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"They basically are 2 countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing."
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Iran only signs on because they have nothing left to fight with. Excellent job, USA!
How in the world can Trump act like the USA is a disinterested 3rd party or somehow neutral in some way? We are Israel's bitch. Its the USA/Israel on one side, Iran is on the other.
And Trump just got through lying to everyone as a ruse, to cover the upcoming attack. Is he lying now? Or is this the truth? Who knows.
Israel wishes to destroy Iran's ability to fire missiles into Israel. That's precisely what the United States would do if say Canada was firing missiles into Detroit.
Iran wishes to destroy Israel because Allah told them to, or some crazy shit.
These things are not the same.
"That's precisely what the United States would do if say Canada was firing missiles into Detroit."
How would know that they haven't already? A few missiles into Detroit might improve the place. Why would Canada do that, when GM, and decades of Democrat leadership have already destroyed the once great and prosperous city.
Trump is employing “Taqiyya”, RCOCEAN. You’re good with that, no?
He's not wrong. Brothers and cousins and neighbors always fight the hardest.
"How in the world can Trump act like the USA is a disinterested 3rd party or somehow neutral in some way."
Especially since the United States Congress sold Israel the bullets they use.
Trump has allowed Iran to back him into a corner where the only way out is to attack Israel.
Trump was stupid to set up the situation this way. He now loses on the world stage if Iran keeps firing missiles and Israel keeps defending itself. Which is going to occur.
"Do you believe Iran is still committed to peace?"
"I do. They violated, but Israel violated it too."
As usual, President Trump finds a way to quietly slip the important part under an f-bomb. Hopefully the IDF has smug personalities like FLC advising them. I'd love to see America employ reciprocal "symbolic" strikes.
Take away their weapons.
Let the Jewish men grow up and learn to live as men, alongside other men. All this babying the "poor Jews" is going to get them killed. Men will tell you this. Women will coddle the poor boys, treat them special, pat their heads and tell them it's ok to kill children if they have to defend themselves...
Cut off Israel's weapons allowance. There needs to be a good Daddy in this scenario because the Jewish men clearly were raised without a Father in the home. Poor boys.
"A few missiles into Detroit might improve the place."
Touche!
Doesn't know what the f* they're doing is something Trump can identify with at least.
It didn't take Nostradamus to predict that this was likely to fall apart.
FormerLawClerk said...
Israel wishes to destroy Iran's ability to fire missiles into Israel.
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Israel best pull some scientists off the PagerTricks special projects and best get to building weapons plants. American demographics have changed...
Nobody except the old Jewish ladies (and those who wanna be) want Americans to be providing weapons to boys who grew up without character because they were raised by "single" moms because no man could stand to be in the home with them raising sons... even their own sons. Sad.
Accurate comment by DJT.
"Hopefully the IDF has smug personalities like FLC advising them."
I would advise Israel to defend their borders, in exactly the same way that I would advise the United States to defend hers.
If any country was firing missiles, or fentanyl, into the United States to kill Americans, I would expect an American President to destroy that country's ability to do so.
And Israel should do that also. That would be my advice to Israel. It is sound advice and if any of them are listening, I hope they take my advice.
Israel should destroy Iran's ability to fire rockets into Israel and kill its citizens. Whether Donald Trump wants them to do that or not is irrelevant.
My advice to Donald Trump is to stop worrying about what Israel does to protect its borders and start worrying about Mexico sending its missiles ... or rather its fentanyl ... into the United States to kill Americans.
It isn’t unusual for countries to continue fighting right up to the minute an announced ceasefire takes place. Usually, they’re trying to gain some last minute advantage. The armistice ending World War I was signed at 5:00 AM before it took effect at 11:00 AM on November 11, 1918. The last American to die in that war was killed at 10:59 AM. Over 300 other Americans also died that day. A similar thing happened at the end of WWII.
https://www.history.com/articles/world-war-i-armistice-last-american-death
Attempt to broker peace in the Middle East results in frustration. Film at eleven.
You and your rabid TDS will always have Tehran, Mark.
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?
Israel wants to destroy the Iranian Regime and install a Israeli puppet Government. Thats why Iran wants nukes. Israel thinks they have the right to destroy, assassinate, and kill anyone they want to.
They are an amoral, dominating, power that is out of control.
When he's right, he's right. These people are fucked in the head because they are equally wedded to their monomaniacal monotheistic God who gives them permission and justification for endless bickering and fighting just like fatherless teenage boys.
Kamala Harris' comments don't happen in a vacuum and neither do Trump's.
He’s not wrong…. Asymptotic dampening.
Well, he's not wrong.
"Its the USA/Israel on one side, Iran is on the other."
Yes. Which side are you on? I'm going with 'western democracies' over 'theocratic shitholes.'
Don’t know, don’t care, Cohen. Thank God Harris lost, despite the MSM’s kid gloves treatment, or we’d really be fucked.
Now… if monkeys flew out of…
I too recorded this clip this morning after the wife and broke out laughing at Trump's blunt statement. It's a traditional fog-of-war statement but with Trump's flair for the dramatic on live TV.
John Althouse Cohen said...
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?
6/24/25, 7:33 AM
Imagine that vapid jezebel dealing with any foreign policy crisis of the past six months! The people giving her 1.7 billion dollars would not have taken it well, that's for sure. I don't think she would have actually made the inauguration before the DNC leaked her tapes with Willie Brown.
You'd think Cohen would be a bit more grateful to President Trump for helping Israel, but I don't even expect it from the converts.
We were streaming Fox and Friends I think, and I filmed the clip with my phone after backing it up to the same point.
They don't know what the fuck they're doing!?!?!
NO SHIT! GET RIGHT OUT OF TOWN!
Hypocrisy is most powerful human emotion. Hypocrisy is an evolutionary coping mechanism for people to survive in a Universe of Quantum uncertainty, entanglement and superposition plus the wave particle duality that humans don't experience directly and have no common sense for. This s is the fundamental basis for maintaining the illusion of moral superiority.
John Althouse Cohen said... "If Kamala Harris had won..."
If Kamala had won, salty language would be the least of our worries.
Its the USA/Israel on one side, Iran is on the other.
Yes. And for some reason that drives a lot of people batty. But it's also a deficient count. The Saudis, Bahrain, Qatar, Syria, UAE, Egypt, Oman and probably some I forgot ALL condemned the Iranians for the strike on our base yesterday. China and Putin both said "that's enough." So RC, recalibrate your take in light of the fact it is the USA and the WORLD in opposition to Iran and their rogue regime's nuke program.
Sure you can fantasize about Israel "controlling Trump" but the sooner you realize he acts on his own instincts the better it will be for your future ability to understand events as they continue unfolding. Unlike democrats, we Republicans don't need anyone telling us what to think and do.
Hey, mofos, it’s TACO Tuesday!!!
Especially since the United States Congress sold Israel the bullets they use...
And the US sold Iran the F-14s they (used to) use to patrol their skies. So what?
Trump has made great strides toward peace in the ME with the Abraham Accords. The Mullahs are the thorniest bush and curiously, the one watered by Obama and "Biden".
Give me a candidate that looks like Kamala Harris and sounds like DJT, and I'll show you a winner. Is America prepared for that much winning? *grabs magic 8-ball* *shakes*
A: Maybe
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment
…a scenario do standing laches moot it isn’t worth contemplating. If a doodledog had won…
It didn't take Nostradamus to predict that this was likely to fall apart.
Such wishcasting from our local lying shitweasel!
Uhh, Mike, the opposition to Iran is strictly business. According to AI Gemini:
Approximately 20% of the world's total oil consumption is transported through the Strait of Hormuz. This makes it a critical chokepoint for global oil supplies. The strait is a narrow waterway between Iran and Oman, connecting the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea.
Approximately 80% of China's crude oil imports pass through the Strait of Hormuz, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov). This makes China heavily reliant on the Strait for its energy supply, with the Middle East being a key source of oil. In 2022, over 50% of China's total oil imports came from Gulf countries near the Strait of Hormuz, according to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
@ Howard
Billy Connolly put it succinctly: "Hypocrisy is the Vaseline of political intercourse."
JAC nobody knows or cares what "would have happened" in Bizarroworld if Walz and the weird chick had won and she magically had the ability to articulate clearly like Trump. Nobody. Isn't there enough going on for you to comment on actual events? At least choose something interesting if you're going to speculate.
Would Kamala have brought the 20-year war in the Congo to a close? Would she have brokered a peace deal with Pakistan and India like Trump?
I'm still hopeful that this deal will hold. It's beyond politics. However, you dipshits have been fighting over ideologies and conspiracy theories so long, you don't know what the fuck you were doing. This has got you people so twisted up and upside down you don't know whether or not to shit or go blind
Thanks Bob! I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of stand-up comedians. They help to save us from ourselves
“If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?”
Well, you know the answer.
they are equally wedded to their monomaniacal monotheistic God who gives them permission and justification for endless bickering and fighting
Where are these other, implied, mythical peaceful and free countries you think exist with no God? We also are a country that overwhelmingly believes in a "monotheistic God" you know.
It's another taqiyya sunrise
Mullahs prayin’ they don’t die
Say bye-bye
“Well, you know the answer.”
Yes, we’d be well-fucked…
Where is Eva Marie to shake her congratulatory pom-poms this morning? Isn’t everyone supposed to be celebrating the ceasefire…oh, never mind.
"Where are these other, implied, mythical peaceful and free countries you think exist with no God?"
I've heard more than half of Switzerland is practically agnostic, and they haven't fought (with each other) since the early 1800s.
And as far as modern life goes, that's pretty darn close.
I doubt Kamala Harris has even read about the history of the ME enough to voice that same opinion.
opposition to Iran is strictly business
No shit. I don't really care WHY they are for peace right now. Accept the win. But I'll point out that business is also the lever Trump is using successfully to hammer out deals everywhere at once, including the aforementioned Congo and Rwanda, India and Pakistan. In fact it's "so much winning" that I can't even recall the third peace deal he mentioned.
Petty ankle biters arrive.
kamala harris is an idiot. The left would be cheering her words. That's what you do.
Nothing would be better under Harris/Walz. I think Trump's decision to involve us in this war was among his most boneheaded, but the right man won, even if he's got back in bed with NeoNutzis.
btw- All sorts of leftists in power are using curse words these days.
Scandinavia
Well, you know the answer.
Damn right we do Inga! The answer is never in a million permutations of this world would Kamala have had the ability to state something so true so clearly and concisely. You are asking a version of the kobayashi maru.
Here's where we agree completely, Mike. Trump is selling to the rest of the world that there is much much more profit in peace and prosperity rather than war and devastation.
Anyone who hopes she is not successful in this endeavor is part of the problem
@John Althouse Cohen
The problem with Kamala making the same statement as Trump is that she would laugh hysterically at the end.
We would be left wondering if she overdid the booze or the anxiety meds.
Petty leftists demand Trump be perfect... all while same petty dedicated CULT democratics allow the corrupt democrat party elite left (and their puppets) any and all lies and crimes.
And like a wet fart, here’s Inga!
"Petty leftists demand Trump be perfect... all while same petty dedicated CULT democratics allow the corrupt democrat party elite left (and their puppets) any and all lies and crimes."
And there are people like DD Driver who see that petty leftists and braindead Trumpers are pretty much the same. And Liz Cheney is the glue that binds both sides together!!!
Everyone is really rallying around Liz Cheney here!
Space at 8:09 nailed it. Of course they had a tradition of strong Orthodox and Catholic churches in the 20th Century, especially the Italian speaking parts and near Belgium. But the thing that sets the Swiss apart is a very strong rule-of-law tradition, mandatory service in the army and cruel neutrality. Which means like Sweden they spent most of WW2 supplying both sides with arms.
Howard slides in with the capper at 8:13. Good work guys. And yes, I agree with your 8:15 follow up, although you may have misgendered the Trumper.
You leftist enjoy a fawning democrat party (Soviet-like) PRESS. A press who brown-noses and soft touch all the democrats in power 98% of the time.
That might get frustrating for Trump.
Reminds me of when Bill Clinton got flak for comparing the IRA and Orangemen to two drunk Irishmen brawling in a bar. Right before he brought lasting peace to the island.
Ravishing Regards,
JSM
Anyone here ever met a "braindead Trumper?" I think DDD is having hallucinations again. I can't even figure how you would know what a braindead person is thinking since they're generally in a coma on life support by then.
John Althouse Cohen said...
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?
Are you seriously pretending Harris is not a moron?
People are just willing to look stupid because of the political tribe they are in and their need to seek approval.
I am especially happy to hear Trump use the word "fuck" in regards this scenario. It is the one word that so aptly describes everything about it.
I am currently on my 12,327,893rd "fuck" said in regards to this region, so welcome aboard Donald. Prepare to say it some more kemosabe....
Right before he brought lasting peace to the island.
Excellent point. Shame the Irish gave away their country to the Karens and Mohammedans.
But it's not an island.
Inga said...
“If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?”
Well, you know the answer.
We all know that Harris would have shipped the Mullahs more cash so they could keep all the proxy wars in the middle east going forever.
Liz cheney should be brought up on charges for the Jan 6th lies. She is a liar and a criminal.
Trump is not pro-war. He wants this shit to end.
Doesn't this clip prove that?
“Noteworthy that the first overt cooperative military action against a Muslim nation by Israel and the United States has not resulted in any significant squawking. Hushed awe, if anything.
It’s almost like we’ve entered a new era in the Middle East. And the world. Mark the date.
Ironically, the Arab states by and large couldn’t be happier. Both with the Israeli/US action in Iran, and Israeli action in Gaza.
Brave new world.
Greatest action for peace in decades.
Obama got the Noble Peace Prize just for showing up.
Will Trump and Netanyahu get a nod? Unlikely.
I mean seriously, they’re Hitler, right?…”
https://instapundit.com/728153/
Howard nails it.
"Trump is selling to the rest of the world that there is much much more profit in peace and prosperity rather than war and devastation. "
If Kamala had become President and somehow she came out with "They... have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing," the elite media would marvel at her genius. So the context would be quite different.
Imagine elite media celebrating the genius of Trump for saying "They... have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing." Then, in that context, what would people here be saying?
They say God blesses those who bless Israel, but it really does seem like God damns those who bless Israel too.
Instead of all this "blessing" and "damn" we should take the cue of Donald and so many others and just say "fuck".
I'm almost 99% sure God does related to this shit: "What? Again!?! THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING!" - The Big Enchilada
I'm still stuck on Medvedev's sinister promises to help Iran.
Obama and Medvedev were buds.
Obama slipped pallets of cash to the Ayatollahs in the dead of night.
Howard said...
Here's where we agree completely, Mike. Trump is selling to the rest of the world that there is much much more profit in peace and prosperity rather than war and devastation.
Anyone who hopes she is not successful in this endeavor is part of the problem
And the main issue here is that everyone in the ME is on board with Trump except 2 groups right now.
The Mullahs in Iran and the Hezbollah animals aren't long for the world either. Both have been defenestrated.
And notice that all of the people angry right now are the people who loudly pretend they are against never ending war. They are just mad the never ending wars in the ME have a chance to end now because the obvious assholes are being wiped out.
The ones on the right wouldn't know what to do if they didn't have something to complain about.
The ones on the left are just traitors.
Ann said:
"the elite media would marvel at her genius"
Indeed they would.
with all the fantastic chess moves by Israel and the Trump administration .. anyone wonder if this is more chess moves? I'm not saying it is ... because Trump looks genuinely frustrated... but?
“if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has ‘been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing’”
It’s the doing that makes the saying ok.
If Kamala Harris had joined Netanyahu in ending Iran’s nuclear ambitions, anything she said afterwards would be just fine.
Shout out to Inga after a long night of partying.
"I'm not saying it is ... because Trump looks genuinely frustrated... but?"
He is most definitely frustrated. Zero-percent-zero doubt.
I know that feel.
"Forgive them. They don't know what the fuck they're doing." - Jesus (paraphrased)
I think Trump's remarks in that video — the whole clip — are great. He's putting distance between himself and Israel, giving Iran an opportunity to see advantage in pleasing him, and putting Israel in competition for Trump's favor. Or something like that. The art of the deal.
@Bob Boyd
LOL
“elite media”?
There was a time when that was an honest description. Those days are in the past… the “olden days”…
I’m not sayin’ it is, but I’m not sayin’ it isn’t.
I have no fucks to give for what Trump said. It seemed appropriate as Althouse notes at 8:39. Trump is trying to broker peace and that requires him to be in the middle to do so. When you care about something, then things will get emotional and heated. I said yesterday, this probably needs a 72 hour rule to see what actually comes of it, and it still feels that way. However, I’m hoping for peace.
MJB Wolf: How is Ireland not an island?
RR
JSM
it sounds stupid, they have been slaughtering Jews at airports, Vienna, Rome, Lod, on city streets Boulder, in Museums, most recently in DC
its not quite an invective, but the word Khalas, which means Enough with this, slaughter of Jews,
But yes, I would love to see the IRA and UDF team up to push the wogs and fuzzy wuzzies out of there.
RR
JSM
“If Kamala had become President…”
In another land where the courts and the press
and academia were blue
He stood and said, “Fuck You!”
And Kamala got high and the clouds floated by
He stood and said, “Fuck You!”
And nobody else had ever got it done
Nobody else even tried
There is absolutely no reason why Trump should pretend that the US is somehow a "disinterested third party," and he is not doing that, because A. Nobody believes it for a second; B. His leverage (other than unleashing the US military) is to rein in Israel (see, e.g., Ukraine) and/or let Israel do what Iran knows it is fully capable of doing; C. He doesn't care about what "World Opinion" thinks, and is not paying it lip service.
it would probably end up like the dystopian opening to Ferrigno's Prayer,, it would be very bad,
I'm familiar with invective in several languages but I don't employ them,
h/t Bill Wyman
Would be great to see Israel re-federated into a secular Persian empire. Tzipi could be Esther and Bibi could be Mordecai.
RR
JSM
One of my sisters on the family chat: “Ok so y’all know I really really don’t like Trump, but dropping that F word on tv was epic 😂. What does that say about me, the only time I actually like him is when he curses? Jesus I need You, Lord help me”
@NiohBerg
China: "Do not close the Strait of Hormuz"
Russia: "Israel is kind of a Russian country, so we're not intervening"
Hezbollah: "We don't have hands, eyes or dicks, so we can't help you but good luck bro"
The Ayatollahs would be Haman of course.
RR
JSM
The deal with leftists - is it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't' do - What Trump says - Most dedicated Leftists look for hatred confirmation bias. Because you watch MicroSoft-NBC - highly paid Republican party hate machine.
oh and Bill Gates is recorded saying he wants to control the population with Vaccines.
But it's not an island.
No idea what I was trying to say there. Strike that!
MSNBC is like a nest of brain slugs, CNN is a smaller nest,
If Kamala Harris had pulled off an unprecedented takeout of Iran's nuclear facilities, she would have some credibility.
I think that since Trump the "unpresidential" critique has sort of lost it's relevance (although I also think that ship sailed during the Clinton Administration).
the elite media would marvel at her genius
Yes, disingenuously. She would still be reading a script, if it's Kamala Harris we're musing about. And they'd have to trim the cackle punctuation out to make it that succinct. Trump's ability to communicate is his genius. It's her Achilles heal.
btw- I will give Kamala credit for her dedication to the machine. she memorized her lines and regurgitated them very well.
she is team hamas, remember, as much as fits on her cue card,
meanwhile effendi khalil is free to issue threats to Jews everywhere, heck of a job Judge,
DDD has Liz Cheney derangement syndrome.
Does anyone really care what Liz Cheney thinks or has to say about any of this (besides DDD)?
Exhausted and expasperated, he can say Fuck if he wants to.
It is telling that the person happy that Iran and Israel are still fighting is the personification of democrats is Inga. democrats - the party of evil, death and destruction.
We may not all want to admit it it, but we all know who doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing here, and it’s not Israel or Iran. It’s Mister Drop a Few Bombs and Think It’s Over. Sure, things could still turn out OK. I sincerely hope they do.
OT, but… hey, Yew Nork!
Fuck this and that and the Intifada
Vote Mamdani and get it good and hardah
He loves that dirty wada of teh River Charles
And he ain’t cool people!
Most of us would be impressed if Kamala could be so succinct. Then not cackle.
I turned on my computer expecting to congratulate Trump on the cease-fire and our getting away with the attack, but is the cease-fire lasting? Is this really over? Or is it just another chapter in a forever war that goes on whether we are explicitly involved or not.
If Harris had said what Trump did? I don't know how I'd react, but I got sick of Netanyahu humiliating US presidents and getting standing ovations from US Congresses a long time ago.
she has revealed to be a ghoul, in the arabic term, or a very nasty djinn,
yes Gotham faces the two dogs of Gozer,
No, I’m not happy that Iran and Israel are still fighting. I’m happy that it’s becoming clearer everyday that the countries that need regime change are the US and Israel. Iran won’t ever truly change their regime unless they become a secular government.
Trump attempted peace. Iran not ready.
Iran's Obama supported/Russian Medvedev supported - Backward theocracy needs to go.
"...but is the cease-fire lasting? Is this really over? Or is it just another chapter in a forever war that goes on whether we are explicitly involved or not."
Three guesses. First two don't count.
To dedicated democratic leftists - Iran is simply reacting. Similar to leftist hate.
Decadent Maddow leftist females don't care at all about the women of Iran.
All of our left leaning arm chair strategists remind me of a quote.
"In any game of chance, everything else being equal, the player with the most money will win."
Pipe up if you've also thought of this. In order to attack Iran Israel had to neuter Iran's proxies. Hezbolah and Hamas. Then, when her flanks were secured, go after the head.
Pretty please
THE CEASEFIRE IS NOW IN EFFECT. PLEASE DO NOT VIOLATE IT! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Being crazy might actually be an advantage here.
Inga- why do you think we care if you are happy or not?
Leftist hate: "You made us hate you. You must pay."
Democrats need to start saying that peace in the Middle East was caused by the brave Ivy League Palestinians and that the fight to prevent deportation of innocents continues. Otherwise they have wasted a lot of money on bricks and printing posters.
If they can’t win themselves they at least can steal the victory from Trump. But I doubt they are strategic thinkers.
After Cory Compatore was murdered - leftists had nothing to say.
After Oct 7th - leftists had nothing to say.
Profanity mystifies me. I just don’t get it. Trying to be a tough guy? To me, it reveals immaturity. Do you talk to your grandchildren that way?
Let's assume the cease fire does not hold. Here's what I still see as proven and/or likely:
Iran's nuke program is (at least) delayed for long time.
Iran's proxies have been largely defanged.
Iran's air defense was shattered and their air space is open to Israel. So Iran attacking Israel would likely NOT be to Iran's advantage.
Iran has been dealt an economic blow.
The other major Arab states have seen how toothless Iran is at the hands of both Israel and the US. There are two strong horses now and everyone knows it.
Russia and China have been given a demonstration of America's military capacity. It is, in many ways, beyond what any other country can even dream about.
China is energy dependent on the ME. The US is not.
The Abraham Accords may well gain signatories.
Hamas is beaten back and Iran is unlikely to be able to support them substantially.
Yeah, what if Kamala - bhwahahahaha.
“Inga- why do you think we care if you are happy or not?”
I was responding to this comment, not to you. I understand the thread comments move fast. I’ll have to make sure I copy and paste a commenter’s comment before responding to it or else dummies like you will be confused.
“It is telling that the person happy that Iran and Israel are still fighting is the personification of democrats is Inga. democrats - the party of evil, death and destruction.
6/24/25, 9:12 AM
“ Profanity mystifies me. I just don’t get it. Trying to be a tough guy? To me, it reveals immaturity.”
Profanity done well is a deeply soul cleansing exercise in adapting to many intractable problems.
@Peachy: "with all the fantastic chess moves by Israel and the Trump administration .. anyone wonder if this is more chess moves?"
This isn't chess, rather, these were bone stock military actions. This follows from (1) weapons technology -- USA and Israel are at the top worldwide, (2) deep pockets -- USA has the deepest with the post-WW2 mother-sow-and-piglets economic system, and (3) having will to apply superior technology and keep it coming per those deep pockets.
Trump grows bored and impatient quickly. He wants it to end now (good luck there...), but may make it worse a la Clinton sparking mass suicide bombings in the 1990s as he sought a "final solution" for Israel and Palestine.
"Profanity mystifies me. I just don’t get it. Trying to be a tough guy? To me, it reveals immaturity. Do you talk to your grandchildren that way?"
Of course people don't. It's a very mature way of letting other adults know just how you're feeling without actually resorting to strangling the idiocy you're witnessing.
Donald Trump's "fuck" is a word that means a thousand pictures...those that know his exasperation understand it implicitly because he used it, not the other way around.
Thanks a fuck, Donald. Loud as a bell.
I-nag demands regime change in the US.
How democratic!
Perhaps democrats and their surrogates in the criminal dark mob-global insiders club - can re-up their assassination plots.
Enigma -Trump does grow bored. He wants it all to end. I don't blame him.
Again - I think the most over-looked evil here is Russia's Medvedev's comments about aiding Iran with Nukes.
"I'm still stuck on Medvedev's sinister promises to help Iran"
What's sinister about it? Iran and Russia are natural allies. The USA has spent hundreds of $billions$ helping Ukraine to kill Russians. Both are being sanctioned and directly and indirectly attacked by the USA. As for Israel, its never done shit to help Russia in anything.
I'm shocked the Russians haven't been even more helpful to Iran, even to the extent of giving them enriched uranium.
"The fuck" is an epithet, and has no referent. Original form ,"in the fuck," as in "in the world," takes advantage of grammar to somehow color the whole sentence in which it appears.
RC Ocean - I take your comments thru the filter of your open hatred of Israel and Jews.
Peachy, the dummy, thinks regime change can happen only with violence. Since we here in the US are still a representative republic/democracy we can change regimes every four years. We can defenestrate a bad president by having a majority of the opposite party in the House, the House and Senate, better yet. Looking forward to midterms.
I-nag - YOU used the words "Regime change."
A regime change is not an election. Or are you that dumb?
I hope that Iran and Israel have been caged. On the world stage neither should have any grievance now and the flow of weapons to the area should be throttled.
This should be a good message to Turkey, Syria, and Russia that available bandwidth will be repurposed to them if they don’t stop the aggression shit and start being happy making money.
Now I hope that if anyone acts up they will be quickly shouted down. Perhaps the Pax Americana is not dead.
Yes - we are all looking forward to a majority of Adam Schitts and Jasime Crockets and AOCs.
Ireland the island of course is an island. Ireland the state and nation is not. Not only is the latter a state and nation (ergo, not an “island”), but it has a land frontier: with Northern Ireland, part of the U.K.
Well Peachy, I filter your comments too. I understand you're an amoral, uses words as weapons, zionist. You have no principles other than: Israel First.
“A regime change is not an election.”
You don’t seem to understand a rhetorical device.
RC-propaganda - You really should be on the left.
Israel does not kill gays, Israel dose not beat and jail women for improper dress, Israel has a large secular population, 25% of Palestinians live and work inside Israel.
Islamic Theocracy, is a death cult.
I’m sorry Peachy, but I have to say it. You probably embarrass the hell out of the more intelligent conservatives here.
@Peachy, join the celebration. It’s over. There’s going to be minor (of course not minor for the victims) bombings here and there but Iran’s nuclear arsenal is gone. The most amazing thing was not the precision of the attack (although that was incredible) but that the whole world (with the exception of Inga of course) approved - as evidenced by their silence and/or their whole hearted embrace of our combined actions. Now it would be nice if we could have dangled those frozen assets that the Democrats gave to a nuclear Iran for free, but I’m sure the Arab nations can rummage around in their pockets for some spare change to incentivize Iran with.
I-nag - Sure!
Queen of deleted comments. Still would like to know your reason for buying the Iowa poll. I recall you also said that Harris would win in Texas. Now you use "regime change" talk - which is rather creepy - and call it rhetorical.
‘Having mastered toilet paper supply chain logistics, large language models, Middle Eastern history, submarine design, and balloon dynamics, not to mention my expertise in public health, RNA-based vaccines and infectious diseases and Tesla’s robotaxi. I would like to explain why I think the US military strikes in Iran obliterated the Fordow nuclear site while leaving Natanz and Isfahan largely intact’... ~ Achilles
Now Peachy just babbles…
Speaking of "dirty words":
"Did he really say that or, is it just a figment of my imagination? If he did say that, and, if confirmed, please let me know, IMMEDIATELY. The ‘N word’ should not be treated so casually." - Trump, an hour ago
"Fuck" and "Nuke" are both 4-letter words that rise from frustration...especially since it wasn't but just last week I kept hearing about "nuclear bunker busters" having to be used against Fordow.
"Hypocrisy is the Vaseline of political intercourse" indeed, Bob. Indeed.
Inag holds no shame in her non stop obsession with the Russia collusion hoax and her obsession with Mueller.
We all remember it very well.
No reports of either Iran or Israel breaking the cease fire this morning on X. Perhaps there is a chance that it will work. One thing that can be said for Trump is the he is not afraid to try new approaches and piss people off.
Eva - Your optimism is compelling. I do share in it.
This is always a problem with implementing cease-fires- each side wants to have the last word.
Let me just emphasize: it was a combined effort by the US and Israel. And the Arab world was just fine with that. Israel has joined the community of nations in the Middle East and the Arab nations are just fine with that. Thank you President Trump.
"Israel has joined the community of nations in the Middle East and the Arab nations are just fine with that."
Their nations, or their people? Forever is a long, long time Eva.
A president can't even know the outcome of SNAP or Medicaid reform, let alone war. It is only fools like John Bolton who think that the results are foreseeable, so they have been trotting him out to disparage Trump's just one-move ahead strategic thinking. I am hoping he can pull off this move but it's not chess, its Jenga.
john mosby said...
But yes, I would love to see the IRA and UDF team up to push the wogs and fuzzy wuzzies out of there.
Sadly, the IRA (Sinn Fein) are all in favor of importing the third world to Ireland. They are really just leftists at heart, not nationalists. It has always been a criminal gang masquerading as patriots.
"the Middle East and the Arab nations are just fine with that."
I'll go on record - and you can quote me - that arab people, both sunni and shi'a and a majority, will NEVER be ok with Israel, or Jews.
Haven't since Ishmael and his mom were sent packing. What's another few thousand years.
JAORE @9:33am : +1
"I'll go on record - and you can quote me - that arab people, both sunni and shi'a and a majority, will NEVER be ok with Israel, or Jews."
And, thus, Israel needs the tools to defend itself.
Agree - JAORE- #
Old and slow said...
No reports of either Iran or Israel breaking the cease fire this morning on X.
I’m finding little hard facts either. Lots of places writing what are essentially opinion pieces on what is going on. Example, Stephen Green at PJMedia writing as if the ceasefire is already over. However, this is what I’ve found:
Iran fired a missile that landed in Israel some twenty minutes after the ceasefire. It may have been launched before the ceasefire officially ended. It could have been meant to breach the ceasefire. On the latter, it could be the intentions of those involved in negotiations to break ceasefire or it could be someone that wants those negotiations to fail.
In response, Israel order a retaliatory strike. It ultimately only destroyed a radar site. Israel has now stood down from any more responses at the time being.
It has been a few hours now, and maybe cooler heads are prevailing. Maybe it is all a ruse. Personally, I’ll say it again; I’m hoping for peace. I’d say the markets are acting as if peace is possible. Oil is at $65, $2 below opening. Gold is down $60. DJIA is up 400 pts.
It may have been launched before the ceasefire officially ended.
A late notification or execution is very likely the case.
Inga said...
“Inga- why do you think we care if you are happy or not?”
I was responding to this comment, not to you. I understand the thread comments move fast. I’ll have to make sure I copy and paste a commenter’s comment before responding to it or else dummies like you will be confused.
“It is telling that the person happy that Iran and Israel are still fighting is the personification of democrats is Inga. democrats - the party of evil, death and destruction.
Inga is just mad that everyone has noticed she likes to dance on dead bodies and wave bloody shirts.
You never saw Inga happier than when she thought the J6 protestors killed Brian Sicknick.
Of course that was a lie and Inga was committing blood libel.
And note that inga has never apologized for all of the lies she has told. She still believes in Russian collusion.
She is a sick person.
I was just outside, weeding.
sometimes you weed because you must stay on top of it... or the weeds mature and seed and spread.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
We may not all want to admit it it, but we all know who doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing here, and it’s not Israel or Iran. It’s Mister Drop a Few Bombs and Think It’s Over. Sure, things could still turn out OK. I sincerely hope they do.
How did Obama shipping pallets of money to Iran work out?
A year before the October 7th attack Biden gave the mullahs even more money.
How did that work out?
Your problem is you don’t have any actual arguments to make or principles to defend. If you fixed that problem you wouldn’t look so stupid.
I'm happy to see Trump put out the statement he did in the manner he did. It matched my emotion I felt after I heard Israel bombed the radar site after Trump told them not to, which was frustration. Bombing that site was an absolutely reckless move by Israel that provided no real strategic benefit but risked jeopardizing a possible peace deal after a short conflict in which Israel made huge strategic gains with almost no measurable loss. Plus the attack by Israel jeopardized the support of it's most important ally. The level of support the US gives Israel is not immutable, and given the way the Left in the US has acted after the October 7th attack you would think someone would be whispering in Netanyahu's ear about the importance of preserving political support Israel does currently have in the US.
“Forever is a long, long time”
Forever will take care of itself. It’s right now that’s important. And right now Israel is in better shape than it has been for a long, long time - and so is the rest of the Middle East. To come out from under the devastation of October 7th - absolutely extraordinary.
Vault Dweller - I believe reports are that Israel was bombed by Iran first - and some civilians were killed - then Israel retaliated with the take-out of the radar.
when you pull weeds - you know damn well they are coming back.
One thing you can say about Trump is that he speaks his mind. That's why so many people relate to him.
None of this "We need to meet the moment by having a sidebar with our partners to reaffirm our consensus." bullshit.
"John Althouse Cohen said...
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?"
Kind of a funny question, with an obvious answer.
JAC, Inga, Mark, Gadfly, and 90% of Kamala voters would praise her.
And, like the left here is
Comment on X:
Sunny
@sunnyright
"You need to understand how many former Obama staffers hated not only Israel but had a general hostility to Jews, and it helps explain their foreign policy for 8 years."
The Times of israel shows in real time when Iran or Israel is sending planes or missiles and neither is happening.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/
President Trump on Peace
Exceeds Expectations
I just wanted the long slide into an inept and weak foreign policy and Army to stop. It did. Promises Made. Promises kept.
But, as Howard noted correctly (exceeds expectations) Trump is trying to bring peace in different areas. Abraham Accords, in his first term. And Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Prize - unfortunately on the day he dropped 14 30,000 bombs on Iran's nuclear weapons program. (Was that peace or war?) There's a Congo war I know nothing about where a million people have been killed over mineral rights or something. Probably by now they've been fighting so long and so hard they don't know what the fuck they are doing. That's a kind of war, non-ideological, that Trump is trying to stop.
It's been sixty years since I ran around chanting "All we are saying is give peace a chance." I became thoroughly disillusioned about the "Peace movement" and the Commies running it on behalf of Russian foreign policy. But today the feeling came back.
Exceeds Expectations
Hail Billy Connolly, thanks to Bob Boyd. Loved Connolly as “Da,” a Boondock Saint Trumpian figure, if ever Trump qualifies, Connoly a great dad, in the movie with the most uses of the word “fuck” ever, over 240 times, with no rest for a refraction period, “it certainly illustrates the diversity of the word,” unless that saintly record has been broken in some Diddy video, available only in court?
There a 5 minute scene in "The Wire" in which McNulty and Bunk do a homicide scene investigation in which they communicate entirely through a variety of permutations of the word "fuck."
John Althouse Cohen said...
If Kamala Harris had won, and if President Harris made the same comment, would anyone here be defending her for saying Israel has “been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing”? Or would she be called unpresidential and anti-Israel?
6/24/25, 7:33 AM
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If Kamala Harris just dropped a half dozen bunker busters on Fordow - as an observant Jew and as a conservative - I wouldn't care what she says. Her actions would have been so substantial that she would have a LOT of credit to do and say whatever she wants. I say that as an American and as a Jew. Any objective observer - obviously not our resident antisemite - would acknowledge that an Iranian nuke is not only a direct threat to us but will allow Iran to rule most of the world's oil and so the world economy which would be a catastrophe. As a Jew I am grateful for Pres Trump's action in protecting my brethren in Israel but as an American I am equally grateful that we have a President who acts on behalf of American interests and acted to keep America safe.
That generates a LOT of goodwill. He (or she if she had done it) has a LOT of goodwill to spend.
RCOCEAN II said...
Israel wants to destroy the Iranian Regime and install a Israeli puppet Government. Thats why Iran wants nukes. Israel thinks they have the right to destroy, assassinate, and kill anyone they want to.
They are an amoral, dominating, power that is out of control.
6/24/25, 7:36 AM
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In other words, THE JEWS RULE THE WORLD! CANT YOU SEE THAT! WE NEED TO DESTROY THE JEWS!
Give it a rest, loser.
Howard said...
Scandinavia
6/24/25, 8:13 AM
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I don't know if tiny countries with monolothic cultures and no diversity, and no meaningful economy or impact on the world stage really count TBH. The Scandinavian countries have had no meaningful influence on the world in many, many centuries. Saab and Spotify are the only products from them I can even name.
"Saab and Spotify are the only products from them I can even name."
Add Nokia, Lego, and Ikea.
And ABBA
Inga said...
No, I’m not happy that Iran and Israel are still fighting. I’m happy that it’s becoming clearer everyday that the countries that need regime change are the US and Israel. Iran won’t ever truly change their regime unless they become a secular government.
6/24/25, 9:25 AM
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WTH does that mean? The DEMOCRACIES are the problem? Regime change? Into what? So USA and Israel are the bad guys and Iran is the good guy? It would be over NOT if Iran stops murdering innocent children, using shaped charges against our troops, bombing our troops etc, but it would be over if USA and Israel stopped defending themselves? Are you nuts? Serious question.
We have been at war with Iran since 1979. They have been killing Americans since 1979. We have been accepting their killing us without responding meaningfully until last week. I guess you are RCOcean are OK with dead soldiers as long as you can stick it to the Jews?
Not a good look for either of you.
Ocean 7:17: Is RC bending over for the Ayatollah or just hating on Jews again and dragging the US into it?
Ahhh. I see that Inga misused regime change. Regime change means a change in the government structure. She appears to have meant not a change in the US government structure but simply an election. I guess "this will not change until the democrats run the executive" sounds less dramatic.
Well we've seen what happened in every Dem executive beginning with Clinton and since. The muslims can suicide bomb pizza shops and attack schools all they want. They can bomb our military (eg Khobar Towers, Beirut), they can bomb our boats (USS Cole) and our land (the first World Trade Center bombing under clinton, our embassies in africa) and we won't do anything about. Just keep killing our people. We don't mind.
They can be at war with us. Inga's and RCOcean's desire seems to be they can kill us. We just can't fight back.
Insane.
We - Western Civilization - have been at war with Islam since at least 1979. We just haven't ever fought back. GWB is the first who fought back. Trump is the second.
Their fight is not limited to Israel. I don't want to be pejorative or ad hominem but you have to be an idiot not to see that. Israel is the first step. Western Civ - look at Europe today - is the goal. There can be only Islamic rule. Any land not under shariah is dar al harb. They are at war with western civ until sharia rules the globe. Hard to believe the left does not understand this.
Inga said...
“A regime change is not an election.”
You don’t seem to understand a rhetorical device.
6/24/25, 9:54 AM
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You used the term incorrectly.
Peachy said...
RC-propaganda - You really should be on the left.
Israel does not kill gays, Israel dose not beat and jail women for improper dress, Israel has a large secular population, 25% of Palestinians live and work inside Israel.
Islamic Theocracy, is a death cult.
6/24/25, 9:55 AM
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When you see everything bad in this world as a Jewish plot and believe the Jews are secretly pulling strings and cause everything bad, well, you might be an antisemite. Not you personally. I'm sure RC believes there's a tiny group of Rothschilds that are in control of the world finances too.
Collectivism - a great source of evil in this world - often posits that the world is good and we should be living in utopia. Why is "our" group suffering then? Why are we not all beautiful and rich? There must be someone foiling the natural order. Some evil group. They are the source of everything bad and must be stopped by any means necessary. We need to label them. We need to segregate them from our holy, pure people. We need to extinguish them. THAT is the way for the world to return to its natural order where everything is good again.
For Communists the "we" is the proletariat and the "they" the bourgoisie and property owners. For nazis it is aryans and Jews.
I'm not saying RCOcean is a nazi of course. But his worldview sure closely echoes that flavor of collectivism.
I recognize calling people nazis generally means you've lost the argument. And I'm not saying he is a nazi. His sympathies however echo the collectivist argument made by them.
Inga said...
I’m sorry Peachy, but I have to say it. You probably embarrass the hell out of the more intelligent conservatives here.
6/24/25, 9:56 AM
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I don't know. I think he's alright. Seems pretty logical. He was right in that regime change means what it means, and election not regime change is the word you were looking to use.
Eva Marie said...
@Peachy, join the celebration. It’s over. There’s going to be minor (of course not minor for the victims) bombings here and there but Iran’s nuclear arsenal is gone. The most amazing thing was not the precision of the attack (although that was incredible) but that the whole world (with the exception of Inga of course) approved - as evidenced by their silence and/or their whole hearted embrace of our combined actions. Now it would be nice if we could have dangled those frozen assets that the Democrats gave to a nuclear Iran for free, but I’m sure the Arab nations can rummage around in their pockets for some spare change to incentivize Iran with.
6/24/25, 10:00 AM
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All of the prominent democrat leaders of course object to neutralizing Iran's nuclear ambitions.
I would argue that at least as important as the end result is that Russia and China must appreciate the LOGISTICS involved in bringing these bombers all the way across the world, pinpoint bombing, and safe escape.
The logistics resulting in the effective use of the weapons must be shocking to the ChiComs and Russkies. In that neither has demonstrating to do anything of the sort. China has a lot of firepower but no idea if they can execute a complex plan/attack. Look at Russia in Ukraine. There are a lot of ways to fall apart.
RideSpaceMountain said...
"Israel has joined the community of nations in the Middle East and the Arab nations are just fine with that."
Their nations, or their people? Forever is a long, long time Eva.
6/24/25, 10:14 AM
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The idea that even ten years ago Saudi Arabia and all the Arab states would cheer on an Israeli attack on a Muslim nation was unthinkable. That ALL of them have satisfactory relations with Israel was unthinkable ten years ago. Let's take the win. It's an incredible victory for DJT, for America, and for the world.
Eva Marie said...
“Forever is a long, long time”
Forever will take care of itself. It’s right now that’s important. And right now Israel is in better shape than it has been for a long, long time - and so is the rest of the Middle East. To come out from under the devastation of October 7th - absolutely extraordinary.
6/24/25, 10:54 AM
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AMEN SISTER!
Old and slow said...
"Saab and Spotify are the only products from them I can even name."
Add Nokia, Lego, and Ikea.
6/24/25, 1:36 PM
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OK. Like I said ... nothing meaningful. I mean no Scandinavian country has been an actor on the world stage for several centuries. They have had no ability to impose their will on anyone for a very very long time. That Lichtenstein (?) has no civil strife is not meaningful to me. They're a tiny nation with a completely homogenous population of no world significance.
It didn't take Nostradamus to predict that this was likely to fall apart.
Cheering for non-stop war is so unseemly, but you do you, Mark.
Isn’t everyone supposed to be celebrating the ceasefire…oh, never mind.
I wonder if you cheering for war - and thus putting your 'relatives' in harms way - would make them hate you as much as the rest of us do.
“I would argue that at least as important as the end result is that Russia and China must appreciate the LOGISTICS involved in bringing these bombers all the way across the world, pinpoint bombing, and safe escape.”
O yes. Taiwan got a lifeline at least for a while. Our actions in Iran are a continuation of our conversation with China and Russia.
Loved the comment. Would have been my reaction exactly. Iran and Israeli got the "don't fuck with me" message I am sure.
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