"... according to a stunning new poll released Monday. In its hypothetical initial round of voting, Cuomo’s lead shrinks to 3 percentage points, with 35% of likely Democratic voters supporting him compared to 32% for Mamdani and 13% for city Comptroller Brad Lander, the Emerson College Polling/Pix 11/The Hill survey found.... [S]ince no one garners the more than 50% of the vote needed to win outright, the ranked choice system kicks in. That means that even if a voter’s first choice is eliminated in successive rounds of calculations, their other picks could still be in the mix and emerge as the eventual overall winner. Mamdani finally surpasses Cuomo in the eighth round [!!!!!] of the simulated ranked choice voting — 51.8% to 48.2% — in the latest poll conducted June 18-20...."
I'm reading "Shocking poll shows Mamdani overtaking Cuomo in NYC’s ranked choice primary" (NY Post).
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NYC deserves Mamdani
Ranked choice voting is idiotic. The Libs can’t accept a zero- sum contest.
Ranked choice voting has no redeeming features ... other than gaming the system so that the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ..., place candidate has an outsized chance of winning. What a farce.
If you ever needed any confirmation of just how nuts the left is...
LOL coming intra-party civil war is going to be LIT!
EVERYONE should be voting for Mamdani! he's a genius!
elect him, and:
bus and subways are free!
groceries are free!
rent is FREE!
nightclubing and dancing are FREE!
there will be NO TAXES!
and ALL THIS will be paid,
by simply making the rich Pay Their Fair Share!
genius!
Ranked choice purports to be simply a simultaneous run-off that saves time and money, but it does so by giving fringe voters multiple votes while limiting mainstream voters to 1.
They get what they deserve.
oh! and Mamdani will eliminate ALL crime (reporting)
Such a sad state of affairs in New York that Andrew "Granny-Killer" Cuomo is the safe sane choice. It's hard to believe that not so long ago, these people were living in a well-run city because they elected Giuliani and Bloomberg.
At this point, I don't care about NYC since the people who live there seem to like to live in that dump. They deserve what they vote for.
Ranked choice is an abomination. Makes sense New York would be using it.
If you thought Bill DeBlasio was a disaster for New York, wait til you get a load of this Islamist/Socialist. This should be fun.
I thought Chicago was insane voting in a random socialist from the teachers union to run their city. Whoo-boy. New York is about to tell Chicago to "hold my pizza".
Ranked choice puts the lie to the "one man one vote" bullshit.
Yah, that’s why ranked choice voting is a scam- one the radical left whole heatedly supports. Their policies are unpopular, their candidates are unpopular but ranked choice is a way to fool some people into thinking they are. I’d like to support the idea to let NYC destroy itself but I know a bipartisan congress will keep shoveling tax dollars in their direction…
…last night I was flying on Delta which shows the local NYC network channels. They were filled with mayoral race ads for all these crazies. DeBlasio and Cuomo looked sane compared to the jihadist guy…
Temujin said... New York is about to tell Chicago to "hold my pizza".
Thank you for the chuckle.
NYC Democrat voters: Why vote for a bad mayor when we can have someone truly horrible?
The Authoritarian radical... He hates Jews- so good luck NY.
Cuomo should not be running. The democrat party is a sewer - in every direction.
"Ranked choice voting is idiotic."
However, it is a step above what Democrats have been doing.
What's that, you ask?
Well, in the most recent election, the Democrats elected a candidate to represent their party in the Presidential election.
That candidate was removed, and another failed candidate who had never won even a single primary election was put in his place.
In another example, a white male won the election to become a Vice-Chairman of the Democrat Party. He was then removed from that post. Because he's a white male.
So ranked-choice voting is a step up from what Democrats have been doing.
I fully expect that if Mamdani wins the election, Cuomo will be the next Mayor of New York.
"Ranked choice" voting is a scam at best. If no candidate hits 50% then do successive run-offs until one does. This farcical set-up is guaranteed to be gamed and jiggered. The R's need to outlaw ranked choice schemes with legislation while they still can.
So eight iterations all based on a single instance of voting. It fits the leftist model - keep counting the votes until you get the result you are looking for!
Democrats gonna Democrat. When this fails to lead to filth, crime, debt and destruction, they'll be a healthy party again.
Not gonna sit on a hot stove until then, though.
Rank choice voting is just another way for Democrats to game the system in their favor.
Gooderer and Harderer, New York
I still want to know why Zohran's name is first on the ballot.
As for ranked-choice voting, only truly suicidal voters want this. It's not even in place in Las Vegas, the home of 'where the house always wins'. But it makes sense that somehow, the ward heels in NYC have devised a way to slide it into place. Vote Zohran ! A Vote for Zohran is a vote for more cynical Marxist public corruption, now with Extra Islam !
Shocking! Stunning!
The Journalist is really trying (and failing) to get me to care.
Cuomo has such a tired old smoker’s face. But it looks like he has had some cosmetic surgery recently and lightened his hair. Good choices. But he needs to smile more and lose the tie. Mamdani is young and handsome. Lots of energy in his photos. Lately he’s appeared with his hair disheveled. Very good look for him.
Democrats need younger candidates but all young Democrat politicians are radicals.
Every time NYC lurches to the left the moderately sane city dwellers move to the suburbs of NYC and also to NJ. We have enough dumb ass lefty voters here in the Garden State, so, please NYC elect some one at least marginally sane.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
If Zohran wins he’s likely to be the 2028 Democrat Presidential nominee. If he loses, the DNC will probably go with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Both accurately represent the current direction of the Democrat party. I suppose either could be seriously challenged by AOC but why opt for imitation when the real thing is readily available.
The cities and states cant' even count regular ballots without fraud and incompetence. California takes weeks and even months to count their ballots. Iowa in 2020, never did count all the ballots for the Democrat Primary.
I wont even go into the massive fraud in 2020, 2022, and 2024. Go ask Kari Lake about Arizona.
But we can trust NYC to do "ranked voting". Some weird Rube Goldberg system of voting, that somehow in someway gives you a better result. What insanity!
"Ranked is a scam. Its another way for the D's to game the system. "
Thank you. Well said. In Alaska it resulted in a Democrat Congressman getting elected, despite being the 3rd choice and Lisa Murkey getting elected - again. That was the whole point of it. And it worked. But its just BS.
Their political posters are also interesting.
Cuomo: red white and blue
Lander and Mamdani: lots of blue and orange
Mandani’s posters usually refer to him by his first name and the lettering is 3 dimensional. Different.
The difference in approach between the R's and D's just shows their different characters.
If the D's cant win, they change the rules. They're constantly changing the election rules, and trying to committ fraud or expanding the voter rolls (they want non-citizens and 16/17 year olds to vote). And the D judges strike down requirements to show a valid ID, vote in person, or vote by election day. None of which is based on the law or the constitution.
Meanwhile the R establishment.....does nothing. They can barely rouse themselves to fight the D's when they want to gerrrymander them out of existance. And when Trump lost in 2020, they couldn't wait to surrender and agree with the DNC that "there was no vote fraud".
The difference is amazing. Any martian would conclude the Republican establishment is a "fifth column" planted by the Democrats to help them win.
Concur with many above that rank choice voting should be outlawed. However, I'm even more surprised by how far it goes. I can understand wanting to avoid the time and cost of a run-off election. But that is just one more election. 8 rounds?
Look, if you really want this, how about everyone votes ranked choices. If nobody gets to 50% initially, add in second choice votes. If still nobody gets to 50%, take top 2 to run-off. It still is a gamed system and I can see people wanting the top 3, or perhaps all those getting 30% or higher going to run-off. However, 8 freaking rounds? That's not serious.
I'm picturing a future ranked choice election where the entire citizenry is sitting in front of their one-armed bandits (maybe they're in Teslas), but instead of money, they're voting, and pulling the lever, and seeing what the results are, and then pulling the lever again and again until a winner occurs, and chips flow.
the simulated ranked choice voting
A lot of room here to manipulate the simulated data to get the desired "shocking" results.
All across the land - your choices will be crap leftist - or really crappy supper dooper sized crap leftist.
You will exchange your crap leftist for someone worse. It's the Chicago way.
Watching a city figuratively commit Seppuku in not so slow motion.
Kathy Hoechel(D) wants all NY tax payers to pony up to pay for Crook Joe's massive illegal immigrants. Including - probably a few sleeper cells.
Pay up - New Yorkers... New York demands more house seats, more grift for their glorious One party state.
All across the land - your choices will be crap leftist - or really crappy supper dooper sized crap leftist.
I don't understand why you all hate ranked choice so much. In an run of the mill primary, you typically have to get a majority of the vote (50% +1) to avoid a run-off, so in effect that is a two-tier ranked choice. NYC's ranked choice is for the Democratic primary only.
This is the second time NYC has had a ranked choice race for Mayor. Eric Adams (who was certainly the most conservative Democratic candidate) ended up winning that contest. The Republican candidate in the final was Curtis Sliwa.
Lunatic Muzzy antisemite tops killer/harasser in NYC. Fits my pictures for an NYC showdown.
Too bad Althouse doesn't police racist, anti-Muslim rhetoric as much as slurs against African Americans. Even someone referred to Eric Adams using the n-word (or even if you called him niggardly--which certainly would be appropriate considering he instituted all kinds of unnecessary budget cuts), Althouse would be deleting the post and issuing a stern warning to the offenders.
Freder, Althouse does not delete posts because they contain the "n-word". Althouse has asked us not to use it, and we respect her feelings. It's her blog, after all.
NYC will be getting its own Brandon Johnson.
Jupiter said...
Althouse does not delete posts
yes, yes she does
https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/zohran-mamdani-wants-to-spend-65m-on-trans-medical-treatment-including-for-minors-if-elected-nyc-mayor/
"Mamdani also vowed to go after private medical institutions that continue to deny trans youth care, stating he would work with state Attorney General Letitia James and local district attorneys in the five boroughs to “investigate and hold public hearings on hospitals that deny trans youth their rightful healthcare "
Freder, Althouse does not delete posts because they contain the "n-word".
Yes she does, and she also had a post on the word "niggardly" once and decided that was also inappropriate even though the etymology is completely unrelated to the n-word. (I guess homonyms are also bad).
Recently she has started deleting posts with the "r-word" in them, which I objected before she banned it because it is a slur against the developmentally disabled and has been for a long time (even when I was high school back in the seventies when we still told Polish jokes. the r-word was considered inappropriate).
Does anyone think government—run grocery stores are a good idea? These are already extremely low margin businesses and are not why food costs are high.
NYC already has extortionately high taxes and a $118 billion (versus London's $19B) city budget. The fact that the city can't manage to provide services with that high of a budget does not fill me with hope that marginally higher taxes on the wealthy will usher in a socialist utopia.
The top 1% in NYC already pay 50% of city taxes and can just leave for NJ or CT or FL. This will end badly if he is elected.
New York is faced with rank choices not a ranked choice.
Teddy Roosevelt had thee Whistle Stop campaign where he gave speeches from a caboose. It worked for him. Perhaps Mamdani could campaign from the top of a cattle car.
When he loses, the NY Post: "Al-Zohran"
Scott Greer 6’2” IQ 187
@ScottMGreer
Imagine if you went to New Yorkers on September 12th, 2001 and told them that in 24 years, a Muslim communist from Africa would be elected mayor of the city.
Ranked choice voting is idiotic. The Libs can’t accept a zero- sum contest.
It's promoted by pious good-government types as a moderating influence that gets us closer to the "center", but that's not the way it seems to work in practice.
If a communist like this bastard can win ranked choice voting anywhere in America, the locality is an enemy outpost and should be expelled from the Union. Let New York form its own city-state like Singapore. All its fabled wealth is merely tribute extracted from flyover country. If they were expelled, Wall Street would instantly decamp for Miami or Dallas. Let's cut them off with nothing, and let them find out for themselves about the virtues of government food commissaries run by corrupt socialist functionaries.
A lot of room here to manipulate the simulated data to get the desired "shocking" results.
If they had to run eight iterations to get this result, it's sure to be garbage.
The whole point of ranked choice voting is to take power away from the normies and transfer it to the activists. In the case of NYC (and Portland, Oregon, where I live) the activists are overwhelmingly progressives. In other places , they might be MAGA supporters. Bah, humbug.
I'm not sure I understand the opposition to ranked choice. How is it that different from a runoff if nobody gets 50% in the first round?
"When all first choice votes are counted, if one candidate has more than 50% of votes, they win. If not, the candidate in last place is eliminated and the second choice of the people who voted for the eliminated candidate is counted.
This process continues until there are only two candidates left, upon which the candidate with the most votes wins."
I don’t understand why an anti-democratic device such as ranked choice voting isn’t met by citizens with pitchforks and torches then tarred and feathered into deserved oblivion.
LoL! Wall Street moves to Florida!
This should remove all doubt. Progressivism is stochastic communism.
I still want to know why Zohran's name is first on the ballot.
You really don't want to know because you could figure it out easily. You would rather impute some nefarious plan.
But I will tell you, so you don't have to ask again. Positions are chosen by lot. The Democratic leadership does not want Mandami, most of the prominent democrats are endorsing Cuomo.
Try and come up with a conspiracy theory that is not so easily dismissed (maybe Jewish Space Lasers caused the wildfires in California, that was a good one).
Good and hard, NYC. Good and hard.
according to a stunning new poll released Monday
IOW, it's all bullshit
It makes sense to me. Blue cities are for rich people, government workers and welfare recipients. All those groups tend to vote socialist/communist when given the chance.
@JaimeRobert asked, “I'm not sure I understand the opposition to ranked choice. How is it that different from a runoff if nobody gets 50% in the first round?” That’s a fair question. The answer is that in a two-person runoff, it’s easy to understand who the candidates are and most voters make that effort. In a ranked-choice election with 10-20 candidates, most normal voters will not expend the time and energy required to learn about all the candidates so that they can rank them. That’s especially true in local elections, less so for presidential primaries. The activists, on the other hand, the people who live and breathe politics, know everyone running and have opinions about them all. The result is that the activists vote their full ballot, ranking as many candidates as they can, while the normies list their favorite and maybe another one or two others, and leave the rest blank. The result is to transfer political power to the activists.
Who is George Santos endorsing for mayor of New York City?
I think it only right that Mamdani becomes mayor. Maybe it will end ranked choice.
So once again we discover left wingers have two motivating characteristics: economic illiteracy and greed. As such they have convinced themselves the moral function of government is giving them whatever they want of their neighbors property.
Studies have shown that people on the right understand the left's positions and arguments much better than the left understands the right's positions and arguments. There's a related phenomenon that the more the left reveals their preferences we learn that their critics were right all along. Conversely the more we learn about the right the more we recognize the left's branding was a caricature rarely applicable to anyone. At some point people will realize this and accept this reality, starting with people who have the least emotional connection and sense of self invested in left wing politics.
https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-gender-and-age-analysis-of-2024-election-results/
@JaimeRobert asked, “I'm not sure I understand the opposition to ranked choice. How is it that different from a runoff if nobody gets 50% in the first round?”
It's fundamentally the same. But those runoffs are also total crap. Which is why almost no one in the US does them.
They're the demand of an emotional child, who doesn't want to have to actually make a choice and decide. "Why do I have to vote for the most likely candidate to win who's closest to what I like!!11! I want to vote for my heartthrob!"
Well, it's because we don't like emotional children like you, and don't want your vote to matter, because your'e guaranteed to make a bad choice.
The whole "must have 50%+1" scam came about in the US because Southern Democrats wanted to be able to have multiple white candidates to chose from, but didn't want black Democrats to be able to coalesce around one candidate in the primary and push him across the finish line with 40% of the vote
The difference between RCV and a runoff is that in a runoff only the top 2 first place finishers matter.
With RCV being "more second best" is more important than being people's top choice.
The characteristics that make someone "most common 2nd choice" are different to, and IMAO inferior to, the characteristics that make someone "most common 1st choice". It's why I think RCV is even worse than runoffs
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