From "Zohran Mamdani on Why He Won/He beat Andrew Cuomo and the elite by upending how the city’s politics was supposed to work" (NY Magazine).
That didn't work in the primary.
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"Fearful of Mamdani, with his calls for free buses, free child care, city-owned grocery stores, and a rent freeze, all paid for by tax increases on corporations and the wealthy, the city’s one percent..."
"... tried to map out how to respond. There may not be much they can do. All the money in the world didn’t save Cuomo from being smoked in the primary by someone who is just a few years away from a nascent career in rap music. If both Cuomo and Adams and Guardian Angels founder Curtis Sliwa run, as they all say they will, the anti-Mamdani vote will also be split. Adams has already signaled he is willing to go places Cuomo was not by calling Mamdani an antisemite and mocking his youthful campaign volunteers as outsiders who are gentrifying the neighborhoods of his working-class base. Unsure how to proceed in the general election, the city’s C-suites are bracing for a Mayor Mamdani...."
From "Zohran Mamdani on Why He Won/He beat Andrew Cuomo and the elite by upending how the city’s politics was supposed to work" (NY Magazine).
"There may not be much they can do"... because consider what they've already done. As Ezra Klein says in his new podcast episode, "Mamdani, Trump and the End of the Old Politics" (Podscribe): "Andrew Cuomo ran a [primary] campaign that was based on a tried and true strategy of buying attention. He had this gigantic super PAC with tens of millions of dollars purchasing all the advertising money can buy absolutely dominating airwaves with negative ads about Zoran Mamdan." We hear Cuomo's ad: "His own words, Zoran. Mamdani wants to defund the police. Zoran Mamdani is a 33-year-old dangerously inexperienced legislator who's passed just three bills. Zoran Mamdani, a risk New York can't afford. Paid for by Fix the City."
From "Zohran Mamdani on Why He Won/He beat Andrew Cuomo and the elite by upending how the city’s politics was supposed to work" (NY Magazine).
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Move to Florida.
Perhaps the most important aspect to Trump is that he fights. Republican voters were willing to tolerate all of his other flaws for a guy who wasn't just a Washington General. Mamdami strikes me as NYC Dems trying something similar, rejecting compromise and moderation in favor of whole-hearted will to power.
The difference is, Trump is basically a 90's Democrat, and Mamdami is a vapid, nepo-baby lunatic who is going to absolutely destroy that city.
Honestly great news for the Republicans. Either the Dems eat themselves in a civil war to thwart Mamdani, or '26 and '28 are going to be set against a backdrop of America's largest city emphatically proving that whole-hearted Dem policies are violently ruinous.
Good n’ Hard Yew Nork!
Mamdani won because enough voters bought his age-old appeal of "I'll give you free stuff and make Those People Over There pay for it". We will find out if it makes enough of Those People Over There abandon the city.
The Democrats who vote in the primaries are going to be the same people who vote in the general. Mamdani is where the Democratic Party is.
Half of Mamdani's platform confirms with Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson Dave Smith Joe Rogan's anti-elite, pro working class, anti Israel populist nationalism. The other half is hard left woken class mental illness.
I think there's a very strong chance Mamdani can win in New York. I'm not sure the White college grads- both young professionals and those making coffee- are going to let go of their emotional high when they're so close to getting what they want. They're ready for some revolution. They don't know what'll come next, but they're very sure they want to tear down what's in front of them.
It's not like we've haven't seen cities or entire states go belly up with some of this insanity before. Chicago, Portland, Seattle and their state houses are the most recent converts. Yet, young people still flock to those cities. Well...maybe not Chicago. The price of housing in the Portland area stays strong currently, even as businesses who haven't yet left downtown, are trying to figure out how to get out.
San Francisco, of course. Has famously tanked over the last few years. There are signs of it plateauing and perhaps even coming back now. Someday they'll even be able to disband their feces patrols.
New Yorkers don't seem to understand how bad things can get.
Even though manliness is back, so many Trumpers have a hysterical hair trigger. The macho-pussy duality spectrum.
Communist paradise for fat white chicks addicted to Rachel Maddow.
Nice.
The wealthy and the police will funnel out.
The conservative in the race - Curtis Sliwa - should win... but he won't - because the body politic is SICK, radicalized, hypnotized, and propagandized.
Note the media won't even mention anyone but the slick- talking, paradise-promising, Jew hating communist.
Temujin -
# all of that - PLUS - he's the cute, young media pimped Luigi.
Mamdani garnered just under half a million votes out of 5.4 million voting age citizens. Hardly representative of NYC as a whole. He's very beatable. Faced with this paltry "victory" some are praying for the destruction of NYC and advocate running away to Florida.
With all the Trump winning, when are you going to stop manifesting the loser mentality?
how many people have voted for Mamdani ?
how many democrats have voted for Mamdani ?
how many democrats have voted ?
if HALF the people in NYC vote.. WHO will they vote for?
Dem voters want a socialist. They want a young Bernie Sanders. After the old guard in the party screwed Bernie and then Hillary lost, after they installed Biden and it was a disaster, the Dem voters are dying for something they can feel excited about. They want hope and change. They want to win. All the cool kids on the left want to say, I support the socialist. Policies don't matter. What matters is how they feel about themselves. It's basically a religion.
Howard - many of us are powerless as we watch the blue cancer spread like the blob.
If this guy wins - yeah - hurry up with the destruction.
Bob Boyd # You said it!
FormerLawClerk said... "Move to Florida."
I vote no. Please pick a different state. We're already overrun by yankees.
If Cuomo runs as well as Adams, then I don't see Mamdani losing in November. One of those first two must drop out and endorse the other if they want to stop the anti-semitic communist.
yes… the only valid response is to leave. I don’t know if any of our clients in the crosshairs have much of a footprint left there except for residential real estate for personal use. I wonder if they’ll dump that now. Really, the more important response is to motivate Congress to starve them of Treasury largesse…
NYzis: DEIsm, redistributive change, the wicked solution. The Democratic/dictatorial duality. Do it again.
Here's something that might be important. In 1993 Guliani got elected in the General Election and about 2 million new yorkers cast ballots. In 2023 Adams got elected and about 1.2 million voted. A drop of 800 thousand, even though the population of NYC grew from 7.3 million to 8.8 million.
In fact turnout in the GE since 2000 had usually been in the 1 to 1.5 million range. Conclusion: Mamdaddy might get defeated based on turnout. If the Blacks turn out in great numbers along with the well do do, Mamdaddy could lose.
I vote no. Please pick a different state
Our hard lefts are buying in Santa Barbara then asking how they can live there without having to tell IRS they live there. We don’t do the gimmicks so they get the sads…
Bob Boyd said...
All the cool kids on the left want to say, I support the socialist. Policies don't matter. What matters is how they feel about themselves. It's basically a religion.
Basically this. They also want six figure salaries. It's going to be interesting to watch this situation resolve itself.
If he wins, Mamdani will get a lesson in both math (how big a number with nine zeroes after it is) and economics (raising that much more in taxes is very difficult, even in New York.)
The real fun will be the 2028 Democratic presidential primaries. I think Occasional Cortex vs Hair Gel will be an epic popcorn eating experience.
Much of what Mamdani proposes can only be done by the state legislature— e.g., increases in the income tax or a rent freeze. He also proposed destroying the City’s top scholastic schools (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech, etc.) by getting rid of merit-based admissions— but, again, those schools are governed by state legislation and require state approval. Other equally foolish changes in other areas he could make as mayor.
The attack on the schools plus the jihad-y intifada stuff is going to be hugely controversial in the Asian and Jewish communities. Time will tell whether issues like that can peel away enough otherwise usual Dem voters, in combination with the many other groups with reason to oppose this guy, to beat him. It would have been nice if the alternative candidates were credible but, alas, we are stuck with a choice between a dangerous fool, an unsavory crook and a complete joke.
Welcome to NYC.
Mamdani is an actor playing a role.
Newsom should start growing his hair now so he can sport a man bun for 2028. I think that would do it.
Off topic: Just looking at the demographics of NYC over time. Now 34% white (includes jews and white hispanics). In 1970 it was 75 percent and in 1980 60%, and in 1990 50%. Yet go look at a Woody allen movie. You'd think NYC was 90 percent white. But then maybe Woody never saw a black/brown person unless it was his maid.
I find all this wailing about Mamdaddy ridiculous. As Richard states, most of his radical reforms need approval by others. I'd add that the Rich and powerful will get NY state, the courts, or the Feds to stop anything they don't want. The NYC mayor isn't a dictator and doesn't really have much power in the big scheme of things.
Temujin writes, "There are signs of [San Francisco's headlong plummet into the abyss] plateauing and perhaps even coming back now."
I'd like to know one of those signs.
Mamdani is an actor in a very similar way to Ilhan Omar. Both are pleasant looking, even attractive in their own way. They have nice, friendly smiles. But their motivations are anything but friendly. They are well-backed and machine-savvy. They have intent. Omar wreaks a certain kind of vengeance on the Minneapolis area, and the extent of the malfeasance is unknown, but its presence beyond doubt. The Somali community is continuing its harvest of wealth from the greater region, which mostly thinks it can afford to ignore the locusts.
NYC is a vastly bigger resource, ripe for plunder. This is what Progressive Democrats bring to you. The alarm is not genuine - their only concern is that they're doing too much, too far, too fast - and they're worried that the chumps might figure out the con before they can make their haul.
Cuomo also promised tons of "free stuff." He was also going "to make things better." Cuomo made the same extravagant promises that Mamdani made. But Cuomo was too normal! The Democrats voted for Mamdani BECAUSE he is an anti-Semite and a terrorist sympathizer. The Democrats have accepted the Woke narrative of our country's moral and economic collapse and have pinned responsibility on big businesses and the ultra wealthy, many of whom are Jewish. In the Woke narrative, the Jews, the traditional outgroup, are enemies of the American people and have engineered a radical redistribution of wealth upwards. Who better to overthrow a government run by Jews and the very wealthy than a Muslim terrorist?
I don't see anything wrong with city owned grocery stores. People have been complaining about "food deserts" - that should fix the problem. And I'm 110 percent for rent control. And free buses.
The lemmings are aroused, for the scent is strong. They don't know much but they know what they like, and the cliff is far away. Far, far away.
The long march begins.
WFB had an interesting reform proposed in 1966, get rid of cars in Manhatten except for taxis. Seems to make sense on a island that has 1.5 million people on 23 square miles. By comparison San Francision is 46 square miles and has 1/2 the population. Chicago is 10x bigger, with twice the population.
Mandarin got 13% of available dem votes and still hasn't actually eliminated Cuomo as a candidate, not sure he really "won" all that much.
I understand Tennessee is a nice place to live. Better to go there than Florida. Florida has hurricanes, alligators, Florida Man, etc.
Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster. "Gull darn it, they'll be sorry. I'm leaving this state (city) and moving to X". White cons were saying this in California for 30 years. And they're gone, and the liberals are happy about it.
Autocorrect keeps replacing Mandami with Mandarin. Must be some of that systemic racism we hear about.
What do Trump and Mamdani have in common? They both came to prominence by speaking to the growing percentage of Americans who are getting left behind.
MAGA and the socialists are not racist, anti-Semitic, crazy, or whatever you want to call them. They understand that those at the top of the food chain have used the power of government to strip mine the American economy.
They understand that Trump or Mamdani may not be able to fix it, and might even make things worse. That's a chance they're willing to take.
"I understand Tennessee is a nice place to live. Better to go there than Florida. Florida has hurricanes, alligators, Florida Man, etc."
No, Tennessee is horrible- it has banjos, rednecks, and The Plague.
If Wall Street moves from NYC, then NYC is finished.
A man for his times.
---- “What you do in moments like that is you actually just respond to what every single New Yorker has told you is their top priority, which, time and again, is affordability,” he told me [me me me me].
Tax 'em while they got it.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBST01134
"...[U}pending how the city's politics was supposed to work[.]"
That boat left the dock decades ago, when -
.."a right to" morphed from meaning "Government shall place no restriction on" to meaning "Government shall provide at public expense."
..the franchise was extended to persons with no "skin in the game."
..elections morphed into foolishness like California's "Top Two" and "Instant Replay."
I blame the voters. Thank you, Robert Conquest.
Well, New Yorkers, now he says he wants to tax white neighborhoods at higher rates. To all my white college friends who made a bundle in finance and screwed the middle classes out of NYC, cough, C.A., while loving on and exploiting the unproductive underclasses to justify screwing us, enjoy your success. It will resurface soon enough in your childrens' deep-set psychological problems.
And, by comparison, the status of the upper middle class. A long slide since Reagan's day.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBSN40162
"That didn't work in the primary. "
Past results aren't predictive of future performance.
I'm sorry but this whole thing isn't what the media says it is. When a commie jihadist wins a ranked choice primary & total voter turnout was 400K out of 5MM eligible voters I don't think that's going to be the result in the general, Dem bias or not.
He can’t change income taxes without the state legislature (of which he has been a member for three terms.) He can’t change bus fares without the approval of the MTA, which is state controlled. He can stack the rent stabilization board, but that doesn’t mean he can get a rent freeze…which would only apply to stabilized units. He’s a smart guy, and is well aware of the limits on a mayor’s powers. All of these people running around with their hair on fire is amusing.
Cuomo provided zero reason to vote FOR him, he only provided reasons to not vote for the other guy. Also, going from disgraced governor to mayor is a nakedly self-serving move and people really do hate that.
Cuomo’s money backers just need to say, enough, and make him go away because right now they are lighting their money on fire.
What does jaltco think about this? If you are watching this thread please give us your two cents.
Cuomo could be trying to get this commie elected.
It amuses me that some people seem to think the state legislature won't give the NYC mayor what he requests in regulatory powers.
I see a blue wave of New Yorkers moving out of NYC and into red states.
Part of the reason that Mamdani's pledges are seen as credible is because he has delivered for his constituents during his time in the NY legislature.
One of the reasons that the Democratic establishment tend to lose a lot is because they have total and absolute contempt for voters and voters see right through them.
Part of the party establishment's blindness is due to a monumental blind-spot that they have thanks to the fact that they live incredibly comfortable and insular lives. Conditions keep getting worse and worse for a lot of people in this country -- generations are losing ground and worse off than their parents -- only the most privileged sliver of the society is doing better.
The political elite have no idea why people are angry, because they are rich and rich people that they serve, keep them insulated from the reality that the majority have to survive in.
People like the Clintons and their inner circle think, "if something works so well, why would we change it? When the financial crisis hit, I survived and made a ton of money. When I supported the Iraq War and other invasions, I got even richer. No one in my family lost limbs or died, ergo, it was good for me."
Part of Trump's success is due to the fact that he at least acknowledges and speaks to the anger. The Democrats offer nothing and what they do offer lacks credibility.
Substantively, I don't think it will make a huge difference in the near term, because NYC Mayor is a largely symbolic office with the state having a major veto over the mayor's actions (even having the capacity to remove the mayor). However, it is great news to see Cuomo lose. Well past time for a changing of the guard within the Democratic Party.
Part of Trump's success is due to the fact that he at least acknowledges and speaks to the anger. The Democrats offer nothing and what they do offer lacks credibility.
Another part of the President's success is due to the fact that he has excellent executive capabilities. And a quick judgment of conditions that tends to be correct.
In fact, I have voted for him over and over and I love him to death. May all the liberals and leftists be stuck in the hells they have created for themselves.
I swear that all this is true. --KakiWaki
Kak - your party is corrupt. Nothing good comes out of it.
ROCEAN II said "Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster. "Gull darn it, they'll be sorry. I'm leaving this state (city) and moving to X". White cons were saying this in California for 30 years. And they're gone, and the liberals are happy about it." I'm confused? No one will leave over this yet your example is all the white cons saying they'd leave Californa and now they are all gone? Sounds to me like they actually left as threatened. So is your argument that they won't leave NYC or that when they do the socialists left behinf won't care.
Kak, what has he delivered? Seven paragraphs, but you didn't mention one accomplishment by the unemployable nepo crybaby.
"Seven paragraphs, but you didn't mention one accomplishment by the unemployable nepo crybaby."
Kak posts what they give him to post. He is a publisher, not an editor.
If you are going to live in a shithole like NYC, you might as well loot the joint.
Mandarin got 13% of available dem votes and still hasn't actually eliminated Cuomo as a candidate, not sure he really "won" all that much.
Joe Biden got 100% of the Dem votes in 56 Democrat Party primaries and secured 3,904 of the 3,936 pledged delegates. He was selected as the party's candidate at their convention in Chicago.
Twenty-nine days later, the Democrats announced that Kamala Harris would instead be their candidate and kicked Joe Biden out of the Presidential race (using a "resignation" letter signed by an autopen.)
Election results don't mean squat to Democrats.
"He was selected as the party's candidate at their convention in Chicago."
Nope.
Clean up in Aisle 7, Howard @8:46AM.
Oh, that's right, Yancy ... they executed the coup prior to the convention.
New York may have to learn that 1% is not a lot, but essential and easy to lose.
Mamdani has a very good chance...
of losing.
"Danno said...
What does jaltco think about this? If you are watching this thread please give us your two cents."
He's on Facebook if you really want to know. Cliff Notes: Not a fan.
"All the money in the world didn’t save Cuomo..."
Cuomo didn't have "all the money in the world." His campaign actually spent less money than Zohran's campaign, but the PACs spent a lot more money supporting Cuomo.
This whole concept that it's easy to buy elections keeps proving itself to be false.
In 3 elections for Trump I saw exactly 1 campaign ad on television for Trump (late in the 2016 election). I saw, combined, well over 500 ads for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. I don't think television ads are worth a dime any longer.
Mamdani won the Democratic primary, so you have to figure he's the favorite in the general. He is unusually beatable for a Dem nominee, but not if the "not Mamdani" vote is split 3 ways.
Adams can win a head to head race against Mamdani, but Cuomo and Sliwa both have to drop out. Cuomo lost the primary so, if he stays in, it's nothing more than a vanity race. One way or another, he needs to get pushed out. Sliwa is also a vanity candidate. Sliwa made his name fighting crime in the subways, so someone needs to sit him down and explain that he is throwing away his own legacy if Mamdani wins because he stayed in.
He hasn't even been elected, and NY real estate is already reeling after the primary result. The rich are already looking for a path out. I suspect most will wait to see how things go, but that is countered by the risk of leaving too late. I left CA and took nearly a hundred jobs with me for the same reason (Democrat domination), and half the companies I sell to in Las Vegas are recent escapees from CA. This does happen. CA now leads the country in poverty and fiscal stupidity. NY says: "Hold my beer."
"Fearful of Mamdani, with his calls for free buses, free child care, city-owned grocery stores, and a rent freeze, all paid for by tax increases on corporations and the wealthy, the city’s one percent..."
Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.
This list will entail "sooner" rather than later.
Around 1 million voted in the Democrat primary (out of around 3.4 million registered Democrats, so turnout was a bit under 30%), of which 430,000 voted for Mamdani. It seems quite possible that his core support caps out at around 500,000-600,000, assuming there aren't so many more baristas, artistes, and hipsters out there that didn't already vote for him.
For the general election, there are 5 million eligible voters. Even if turnout is only 40%, that means 2 million votes, and Mamdani might have trouble getting more than 25-30%. So I think he can be defeated, but at least one of Cuomo, Adams, and Sliwa need to drop out.
Dueling populisms. Populism is different in the big city.
"They're ready for some revolution. They don't know what'll come next, but they're very sure they want to tear down what's in front of them."
How true, Temujin.
There are reports that someone is trying to find ways for Sliwa and Cuomo to leave the race. Jobs in the Trump administration?
Cuomo needs to get lost, and stay lost. I doubt he will.
Mamdani is an actor playing a role.
As is AOC. It seems to work.
“Unsure how to proceed in the general election, the city’s C-suites are bracing for a Mayor Mamdani...."
A lot of those C-suites have a nice view of the Hudson. Go west, rich man!
The globalization of the intifada strategy has an expiration date. I don’t think that Israel is going to win a 12 day war with Iran and let Hamas go back to business as usual. The Arab states are going to come in and participate in Gaza and that will let the air out of the Palestinian Struggle in the US. It would be too embarrassing otherwise, even for Democrats.
But that does not mean that the New Democrat socialists won’t move on to other things but abortion and Palestine are old news now. What is not old is the obvious reality that the allure of NYC is wealth, it has been the place to go to get it and wealth is what makes it a nice place to live for everyone. Without wealth it is nothing. Socialism will make it Cleveland.
RC Ocean: “The NYC mayor isn't a dictator and doesn't really have much power in the big scheme of things.”
True of Adams, who tried to veto some of the insane legislation passed by the city council (I think banning brick ovens for pizza restaurants was one such, but I’m not positive) but the city council has an un-veto-able majority. They and Mamdani being together on the nutty side of every issue will be able to do big damage.
Also RC Ocean: “ Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster.”
I (a lifelong NYC-er) would generally tend to agree with you, but if taxes get substantially higher and police substantially scarcer, MrX and I at least will leave.
RCOCEAN II said...
I find all this wailing about Mamdaddy ridiculous. As Richard states, most of his radical reforms need approval by others. I'd add that the Rich and powerful will get NY state, the courts, or the Feds to stop anything they don't want. The NYC mayor isn't a dictator and doesn't really have much power in the big scheme of things.
Does policing matter at all in your opinion?
The great thing about the city owned supermarkets is nobody will get charged for stealing from them.
People just don't actually think about these things much it seems.
It is absolutely predictable what is going to happen if Mamdani is elected.
The police will stop enforcing laws and stop responding to most calls and a large number of the police force will retire or leave.
But lets skip the obvious and move to this "City Owned" supermarket idea which is fantastically stupid.
People who aren't entrepreneurs don't understand how talented and hardworking entrepreneurs are.
Really fucking stupid people think they are going to replace entrepreneurs with city employees. City employees are not talented and not hardworking because those types of people do not seek employment in government. You get people who are slightly above Public School teachers on the effort and talent scale.
Let that sink in for a second. How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that is a good idea to replace talented hard working people with government employees?
Mad-Manny - the rapper(D) - is an Infitada f-head
Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster.
What evidence is available to support a statement like that? Clearly bad policies have already caused a drain of individuals and companies that were a major part of the city’s tax base, most importantly financial services. Implement a bad policy and you always incentivize someone at the margin to flee. Good and hard will do it, though I expect there will be federal support to subsidize his bad policies. I hope I’m very wrong but I won’t be…
I wonder if they’ll dump that now.
I checked. Of the few remaining, one has their property for sale but a divorced couple are still there, each with their own place. Only the hairdresser lady lives in NYC. Surprisingly for reasons we don’t understand, another is just now moving there…
I’m beginning to wonder if Mamdani isn’t too far Left even for the college educated white women of NYC.
RCOCEAN II said...
Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster. "Gull darn it, they'll be sorry. I'm leaving this state (city) and moving to X". White cons were saying this in California for 30 years. And they're gone, and the liberals are happy about it.
Just curious why you think Blue states are losing congressional seats every year.
It is fascinating to see someone so twisted by hate.
The winner of NY mayor’s race for the Democrat Party is Saul Alinsky. There are more Have Nots than Haves. Let’s see how well the Have Nots do at pilfering the Have before the Haves leave for less confiscatory pastures. Socialism always sounds great, until it is tried.
"Socialism always sounds great..."
It is great. For those running things. Which will never be you. So there.
The guy got 5% of NYC’s vote in the primary. Seems beatable.
The real fun will be the 2028 Democratic presidential primaries. I think Occasional Cortex vs Hair Gel will be an epic popcorn eating experience.
Bolshevik Barbie vs American Psycho, the Democrats bench is really depleted if that is the best they can come up with.
We are seeing the triumph of the teachers unions and the teachers colleges. For the past twenty years, the New York City school system has been pushing more and more ideology in the curriculum, and here we are.
Wow, from Hillary down (OK, even before Hillary) the left has produced candidate after candidate that elicits a WTF more than a vote. Absent Covid and trickery could any of this clown posse win again?
Also RC Ocean: “ Nobody will "Run away" because of Mamdaddy. That's the typical Center-right bluster.”
Yeah. They do. It's usually people you don't notice every day until they're gone. One off businesses that employ , at most , ten people. The mom and pop dry cleaners. The guy that made custom cabinets. The sewing machine repair guy. IOWs the people that make any society work.
It's the reason people are leaving California and Illinois in droves. And the people who can't right now are waiting for their retirement.
Florida! Whos motto is; "We're only slightly less dangerous than Australia. But give us six months and there will be another dangerous non native species."
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