ADDED: Did Trump taunt Zelensky about his clothes? I was thinking about what he said when Zelensky first arrived — "Hey, you're all dressed up" — but I see that after Vance went hard on the clothing issue, Trump said: "And I do like your clothing, by the way":NEW: Mark Zuckerberg rips off his suit and starts performing in a blue jumpsuit at his wife's 40th birthday party.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) March 1, 2025
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The billionaire surprised his wife at her birthday party by wearing singer Benson Boone’s jumpsuit that he used during his 2025 Grammy performance of… pic.twitter.com/ompbHIW8mp
@dailymail While meeting with President Trump, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was asked why he doesn’t wear a suit. Despite rising tensions during the meeting, Trump came to his defense and said ‘I think he’s dressed beautifully’ of the Ukrainian president. 🎥 Reuters Read the full story on DailyMail.com. Link in bio. #news #politics #trump #zelensky #zelenskyy #ukraine ♬ original sound - Daily Mail
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…a onesie and he’s that Davos Bond villain Klaus Schwab
Who knew the robot could move so fluidly!
Happy Birthday, Mrs. Z.
He seems to be enjoying his new persona. He's so lifelike now.
How come no audio of the Zuck singing?
Our sleepy little village green where the ruins of the plantation house are is a fabu event venue for a tent and reception but there’s been a few of these billionaire things where we get the two story steel structure what looks like this Zuck party along with 350 guests with attitude and their own private security with attitude. People’s homes are a few feet away for chrissakes…
The piano is deserving of more respect.
All that money and effort for a Harvard 6.
Hope they at least have an open marriage or a lot of hall passes or something.
JSM
And Zorro wore a mask.
"Zelenskyy 'Regrets' What Happened Today: Ukrainian Officials "Desperate" To Get Deal Back On Track After Oval Office Meltdown, Trump Not Interested." - ZeroHedge
LOL. Zelensky is so in over his head. He peaked when he played that piano with his penis when he was a comedian. It's a president who was a professional comedian vs a president who could be a professional comedian, if he didn't feel like it would be a waste of his talents.
I'm sorry, I must have been away for a bit. Benson Boone?.
There’s some real Joy there!! A surprise well done.
(Ya - I have no idea who this Boone guy is either…)
Refreshing they didn’t just buy off the list of Grammy winners that will show up and sing at your wife’s party…
And just to show I'm not sexist, I'll say the same for Mrs Zuck: all those years spent nursemaiding an aspie Harvard dropout? She could take half and spend the rest of her life on yachts with a rotating cast of pool boys, ffs.
JSM
Looks outrageously fun to me. Wish I'd been there.
I don't read Trump as taunting Zelensky's outfit, more as socially pressuring him, teasing, if you will. After all Musk hangs around the Oval Office in those black t-shirts, a step below Z's wartime cosplay.
I have known and watched a number of marriages over the decades of my life, and the most successful and happy one that I can think of was between a guy who was prom king at my high school, and did great with women, who married a "mid" after college. I guess he no longer had anything to prove to himself, and just wanted to be happy, and it worked.
I hate wearing and maintaining a suit as much as any man living but I still would have worn a nice one when meeting the President of the United States (or the Prime Minister of Shit-Holelistan for that matter). I don't have a clue what Zelensky is doing dressing the way he does for such meetings.
The clothing thing was a negotiating power move. Pretty basic - and somewhat childish - but is very easy to deal with. Zelenskyy failed [to deal with it]. It demonstrated the level at which he was able to negotiate.
The Ukrainian ambassador saw the disaster that was unfolding:
https://youtu.be/IlZjky8k7kE?si=RmQ5GgYJjweu1cZ7
It would help if Zelensky resigned now.
Zelinski - ditch the onezie antifa jammies.
"taunted by Trump and Vance for not wearing a suit" Teased by Trump, maybe chided by Vance, who has a harder edge, while Trump tried to set a light tone for what was supposed to be coming-together making-a-deal event. But Trump knows. He is the bullshitter who sees through everyone else's bullshit. In this case, he spotted rightaway: so you come here for a deal meant to make peace in a tracksuit signaling that you are still a war leader. Bad move. Amateur. Still, Trump played nice for most of the meeting.
Zielinsky's sartorial choice is Castroesque
Go with it. It's obviously meant to project the "wartime leader couture" look. Castro. Mao. Dark Helmet. Zelensky. They all had a signature look. If the war or the negotiations don't go well, there's always the fallback fashion line.
There is something deep down inside Mark Zuckerberg that is kicking and screaming and dying to get out. When that happens, the rest of the world is dying to shove it back in.
A Harvard 3 will do just about anything for his Harvard 6. Without his billions, the best Zuck could have done was another Melinda Gates.
The Trump Show is usually entertaining, but I wish we could go back to behind closed doors negotiations. Leaders humiliating each other in front of the cameras isn't pretty.
Gotta go. Friedrich Merz will be coming over soon from Schittwig-Holstein.
Doonesbury on the importance of a nice suit.
"I don't have a clue what Zelensky is doing dressing the way he does for such meetings."
What's coming into focus for me is that Zelinskyy isn't trying to curry favor with Trump-Vance. His real base of support is the democrat-globalist establishment, who spun this myth of Ukraine as a beacon of freedom and democracy that good people around the world are morally obligated to join hands with in defeating Russia. Those people want two things: (1) a share of the money that the U.S. is printing to fund the war , and (2) to be able to portray Trump as a friend and ally of Putin. They understand that Zelenskyy needs to pay lip service to Trump to keep the money flowing (objective #1), but they'd never allow him to show up in the WH wearing a suit and tie because of objective #2. By the same token, they couldn't allow Zelenskyy, after yesterday's debacle in the Oval, to appear to be apologizing in any way for his behavior.
Zelenskyy proved yesterday that he's not nimble enough to pull the wool over Trump's eyes while still pleasing his dem masters.
I don't think Trump taunted Zelensky about his clothes. I initially though it was JD who questioned him about that because the question came from JD's direction, but read it was Brian Glenn, Chief White House Correspondent Real America's Voice.
I watched the whole thing today and got a much different impression than just seeing the confrontation. It started out as respectful, some back and forth but not too testy and got derailed after JD's question. Zelensky then lost his composure and escalated when he should have deftly deescalated.
I think language was an issue for Zelensky. I could see him struggling to understand some questions and Trump at times, who's stylistic digressions and weaves can be fun for a native speaker but hard to follow for a non native speaker. I think he was at time reacting to some phrases he heard and not getting the context or subtext. He was also struggling with his spoken English at times, which is understandable in high pressure situation for a non native speaker.
Churchill didn't have elections during WWII, but he did bring the opposition into the government in a show of national unity. Zelensky simply banned the opposition parties. Zelensky is a dictator.
Zelensky doesn't even speak Ukrainian that well. Supposedly he speaks Russian whenever the matter is important.
What was Zelensky's best case alternative to the Trump deal?
It isn't clear to me. Is there a better scenario than to keep fighting with European help?
What is Trump's alternative to making this deal?
I don't think Trump would like to see the mineral's in question go to Russia and China. Maybe Zelensky thought that was his leverage.
Trump has been clear there will be no US security guarantees. Such guarantees would be functionally equivalent to Ukraine joining NATO, which was never actually on the table, not under Biden, not ever. And security guarantees would guarantee that Ukraine could maneuver the US into war with Russia.
The funny thing is that Europe is threatening to go it alone against Russia because they are mad that we won't pledge the lives of our sons in their cause.
*Please, be our guests.* Europe can't win a conventional war against Russia, would probably have a hard time keeping fighting for even a short while, which is the real plan, start getting wiped out and then call for the US and fire the starter's gun for WW3.
Europe just arrested the presidential candidate most likely to win in Romania because he opposes the war. What would we tell our young men that they are fighting and dying for? Not democracy. Not liberty. Not even freedom of speech.
I am Mr. Bad Link today. The cartoon should be from Feb 28, 1978. Doonsebury on the importance of a nice suit
Saint Croix - Good find. The more thing change the more they stay the same.
I wasn't alive back when the Vietnam War started, but this sure seems like a similar kind of moment, where a lot of people are pushing for escalation based on moral causes against a real evil aggressor. And it seems like Biden was trying to play the Kennedy role and Trump isn't LBJ. Kamala, who has no core so is swayed by the popular kids, likely would have.
It also striking to me how quickly we made the usual shift about which folks are anti war and which are pro war, but in an odd way. Usually the Left becomes anti war with a R president, but this R president isn't wanting another Vietnam and so the Left does. Weird psychology. And very very few actually care about Ukraine, it's just a proxy for asserting their political biases.
Modern day suits are brutalism applied to fashion and it's shocking to me how many people, like Trump, who despise that architecture somehow think the fashion says something positive about either character or capability.
Moden day suits show the complete lack of cultural or creative imagination we fell Into in the 20th century. But slap a strip of colored cloth around the neck and a thinking man thinks the person is capable.
Biden wore a suit all his life that's why you could trust his word as a Biden.
Zelenksyyy doesn't wear a suit and tie because he would end up looking like a little boy in a sailor suit next to the much taller Vance and Trump. Further, he's supposed to be a "wartime President" and dressing in his dark clothes makes him look more "Macho".
Its impossible to take the liberal/left seriously. Everything they say in foreign policy is just propaganda and bad faith. Shouting Democracy and "Putin is a dictator" in one breath, and defending the Coup in Romania and Zelensky's refusal to have elections in the next breath.
To them "Democracy" just means "What liberal/leftists like". It nothing to do with representative government. IOW, they like the commies who would have dictatorships and call it "THe Democratic Republic of X"
I feel bad for the Ukrainian people, but they're so passive and silent its hard to care. They wont support the regime 100 percent, but they wont oppose them either. The war would end tommorrow if the Ukrainian forces would just stop fighting but they wont surrender nor will they really fight enthusiastically. Large numbers of Civilian, however, will run away to other countries.
It's really worth everybody's time to watch the whole meeting. The AP is giving partial transcripts, which is useless. The Guardian is giving partial transcripts. Forbes is giving partial transcripts. It's insane how dishonest these journalists are! In the headline, they say, "Everything that was said." And then they give a partial transcript. Holy fuck, it's the internet, you're not killing any trees. Give the whole transcript, it's important for context.
All the journalists are interested in are the clips from the fight. But you need to see the meeting from the beginning to see how the fight started.
Racket News has a full transcript. That's Matt Taibbi's outfit. It might be behind a paywall. He's definitely worth it. Also very good is the transcript from America This Week, which is all about the Ukraine war (before the blow-up yesterday).
Here's the full Zelenskyy meeting on youtube.
Clips from the fight: It's Trump's fault, we can't trust Trump.
But if you watch the full meeting, or read the transcripts, it's absolutely clear what happened. Zelenskyy was overcome with fear/anger at Putin, and he revealed that he didn't trust him.
"We can’t just speak about ceasefire and speak and speak, it’ll not work. Just why will not never work, because I’m like a president. I have this experience and not only me, Ukraine before my presidency from the 2014 Putin broken 25 times. 25 times he broken his own signature 25 times he broken cease fire."
And that's when the fight started, right there.
When you're a billionaire, it gets harder and harder to surprise your wife.
"Europe just arrested the presidential candidate most likely to win in Romania because he opposes the war."
That wasn't "Europe", that was the European equivalent to the Biden regime. Trump and Vance got rid of them here, and they are going to get rid of them there. Adios, you shit-suckers!
Here's the question no one is asking; Did Zelenskyyy have his stash on him? If the SS had grabbed his diminutive ass and strip-searched him, would they have found a couple grams of coke? If not on him, then where? Maybe someone in his retinue carries for him?
Apparently, Zelenskyy was advised by Susan Rice, Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nulan, and Vindman the day before the meeting to be confrontational, and blow up the deal. It took him a while to work up to it. Secretary Rubio said that Zelenskyy could have signed the deal in Kiev, but insisted on doing it at the White house, publicly.
Jaq, ref 10s marrying Miss:
Are you sure your friend didn’t keep on screwing hot girls on the side, knowing that his wife would never leave him and he wouldn’t have to deal with hot girl syndrome at home?
No wonder he was happy.
JSM
Re: Paddy O:
Modern day suits are brutalism applied to fashion
I disagree! Certainly there are a lot of unfortunate modern suits with tiny lapels on wide cuts that are also somehow too short, and spindley, slim-cut legs poking out the bottom like a cartoon. But in the main, I think modern suits are quite good. Suit fashions have settled into a comfortable middle-of the road style, with "natural" shoulders, soft lines, and lapels and legs that aren't ridiculously skinny but also aren't ridiculously wide. You still see some with a bit of roping in the shoulder and a stiff, sort of architectural look, but it's pretty rare, at least in the US. Modern suits are quite comfortable.
Hey Zelenskyy's outfit was an upgrade. It was sort of a high end tracksuit. Much more stylish than his former olive drab tee shirt. But still not really appropriate for a business meeting between leaders of nation states.
Re: Skeptical Voter:
Hey Zelenskyy's outfit was an upgrade. It was sort of a high end tracksuit. Much more stylish than his former olive drab tee shirt. But still not really appropriate for a business meeting between leaders of nation states.
Yes . . . but there's some precedent for it, and not just Hitler swanning about in quasi-military uniforms. Churchill also went about in various military uniforms during the war, and even wore his air raid boiler suit to official business. The January 19, 1942 edition of LIFE has a little photo spread of Churchill walking the grounds of the White House in his boiler suit (though perhaps not to an official meeting with the American President?), even though he was far from any risk of German air raids. It was a bit of silly theatre, and Zelensky's paramilitary cosplay is the same.
"Modern suits are quite comfortable." they are! But still brutalism in efficiency and minimal creativity. Brutalist buildings are very efficient and comfortable to get around in. Just uninteresting, even though their are fans of it who can describe the nuances of differences
Re: Paddy O:
Brutalist buildings are very efficient and comfortable to get around in.
That's . . . not my reaction to Brutalist architecture. Isn't it famously ugly, confusing, and unpleasant -- the sort of thing architects who hate people design? The Boston City Hall is one of the most famous examples of Brutalism. Though well regarded by professional architects (in another historic own-goal for professional credibility), it is regularly voted the ugliest building of all time, is apparently confusing to navigate, and is expensive to maintain. Like the opposite of a nicely tailored suit.
'I don't really care what happens to Ukraine, one way or the other'
The suit argument is a distraction and has absolutely nothing to do with why Vance and Trump berated Zelensky. In fact the meeting went fine for the first 120 minutes. And there was a plan to sign the mineral deal and have lunch afterwards. But once Zelensky asked for some kind of assurance that Putin would hold up his end of the bargain Vance got upset. The suit argument is weak and simply not accurate because it assumes Vance and Trump would have held their tongues because Zelensky was wearing a nice suit!
He is following in the footsteps of Arafat (and Gaddafi, and Stalin, and Mao, and so on) in wearing military garb to show the continuity of his struggle against his enemies, and his unity with his wartime populace. And it means nothing except continuity of his costume during wartime. He got run out because he tried adding new conditions to an agreed upon deal, and Trump knows all too well how that negotiation tactic works and how to end it.
Zelenski dresses like a mobster, not a soldier. A lot to unpack there.
The tech guys should cut back on psychedelics, ketamine, and so on. And hire some competent people to program grammar.
Balfegor: interesting. I admit liking some brutalist architecture. I lived in an I. M. Pei dorm for a few months, and it was like a medieval castle, an early era one. The virtues? Silence and coolness under punishing Sarasota sun. Alleys and escape routes and small windows. A fortress. But I like men in understated suits, and haciendas too. My husband wears suits a lot, and once I found the look most like Donny Wahlberg in Blue Bloods, I bought several. The point of a certain type of man's suit is that it should look so natural to him that he sleeps in it.
But that's just me.
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