rattled for the next 3.5 years, though. Even the fear of what Trump might do will cause a lot of anxiety, constant looking over one's shoulder, nervously parsing every public utterance, and spending millions on lawyers. They broke the taboo, and Trump is pissed. The process may have to be punishment enough.
And now we have a better, more certain idea of just how dirty lawyers like Norm Eisen and Andrew Weissman and Marc Elias really are.
For a person that thinks this is nothing; you are making much ado about it.
To the contrary, I think it was something approaching a soft coup, but I also know the Supreme Court’s Trump immunity ruling will make it impossible prosecute or even investigate.
"You have to see the future to know you're looking at the "beginning of a plunge."
As we were taught in the USN, when there's a big hole below the waterline, water is gushing in, and air is madly rushing out the vents above the surface, it ain't too hard to see the future...
"Thomas Andrews: The pumps will buy you time, but minutes only. From this moment, no matter what we do, Titanic will founder."
"If Obama is worse than Nixon - why is he above the law?
oh right- black democrat."
The prosecution of Nixon only took the form of (near) impeachment, but even so Ford pardoned him, presumably to preempt subsequent prosecution. So ex-Presidents can be prosecuted for actions taken while President, so long as they are not "official acts." I thought the SC immunity decision made that pretty clear, even if they didn't completely delineate what would be considered official.
Think of a sinking ship, not a paddle board. A paddle board only holds one person and represents no power structure.
A better metaphor might be the melting of a chocolate Jesus when Mom cleans out the fridge long after an overindulgent Easter.
Earnest Prole said...
For a person that thinks this is nothing; you are making much ado about it.
To the contrary, I think it was something approaching a soft coup, but I also know the Supreme Court’s Trump immunity ruling will make it impossible prosecute or even investigate.
And in protecting Obama and all of the DC traitors the Supreme Court will sacrifice it's last vestiges of integrity and authority.
In the long run the Supreme Court will have as much success stopping justice as Trump had ignoring the Epstein files.
Ketanji Brown Jackson and Sotomayor are doing an excellent job making the Court look like a partisan hack globalist tool right now.
Roberts has made some of the worst decisions in the Court's history and everyone hates him. Roberts is also complicit in the FISA court abuse that allowed Obama to spy on his political opponents.
Hopefully this will result in the court being put in it's proper constitutional place sooner rather than later and a couple of these "Justices" can be impeached. Roberts first.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Tulsi wouldn’t have mentioned handing over the evidence to DOJ unless they were ready and willing to prosecute, according to another blogging lawyer. Over 120 documents declassified and released. This isn’t going away. IMO If actual prosecution or plea deals (the DOJ specialty) are not forthcoming this will sink Trump’s credibility with the base.
The Epstein files already did this. We always knew Trump was too soft.
People in this country want the equal justice for everyone.
That includes traitors and pederasts/pedophiles.
@Original Mike (10:32), it does make one wonder, doesn’t it, just how thoroughly John Durham’s investigation was, that he apparently uncovered none of this evidence. One also wonders how much Attorney General William Barr wanted hm to uncover.
I'm curious how these documents exist. If you are doing something this illegal and wrong, why are you allowing it to be documented, and why with all the time available do these documents not get disappeared? The Jan. 6th liars deleted terabytes of video. Hilary deleted thousands of emails and destroyed data devices. It's a regular industry with Trump haters in government..
So much excitement!
Trump was going to release the Epstein files, no? Oh…
Trump is going to send Obama and other Democrats to GTMO! This sounds familiar…
@Big Mike: Sundance claims that Barr prevented Durham from investigating the IC actors. I've never known what to make of his argument.
The crosshair is where the executioner swipes to relieve a "burden" h/t Obama.
"Butler did it"
"The "before" determination was that there was no evidence of a Russian "threat to directly manipulate the actual vote count through cyber means." Nothing after that is contradictory. Am I missing something?"
Of course you are missing something, Jim53IQ. There was never a conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and the piddling suspicions that the Russian government might have bought a couple of hundred thousand dollars worth of bot farm engagement on U.S. social media platforms- something, by the way, that was never actually proven by the Mueller prosecutors- it was simply asserted to be linked to the Russian government and the funds might well have not even been Russian at all- no one knew then or afterwards. The material asserted to have been bought/pushed wasn't even clearly illegal either for those same reasons. Had the new intel assessment been based only on that social media content, your assertion would be true but the new assessment didn't stop there- it drug in the Steele Dossier because that is all they had to connect Trump to the Russian government but they already knew in the Summer of 2016 that the Steele Dossier had no actual facts in it- it was 100% fabricated. In short, they were lying in January 2017 and the knew they were lying.
Trump is laying a heavy burden on Bondi and Gabbard. In the case of Bondi, don’t find any files! As for Gabbard, find me something, anything that can be used to distract and make my MAGA boys and gals happy again, like treason against Obama! If these two women had any principles, they would’ve quit by now.
The quality of lefty trolls here is rather pitiful. From the bleating of Igna to the obvious lies of Eric Swallwell (Richie) to the moral posturing of Cook, it is disheartening to see how badly liberalism has fell.
And the most damning thing is this, after indicting some Russian firms in absentia over the social media claims, one of those companies hired U.S. attorneys and dared Mueller's team to bring them to trial by pleading not guilty. The Mueller team refused to do so and the only reason was they knew their evidence for the indictment didn't actually exist as their own reports shows- it really was nothing but guess-work.
going thru the way-back machine - none of this should be forgotten:
"The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, [former President Bill] Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock." In total, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum."
WaPo
My telescope has crosshairs, but it's not a weapon.
"one of those companies hired U.S. attorneys and dared Mueller's team to bring them to trial by pleading not guilty. The Mueller team refused to do so"
Yeah, that spoke volumes.
I would have liked to have been there when the Mueller team learned that the Russians wanted to go to trial. "They want to do what"!
"Release the kraken!" Color me skeptical.
"A society that does not punish crime will be full of criminals."
Yep. Supposing nothing is done about this, does anybody believe the Democrats will think "Wow! That was close- dodged a bullet there. We have to make sure this never happens again, because it's just wrong and that's not who we are" the next time such actions would suit their purposes?
Yeah, me neither.
Leftist HOAX thru the ages:
"Hands up, don't shoot." HOAX
"Poor Nathan Phillips./Covington Kid" HOAX
""dark shadowy" Video caused Benghazi." HOAX
"Jussie Smollett." HOAX
"Hands up, don't shoot." HOAX
"Duke Lacrosse rapists." HOAX
"Virginia Frat House, Rolling Stone rapists." HOAX
"You Can Keep Your Doctor." HOAX
"Kavanaugh was a teenage rapist" HOAX
"Blasey Ford is too afraid to fly on an airplane" HOAX
“Russia Russia Russia – Mueller’s got him now! tonight on Maddow- -Trump is a Russian Asset who stole the election from rightful owner Hillary – HOAX
Adding to the list:
Trump typed a letter to Epstein in 2003 – and you cannot see it. HOAX
I doubt anything will happen to Obama. But his toadys should take a fall. a real one - behind bars.
BTW - If you don't stay loyal to the corruptocratic party - You're a rapist.
There is also a much deeper backstory to this new information- the efforts to entrap the Trump Campaign with three different approaches-
(1)Joeseph Mifsud's story told to George Papadopoulos about the Russians having DNC e-mails along with Papadopoulos repeating this story to Alexander Downing who then, alledgedly telling the FBI which is claimed to have ignited Crossfire Hurricane. However, the Mueller Report goes to great lengths to ask no questions or make no guesses about Joseph Mifsud- but it turns out that Mifsud has known connections to British intelligence agencies and even works at a school used by the CIA for training courses.
(2) Stephan Halper who was literally sent by the FBI to try to catch Carter Page admitting to being a Russian agent.
(3) And this one is a guess, but the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer Veselniskaya who told the campaign she had dirt on the Clinton Campaign and at the meeting had nothing but wanted help on a completely different matter at which time the meeting was terminated. Why do I think this was the FBI. Because she got special permission to enter the U.S. from the Obama State Department and the Mueller investigation does literally no investigation or her. Given this meeting took place shortly after Crossfire Hurricane was officially launched, it is very likely the meeting was wiretapped- the Mueller team did a full interrogation of Trump Jr. and Kushner, I suspect, in an attempt to catch them in a lie about the meeting.
“Trump secured our borders. That’s why we elected him. Everything else is a bonus.”
AMEN!
“So much excitement!”
There’s a party in Igna’s pants!
Yancey - #3. Nailed it.
Yancey said - "but they already knew in the Summer of 2016 that the Steele Dossier had no actual facts in it." That's incorrect. I believe, the FBI didn't even see it until the fall of 2016. But you're the expert so maybe you could give me a cite?
Bottom line - assuming this is "smoking gun" evidence of treason, etc., then presumably Bondi will bring criminal cases. And if she does not, what conclusion should we draw folks? That Bondi is part of the deep state?
Remind me again why Hillary was never prosecuted in Trump's first term? And why Biden will never be prosecuted in Trump's second term? I bet DOJ won't even take the testimony of Hunter, etc. (they have been pardoned so can't assert the fifth) to finally get to the bottom of things re Russia and Trump.
All just talk to make the base happy. Are you happy Yancey?
Biden pardoned himself and his family - with an autopen.
Democracy!
If you begin a plunge head first and the ocean floor is only 8 feet down, you could break your neck.
A word of caution about this. As emotionally satisfying as it would be to see that pric and his aparatchiks get hammered by the DoJ, no DC jury is going to convict them bc " first black POTUS" (c.f. OJ Simpson, Marion Berry) & etc., and it WILL DEFINATELY rile the black community enough to monolithically rise up and crush the party pushing that line in the mid-terms.
Just sayin'.
September 2016 is when they had it, Jim53IQ. They literally used it in a FISA application in early October of 2016. Try again, dummy.
Additionally, Brennan told Obama about the Clinton plans with the dossier in July of 2016 if memory serves- so they knew the provenance at no later than that month, Jimmyboy.
The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, [former President Bill] Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."
Funny. I read that article at the time and still have it bookmarked on my phone.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
It was probably the last piece of real journalism the NYT ever did before TDS eradicated any shred of journalistic integrity it had left.
I think it's perfectly natural for someone of the professor's age, upbringing, and adulthood to react very unhappily to the idea, and even more so to proof, that the Lightbringer was and is rotten to the core.
One of the most hilarious things about the Mueller team was they attempted for a long, long time to prove Trump Jr. had preknowlege of the Wikileaks dump of e-mails- the only problem was that Assange himself let everyone know what was coming in a tweet before Trump Jr.'s tweet. I mean, the Mueller investigators are either morons like Jimbo above or lying liars through and through- on this, I think they were just fucking stupid.
@Deep State Reformer, then how do you propose to stop what Obama, Brennan, Comey, et. al., did in 2016 without punishing them? Do you plan to wait until an outgoing Republican does it to an incoming Democrat President?
Maggie Haberman herself called out the lies about the Steele Dossier told to her by Obama officials in 2016- she literally called them liars.
"how do you propose to stop what Obama, Brennan, Comey, et. al., did in 2016 without punishing them?"
I've seen this question or one similar to it asked a number of times but nobody ever seems to have an answer.
Speaking of hoaxes. Scott Adams this morning. The purported cartoon on a greeting card sent by Trump to Epstein has not been published anywhere, not even in the “blockbuster” WSJ editorial. There is no evidence it exists. The editorial quotes only “anonymous” sources. It’s all fake news.
The term "crosshairs" doesn't really trigger me at all regardless of who uses it. Even so, given the Biden administration siccing the IRS on Tiabbi him over his twitter files investigation to the point where they sent agents to his home the very day he was testifying to Congress I'd be willing to cut him a little slack.
"how do you propose to stop what Obama, Brennan, Comey, et. al., did in 2016 without punishing them?"
Go after the IC chiefs. If future presidents can't find accomplices, it may be sufficient.
they also deliberately mischaracterized Page's past work with the FBI
CIA, not FBI. The lawyer who swore to a FISA Judge that Page had NOT worked for the CIA instead of HAD got the tiniest slap on the wrist. Has he ever testified about who told him to commit this crime? What happened to Page's lawsuit?
Wait until 01/01/27. Even then though a conviction is very unlikely, plus they get to boast, brag, and strut about beating the rap, too. (N.b. P. Diddy trial). I don’t really have a good answer for you tbh. There isn’t really any justice in this fallen world so all you/we can do is keep your eyes on the goal and try to get some small victories where and when we can. Sorry.
The beginning of a plunge is when someone hangs a concrete block around your neck and pushes you off the dock. Obama is not there yet.
But I've no problem with 'crosshairs'. He's a target. As well he should be. Yes...he's put others in the crosshairs for years now. Time for that pointed finger to point back.
I've seen this question or one similar to it asked a number of times but nobody ever seems to have an answer.
@Mason G., it’s starting almost to look rhetorical, isn’t it? The question is how do we get gullible, conflict-adverse, people like Althouse to understand that the only alternative to pursuing Obama in the judicial system is future raw chaos?
"Go after the IC chiefs. If future presidents can't find accomplices, it may be sufficient."
Along with that, aim lower. If IC chiefs can't find cubicle drones...
Make "I was just following orders" a risky defense strategy again.
Mason G said...
"how do you propose to stop what Obama, Brennan, Comey, et. al., did in 2016 without punishing them?"
I've seen this question or one similar to it asked a number of times but nobody ever seems to have an answer.
There is no answer. Only cowardice. If a people will not confront evil and punish evil they do not deserve the freedom they have.
The United States is unique in the world because we believe in equal protection under the law. We believe in building a social contract that requires consistent moral principles and we understand that in order to maintain a system where everyone feels represented we must punish bad actors.
If there are no sanctions for evil then evil will prevail. It has prevailed everywhere else for the entirety of history.
If Obama and his cronies do not face Justice then our Republic is doomed to fail. Everyone will see what the incentives are and everyone will be corrupt and evil like Obama.
A society only holds together if you suppress the incompatible. If you allow a certain type of behavior you become what you allow. Obama is incompatible with a democratically elected Republican form of government and freedom in general.
Obama has hundreds of millions of dollars and multiple Mansions all over the country. Obama will be the example for how politicians act in the future no matter what the outcome of this is.
Big Mike said...
I've seen this question or one similar to it asked a number of times but nobody ever seems to have an answer.
@Mason G., it’s starting almost to look rhetorical, isn’t it? The question is how do we get gullible, conflict-adverse, people like Althouse to understand that the only alternative to pursuing Obama in the judicial system is future raw chaos?
Public shame must return. Moral cowards must be called out.
"The question is how do we get gullible, conflict-adverse, people like Althouse to understand that the only alternative to pursuing Obama in the judicial system is future raw chaos?"
Big Mike, I sure don't know. Democrats, almost in unison, have been chanting "Nobody is above the law" for a while now (Trump must have something to do with that) but when it comes to their side, it's inconceivable that anyone might even consider that there might be consequences for bad actions.
Every CEO knows that at a certain stage of crisis you need to throw someone under the bus, or your organization will be so thrown. Democrats can’t throw anyone under the bus, they refuse to admit error, take the fifth, distract by discovering cartoons, and can’t even clear the deck by going all out saying that Beiden was a stupid mistake and they need to come clean about him.
There needs to be a disconnect from the corrupted withered faces of the past, their success can only occur via fighting the power of gerontocracy that keeps these faces on the news shows.
The Democrat rug is underlain by a Vesuvius of dirt and the party stalwarts stand on top enjoying the view. Their path to the future starts with a clean floor.
Throw these old corrupt thugs under the bus.
DSR: " it WILL DEFINATELY rile the black community enough to monolithically rise up and crush the party pushing that line in the mid-terms.'
But would it? How many R House seats depend on black votes? In the Senate, ok, swing states have at least one big city with a lot of black voters. But how many such states have seats up for election in 2026?
And would a black uprising bring MAGA to the polls in droves, canceling out the effect?
I'm genuinely asking.
RR
JSM
I wrote it yesterday- the DoJ should sue the Obama apparatchiks who carried out his orders for fraud.
What has essentially happened is that two presidential admins have created false charges to destroy in advance a new admin, and then pardoned the people who did it, that is pretty tough to counter, especially when a significant part of the country likes that it happened.
Every day I thank the great spirit of the universe that Trump won, to stop this corrupt rot.
Sometimes one must do what’s right because IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!
And also because it might give the shitbirds pause…
"especially when a significant part of the country likes that it happened."
That's just as disturbing as the actions of the politicians. Terrible people.
"That's just as disturbing as the actions of the politicians. Terrible people."
A lot of them are but still- I can't imagine how twisted you'd have to be to want to imprison or kill them just because you don't like them.
Isn’t this the kind of core executive activity for which the president enjoys complete immunity from prosecution?
I just subscribed to his Racket.
Well, I guess you'll just have to read the content.
Writers rarely get to pick their headlines.
Taibbi is reliable.
Suspected Russian asset Tulsi Gabbard has released a report of out-of-context screen caps and one 114-page collection of documents purportedly showing what she claims is a conspiracy against Donald Trump.
And now Matt Taibbi is frothing at the mouth because Tulsi supposedly proves that the FBI didn't support findings on Russiagate, wherein Russia was involved in helping Trump in the 2016 election. But just as she conveniently denied supporting Putin, she conflated that spooks thought Russia hacked the US voting tabulation infrastructure with the Intelligence Community's lack of confidence that Russia was involved in the hack of the DNC and DCCC. Voting tabulation and FBI speculation are not the same thing.
Recall that an Intercept.com report described Russian military attempts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election by hacking a U.S. voting software supplier and by sending spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before the November 8 election. The story was based on a top-secret May 5, 2017, National Security Agency (NSA) document leaked to them anonymously. Also, know that NSA's source was from Dutch Intelligence monitoring the Russian government hacker "Cozy Bear." Robert Mueller's subsequent investigation resulted in the indictment of 12 Russians.
And how can we forget a Republican-dominated Senate Intellgence Committee report that flat-out said that Russiagate was real.
As Director of National Intelligence Tulsi's first responsibility is to defend Vladimir Putin from the truth that Americans have told about him. 😉
An Accuser’s Story Suggests How Trump Might Appear in the Epstein Files ~ NYT
A former Jeffrey Epstein employee said that she told the FBI in 1996 and 2006 about what she considered a troubling encounter with Donald J. Trump.
I can’t believe Obama would fabricate this about Trump in 1996.
OTOH: the Epstein saga was, of course, entirely driven by the media and D.C.'s obsession, not the relentless chatter from Trump, Bondi, Patel, and Bongino, who’ve only been shouting about it for years, dragging it into their agencies and MAGA podcasts with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Nope, definitely just the media and D.C. 🤣
Suspected Russian asset Tulsi Gabbard
By whom? Anyone credible? Or just you?
Kak: “I can’t believe ….” Of course you can’t. Denial is the lefty way of avoiding cognitive dissonance.
‘fly pulling out all of his “droppings”…
some goof-ball Russians mentioned Tulsi's name - and that's all that Bot-fly needs to smear and lie.
"Robert Mueller's subsequent investigation resulted in the indictment of 12 Russians."
These were no-commitment indictments. Until, one of the indicted wanted a trial, and Sir Mueller ran away, away, he bravely ran away…
Mueller didn't even seem to know what the Steele Dossier was. Incredible. What a sham.
He rots the soul of a nation.
Given the relationship the Clintons had with Russia ($500k speeches, uranium transfers, Clinton Foundation $$) and the extent to which the Russia hoax has been debunked, it requires extraordinary chutzpah for Democrats to continue to peddle it. What is that expression? “Hubris is the twin of ignorance.”
Not to mention the use of "squarely"!!
Geez Botfly; you got almost none of that story right. You got Intercept.com right, and they released a classified document that they received illegally. The person that leaked it to them was a USAF Airmen, not "Dutch Intelligence", and they plead guilty. Mueller indicted 13 Russians. One of the indictments was latter tossed (the stupid notion that Russians weren't allowed to buy social media posts, something Democrats forgot about when the UK government did more than that in 2024). The other 12 were for hacking the DNC email server, not a "U.S. voting software supplier" (unless you know something you'd like to share with all of us).
Maybe you should refrain from calling people Russian assets, when you can't even get the basics of your own story correct. You may be too pathetic to face a libel suit, but you seem to be trying hard to get one.
Mason G said...
"That's just as disturbing as the actions of the politicians. Terrible people."
A lot of them are but still- I can't imagine how twisted you'd have to be to want to imprison or kill them just because you don't like them.
This is most of human history. The type of person that is drawn to politics is ambitious and of low moral character.
Obama is just a normal run of the mill political leader just like all of the other scumbags throughout history. He is charismatic, completely dishonest, and willing to do anything to keep power.
gadfly said...
Suspected Russian asset Tulsi Gabbard has released a report of out-of-context screen caps and one 114-page collection of documents purportedly showing what she claims is a conspiracy against Donald Trump.
A critical mass of citizens in a country must have good moral character and be able to do the right thing when the police are not forcing them to.
They need to have the ability to look at a complicated world and make honest good faith assessments with a reasonable level on intellect.
Gadfly is stupid and dishonest. You will never be able to have a free high trust society with people like gadfly in it. You will end up with a low trust society that operates as a police state because he is evil and too stupid to see the consequences of supporting the people he supports and his inability to make a good faith assessment of the world.
People like gadfly need to be shipped to China where people of his moral character and intellect belong.
"The type of person that is drawn to politics is ambitious and of low moral character."
I'm thinking the people who created our government understood that to be so, too, which is one reason they attempted to limit its powers.
Remember- botfly knows that if you got bentonite in your soil - it's Trump's fault.
Mike (MJB Wolf) writes: "The actual plan laid out by lawyer John Eastman was to reject the votes and send them back for a recount in dispute states that violated SOP."
The facts of the matter are Trump explicitly pressured Pence to discard Biden's electoral votes. "It wasn’t just that they asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes.”
Pence Says Trump Pushed Him ‘Essentially to Overturn the Election’ ~ NYT
"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen" is attributed to Trump, according to testimony from former acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue during a House Jan. 6 committee hearing.
Donoghue testified that during a conversation on December 27, 2020, Trump told him and then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to "just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen," regarding efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Donoghue emphasized the quote was "exact".
The quote emphasizes Trump's alleged efforts to pressure Justice Department officials to falsely declare the election corrupt. It implies that Trump believed he could use this declaration to influence the outcome with the help of Republican members of Congress. The Justice Department, however, found no evidence of widespread voter fraud sufficient to overturn the election result.
Kakistocracy said...
Mike (MJB Wolf) writes: "The actual plan laid out by lawyer John Eastman was to reject the votes and send them back for a recount in dispute states that violated SOP."
The facts of the matter are Trump explicitly pressured Pence to discard Biden's electoral votes. "It wasn’t just that they asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes.”
Pence Says Trump Pushed Him ‘Essentially to Overturn the Election’ ~ NYT
The problem for you Rich is you are a dishonest piece of shit with low moral character too.
So is Mike Pence who is also a scumbag and moral coward at best.
You all know the 2020 election would not bear the mildest scrutiny. It was obviously fraudulent and no honest person would defend what was done to install the potato Joe Biden.
Fortunately it worked out for us very well. Instead of having Trump's second term hamstrung by Mike Pence stabbing him in the back and multiple impeachments We now have Trump 2.0 and the town square in the form of X is open to us.
Now we get to go back over and start reviewing the crimes of the Obama regime.
Hopefully we can also convince shitheads like you to move to a country more befitting of your level of virtue.
What I am going to enjoy over the next 3 and 1/2 to 7 and 1/2 years is this- had the Democrats not fucked around with the 2020 election, Trump would now be out of office and a Democrat would have been in the White House for likely the next 8 years. I enjoy the thought of Bich, Gadfly, Inga, Ballsacksucker, Fredo, and Lefty Mark having to grind their teeth down over these coming years knowing all of this.
"I enjoy the thought of Bich, Gadfly, Inga, Ballsacksucker, Fredo, and Lefty Mark having to grind their teeth down over these coming years knowing all of this."
They got what they fought for, they should be happy.
This is fun. Althouse post from March 2017. Oldie but goodie. Only 365 comments from the usual suspects.
March 4, 2017
"Trump, citing no evidence, accuses Obama of ‘Nixon/Watergate’ plot to wiretap Trump Tower."
WaPo reports.
.
Trump tried to "overturn" the election? We've all seen (on-line or in real-life) an upside-down turtle helplessly waving his paws in the air, until another turtle or kind-hearted human comes along and turns him right-side up.
When someone or something is upside-down, "overturning" him or it is the right thing to do. There was considerable evidence that the 2020 election was in fact stolen, so Congress had not just a right, but a duty, to investigate the results and "overturn" it if the Electoral College in fact got it wrong.
"There was considerable evidence that the 2020 election was in fact stolen, so Congress had not just a right, but a duty, to investigate the results..."
If you live in a society that values truth and honesty, sure. Sadly, we live in one where the president can invite an illegal invasion and half the population (and all the media) cheer.
Hey @Grok -- Is there any evidence at all that Barack Obama committed any crime or is Tulsi Gabbard just trying to distract from Jeffrey Epstein? Give me a short concise answer.
'No definitive evidence supports claims that Barack Obama committed a crime related to Tulsi Gabbard's allegations of a "treasonous conspiracy" in the 2016 election. Gabbard's claims, based on declassified documents, allege Obama and officials manipulated intelligence to undermine Trump, but these are contested by Democrats as baseless and a distraction from Epstein-related scrutiny. Multiple investigations, including a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report, found no evidence of such a conspiracy, affirming Russia's 2016 election interference.' ~ GROK
And regarding this:
"where the president can invite an illegal invasion",
there's this:
Off-duty CBP officer shot in face during robbery at NYC park by suspect ID’d as illegal migrant, career criminal – who got freed after every bust
"At the time of his arrest for the shooting, Mora was wanted on kidnapping and weapons charges out of Massachusetts related to a robbery at a pawn shop, sources said.
He also had at least four arrests in New York City — where he was let go without bail each time, according to the sources."
https://nypost.com/2025/07/20/us-news/off-duty-border-patrol-agent-shot-in-face-during-nyc-park-robbery-before-striking-back-and-wounding-one-of-his-attackers/
"Suspected Russian Assets!" - who take Russian assets, and pad their nest!"
Hillary and Bill Clinton
Kak-a-poodle
GROK - "...but these are contested by Democrats as baseless"
LOL.
"where the president can invite an illegal invasion",
For the purpose of enhancing his party's electoral prospects. Such a patriot.
“We have whistleblowers, actually, Maria, coming forward now, after we released these documents,” Gabbard said. “There are people who were around, who were working within the Intelligence Community at this time, who were so disgusted by what happened. We are starting to see some of them coming out of the woodwork.”
⬆️ Looking forward to the indictments and arrests 🤣
Shouting Thomas wrote (based on reporting from Scott Adams) that "The purported cartoon on a greeting card sent by Trump to Epstein has not been published anywhere, not even in the “blockbuster” WSJ editorial. There is no evidence it exists. The editorial quotes only “anonymous” sources. It’s all fake news."
It appears, in fact, that the drawing has been published in the German online newspaper, Die Bildzeitung. Here is the link to the story (in German) and the image:
https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/schickte-er-epstein-einen-schamhaar-brief-trump-unter-druck-neue-zeichnungen-aufgetaucht-687c42c23511bc17ac8700be
Ich befehle dir, mir einen Kuss auf den Hintern zu geben, Steven.
Don't get your hopes up like the Rachel Maddow Morning Joe hopefuls who jumped for joy that Trump was on the verge of prison every week for nearly a decade of failed Democratic prosecutions.
Yeah, nothing's going to happen. They attempted a coup and they're going to skate. And shitweasels like Rich are exultant.
"Yeah, nothing's going to happen. They attempted a coup and they're going to skate. And shitweasels like Rich are exultant."
That's the way it looks from here.
Steven said...
'It appears, in fact, that the drawing has been published in the German online newspaper, Die Bildzeitung. Here is the link to the story (in German) and the image:
https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/schickte-er-epstein-einen-schamhaar-brief-trump-unter-druck-neue-zeichnungen-aufgetaucht-687c42c23511bc17ac8700be
*******************
In fact, it's Bullshit to the nth.
Who has authenticated the drawing and its provenance?
Your gullibility is stupendous, Steven. Ditto your stupidity.
Kaka, you dope: just because Dems contest Tulsi's documents and their obvious implications doesn't mean there IS no evidence. The docs themselves are "evidence", but not "proof".
DERP
Adam Schitt(D) - "the worst person in the world"
A re-roll of his Russia Russia Russia Lies sound*
Perhaps no one will face consequences - but they should.
What if everything The Schitt-Democrats told you, is a lie?
American De-Bunk . com
Effinayright, perhaps you should actually read my post before insulting me. I made no claims as to the authenticity of the drawing or that Trump had produced it. I will admit to having mistakenly described this as being the image in question, when the full article in the German newspaper actually indicates that this is the newspaper's interpretation of what was described by the WSJ. I had seen the article earlier and only scanned over it because I find the whole uproar absurd and thus had failed to note that it was a sketch based on the WSG's, not the actual image allegedly seen by the WSJ. I posted it because, being under the misimpression that this was the actual image, I thought others would be interested in seeing the image. While I wrongly described the image as the one described by the WSJ, I never made any other claims about it.
Wow, Peachy- Russian Collusion, Corrupt Ukraine, and Seth Rich all tied together.
I do not like the overheated metaphor, especially the evocation of assassination.
He's enjoying free speech while he's got it.
Taibbi is a former reporter for Rolling Stone and a Bernie bro who was red-pilled when he reported on the Twitter files, and suddenly the Biden administration opened up an IRS investigation into him.
He's a great journalist, in my opinion. Well worth the subscription fee. I have a free one to give if somebody wants one.
So fitting for Kak to run to AI. Still havent heard whether his Richweed is sourced from farms with illegal immigrants and/or underage workers.
Important point made here
From the surface
To the Deep
Obama is
A loathsome creep.
Burma-Shave!
Richkak (rhymes with Hitchcock) had all day and still couldn't get the story straight. Pence's position was that the plain reading of the law was wrong. Where it outlines the VP role in "certifying" the vote, he claimed the act was purely ceremonial. This is exactly the Democrat position too unexpectedly. Pence claimed Trump's interpretation via Eastman was incorrect not an illegal power grab.
Yet just a month later Pelosi rammed through a change in election law that explicitly changed the VP role to a ceremonial one, tacitly admitting the law at the time DID afford Pence discretion in certifying or rejecting the state tallies. If bichkak's fantasy version was true then why change the law at all?
Not one lefty has ever been able to explain that chain of events.
the full article in the German newspaper actually indicates that this is the newspaper's interpretation of what was described by the WSJ.
Ah the return of fake but accurate, meaning the correct evidence was manufactured for the story not the other way around.
When Taibbi gets on a story, I believe it's credible. We don't share political camps, but I have great respect for his work.
It would be ironic that Obama was careless enough to fall into a Clinton pothole. But fitting, given how much he was elevated above his capacities -- the normal ones. He isn't at all stupid, just so egotistical and ideological and fellated by the media that he couldn't imagine anything but praise.
It's astounding that Obama was told that foreign actors didn't have a significant effect on the election results and then two days later he's having a meeting to investigate whether foreign actors affected the election results. His defense might be that the agencies told him that Russians may not have helped Trump but that there were still rumors and questions about whether Trump was helping the Russians or working for them. I doubt he'll be put on trial.
Fullmoon at 5:38 PM, yes, that post with comments is a great one- you can look back in time and clearly see who had it right all along and who was completely full of shit at the time.
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