“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet....
Among the pardoned is Liz Cheney.
ADDED: Here's Biden's statement.
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১৯৭টি মন্তব্য:
They can still be investigated.
I wonder if Biden knows about this
The Cheney name is now officially Mud.
Weird to be granting pardons to people not charged with anything yet. Sure seems like a declaration that an upcoming investigation might find some things that reach the level of criminal activity. And...just in case...
There is literally no other reason to do this.
So, they have to accept the pardon? Never heard of that. I urge Fauci, Cheney and Milley to reject the pardons and do it in writing.
Obviously they are all guilty of something. The innocent don't need to be pardoned.
Now there is no reason not to have a full and open investigation with everyone on the record.
Great. No 5th amendment protection in hearings, and perjury charges available.
And forced to testify under oath, without Fifth Amendment protections. They will not be immune to prosecution for future perjury.
There’s that whole thing of no 5th Am privilege, too. It clears the runway to investigate and publicly expose for those amongst us that still choose to deny…
Has Biden preemptively pardoned Eric Ciaramella and the Vindmans yet? Cassidy Hutchinson?
This isn't going to end for a decade or two. Civil lawsuits. The ambulance chasers will be getting busy today. Someone may consider a RICO suit against a much broader group of conspirators too.
Maybe I missed it somewhere along the way, but is this even legal? How do you grant a pardon with no criminal conviction? Was this discussed among "legal experts" when Hunter Biden's blanket pardon was granted?
Corrected headline: "Biden pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, and the Jan. 6th committee in an extraordinary abuse of presidential power against potential US justice.
And how does that differ from their reputation years ago? Dick Cheney's name was mud among Democrats way back during the GW bush administration. Liz cemented her reputation in leading the kangaroo court too.
…so when they were boasting that no one is above the law they meant Republicans and the other little people…
WTF. An outright acknowledgment of their guilt.
A Legion of Criminals, truth be told.
Since pardons are granted for those who have committed criminal acts, I guess we have a bunch of senators who have criminal records!!
Oh, he lad the turd this morning instead of yesterday.
And Democrats destroy any moral authority they may have once had (i.e., Nixon's pardon by Ford). They will be seen as the party of official corruption for 50 years. To update Michelle Obama: "When Republicans go low, we go lower. We go down into hell."
How do these blanket pardons work when there is no crime specified? Could Fauchi (hypothetically) empty his deep freezer of several dead bodies in front of the press tomorrow? Are there any carve outs? I know the Hunter pardon had a convenient 10 year window. This is a genuine question, if anyone knows the answer. The AP article didn't help.
It’s KAK!!!
Not Mud.
I do suspect, before the week is over, for Dana or some other DC Foxie to declare that prosecutions would be counterproductive and ‘it’s time to move on’. Washington will still try to protect its own…
“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement.
These pardons are not mistaken at all. We understand completely.
Eleven. Eleven years. Strange they chose not to round down. For some strange strange reason…
Per the crazy folks who went after the Supreme Court justices (as Democrats turned a blind eye), I suspect there will be more crazies targeting those who were pardoned.
Advice to all pardoned today: Keep your head on a swivel. Grow eyes on the back of your head. Hire a food taster.
Liz Cheney, “I am not a crook.”
“After forty-three years of faithful service in uniform to our nation, protecting and defending the Constitution, I do not wish to spend whatever remaining time the Lord grants me fighting those who unjustly might seek retribution for perceived slights,” Milley said. “I do not want to put my family, my friends, and those with whom I served through the resulting distraction, expense, and anxiety.”
Tell that to Michael Flynn you A-hole.
So why haven't I heard about Trump making it his first official act to lay down a blanket pardon of Biden along with a bill of particulars that would make the Declaration of Independence blush?
I like that idea!
I don’t think the pardon power includes blanket immunity from prosecution to begin with. I’d like to see this challenged. People permanently affected by COVID could have standing against Fauci, for one possible approach.
Likely reaction:
* Spend 3 years investigating
* Spend 3 years prosecuting
* Spend 5 years waiting for the Supreme Court to rule
* File parallel civil suits
* File parallel RICO suits
* Wait on the courts and wait some more
--> Pin them down for the rest of their lives in a mirror image of anti-Trump, anti-Giulani law fare cases.
Obama's actions on gain-of-function research date to October 17, 2014 -- 11 years ago. This is when they started outsourcing to China. Transparent reasoning...
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/10/17/doing-diligence-assess-risks-and-benefits-life-sciences-gain-function-research
I believe Kinzinger is on record stating he didn't need or want a pardon. Will he accept it?
I wonder who will decline. Perhaps they’ve already accepted ahead of announcement, though.
Pelosi not immune, apparently.
In 2017 when Trump arrived, probably 2/3rds to 3/4ths of everyone in power in DC wanted him gone. Now, a majority apparently support him. Some of them are dirty or were dirty, but they saw Biden's actions and entered the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend mindset. Routine DC sausage making.
Scapegoats will be found to protect half of the guilty.
A TACIT ADMISSION OF GUILT
So when Trump pardons all of those charged or convicted for J6 during his inaugural address, nobody will object?
Roger that. The real insurrection of Jan 6, 2021 was when Gen. Milley ignored the US Constitution is his oath to defend it and told China that he would not accept lawful orders from the Commander and Chief with out letting them know, as requested by the Speaker of the House that he do so. Gen. Milley should have resigned if he had issues with his leadership. Instead he committed insubordination in furtherance of usurpation of power by the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
Originally I wasn't in favor of investigations, but this changes things. Since they can't be prosecuted, investigations can't be characterized retribution. Now, their guilt doesn't need to be proven, but they need to prove their innocence.
Biden could’ve pardoned all the J6 prisoners, too, along with the committee. That would have been uniting.
I expect we haven’t heard the end of the list here at 8:30AM. Perhaps on the back of the successful invention of the Blanket Pardon (tm) we’ll see the implementation of the Blanket Pardon List (patent pending), immunizing any and every of our political allies, named and unnamed, for any and every crime real or imagined, committed or yet to be committed. You know, something akin to the genie granting your wish for unlimited more wishes…
Also all the officers that testified?? WTH? From X:
Joe Biden Inaguration Day: "...I am exercising my authority under the Constitution to pardon General Mark A. Milley, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Members of Congress and staff who served on the Select Committee, and the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan police officers who testified before the Select Committee."
The issuance of these pardons should be understood as an acknowledgment that these individuals engaged in wrongdoing, their acceptance should be construed as an admission of guilt.
There is a popular belief that the Nuremberg trials punished and purged almost the entirely of the command and bureaucratic structure of the Nazis. This is not true. Less than 100 Nazis were actually convicted, imprisoned or executed. The same absence of justice seems likely to apply to Biden, Fauci and the other criminals who perpetrated the COVID epidemic and the sabotage of the 2020 election.
Don't wonder. The answer is no. He's a turnip.
It's Mudd. Not mud.
A gift to Trump, who probably had no real intention of going after any of these people anyway. Gotta sell coins, people, and commemorative Bibles and Christmas ornaments. And watches. Special, special watches.
Now the media can swoop in to explain how Biden had no choice but to issue these pardons because of Trump.
If the President can issue preemptive pardons what's to stop a future pres from issuing blanket pardons to a select group and then telling them to go out and commit crimes?
This could have never happened if Joe Biden was alive.
Biden did this because that's how much of a nut job Trump is.
LOL. So, our great Congressional heroes who were fighting for Democracy and putting "Country over Party" now get a pardon for crimes they committed "Searching for the truth".
Biden just admitted the whole J6 Committee was a lets put Trump and his associates in jail from the beginning. And if nots an "admission of guilt" why issue a pardon for none crimes? Or wait till the last day?
The same thing is true of Tratiorous General Millie Vannilli. He probably broke several laws including contacting foreign governments and telling them our current military posture without authorization, and disobeying direct orders and lying to the Commander in Chief.
Biden pardoned a megalomaniac. Fauci.
Maybe that fixes the italics...
as Clyde points out, now this people will be forced to state
"i have no recollection" just like Hilary! did
It just goes to show you the difference between the D's and the R's. GIve a DC Democrat a power and he will use it to utmost to help "the cause" and his friends. Tradition and precedent be damned. Meanwhile, the R's are always patting themselves on the back for being "moderate" and "obeying the rules and traditions". What dumb goobers!
TRump needs to pardon all the J6ers. No half measures. No "gosh we will go through every case individually". Do what the Demcorats would do if the postion was reversed. Blanket Pardon.
Come on, everyone. It is ALL Trump's fault!
Actually, it is a gift to Trump. He can (and will) shoot his mouth off about these creeps, but he never has to do anything. He neither has to put up nor shut up. Endless grievance.
They ALL committed crimes and EVERYONE knows it.
It did! Whiskeybum, learn to close your tags
within a year or so, Democrats will try to change the scope of the presidential authority to issue pardons. But let us pretend all of this is normal.blanket pardons for un named crimes. The old soviet model of government can't hold a candle to the current 3d world admin in america.
Rather, like Sallys post above, lets blame someone else for the crapfest this admin has created.
In 3d world countries more advanced than this one, outgoing presidents who issue such orders usually end up standing on a chair with a noose around their neck.
so yeah, move on, get over your petty grievances, and play the game. Never mind that what we are upset about is almost identical to what caused our founders to go to war with England. tsk tsk, please don't annoy our betters with facts.
The juxtaposition of this "pardoning" vs the "pardoning" of all of the J6 defendents later today will be fun to watch how the "main stream media" twists and turns! How do you spell "yabut"
Of course he does! He was elected to restore norms by being normal and here's some restorative normality in the course of issuing normal old pardons, as normally done on the last normal day in office.
Thank you for proving my point. Well done.
These are the first ever presidential pardons with NO CRIME listed as being absolved. Even the Catholic church requires a penitent to name their sin in order to ask for absolution. I don't think this is going to end the way the SJWs running Joe's autopen think it will.
Since it seems we’re now issuing pardons for all actions, real or imagined, in the past, perhaps Trump can issue preemptive pardons for all actions, real and imagined in the future for all members of his family and administration. That would light a fire in the press!
Yes should this withstand SCOTUS review, presidents will issue preemptive pardons to their advisors, staff and allies as part of the first-day and last-day flurries of XO.
"It's just that sonuvabitch Johnson and this goddam war!" Readering quotes Forrest Gump
Ya don't need a pardon if ya've done nothing wrong. All of them are now tainted.
I expect that he'll pardon himself to avoid any issues with classified docs or corruption, along with his inner circle who covered up his mental decline, at the very last minute.
Tomorrow morning, Congress should announce the creation of a committee to investigate these pardons, and then subpoena Biden. Let his spend five hours in front of a committee answering questions about how he came to the decision to pardon these folks, or else constantly invoking executive privilege. Either way will be enlightening.
Double-edged sword, a smear and a favor wrapped in one tidy swipe of presidential auto-pen. Perhaps unconstitutional, certainly blatant partisan lawfare, from the president most likely in need of a pardon himself. But preemptive pardon signals acknowledgment crimes were committed. The bios of these high-profile lawfare partisans, Cheney, Fauci, Milley et al, will now begin with "preemptively pardoned during last hours of Biden presidency, for unnamed crimes, treasonous acts of lawfare, and blatant personal profiteering from national crises..."
Fauci truly deserves investigation, prosecution, and conviction, for his personal role in misdirecting federal actions for AIDS and Covid epidemics, his personal profiteering from NIH patents, his intentional policy misdirection and misinformation, and the many many people who DIED because of Fauci vile actions and nonactions. Fauci is an evil troll.
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These are the first ever presidential pardons with NO CRIME listed as being absolved.
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I also wonder if a generic blanket pardon (J6 staff) is legal since there are no specific names. Who qualifies as staff?
Makes you wonder if the family pardons are coming as he walks out the White House. Maybe even himself.
The pardon does not prevent any other nation from prosecuting Fauci.
There is a Supreme Court Case, Burdick v US, that holds that an acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt.
Guilty as hell, free as a bird, just like unrepetent domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.
And sued. And charged in state courts.
Joseph Robinette Biden (or his handlers) has 2.5 hours to pardon himself.
In Burdick, Wilson pardoned Burdick to avoid Burdick’s pleading the fifth. The SCt held that Burdick had the right to refuse the pardon in part because accepting a pardon was an admission of guilt.
This must be challenged as an unwarranted use of the legitimate presidential power to pardon people for specified crimes that they have already been judged in a court of law and resulted in a conviction. The "blanket pardon" for unspecified crimes or other actions creates a very dangerous precedent.
As an example of where this might lead, what if Trump signed the following pardon today: "I, Donald J Trump, hereby pardon any citizen who harms anyone who was just pardoned by my predecessor. This should not be taken as a call for vigilante action but as an act of pre-emptive mercy for patriotic citizens who mistakenly seek justice for treasonous acts against this country."
Now he can. Thanks Biden!!!
Why are you blaming me? I closed my tags with command "" as you can see with the last characters of my last post not being italicized. And I also confirmed by looking at my post after it was posted...
Says the guy who is okay with guilty as hell government officials using their power to fundamentally transform America into a Progressive ghetto.
Unfortunately I suspect the pardons are the signal to the un-DC unwashed masses that any issues with the Biden administration are over and resolved, according to the DC washed-and-coiffed masses. We shall see…
Thank god Biden (i.e., WH staff) has restored our norms. /sarc
Usually, I couldn't care less what the NeverTrumpers have to say, but I do wonder how they're going to spin this. Will they just stick with the moronic "Trump made them do it" line or will they at least try a creative explanation?
“It's Mudd. Not mud.”
It’s “Mud”.
A popular belief is that the term comes from Dr Samuel Mudd, who set John Wilkes Booth’s leg after the latter assasinated Lincoln. However, the term long predates Dr Mudd, and the name Mud means a stupid or foolish person.
Another popular misconception is that Mudd was innocent of the conspiracy and was just a country doctor who set a broken leg. However Mudd had met Booth a couple of times before the assassination, and even provided supplies for Booth’s plans. By the time Mudd set Booth’s leg, Mudd was aware that Lincoln had been assassinated. And he was slow to report setting the leg to the authorities.
The only unresolved question with Dr Mudd is if he only partook of Booth’s initial plan to kidnap Lincoln, or if he was aware of the later plan to kill him.
"It’s unclear whether those pardoned by Biden would need to apply for the clemency or accept the president’s offer. Acceptance could be seen as a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, validating years of attacks by Trump and his supporters, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes...."
But.... where is the list? The story was written without providing a list of exactly who was bestowed with a pardon. We don't even have a round number. How many pardons were issued, anyway?
And: It must have been quite a conundrum for the cabal. Do we wager that Trump doesn't prosecute any of our team, and maybe secure a conviction of 'guilty' - or do we grant a pardon in advance, and remove all doubt?
They've removed all doubt. The phone lines must have been jammed up.
Isn't Ford's pardon of Nixon the precedent? He pardoned "for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."
The Democrats seem to do a lot of things where they can’t identify an underlying crime.
And does the pardon include Michael Byrd? I was really hoping he'd be prosecuted for murder.
While it's been uncommon this is not the first time a President has issued pardons for crimes not charged or convicted. There's the obvious case of Nixon but Carter did it for Vietnam era draft evaders, Johnson did it for Confederates after the Civil War, and Washington did it for participants in the Whiskey Rebellion. It has generally been unnamed persons who might have committed specific crimes are pardoned for those offenses. I think this is the first time since Ford's pardon of Nixon that specific persons have been pardoned for unspecified crimes, and certainly the first time such pardons have been issued en mass.
@Rocco: Also watch the goofy Primus video My Name is Mud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko
Biden did Bondi, Blanche, Bove and Sauer a favor.
I'm wondering if Trump or his allies will go after the Democratic judges who kept the lawfare going (e.g., Jan 6 prosecutions) and other prosecutors (Jack Smith, etc.) now. Corruption? Conspiracy? Chilling effect?
Now they are not pardoned from STATE laws... So any citizen that feels they have been wronged by them can sue... especially those in prison now due to their actions. Sue in STATE court.
Hillary wasn't even *investigated* by the DOJ under Trump in 2017. That was all the Obama crew with an eye to producing the "not indicted" outcome which is now the apparently very low standard (with "not convicted" coming up fast) to which you Democrats hold your leadership. So, go cry somewhere else.
There's no need to accept the pardon unless and until one needs to make use of it. So we'll see if that happens.
Interesting. Thank you.
Yeah, I think so but without naming him ... from Breezy's comment above ... "the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan police officers who testified before the Select Committee." I'm betting that's why that's in there, along with the high probability their public testimony was perjurious.
and everybody railroaded by J6 persecutions.
Blanket pardons have happened a number of times, usually unnamed people for specific crimes. Ford's for Nixon was probably the first time a specific person was pardoned for unspecified crimes.
I'm not a lawyer. Does this mean Fauci can't be chopped into little bitty pieces and buried alive?
I’m thinking the same. I’m sure some country would like to know why he was funding research that created the Covid variant that killed millions of people worldwide.
I, Mudd
https://youtu.be/9ewORU9ZQV4?feature=shared
I’m not seeing anything preventing it. It may be against the law, but Biden has shown that illegal activity can be excused by a pardon.
I agree with that. Maybe exclude some notorious cases, or just commute their sentences but the rest need full pardons before the end of the week.
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Joe Biden is simply everything the press ever accused Donald Trump of being.
It was all projection.
The process is the punishment. Let the process begin.
Its only relevant because Trump insists on running the country as some personal vendetta machine against arbitrarily chosen targets:
Normal heads of state generally don't do this kind of stuff. Why can't Trump just pretend to be even vaguely normal?
James K raised the question of Micheal Byrd who murdered Ashli Babbit. I suspect that's why this was included and phrased so he wasn't named, along with prosecutions for perjury for the rest.
Hopefully their misdeeds can all still be exposed and their reputations updated accordingly.
Does Biden even know he did this?
It's absurd to think that people can be pardoned for crimes not yet adjudicated, much less those not yet charged or even known. Surely our Founding Fathers did not mean for this sort of thing to be included in the pardon power.
I hope Trump goes ahead and investigates them all in exhaustive detail -- with vigorous prosecution of any new instances of perjury, obstruction of justice, contempt of court, or contempt of Congress that may occur along the way -- and takes it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. Some aggressive prosecution by Texas and Florida and other red states seems to be in order too. These scum should be hit back ten times harder than they hit Trump.
He's not even in office yet. Settle down. Breathe into a bag. Everything's going to be okay.
Say goodbye to Abby Normal and hello to Normal.
Probably will say nothing at all, now.
Maybe I missed it somewhere along the way, but is this even legal?
Doesn't matter. The Supreme Court has decided that nothing is illegal if the president was acting in his official capacity. Let's see them wriggle out of that ridiculous misinterpretation of the constitution (although I am sure they will find a way).
"I hearby pardon Whiskeybum for this and any future unclosed tags from 2010 to the year 2100."
Yours sincerely
Joe Biden.
So you can overrule a law forbidding gain of function research because you think it wasn't that risky, and millions can die, and the entire world economy can be set back, and a generation of school children are set back, and you are covered by a non specific pardon. Wow.
Millions are dead, lots of children were denied ever meeting their grandparents.
"For justice, we must go to Donald Corleone."
They can sue anyway if they had a claim yesterday. Of course there's that thing the statute of limitations.
Not unless it's in one of Trump's bazillion executive orders. Maybe he can find a septic tank and proclaim it the Gulf of Cheney.
Joseph Robinette Biden has a little over 1.5 hours to pardon himself.
More projection.
"Normal heads of state generally don't do this kind of stuff"
LOL, Joe Biden just spent four years punishing his political enemies. If he hadn't, this wouldn't even be an issue.
The US sent a diplomatic cable to Pakistan telling them that they had to remove their prime minister, Imran Kahn, who was the most popular politician in the country, and he said that out loud, and was arrested and imprisoned for "revealing state secrets." This was on Joe Biden's orders.
There are lots of examples of governments in the past four years, closely aligned with Joe Biden, using the law to hold on to power.
Why bother, he has already been deemed too senile to prosecute.
If the pardon isn't accepted then it expires at noon today is an argument that can be made.
Yup are right that Nixon's crimes were unspecified. But at least the recipient was specified.
If you want him buried alive make sure at least one of the pieces is big.
@Freder: I don't think illegal pardons are the issue here, as no one will bother prosecuting the senile puppet Biden for actions he did not understand that were completed by the hidden people who moved his hand in signing them. The issue is whether pardons are logically possible and enforceable, given that no-one has been charged with or convicted of any crime.
Still, these pardons give Trump and the MAGA Republicans an immediate and massive credibility boost versus all hostile political actions and propaganda from 2015 to 2025. The Republicans may revisit everyone who was not "pardoned" to expose, bankrupt, and humiliate. Perhaps this will mirror anti-Trump lawfare. Sane politicians would have seen this coming, but TDS was real.
It is very interesting that that the AP used quotes around revenge. I would have just expected them to try and restate it as a fact.
The issuance of the pardons is an indication the Biden Administration believes they are guilty of something and accepting it is also evidence of guilt. Now lets sue these people into penury with their own testimony which can't invoke the 5th Amendment and all their phone and e-mail logs from the government servers which haven't ended up in the Potomac already.
A bit of a departure from the axiom to "avoid the appearance of impropriety" in government work.
@ Readering
When the time comes, I'll trust the experts to get it right.
Now we can just have a commission to capture the facts of what was done without all the bother of people fearing prosecution. Going after individuals seems like revenge, but developing the historical record in public is what we need.
Though I generally agree with Chris B's input, his examples tend to support my assertion above, with the exception of Nixon, which was an exceptional circumstance but also prescribed by the dates he included (similar to Hunter's). I have not seen the text of Biden's yet and am not sure if it is delineated by specific dates.
Carter did it explicitly for those who evaded the draft, a felony. The Civil War and Whiskey Rebellion where both insurrections, punishable under those statutes.
I have read that the ussc once ruled that the presidential pardons apply to "all crimes known to the United States." But what about crimes unknown to the US?
Lawyers expect to be paid for their arguments and clients expect their arguments to stand a chance to pay their lawyers.
I just read two of the three and Fauci's goes all the way back to 3 years prior to Trump entering office in 2021. How odd. What WAS Fauci up to in 2014 for which he would be liable now?
"Hillary wasn't even *investigated* by the DOJ under Trump in 2017. "
Yep.
need an example of "projection" ? look No further!
Preemptive pardons. This is such bullshit. I'd like to see this tested at the SC. Just cuz it's been done before (Nixon) and nobody squawked doesn't make it legal.
Vindman's wife is bitching about them not getting one.
She's seems a talker.
Chick has it exactly right. The process is the punishment. We don't really need to give them convictions and jail time...they're essentially acknowledging guilt already. The sweet and appropriate revenge is to bankrupt every single one of them through multiple endless investigations (and lawyer fees).
I remember Doonesbury... Guilty!, Guilty!, Guilty!.
Sounds like it is served up cold.
Was Jim Biden omitted from the newest pardon list?
@BUMBLE BEE, my first thought too!
.... and their aides as well!
Interesting.
See Readering at 7:46am for your answer.
This is what fascism looks like.
"Its only relevant because Trump insists on running the country as some personal vendetta machine against arbitrarily chosen targets:"
Don't you ever tire of being a bullshit machine? Provide some examples.
yes. Go after them anyway. Make them pay for their lies.
I like the idea of pre-emptive pardons issued on the first day in office for any offences committed during one's term in office INCLUDING procedural "crimes," and contempt of court for refusing to testify. That way the White House could just get down to work without worrying. You see, Biden is certifying that merely accusing people in damaging - as we all know - but a Dem President is certifying The Fact. So now we can agree that it's the intent of lawfare to cause damage and we know it's the intent of the left to do lawfare - so why not cut them right off. Illegal? The lawfare is wrong but not illegal and till it's illegal and thus stopped, effective opposition is not wrong and not illegal. Later, a Constitutional Amendment forbidding both lawfare and preemptive pardons against lawfare?
Yeah. And the partisan hacks here defend it because "democrats". Disgusting.
And his crime family.
Anthony Blinken for money laundering. He paid Joe Biden a million dollars to teach a no-show class at Penn. That's how Blinken got his gig as Secretary of State. Biden's only appearances at Penn were all events that required paid admission.
Fauci’s response, via a Democrat stooge:
Jonathan Karl
@jonkarl
Dr. Anthony Fauci tells me he appreciates the pardon, but he committed no crime:
"I really truly appreciate the action President Biden has taken today on my behalf. Let me be perfectly clear, Jon, I have committed no crime, you know that, and there are no possible grounds for any allegation or threat of criminal investigation or prosecution of me."
To which Donald Trump, Jr. replied:
He doesn’t have to accept the pardon. If he did nothing wrong be a man and turn it down… But you know he won’t because everyone knows he’s guilty of so much.
“So much” includes the callous murder of millions of Americans.
Deep State Identified.
It seems to me that such a broad and untested use of Presidential power should be, ah, examined.
That is the impression it gives. It would be nice if we could ask what they are being pardoned for. Now that they can't be prosecuted for it.
It’s nice to see Democrats acknowledge that “lawfare” is a thing.
Not of course that they’d ever be guilty of it.
I hope these pardons cement the Democrat Party as the Party of Corruption forever. May they never be in positions of power again. The democrat Party in its current corrupt form - must die.
So, if Fauci says he declines the pardon can he claim to accept it in the future, Readering, after noon today?
Found the actual pardon on X (obviously MSM is lacking). Indeed it's is back to 2014. Seems to be limited to matters, "... arising from or in any manner tapered to his service as Director of [NAIAD]..."
*related to (cursed autocorrect)
So- how long do think it will be before the NYT comes out with an article explaining why someone who has committed no crimes needs a pardon?
Pardons for Joe's family and for Fauci are for the same period of time as the Hunter Biden pardon, eleven years. It really is crying out for Congressional Investigation.
"I have no idea," would be the standard response, you can be sure.
It seems to me that pardoning Fauci and Hunter going all the way back to 2014 implicates Obama. As I've pointed out before, the "Big Guy" who got 10% of Hunter's "earnings" was not Joe Biden, as everyone seems to assume. Hunter himself complained that his father took 50%. That means that the Big Guy must be Obama: no one else could be called that in that context. Worth investigating!
As for punishment, it may not be possible to jail any of the Bidens, even Joe, but it seems to me that Congress could declare him a swinish failure of a pseudo-president and refuse to pay for a Biden presidential library or any kind of monument. Could they even forbid him to build a presidential library and pay for it himself? Worth a try! And if Obama is clearly implicated in any of the crimes Fauci and Hunter were pardoned for, cancel his library, too. I hear the people of Chicago don't want it, anyway.
Today: seven. Listed as Warrants 1-7 at the bottom of this DOJ page. They make it difficult to copy the text.
Yeah I think those are "either/or" but difficult to do both at the same time. Certainly you could bury him alive first, then come back later and do the chopping.
Among your other many and widely acknowledged deficiencies you have a serious logic problem in attempting to link arbitrary targets and "personal vendetta." If it's personal then he knows who wronged him and is targeting them. But if he knows them and is purposely targeting them they are in no way randomly selected. You are a good candidate for AI proofreading as it would help your sentence construction and reduce logical errors that your own pea-sized brain is incapable of recognizing.
If anybody doesn't know, yes he did. But apparently stopped short of a self-pardon. I guess under the Hur standard he figures he doesn't need one.
LOL saw that on X. Of course last month it was "we don't want or need one" and now it's "why not us?"
As Lawnerd noted above, the controlling standard is Burdick v US, that holds that an acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt, however unless subjected to a court proceeding a pardon doesn't have to be announced to be effective (though I guess that usually happens). United States v. Wilson established that it is possible to reject a pardon.
My reading of the brief Wiki summary of Burdick v. United States is that Fauci would be best served by keeping his mouth shut (unlike Milley). A pardon can be declined in order to preserve the right to avoid self-incrimination but I can't see anything that says it can be invoked and revoked at will. My guess would be that the ones Biden has issued can be, however, so long as different charges charges are brought.
I disagree it implicates Obama, Dr Weevil. It's more a matter of when the alleged offenses occurred than anything Obama would necessarily have been involved in. Federal funding for Gain of Function research was banned in 2014, and it appears that 2014 is when the Biden Crime Family realized they needed to start cashing in on Joe's remaining two years in office since Obama wasn't going to support a bid for the Presidency.
more to the point >> can the recipients cash in on the pardons >>> get paid to confess crimes by others during the period?
1. Biden pardons innocent people which now renders them guilty. 2. Judge Merchan issues a "sentence" of unconditional discharge to a guilty Trump which now renders him innocent.
did FJB fuck thing up by not pardoning Obama ?
or USSC has already given that pass to O
I just heard that just before Vance and Trump were sworn in Biden issued blanket pardons for half a dozen members of his family. I wonder what sort of shenanigans THEY might have been up to? Hmmm... (Actually, I have a pretty good idea of what they were doing and I have to assume they're all guilty as hell.)
No asserting the Fifth. Perjury looms.
Fraudchi and the Biden crime family are not "arbitrary " targets-they have also been found to have lied by Congressional oversight.
Isn't it a little too early in the day Rich for you to start eating glue paste already??
I'm reminded of Mark Slackmeyer in Doonesbury when Mitchell died: "Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty" Probability that Democratic Shill Garry Trudeau addresses this in his strip: 0. Nothing to see here if you're a Democratic Loyalist.
Civil suits aren't criminal prosecution. Further- he would have to testify about everything. Including all information on the vaccine that isn't.
Time for you to rejoin teh skittle haired people of your tribe, Readering.
Be well.
The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense.......
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any of you law maven detect tinges of 9A ? language
did AI filch from BoR
or is boilerplate legalese
It sounds like there was a lot of crime going on for so many people to need blanket pardons.
MJB -- Wuhan's plan for gain of function research started then, I believe. Wiki: "In 2014, the WIV's National Bio-safety Laboratory was built at a cost of 300 million yuan (US$44 million), in collaboration and with assistance from the French government's CIRI lab). The new laboratory building has 3000 m2 of BSL-4 space, and also 20 BSL-2 and two BSL-3 laboratories"
Enigma at 7:09AM below provides a better sourced explanation.
Michael Mann, of Hockey-Stick fame, claimed to be a Nobel laureate when the IPCC got the Nobel a few years back, so I'm guessing anyone with any association whatsoever will qualify, at least if it is a DC federal judge deciding.
Now, Jaq -- Blinken also organized the 51 intelligence people to pour the "Russian influence" lie on Hunter's laptop story. The million dollars for a no-show was only a small part of his landing the SoS job.
I don't think the 10% was to Obama. When Jim got $4 million, they "repaid a loan" to Joe for $400k. That is a clue that the 10% was to Joe.
Biden did this because that's how much of a nut job Trump is.
It's going to be a long and painful four years for you.
Good.
I tried to make an intelligent comment re the pardons and it disappeared. See "Burdick vs US 1925" in which SCOTUS says accepting the pardon is, in effect, admission of guilt. There's some difference of opinion, but SCOTUS has not changed its language. Bunch of guilty bastards.
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