If the Mueller Special Counsel investigation were a movie, the whole story could have a big twist. The supposedly non-partisan committee was tasked to find any wrongdoing associated with the topic. There was plenty of wrong doing found, but unexpectedly, by different bad actors.
Yeah but who is buying any of this phony 'Al Capone's Vault' crap? Classified documents stuffed into dusty burn bags in secret rooms, huh? Suuurre they did. And they're almost 10 years old, waaay before anybody kept stuff electronically, on classified servers. John Durham's report, the classified appendix section? It was classified, not misplaced, not hidden. Shaking my head at this farce.
Looking forward to STINKY's take on this one, but only so I can skip over it.
Immanuel Rant said... Ok, that post was worthless. Has anyone put any of the newest FBI records locate in the Russia-Russia-Russia thing out into the public?
They are doing interviews first. Once the indictments are prepared and beginning to be delivered the docs will come out.
They were planning to frame Trump before the Steele Dossier was built.
That means they actively sought out a Russian spy to work with as part of the plan.
Yeah but who is buying any of this phony 'Al Capone's Vault' crap?
@Aggie, me. I worked in the Pentagon, in DIA, during the Vietnam War, and I worked in the Intel community as a civilian for many years thereafter. I find this scenario to be perfectly plausible.
They were planning to frame Trump before the Steele Dossier was built.
What on Earth Is Going on at the University of Wisconsin’s Medical School? https://spectator.org/what-on-earth-is-going-on-at-the-university-of-wisconsins-medical-school/
It's sort of what you'd expect -- not like they'd cured cancer or created life in a test tube.
Aggie: "in the early 1970s everything was on paper, carbon copies and all. In 2016, not so much."
You'd be surprised. In fedgov, sometimes paper copies are still required by regulations that no one ever bothered to change. Then there is also the Boss Principle: you give the boss the info in the format she wants. A lot of executives are tech-shy and still want paper. It also may be easier to print out classified stuff, put it under a cover sheet, and physically move it around a building, versus trying to give someone electronic access to it.
And finally, there's the insurance-policy principle: print the stuff and lock it up in case someone scrubs it from the network.
Donald Trump announces 15% tariff on South Korean goods ~ FT 'The president said the trade deal would include hundreds of billions of dollars in US investment'
This part seems like the same delusion he had with the Japan deal. ↓ “give to the United States $350 Billion Dollars for Investments owned and controlled by the United States, and selected by myself, as President”, Trump wrote on Truth Social.
Fiction rivaled only by similar investment commitments claimed to come from the Middle East, Japan, and the EU. I believe Trump tosses out these claims for soundbites, then convinces himself they're true. It's hyperbole bingo on steroids! It distracts his supporters from the higher taxes he's imposed on their purchases and from the Epstein files. It's all ego-driven posturing from him—claiming to be the "best negotiator ever," and so on. The thing is, no serious person seems to take these claims seriously; they're more like entertainment.
Sure, I print hard copies all the time, if I need them. From electronic files, stored on a computer. The idea that John Durham's report is just now coming to light, as if the classified appendix had somehow become lost, is absurd. The idea that reams of incriminating information were stored in burn bags, in a secret room in FBI Headquarters, and that these were the only copies in existence is absurd. I don't buy it. We'll see.
"and that these were the only copies in existence is absurd."
I haven't seen any report that they were the only copies in existence. In particular, I haven't seen any report that the Durham annex was on paper only. That would be absurd, but I don't believe it's true.
Having pondered a subset of the available evidence, I believe it is more likely than not that the Apollo Moon Landings were fake. No one went to the Moon. A major factor in that assessment is the Apollo 11 press conference. Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history. But there is another issue - the Van Allen radiation belts. There is excellent reason to believe that passing through the Van Allen radiation belts, as would be necessary to get to the Moon, would be fatal, either immediately or in the very near term, to any Earthly organism. Yet NASA is claiming that they are going to send humans "back" to the Moon. Are they really ready to kill people to maintain the hoax?
To ask the question is to answer it. Of course they are. The problem is, it's one thing to burn up a few schoolteachers in re-entry. "It was an accident!" But if everyone who goes "back" to the Moon dies shortly thereafter of radiation poisoning ...
I haven't seen any report that they were the only copies in existence. In particular, I haven't seen any report that the Durham annex was on paper only. That would be absurd, but I don't believe it's true.
@Original Mike, really? Consider the possibility that thanks to degaussing tapes and wiping disk drives the last remaining copy is a hard copy that someone dropped in a burn bag and forgot all about. The last time I did work on a classified project was for the FBI, and I saw a lot of things inside the J Edgar Hoover building that were crazier than that.
Trump boasts almost daily about all that he has accomplished as President through executive orders. What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President. Everything.
I understand that people not only dislike Trump, but loath him. I see this in media coverage, slanting even today with economic wins. I've seen it this with relatives. I've seen this with friends. But despite personal qualities, hasn't anyone been working for a CEO who they ate not fond if, but he gets the job done, makes a profit, which helps not only those on the board, but also those that are employees?
Immanuel Rant said... Ok, that post was worthless. Has anyone put any of the newest FBI records locate in the Russia-Russia-Russia thing out into the public?
All the latest stuff was written in 2020 by Trump's House Intelligence Committee, then read aloud by Russia's own Tulsi Gabbard, who Trump put in charge of Intelligence.
Not so strangely, none of Trump's Senate Intelligence Reports from 2017 & 2018 agreed with Kash Patel and Kevin Nunez writings published after 2018. Also, no FBI and CIA data from back in the Mueller days agrees with these twisted House documents.
And Tulsi never read a word about Don Jr acknowledging a meeting with Russia in Trump Tower, neither are the confessions of Papadopoulos, Manafort, and Flynn or Manafort employing Russian spy Kilimnik, all of who worked in Trump's 2016 campaign. And then Trump famously said: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Clinton] emails that are missing." And suddenly the emails appeared.
Yes, lone juicer @11:09pm… if the Republicans don’t get off their asses and codify the policies while they have the Senate majority, if a Democrat is ever elected POTUS again, that shitbird can - and will - return the US to the chaotic, soul-sucking, impoverishing policies and conditions it was in during Biden’s 2021 - 2024 Reign of Error.
"But there is another issue - the Van Allen radiation belts. There is excellent reason to believe that passing through the Van Allen radiation belts, as would be necessary to get to the Moon, would be fatal, either immediately or in the very near term, to any Earthly organism." ************
Only a solid-gold electrostatic FUCKWIT would believe this, and only an extremely lazy person not consult internet resources to learn the truth.
"The belts endanger satellites, which must have their sensitive components protected with adequate shielding if they spend significant time near that zone. BUT Apollo astronauts going through the Van Allen belts received a very low and harmless dose of radiation.[5][6]" ---wikipedia.
per AI:
"Speed is key - Spacecraft transit through the belts very quickly, typically in under an hour. The radiation exposure is cumulative, so the brief passage time keeps doses manageable.
Spacecraft shielding provides significant protection. The hull, equipment, and even the atmosphere inside the spacecraft all act as radiation shielding. "Manned spacecraft have way more protection than that"
Can we survive Van Allen belt radiation? - "Because we know where they are, we know when we're going to fly through them, we can do that quickly and we know we can protect against them through material shielding and by keeping astronauts inside the spacecraft."
Trajectory optimization can minimize time in the most dangerous regions, though complete avoidance isn't necessary or practical for lunar missions.
The Apollo astronauts were actually the first humans to pass through the Van Allen belts, starting with Apollo 8 in 1968. Their radiation exposure was well within acceptable limits. Interestingly, "galactic cosmic rays represent a greater risk"
"And then Trump famously said: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Clinton] emails that are missing." And suddenly the emails appeared.
March 2016: WikiLeaks published over 30,000 Clinton emails
Trump's request came much later:
Per AI:
"The bulk of Clinton's emails had already surfaced through FBI investigations and other means well before Trump made his July 2016 comment.
Trump was referring to the approximately 33,000 emails that Clinton's team had deleted as "personal" - these were never recovered in their original form."
DERP (and the rest of your imbecilic comment is pure bullshit. When did Trump in 2020 finger Obama as leading the Russia Russia Russai bullshit.? Why would Trump have to acknowledge that a Russian women visited Trump Tower? Did he have an obligation to lock out all Russians?)
Regarding the sudden reappearance of "missing documents," DC and political power centers have long been Machiavellian in nature.
From the founding of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover and company were always slippery snakes and backstabbers. The true Deep State is entirely composed of predatory psychopaths. They literally have no fear and are willing to destroy anyone who gets in their way. Think of how a cat toys with a mouse. Think of spiders.
While many Deep Staters saw an opportunity to advance as Hillary Clinton apple polishers circa 2016 (e.g., James Comey), they were also hedging their bets and covering their butts. If playing roulette, they bet on red and black as they blocked 0 and 00 from ever happening. They absolutely kept copies of all records, even if they burned one copy to calm the anxious non-psychopathic establishment.
The spies in the Deep State (FBI, CIA, etc.) actively recruit double agents. These folks continue to be themselves for the rest of their lives. See the anti-USA games played by the FBI "superstar" and Russian double agent Robert Hanssen.
I have people on the inside (erm, SpaceX and SpaceX-adjacent) working on the upcoming moon missions. Yeah, its real. As for Apollo, I knew people who were on the inside, and more in the contractors - later worked for defense-related stuff, when I was in my merchant of death consultant phase. It was real. Aerojet/Rocketdyne was one of my clients, among others.
Spoiler alert: I finally watched that Jeanne Dielman movie and I'm glad I did. But I kind of screwed the pooch, though, somehow getting it into my head beforehand that it was six hours long, which it isn't. Watching it in batches over three days, it ended on me quite unexpectedly, which left me pondering, which made sense, which was weird.
Jupiter: "Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history."
Maybe not to us. But at the time: they were combat and test pilots, trained and conditioned to be almost flatline calm under stress. They were engineers, probably somewhere on the spectrum. They were middle-class Anglo men, conditioned to be strong, silent types. They were military officers with long careers, trained and conditioned to avoid displays of emotion. They were survivors of the Depression and WW2, never really sure if any good developments were going to last.
"Go to this room and physically destroy all the stuff in those bags" seems like the kind of shit job that always gets put at the bottom of the priority list.
Chemtrails "experiment"? No Thanks. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/27/california-sunlight-dimming-experiment-collapse-00476983?experience_id=EXYF89KVT5UQ
Effinayright said… “[when going into space] galactic cosmic rays represent a greater risk”
True. Just to build on that point, the best possible outcome to cosmic ray exposure is that the astronauts turn into Mr Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, the Human Torch, and the Thing.
Jeff Childers (Attny in Gainesville, Fl) has one of the must reads Substack columns titled "Coffee and COVID". It's in my top tier icon clicks right next to Althouse and Matt Tiabbi. Essential.
john mosby said... Jupiter: "Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history."
Maybe not to us. But at the time: they were combat and test pilots, trained and conditioned to be almost flatline calm under stress. They were engineers, probably somewhere on the spectrum. They were middle-class Anglo men, conditioned to be strong, silent types. They were military officers with long careers, trained and conditioned to avoid displays of emotion. They were survivors of the Depression and WW2, never really sure if any good developments were going to last.
The past sometimes really is another country.
I agree with your overall point, but Michael Collins sounds like a very Irish name to me.
It should be stranger than it is to see seemingly reasonable people insist that something can't be true because in the world of their imagination, in the scenario they invented with zero first-hand knowledge, it wouldn't be true.
Mexifornia opened my eyes to the wide world of "remittances". But $63 billion? https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/07/30/tough-love-for-mexicos-president-meddling-in-us-politics/ VDH scores!
What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President. Everything.
No matter how beneficial to the country. You're absolutely right.
But what makes you think he doesn't understand it? Does it not occur to you that he's highlighting these policies so that people can pay attention to their results, whereupon they can either put pressure on their Congressional representatives to pass legislation making them more durable or not vote for Democrats who "can and will" undo everything he does, just because it's (a) Trump and (b) Republican?
Obviously the voyage to the moon was real. If NASA had successfully faked a moon landing they would have faked something else even more spectacular rather than descending into decades of blandness and decay.
Burn Bags. As a US Navy radioman in a shipboard communications center, one of my morning chores was to haul burn bags aft to the incinerator. And to burn them. The punched paper teletype tape was impregnated with oil, so it burned like blazes. This was in a cold, damp climate, to deck hands would come in and warm themselves by the fire.
@Jamie, no, it does not occur any lefties that Trump thinks things through. It absolutely does not occur to lefty loonies like lonejustice that Trump is, in fact, vastly more intelligent than they are. It especially does not seem to occur to Ivy-educated economists that Trump understands macroeconomics better than they do.
The best safeguard against the doom predicted by lonejustice would be not to elect any Democrats to the Presidency until after JD Vance and Marco Rubio have had two terms apiece.
As noted up-thread, pet moon-landing-denier and indeed flat-earther so-called “arguments”—such as the supposedly insurmountable death-barrier of the Van Allen radiation belts—instantly fall apart when examined at all closely.
But way beyond that, the moon landing video footage, much of it, could not have been faked in any studio (or even in the field) on earth—because film of the astronauts cavorting around on foot or in their lunar dirt-buggy produces unearthly effects.
Every step the astronauts took, or spin of the wheels in the vehicle, kicked up lunar dust; which then—unlike earthly dust, which typically suspends (in part) in the atmosphere (till rained out)—each particle of which (millions) follows individual (vacuum-enabled, 1/6-g multiplied) ballistic trajectories basically impossible to duplicate on earth.
To do so would require that entire, large movie studio(s) be encased in steel-walled vacuum then tossed whole (in e.g. a “vomit comet” aircraft) following along a 1/6-g trajectory, during extended film sessions (far longer than the typical V-C's 20-seconds of freefall—plus the “aircraft” is subject to air turbulence while doing so). In other words: it couldn't be done on earth.
Nor could manual animation (dust particle by dust particle), all that was available then, accomplish the job. Nowadays we could computer animate it; but that technology was utterly rudimentary in the 1960's and 70's (indeed, really until the 2000's).
So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.
Mike Dinn, of Canberra, Australia, wrote in to say:
Yours is the first I've seen which mentions that telemetry would have to have been faked in some complicated way, or alternatively radio telescopes would have picked up no signal, or one coming from earth orbit (somehow). But there is an even stronger and more pertinent argument involving "telemetry". There was a world-wide tracking network providing communications to and from the various Apollo mission elements and although the people involved in doing this were indirectly paid by the project, they were not all US government employees or even citizens. So they would have had to have been part of the conspiracy or taken in by it.
And as I was the Australian citizen employed by the Australian government responsible for running the operations at the prime Australian tracking site here near Canberra I can vouch for the scientific/engineering fact that we pointed our antenna at the trajectory to, at and from the moon and transmitted and received radio signals containing commands, telemetry, television together with navigation info from antenna angles, Doppler frequencies and two way range delays. Impossible to fake.
Michael McNeil:So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.
You've heard that joke, haven't you? Stanley Kubrick made the moon landing films for NASA, but he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on-location.
Michael McNeil said… “So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.”
Sean’s responded… “You've heard that joke, haven't you? Stanley Kubrick made the moon landing films for NASA, but he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on-location.”
And then the Finns used the leftover Kubrick sets and the abandoned Nazi moon base to film Iron Sky.
For those interested in hearing the tariff oral arguments in the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, they will be streamed. Federal appeals judges are considering the legality of the president’s moves to impose levies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHI5FH05EDA
flooding the zone ONSLAUGHT with EPSTEIN/MAXWELL/TRUMP saga will have to have a sacrifice in another week or so if It dont get better(aint likely) Of course the blonde nitwit and sycophant Bondi wil have to go to the altar. Trump is in play because of her "files on the table' statement and then they werent. MAGA meat eaters need MEAT...she is the one..
What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President.
Yeah. I'm sure the thought's never crossed his mind. So he might as well not do anything, right?
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Ok, that post was worthless. Has anyone put any of the newest FBI records locate in the Russia-Russia-Russia thing out into the public?
If the Mueller Special Counsel investigation were a movie, the whole story could have a big twist. The supposedly non-partisan committee was tasked to find any wrongdoing associated with the topic. There was plenty of wrong doing found, but unexpectedly, by different bad actors.
Yeah but who is buying any of this phony 'Al Capone's Vault' crap? Classified documents stuffed into dusty burn bags in secret rooms, huh? Suuurre they did. And they're almost 10 years old, waaay before anybody kept stuff electronically, on classified servers. John Durham's report, the classified appendix section? It was classified, not misplaced, not hidden. Shaking my head at this farce.
Looking forward to STINKY's take on this one, but only so I can skip over it.
Immanuel Rant said...
Ok, that post was worthless. Has anyone put any of the newest FBI records locate in the Russia-Russia-Russia thing out into the public?
They are doing interviews first. Once the indictments are prepared and beginning to be delivered the docs will come out.
They were planning to frame Trump before the Steele Dossier was built.
That means they actively sought out a Russian spy to work with as part of the plan.
People will hang.
…people should hang…
Yeah but who is buying any of this phony 'Al Capone's Vault' crap?
@Aggie, me. I worked in the Pentagon, in DIA, during the Vietnam War, and I worked in the Intel community as a civilian for many years thereafter. I find this scenario to be perfectly plausible.
They were planning to frame Trump before the Steele Dossier was built.
@Achilles, seems like it.
People will hang.
Don't count on it.
@Big Mike, OK - but in the early 1970s everything was on paper, carbon copies and all. In 2016, not so much.
Q: What do you call the sweat between two Massachusetts lefties having sex?
A: Relative Humidity
The American Spectator wants to know:
What on Earth Is Going on at the University of Wisconsin’s Medical School?
https://spectator.org/what-on-earth-is-going-on-at-the-university-of-wisconsins-medical-school/
It's sort of what you'd expect -- not like they'd cured cancer or created life in a test tube.
Aggie: "in the early 1970s everything was on paper, carbon copies and all. In 2016, not so much."
You'd be surprised. In fedgov, sometimes paper copies are still required by regulations that no one ever bothered to change. Then there is also the Boss Principle: you give the boss the info in the format she wants. A lot of executives are tech-shy and still want paper. It also may be easier to print out classified stuff, put it under a cover sheet, and physically move it around a building, versus trying to give someone electronic access to it.
And finally, there's the insurance-policy principle: print the stuff and lock it up in case someone scrubs it from the network.
RR
JSM
Donald Trump announces 15% tariff on South Korean goods ~ FT
'The president said the trade deal would include hundreds of billions of dollars in US investment'
This part seems like the same delusion he had with the Japan deal. ↓
“give to the United States $350 Billion Dollars for Investments owned and controlled by the United States, and selected by myself, as President”, Trump wrote on Truth Social.
Fiction rivaled only by similar investment commitments claimed to come from the Middle East, Japan, and the EU. I believe Trump tosses out these claims for soundbites, then convinces himself they're true. It's hyperbole bingo on steroids! It distracts his supporters from the higher taxes he's imposed on their purchases and from the Epstein files. It's all ego-driven posturing from him—claiming to be the "best negotiator ever," and so on. The thing is, no serious person seems to take these claims seriously; they're more like entertainment.
Sure, I print hard copies all the time, if I need them. From electronic files, stored on a computer. The idea that John Durham's report is just now coming to light, as if the classified appendix had somehow become lost, is absurd. The idea that reams of incriminating information were stored in burn bags, in a secret room in FBI Headquarters, and that these were the only copies in existence is absurd. I don't buy it. We'll see.
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"and that these were the only copies in existence is absurd."
I haven't seen any report that they were the only copies in existence. In particular, I haven't seen any report that the Durham annex was on paper only. That would be absurd, but I don't believe it's true.
Having pondered a subset of the available evidence, I believe it is more likely than not that the Apollo Moon Landings were fake. No one went to the Moon. A major factor in that assessment is the Apollo 11 press conference. Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history.
But there is another issue - the Van Allen radiation belts. There is excellent reason to believe that passing through the Van Allen radiation belts, as would be necessary to get to the Moon, would be fatal, either immediately or in the very near term, to any Earthly organism. Yet NASA is claiming that they are going to send humans "back" to the Moon. Are they really ready to kill people to maintain the hoax?
To ask the question is to answer it. Of course they are. The problem is, it's one thing to burn up a few schoolteachers in re-entry. "It was an accident!" But if everyone who goes "back" to the Moon dies shortly thereafter of radiation poisoning ...
🙄
Our cab driver in Sydney thought the moon landings were faked. I didn't think these people really existed.
Still trying to decide if it is a Poe. . . .
Modern day is so ridiculous, it is getting hard to tell.
I haven't seen any report that they were the only copies in existence. In particular, I haven't seen any report that the Durham annex was on paper only. That would be absurd, but I don't believe it's true.
@Original Mike, really? Consider the possibility that thanks to degaussing tapes and wiping disk drives the last remaining copy is a hard copy that someone dropped in a burn bag and forgot all about. The last time I did work on a classified project was for the FBI, and I saw a lot of things inside the J Edgar Hoover building that were crazier than that.
I haven't seen any report that the Durham annex is missing. If you have, a link would be great.
Trump boasts almost daily about all that he has accomplished as President through executive orders. What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President. Everything.
I understand that people not only dislike Trump, but loath him. I see this in media coverage, slanting even today with economic wins. I've seen it this with relatives. I've seen this with friends. But despite personal qualities, hasn't anyone been working for a CEO who they ate not fond if, but he gets the job done, makes a profit, which helps not only those on the board, but also those that are employees?
Immanuel Rant said...
Ok, that post was worthless. Has anyone put any of the newest FBI records locate in the Russia-Russia-Russia thing out into the public?
All the latest stuff was written in 2020 by Trump's House Intelligence Committee, then read aloud by Russia's own Tulsi Gabbard, who Trump put in charge of Intelligence.
Not so strangely, none of Trump's Senate Intelligence Reports from 2017 & 2018 agreed with Kash Patel and Kevin Nunez writings published after 2018. Also, no FBI and CIA data from back in the Mueller days agrees with these twisted House documents.
And Tulsi never read a word about Don Jr acknowledging a meeting with Russia in Trump Tower, neither are the confessions of Papadopoulos, Manafort, and Flynn or Manafort employing Russian spy Kilimnik, all of who worked in Trump's 2016 campaign. And then Trump famously said: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Clinton] emails that are missing." And suddenly the emails appeared.
Hey how do you delete a post? Mine had too many typos and plus, Ugh. Thanks.
IIRC, there's a trash can icon to delete a post. I no longer get the icon. I can't delete posts anymore (used to be able to).
Yes, lone juicer @11:09pm… if the Republicans don’t get off their asses and codify the policies while they have the Senate majority, if a Democrat is ever elected POTUS again, that shitbird can - and will - return the US to the chaotic, soul-sucking, impoverishing policies and conditions it was in during Biden’s 2021 - 2024 Reign of Error.
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Uranus said:
"But there is another issue - the Van Allen radiation belts. There is excellent reason to believe that passing through the Van Allen radiation belts, as would be necessary to get to the Moon, would be fatal, either immediately or in the very near term, to any Earthly organism."
************
Only a solid-gold electrostatic FUCKWIT would believe this, and only an extremely lazy person not consult internet resources to learn the truth.
"The belts endanger satellites, which must have their sensitive components protected with adequate shielding if they spend significant time near that zone. BUT Apollo astronauts going through the Van Allen belts received a very low and harmless dose of radiation.[5][6]" ---wikipedia.
per AI:
"Speed is key - Spacecraft transit through the belts very quickly, typically in under an hour. The radiation exposure is cumulative, so the brief passage time keeps doses manageable.
Spacecraft shielding provides significant protection. The hull, equipment, and even the atmosphere inside the spacecraft all act as radiation shielding. "Manned spacecraft have way more protection than that"
Can we survive Van Allen belt radiation? - "Because we know where they are, we know when we're going to fly through them, we can do that quickly and we know we can protect against them through material shielding and by keeping astronauts inside the spacecraft."
Trajectory optimization can minimize time in the most dangerous regions, though complete avoidance isn't necessary or practical for lunar missions.
The Apollo astronauts were actually the first humans to pass through the Van Allen belts, starting with Apollo 8 in 1968. Their radiation exposure was well within acceptable limits. Interestingly, "galactic cosmic rays represent a greater risk"
DERP
CBS is in trouble again. They did reporting on the Epstein video on the night he supposedly committed suicide, reporting some significant details.
1. The video was no unaltered raw footage.
2. The entire length of the video was 10 hours and 52 minutes long when it should have been 11 hours long.
3. An orange blob, which could have been a prisoner, was detected moving up the second level stairs that led to Epstein's cell.
gadfly belched:
"And then Trump famously said: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Clinton] emails that are missing." And suddenly the emails appeared.
March 2016: WikiLeaks published over 30,000 Clinton emails
Trump's request came much later:
Per AI:
"The bulk of Clinton's emails had already surfaced through FBI investigations and other means well before Trump made his July 2016 comment.
Trump was referring to the approximately 33,000 emails that Clinton's team had deleted as "personal" - these were never recovered in their original form."
DERP
(and the rest of your imbecilic comment is pure bullshit. When did Trump in 2020 finger Obama as leading the Russia Russia Russai bullshit.? Why would Trump have to acknowledge that a Russian women visited Trump Tower? Did he have an obligation to lock out all Russians?)
I see that Mark "Leroy Jethro Gibbs" Harmon is playing Jamie Lee Curtis' husband in the "Freakier Friday" movie.
Regarding the sudden reappearance of "missing documents," DC and political power centers have long been Machiavellian in nature.
From the founding of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover and company were always slippery snakes and backstabbers. The true Deep State is entirely composed of predatory psychopaths. They literally have no fear and are willing to destroy anyone who gets in their way. Think of how a cat toys with a mouse. Think of spiders.
While many Deep Staters saw an opportunity to advance as Hillary Clinton apple polishers circa 2016 (e.g., James Comey), they were also hedging their bets and covering their butts. If playing roulette, they bet on red and black as they blocked 0 and 00 from ever happening. They absolutely kept copies of all records, even if they burned one copy to calm the anxious non-psychopathic establishment.
The spies in the Deep State (FBI, CIA, etc.) actively recruit double agents. These folks continue to be themselves for the rest of their lives. See the anti-USA games played by the FBI "superstar" and Russian double agent Robert Hanssen.
I have people on the inside (erm, SpaceX and SpaceX-adjacent) working on the upcoming moon missions. Yeah, its real.
As for Apollo, I knew people who were on the inside, and more in the contractors - later worked for defense-related stuff, when I was in my merchant of death consultant phase. It was real. Aerojet/Rocketdyne was one of my clients, among others.
Spoiler alert: I finally watched that Jeanne Dielman movie and I'm glad I did. But I kind of screwed the pooch, though, somehow getting it into my head beforehand that it was six hours long, which it isn't. Watching it in batches over three days, it ended on me quite unexpectedly, which left me pondering, which made sense, which was weird.
Jupiter: "Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history."
Maybe not to us. But at the time: they were combat and test pilots, trained and conditioned to be almost flatline calm under stress. They were engineers, probably somewhere on the spectrum. They were middle-class Anglo men, conditioned to be strong, silent types. They were military officers with long careers, trained and conditioned to avoid displays of emotion. They were survivors of the Depression and WW2, never really sure if any good developments were going to last.
The past sometimes really is another country.
RR
JSM
"Go to this room and physically destroy all the stuff in those bags" seems like the kind of shit job that always gets put at the bottom of the priority list.
Chemtrails "experiment"? No Thanks.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/27/california-sunlight-dimming-experiment-collapse-00476983?experience_id=EXYF89KVT5UQ
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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/butterflies-wednesday-july-30-2025
Effinayright said…
“[when going into space] galactic cosmic rays represent a greater risk”
True. Just to build on that point, the best possible outcome to cosmic ray exposure is that the astronauts turn into Mr Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, the Human Torch, and the Thing.
Jeff Childers (Attny in Gainesville, Fl) has one of the must reads Substack columns titled "Coffee and COVID". It's in my top tier icon clicks right next to Althouse and Matt Tiabbi. Essential.
john mosby said...
Jupiter: "Those guys do not look like men who have just secured their place in history."
Maybe not to us. But at the time: they were combat and test pilots, trained and conditioned to be almost flatline calm under stress. They were engineers, probably somewhere on the spectrum. They were middle-class Anglo men, conditioned to be strong, silent types. They were military officers with long careers, trained and conditioned to avoid displays of emotion. They were survivors of the Depression and WW2, never really sure if any good developments were going to last.
The past sometimes really is another country.
I agree with your overall point, but Michael Collins sounds like a very Irish name to me.
It should be stranger than it is to see seemingly reasonable people insist that something can't be true because in the world of their imagination, in the scenario they invented with zero first-hand knowledge, it wouldn't be true.
Dammit. "...with [no] first-hand knowledge,..."
Mexifornia opened my eyes to the wide world of "remittances".
But $63 billion?
https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/07/30/tough-love-for-mexicos-president-meddling-in-us-politics/
VDH scores!
What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President. Everything.
No matter how beneficial to the country. You're absolutely right.
But what makes you think he doesn't understand it? Does it not occur to you that he's highlighting these policies so that people can pay attention to their results, whereupon they can either put pressure on their Congressional representatives to pass legislation making them more durable or not vote for Democrats who "can and will" undo everything he does, just because it's (a) Trump and (b) Republican?
Obviously the voyage to the moon was real. If NASA had successfully faked a moon landing they would have faked something else even more spectacular rather than descending into decades of blandness and decay.
Burn Bags. As a US Navy radioman in a shipboard communications center, one of my morning chores was to haul burn bags aft to the incinerator. And to burn them. The punched paper teletype tape was impregnated with oil, so it burned like blazes. This was in a cold, damp climate, to deck hands would come in and warm themselves by the fire.
Does it not occur to you …
@Jamie, no, it does not occur any lefties that Trump thinks things through. It absolutely does not occur to lefty loonies like lonejustice that Trump is, in fact, vastly more intelligent than they are. It especially does not seem to occur to Ivy-educated economists that Trump understands macroeconomics better than they do.
The best safeguard against the doom predicted by lonejustice would be not to elect any Democrats to the Presidency until after JD Vance and Marco Rubio have had two terms apiece.
Rocco: "I agree with your overall point, but Michael Collins sounds like a very Irish name to me."
Ha! The Kennedys must have laughed their asses off, wherever they were.
RR
JSM
Jupiter. You're really gonna hate this. Fire really does melt steel.
As noted up-thread, pet moon-landing-denier and indeed flat-earther so-called “arguments”—such as the supposedly insurmountable death-barrier of the Van Allen radiation belts—instantly fall apart when examined at all closely.
But way beyond that, the moon landing video footage, much of it, could not have been faked in any studio (or even in the field) on earth—because film of the astronauts cavorting around on foot or in their lunar dirt-buggy produces unearthly effects.
Every step the astronauts took, or spin of the wheels in the vehicle, kicked up lunar dust; which then—unlike earthly dust, which typically suspends (in part) in the atmosphere (till rained out)—each particle of which (millions) follows individual (vacuum-enabled, 1/6-g multiplied) ballistic trajectories basically impossible to duplicate on earth.
To do so would require that entire, large movie studio(s) be encased in steel-walled vacuum then tossed whole (in e.g. a “vomit comet” aircraft) following along a 1/6-g trajectory, during extended film sessions (far longer than the typical V-C's 20-seconds of freefall—plus the “aircraft” is subject to air turbulence while doing so). In other words: it couldn't be done on earth.
Nor could manual animation (dust particle by dust particle), all that was available then, accomplish the job. Nowadays we could computer animate it; but that technology was utterly rudimentary in the 1960's and 70's (indeed, really until the 2000's).
So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.
Re: Fake moon landing, from Conspiracy Theory: Did We Go to the Moon?
https://www.stevedutch.net/pseudosc/conspiracytheorydidwegotothemoon.htm
Mike Dinn, of Canberra, Australia, wrote in to say:
Yours is the first I've seen which mentions that telemetry would have to have been faked in some complicated way, or alternatively radio telescopes would have picked up no signal, or one coming from earth orbit (somehow).
But there is an even stronger and more pertinent argument involving "telemetry". There was a world-wide tracking network providing communications to and from the various Apollo mission elements and although the people involved in doing this were indirectly paid by the project, they were not all US government employees or even citizens. So they would have had to have been part of the conspiracy or taken in by it.
And as I was the Australian citizen employed by the Australian government responsible for running the operations at the prime Australian tracking site here near Canberra I can vouch for the scientific/engineering fact that we pointed our antenna at the trajectory to, at and from the moon and transmitted and received radio signals containing commands, telemetry, television together with navigation info from antenna angles, Doppler frequencies and two way range delays. Impossible to fake.
Michael McNeil: So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.
You've heard that joke, haven't you? Stanley Kubrick made the moon landing films for NASA, but he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on-location.
Michael McNeil said…
“So, no, it wasn't a fake—unless, that is, the “studio” were located on the lunar surface.”
Sean’s responded…
“You've heard that joke, haven't you? Stanley Kubrick made the moon landing films for NASA, but he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on-location.”
And then the Finns used the leftover Kubrick sets and the abandoned Nazi moon base to film Iron Sky.
I've never believed that there is really such a place as Arizona. Any images purporting to be from Arizona were actually taken on the moon.
For those interested in hearing the tariff oral arguments in the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, they will be streamed. Federal appeals judges are considering the legality of the president’s moves to impose levies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHI5FH05EDA
The classified annex to John Durham's report has been declassified and may be found here .
flooding the zone ONSLAUGHT with EPSTEIN/MAXWELL/TRUMP saga will have to have a sacrifice in another week or so if It dont get better(aint likely) Of course the blonde nitwit and sycophant Bondi wil have to go to the altar. Trump is in play because of her "files on the table' statement and then they werent. MAGA meat eaters need MEAT...she is the one..
I believe it is more likely than not that the Apollo Moon Landings were fake. No one went to the Moon.
I would just love to introduce you to Buzz Aldrin.
What he doesn't seem to understand is that everything that he does through executive orders, rather than through legislation, can and will be undone by the next Democrat President.
Yeah. I'm sure the thought's never crossed his mind. So he might as well not do anything, right?
kakscheisser®!
Narr said...
“I've never believed that there is really such a place as Arizona. Any images purporting to be from Arizona were actually taken on the moon.”
What gave it away? The gigantic meteor crater?
"I would just love to introduce you to Buzz Aldrin."
LOL
Not the crater(s)--the little green men.
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