Said Bret Stephens, in "A Second Trump Term? Three Conservative Columnists Unpack What Could Happen" (NYT). The other 2 columnists are Ross Douthat and David French.
Douthat invites French to say something nice about MAGA. French says:
While I love and respect many, many people who vote for Trump, I do not have anything good to say about the MAGA movement itself. Perhaps you have to be embedded in deep-red communities to see its effect on the ground, but I have never seen people go deep into MAGA without profound negative effects on their character, their temperament and their relationships with people outside MAGA....
I wonder how many people who've gone "deep into MAGA" he could have monitored. You'd have to know someone awfully well to sincerely believe you knew about "profound negative effects on their character, their temperament and their relationships." Does this illusion of monitoring and knowing have an effect on your own character? I wouldn't even purport to know what it means to "go deep into MAGA." It sounds like condescension from the morally smug self-serving elite.
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1 – 200 of 222 Newer› Newest»"I don’t think of it as a collection of unadulterated bigots." How generous of Bret Stephens, doubtless bucking the vibes of all the decent people he knows. As for David French, he is not bothering to understand the MAGA movement, or why half the country feels it is entirely necessary. Condescension from morally smug self-serving elite? You betcha!
These comments say more about those three rather than the MAGA movement. All three are poor political analysts.
Soft-landing for their readership, who shortly will need lots and lots of therapy.
I don’t care for people like these twits referring to me as ‘ordinary’. If you’re going to be condescending at least do it from a position of stature. Analysts have collected data showing propagandists are currently about the lowest members of American civilization. Lower than people living off the labors of others. Even lower than US Congressmen, normally the lowest of the low…
Donald Trump is leading by 4 in NC according to the latest polls and leads, but by smaller percentages, in every single swing state that Harris needs.
Trump also leads nationally, according to the latest poll.
If this were the 1980s, and "Deep Into MAGA" were to gain currency, then the dirty movie parody would pretty much write itself.
Trump’s in trouble. Harris has nailed the crucial white supremacy endorsement.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/us-news/prominent-white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-kamala-harris/
Poor observers of America in general. Too cloistered in their bubble.
Stephens continues to talk gibberish
I wonder if the New York Times would pay me for my opinions on the social life of the bonobo, because I probably know just as much first hand. But sure, I bet that if Douhat, or whoever said it, came out for Trump, it would have severe negative social repercussions.
Investment advice - worth every penny you paid for it. This presumes Trump wins...On line therapy has grown substantially in the past few years. If there is a key player in this field that is publicly traded buy, buy, buy. If it uses AI to "treat" as many clients as needed, double down. There will be hundreds of thousands of coastal "elites" (i.e. well off) individuals that will really, really need such a service.
Apparently David French has never been to Florida.
I assume French would label my town "deep into MAGA". Trump signs everywhere, not a Harris to be seen. I know what French doesn't like: if he came to my town and talked to people, they wouldn't share his assumptions about the world. He'd be a minority, and in a social situation people would think he's wrong about things. No one would think he's smart, but I doubt we'd say it to his face.
"I also think it’s important to acknowledge that, as much as I detest Trump the man, there are sides of the MAGA movement that deserve respect."
"Circle jerk" is a slang term that refers to groups such as MAGA that share the same viewpoint and always engage in agreement without considering other perspectives. The term is always used in a negative sense and suggests that MAGA, the cult, is a totally closed-minded and self-centered group.
Why would MAGAts expect unassociated folks like me to ever say nice things about these circle jerkers?
“Most Trump voters I know are decent people who don’t like being condescended to by a morally smug and self-serving elite that fails to see the many ways in which the federal government fails ordinary people.”
The self-serving elite aren’t “failing to see”, they are actively creating the mechanisms that fail ordinary people. Open borders, releasing criminals, mutilating children, climate scam, etc. exemplify their malice toward us.
Yes the people yelling joy out of an off broadway remake of children of thr corn
Also the people who epstein accomplice hoffman tries to yank their own voters
This is like the scene for 1984 where Winston Smith's friend makes small talk about the propaganda on the tellscreen as if it were the actual news.
When you go into the voting booth tomorrow ... you need to think long and hard about the kind of political party that would murder P'nut the Squirrel.
Vote hard.
More projection from gadfly.
With Harris cruising to victory like you guys claim, I would think that you guys would be in a warm and happy mood, and yet bitterness is all I see.
2016 caught the elite unprepared. What is happening now is they see an end to their grift. People no longer give a damn what they say or think about anything.
The window has shifted, and they aren't even close to it anymore.
He writes what he feels is expected of him. Like a Chinese Eng Lit student writing on the Scotch Ballads.
rehajm said...
"...these twits referring to me as ‘ordinary’."
Hey politician, can't believe a word you say
Almighty media, whose truth d'you sell today?
Watchdog of justice, who keeps their eye on you?
Con man, song in hand, who you singin' to?
The more I get to see, the less I understand
I'm just another ordinary man.
Ordinary man
Comes a time to take a stand.
No rest for the wicked - they get it while they can
The preachers and the teachers and your local Congressman
Everybody plays the game they played since time began
Lawyers and accountant - your media man.
...
Power finds a way to those who take a stand
Stand up ordinary man.
- Ordinary Man, Triumph (1981)
Yes,
David French is no conservative. He is a big government leftist.
Remember when "Workers of the World, Unite" was a slogan that the left embraced? Now it turns out that they don't actually like working people very much. In fact they hate them. Which makes it easier to support policies like fighting inflation, not at its source, but by surpassing wages of working people through migration. Well, fighting inflation at its source would harm the interests of the people who bought the media to protect those interests!
Mass migration drowns out any wage growth were seeing in it real time
Well that settles it. We can vote for a rational and efficient Federal Government, but we must never discuss politics or religion. All discussions are a monopoly owned by the MSM and any violators will be cancelled by BIG BROTHER and arrested by hundreds of thousands of his Federal Agents on pretend charges while that Orange Hitler Convicted Criminal leader is shot down like a rabid dog.
Got it.
If Trump voters aren't who they are speaking for, and Harris voters aren't who they are speaking for, then what tiny slice of America does this trio represent?
Shouldn't this have the "pre-postmortem" tag?
If you think suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story tipped the balance in the election, does that put you deep into MAGA?
If you can’t explain the other side’s argument, you don’t understand it.
Like an IMAX Tim. Gadfly has no idea Hung Cao and Lily Tang Williams even exist, let alone that they are running as MAGA. He should watch the video of Tang Williams taking Jake Sullivan’s smug wife to the woodshed in the NH debate. We are all witnessing a tectonic political shift where minorities and union workers are flocking back to the party of Reagan because of the deadly combo democrats present of incompetence arrogance and insouciance.
It’s an ugly repellent position.
"Stephens: I think there’s plenty of life left in normie conservatism, if I can use that term."
No Bret, you can't use that term. The term is 'establishment Republicans' to refer to the party that doesn't attract many African-Americans, Latinos or young people because it doesn't care about working class concerns or push back against transgenderism.
Excellent point Breezy.
Three token "conservatives" who haven't voted Republican in decades, and the best thing they can say about the side they supposedly belong to is that there are "aspects" of it that "deserve respect". Two can't even manage that. Gee, thanks guys. Glad you're representing "the right" to the legacy media.
Scottish Ballads. Scotch is a drink. 'Uisge Beatha' in Scottish Gaelic. Slàinte
To these credentialed idiots “normie conservatism” and “saving conservatism” somehow always ends up being “vote for the most progressive democrat.”
Conservative columnists? Hardy-har-har.
"Trump supporters are the kind of guys you'd like to smack in the ass." - Joe Biden, encouraging violence against Republicans.
I for one would really, really like to see Joe Biden getting his ass beat down by Donald Trump.
I'm not going to live in a country where the Deep State CIA/NSA/FBI and running psy ops like they did in 2020 against the American people.
Perhaps what I resent most in the news media is that for six years they have deliberately excluded Trump supporters from their "discussions" and then proclaim incomprehension about what could motivate half the nation to support him.
What does it mean to be deep into MAGA?
I can only monitor these three NYT columnists at this time, and I observe they have a profoundly negative opinion of others and a poor temperament that I think prevents them from building new relationships. In short, they are narcissists.
I think these three chimps arent worth any more attention
Deep into MAGA=Being more conservative than Joy Behar
I encourage Biden to keep talking…;)!
people go deep into MAGA without profound "negative" effects on their character, their temperament and their relationships with people outside MAGA....
Absolutely!
They no longer politely lose
They no longer give up their seats to yelling screaming old biddies
They no longer think, "Well, the republicans haven't done anything, but at least they've slowed down the dems.. a little bit"
MAGA people want to WIN! they are TIRED of picking people that LOSE
"It sounds like condescension from the morally smug self-serving elite."
Exactly. Let's start with the subjective definition of MAGA, let alone "deep into MAGA".
Like Stephens, I am not a fan of DJT. I have detested him going back to the 80's in NY. He has my vote. He has the vote of a majority of people like me, educated business people who were also blue collar workers. If you go down the checklist of issues (e.g. open borders, energy policy, spending), it's easy to realize Trumps positions are preferable to Harris. It is no longer just a matter of preference. The Democrat platform has gone off the rails in the race to the left, that a continuation of their control will embed their policies into the distant future with near impossible reversibility. Freedom of dissent will be removed.
There's the plaid pattern on Scotch Tape to account for then.
Derve the Perv, in duplicate. You created two copies of your 6:54 post. BTW, since when do you have contrary 'thoughts'? You only repost the daily libtard talking points.
Stephens has a clue, at least. MAGA was alive and growing long before Trump first tossed his hat into the ring, or gave the movement a label.
As for French's idiotic remark as to its "negative effects on...their relationships with people outside MAGA", gee, could it be because of the treatment they've received from all the brainwashed fools who equate a red hat with a swastika?
David French makes his living reassuring NYT readers that Trump voters are racist and evil.
How to Undermine America
A "Chat GPT" analysis
Most Trump voters I know are decent people who don’t like being condescended to by a morally smug and self-serving elite that fails to see the many ways in which the federal government fails ordinary people.
"Thank you Mr. President. You made it possible for ordinary people like us to meet you," he says shaking hands with Trump. "You are not ordinary," Trump replied.
See the difference in how the Elites and Trump view people?
"Deep MAGA". What does that even mean? They don't even know what MAGA means.
Is Scotch Tape a Scottish product manufactured in Scotland by Scots?
Do you take your Scotch Tape on the rocks or neat?
YouTube: Jordan Peterson analyses Trump’s personality
I don’t put much stock on a man who says he “detests” another man.
[David French’s opinion] sounds like condescension from the morally smug self-serving elite.
It sounds that way because, of course, it is that way (as Althouse knows full well). Eight years and two weeks ago Peggy Noonan ended her column with this observation;
“It’s the big fact of American life now, isn’t it? That we are patronized by our inferiors.“
True. Perfectly true.
If it’s not hopscotch, butterscotch, Scotch tape, Scotch-Irish, or Scotch whiskey, it’s got to be Scots or Scottish.
The Scotch branding is actually a dig at stereotypical Scottish thriftiness as the first users of the product thought it was cheap i.e. poorly made.
Now you know the rest of the story.
That ... bullshit ought to sentence you to go to automatic moderation. Why would you make people scroll through that? If you want to play games, do it in your own space.
As if calling people "MAGAts" is a sign of independent thinking. Never seen that one before.
The Democrat bots don't want people reading Althouse comments.
David French speaks for me. Patriot. Leader. Visionary.
What you said.
I know they don't want to lose their jobs as the house conservatives at the NYT, but French and Stephens are really embarrassing.
Douthat is the only pro-lifer and the only Republican that is still working at that rag.
“Perhaps you have to be embedded in deep-red communities to see its effect on the ground…”
All you really need to know about David French is that he does live in such a place: Franklin, TN just south of Nashville. It’s been named many times as one of the best places to live. But also in the county the free Nashville rag describes as the “heart of white Christian nationalism.” So he knows very well.
"profound negative effects on their character,". I.e, anyone with the chutzpah to disagree with me and, who do these people think they are !!? These three clowns, a bunch of panty waist putzs. These are the same idiots who don't know anyone who owns and drives a pick up truck and who ,if they have ever owned and worn flannel, iron and starch it. They would panic if they had to unclog their own toilet. These people are commonly referred to as prey.
someone deserves a perm delete
The word, nevertheless, is Scotch.
Personally, I'd welcome hearing one of our highly evolved, elite leftist commenters here explain in detail why wanting to "make America great again" is such a terrible thing and makes someone a cult member. Free speech, the right to bear arms, legal and controlled immigration, standard biology definitions of sex without mutilation of adolescents, standard pronouns without coercion, etc., seem like pretty unoffensive beliefs that people could live with.
Inga, gadfly, please give us the benefit of your advanced wisdom and explain to us why such things make us cult members and Nazis.
Also, before we eat breakfast, we check to see if Bret Stephens has yet brushed ink to paper?
Used to be CPUSA Newsletter and Storm Front, but now we're moving towards the center.
I can feel it
What a drag, waking up Sunday morning to puddles of blogarrhea everywhere. My sympathies to the hostess !
All three of these jokers would have been better served to have premised their message on the Democrats they so closely align with; they understand them far better, being from that club. This attempt was a case of the three blind zoologists, defining the elephant by touch, but with little actual comprehension. They're still clueless about where the attraction lies, and why.
Don't give him any ideas. Those assholes need to stay out of Florida.
Freedom's the plan
Trump's our man
GARBAGE CAN.
'Deep Into Maga' sounds like the title of a porn movie.
"...then he leaned over, and whispered in Peggy's ear: "They're not your inferiors."
Agree, Breezy…
As for myself, I can’t understand - much less abide - insufferably effete twits.
People like burt stevens are saying stuff like "I detest Trump" but they never say why. And often when they do they why, they say something that untrue or exaggerated. But then the level of hatred toward Trump is almost unheard of in POTUS history. Even Nixon wasn't this hated.
There's some motivation or reason that isn't being discussed. I don't know what it is. Maybe they just fear that Trump MAY do something "Terrible" because he's not controlled opposition. BTW, if you want to know how much they Hate Trump - look at the reaction to the assassination attempt and Trump getting shot in the head. No sympathy from them. And back to calling him a fascist/Nazi in three days time.
‘fly jumped the turd… AGAIN!
Unexpectedly. /sarc
Here is French, who plays the "As a Christian..." card every other column and he's more intolerant of Trump supporters than Burt Stevens who's a athiest jew.
but I have never seen people go deep into MAGA without profound negative effects on their character, their temperament and their relationships with people outside MAGA.
And what vaporous nonsense. Their temperment and their character?! What the hell does that even mean. How can your support for Trump affect your character? This seems to be a roundabout way to insult Trump supporters.
I think I've heard more Blather about "Character" from Never trumpers in the last 9 years, then in the 40 years before that. And when you try to pin them down about how this supposed "Character" of Trump and his supporters is so bad, they dodge and weave and give you lies or more vague generalities.
Who? You or French?
I agree with what you wrote. I blame it 90% on D control of media, arts, academia, & culture. Remember W's line (holding bullhorn and arm draped across older firefighter) to the WTC firefighters on 9/14/2001 "I can hear you, the rest of the world hears you, and the people who knocked these building down will hear from all of us soon". That, IMO, would be in all textbooks and would be memorialized in NYC, NY, and places all around the country if he were a D.
To answer the set of questions Althouse raises I don't believe French knows any "deep MAGA" and that phrase itself betrays his aloof opionating. My hunch is his knowledge is second or third hand from the people who have shunned their MAGA relatives because we all know people who have ended relationships or cut off contact with someone because they can't abide that the other person could vote for the racist-rapist-tyrant-felon. Those relationships ending anecdotes always track the same well worn path.
I noticed Althouse didn't quote Ross Doughnut. Because no one does.
Say one nice thing!
NO!
Children.
It is interesting that this post has caused one of fragile progressive commenters to completely lose it.
Maybe the NY Times could send a few interns to conduct an anthropology study by living among some Deep MAGA for a while to observe and document our behaviors "in the wild". They might even win another Pullet Surprise for such a study.
Joe has another kind of smack in mind? See also: sucking on kiddies.
Kamala can't.
Garbage Can.
Correctamundo - It isn't GARBAGE CAN'T.
You'd still be left wanting the answer because I have asked that specific question IRL and what I get is their projections about making America great with such tired bromides it sounds like a Rush Limbaugh parody from 30 years ago. In the MAGA haters view it's always a racist sexist homophobic turn back to the 1950s bullshit zyraw MAGA that bears no resemblance to Trump's agenda or first term. It's much like the anti-Project 2025 rhetoric: all they do is lie about it and beat down their straw man.
Election CHEATING is occurring all across the United States. Fox reports on 4 heavily Democrat towns in Georgia violating Georgia Election law to count fake "absentee" ballots over the weekend with no election observers around (because they'd been told the offices would close.)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-gop-threatens-lawsuit-against-deep-blue-fulton-county-over-extended-absentee-voting
I sincerely hope the NY Times sends some of their agents into Deep Maga.
On First Looking Into the Heart of An Acceptable Conservative.
He said to me, gravely:
Never go MAGA
Or you'll go gaga.
I responded quietly,
enigmatically:
Garbage Can.
"We lived among the Maga tribe for several weeks, and were surprised to see that they walk upright, and care for their young..."
There is no way that the women of America will vote for Donald trump in enough votes for him to be elected. They will not elect a court judged sexual abuser ,a convicted felon and a foul violence threatening person to be the President of this great country(its not like a garbage can)It will not even be close ,just like the red wave failure of 22 and the failure of the right in the last elections . "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is established by God" For the agnostics and non believers in God, have trust in America ,trump will be defeated and it will not even be close. God has a sense of humor but HE knows this aint no laughing matter. Write in down..
Oh, stop your beef teh both of you. You can’t have any haggis if you don’t stop your beef!
The Peanut-The-Squirrel murdering New York DEC head law enforcement officer, Karen Pryzklek, has deleted her Twitter account.
This is a play to paint themselves as moderate - which most people would identify (sic) as - such that what they have said before has been moderate, thus those that are moderate should support those that have been promoted before.
"While the Right/MAGA/Deplorables do have some points, and are not complete Nazis, they are just misguided and wrong. You don't want to be misguided and wrong, do you? There is a solution, you know, you just have to check the correct box."
Well said, Mike (MJB Wolf)!
A "round table" of New York Times columnists literally is a "circle jerk."
Likeminded people abound in the world and form their own cliques. It would help if we recognized that half the country can't be a clique or a "circle jerk."
No the reason women wont vote for TRump isn't because he's a sexist. Its because more women than men are low-information voters who get their news from TV and MSM. Plus, more women than men are conformists who just want to do what's "fashionable".
And btw, if you look at the history of the USA, you'll see women were GIVEN the right to vote. There was no great demand for it. Because most women like to be "Good little girls" they go out and vote, but deep down most of them think of politics as a bother.
A douchebag, a bedbug, and a cuck enter a studio......
The party of violence, intolerance, and mob-like retribution? We have the receipts.
All three are making the "conservative case for voting for the extreme left-wing"- you don't need to know anything more about any of the three "men".
Dinky don’t! Dinky don’t!
Leave your poo where you do
Nuh uh, Dinky don’t.
Haggis is made from a sheep's liver, heart and tongue and a bunch of spices and stuff stuffed into a sheep's stomach. Served with neeps. No beef! :>)
It's an acquired taste. Like Scotch.
Shorter David French: I don't like those boys. They laughed at me.
“We aren’t gonna take it.
Never did and never will.”
David French is convinced that the MAGA folk have sold or given away their souls and draws his conclusions from that. They are heretics and backsliders, so they must be reprobates in all things. Frenchie has a 16th century mind.
Also, if he really does live in Tennessee and there are any people there who know what he writes, he probably has had to put up with plenty of sneers and jeers. But that doesn't say anything about his neighbors' private lives or relationships, any more than the sneers and jeers of Times writers at Trump do about their own lives and relationships.
The Democrat Party Operation in a nutshell.
Yeah, one man’s haggis is another man’s puddi… ah, never mind…
Fat chance. because the reverse is true.The real cultists are all on the left.
In which Eric Hovde stars
So there would be no confusion, Bret Stephens prefaced his grudging concession that the deplorables might have a point with a prominent display of his morally smug, self-serving elite membership card.
Remember when Reagan identified the federal government as one of the greatest impediments to American citizens' success in life? Remember when Contract With America got elected by promising to at least hold votes on subjects of interest to the public? Remember when the Tea Party watched government become a system of enrichment for elected officials doing insider trading and said, "Enough!" Remember when Obama weaponized the federal government against political opposition? Remember "Drain the Swamp" and the Resistance to that?
So here we are with MAGA being deplorable and garbage, and the people saying those things being the ones who got MAGA created out of pure frustration with their incompetent, corrupt, but elected authoritarianism.
If MAGA is a problem for them, they really, really, really won't like what succeeds it to oppose them.
David French
Released a stench
The epilogue?
He kicked the dog
which means the Democrat is getting screwed, Mark.
Eff ett’s nae Scottish, ett’s cddrrraaap!
https://youtu.be/9kptp9SmM5Y?si=0_A7Uu0P3KjmQIf4
JSM
"If Trump voters aren't who they are speaking for, and Harris voters aren't who they are speaking for, then what tiny slice of America does this trio represent?"
You are obviously missing the huge section of American voters yearning for a return to the Bush-Cheney Regency.
I'm curious why Stevens detests Trump the man. Does he even know him? Or does he detest Trump as reported? Stevens seems to waste a lot of energy on Trump, thinking about Trump, writing about Trump, that isn't healthy.
"Three conservative columnists"? WTF?
"I wonder how many people who've gone "deep into MAGA" he could have monitored."
The safe bet is "Fewer than one".
"But also in the county the free Nashville rag describes as the “heart of white Christian nationalism.” Of course it does. I used to be a big fan of the local free rags (City Pages in Mpls/St. Paul, Isthmus in Madison, The Crazy Shepard in Milwaukee, and whatever I found in a city I was visiting. I was mostly interested in the local music and restaurant reviews but usually read the whole cage liner. Nothing, and I mean nothing, was more predictable than their ultra-liberal politics and contempt for the suburbs. The idea that their view of a suburb bears any resemblance to reality is laughable
Surprisingly, Wausau (pop. 40,000) still supports a City Pages clone.
"'Circle jerk' is a slang term that refers to groups such as MAGA..." types gadfly with one hand while furiously and fruitlessly jacking off with the other.
The "women won't vote for Trump" line is repeated as gospel truth.
Trump won a majority of the votes of white women in 2016 (running against a white woman). He won a larger majority of white women's votes in 2020.
You can (I suppose) try to explain it as some version of "racism" (although to say that a majority of white women are "racists" because they prefer one white man over another seems awfully unfair to white women).
But you cannot argue that "women" won't vote for Trump.
“SHITTER’S FULL!
Vote Trump!”
—— Randy Quaid
https://x.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/1852730648517050505
The amyls are affecting his stroke.
@tim, I have to agree with you about Douhat. (Autocorrect tried to change the name to "Dingbat" -- I wonder what it knows about the man that I don't?)
Your comment reminds me that right after Trump's 2016 victory a number of opinion writers -- David Brooks most prominently -- pledged to go out into the hinterlands (how they spell "heartland") to investigate these strange MAGA creatures. A total "Gorillas in the Mist" vibe. How many of them got west of Newark except to board planes to fly them to Left Coast cities, I do not know, but probably not many.
Over at today's issue of Bari Weiss's Free Press there is an article by Larissa Phillips, who describes herself as a "lifelong leftist" but who has spent a decade liveing on a farm "on the wrong side of the Hudson River" (a phrase that I assume means something to native New Yawkas). She found herself evolving as she "keep(s) finding reasons to see [her] political adversaries as human.
For Phillips the trigger event seems to come when a teenaged boy, a friend of her daughter's, discovers that she's a Liberal (gasp!) and refuses to come to her house anymore. Shoe on the other foot apparently pinches a bit, you know? Anyway, it does make it harder for Phillips to "spurn those who vote differently," which is a good thing I think.
That’s what I get for trying to quell a beef!
I came and tried to promote peace and left feeling sheepish.
Yeah, and that's how AI works, too.
""I don’t think of it as a collection of unadulterated bigots."
The only thing I can think to say to that is 'fuck you'. What an ass.
They are all JEALOUS of him. He accomplished a HELL of a lot more than any or all of them put together, and his wife is beautiful to boot. They can't compete with a man who actually ran businesses when we all can see how well politicians handle money.
Jabfly, inspired by WApo non-endorsement CYA prank, calls himself unassociated. More like disassociated. Many supporters of Trump feel pressure to keep it to themselves because pompous Liberals in their workplace, school and social circles start up political discussion from the standpoint of only an idiot would think that way. They don't actually know the politics of the people in front of them but frame it as an aggressive assumption because they can't imagine seeing things another way.
Three Blind Mice
Funny, watching the 3-hour Rogan interview, I was struck by how personable Trump is. "Not liking Trump" is simply another social-class signifier, like drinking Scotch and not Rum & Coke, or driving a flash BMW SUV rather than a used Ford sedan, but not a meaningful assessment of the man's personality per se.
Hope Tammy gives as good as she gets.
"I think these three chimps arent [sic] worth any more attention."
Put these three chimps in a room with three typewriters and you'll get three versions of "Orange Man Bad" in under 5 minutes.
For the first time in his life David French is being tolerated — barely — by the cool kids, so he’s not going to do or say a single thing that will change that.
More can't we just get along bs.
At the very least, I expected French to offer a snotty backhanded comment, such as:
"OK. For a fat guy, Trump doesn't sweat much".
And I thought it was Ross Doubt-That. Sorry.
More like house negroes.
Word.
Somehow hate has become a virtue that one can be proud to signal.
If you hate the right people.
Yes.
Derve appears to be a "rabies vector species ".
#HateLovesAbortion progresses to #HateTrumpsLove a progressive condition.
ooo this is fun.
Apparently - A white woman in pink is eavesdropping into a conversation at the next table, between some pro-Trump black women. White democrat female proceeds to insult and question their education and intelligence.
(at first I couldn't not tell what/wz what - but - watch til' the end. It's very clear)
Here's an extract from a 6-26-24 David French interview with PBS. I think it shows how UnChristian and dishonest French is. Notice how he's constantly saying Christians who disagree with him are RACIST or BAD, without offering any proof:
So, what happened is that my wife and I had been members of a church called Presbyterian Church in America for a long time, more than 15 years. And it had become -- but unfortunately, over the course of the eight or nine years of the Trump era, it had become not hospitable to us.
Now, again, not everybody, our pastors were with us, close friends were with us, but we kept having deeply disturbing confrontations at church. I
mean, people would say -- make grotesquely racist remarks. People -- an elder said to me about my own wife, keep -- can't you keep your wife under
control about her opposition to Trump, when she was kind of -- when they were having a post-church discussion. I was confronted at communion table
by somebody who's a Trump supporter. And this is just a very, very partial list of the things that happened.
Now, again, when I say my pastors kept supporting me, the church actually took disciplinary action against this person to prevent them -- to try to
prevent them from doing this ever again. But one of the things that happened is people just kept confronting us. And even the most well-meaning
pastors could not shield us from the sense that if we're arriving at church, there's a good chance, when we get there, that somebody's going to
confront me or my wife or one of my kids over Donald Trump.
And so, we began attending a multiethnic church in Nashville that has no trace of, you know, that kind of MAGA Christianity in it.
This is a man who is/was CONSTANTLY saying "As a Christian..." in his political columns. AND constantly attacking other Chrisitans who were Pro-Trump or rightwing and scolding them for not living by what Jesus taught.
Yet, when "Confronted" - he claims this is out-of-bounds and "racist"!
"an elder said to me about my own wife, keep -- can't you keep your wife under control about her opposition to Trump, " Hmmm...about that..
Not my experience at all. Single women, sure. They tend to have no social conscience. But married ones, or even divorced or widowed mothers? No. My partner and her sister do disagree on abortion, but not on Trump. And if a woman does her research, she knows that Trump is staying out of the abortion debate as much as he possibly can. Much bigger things to care about. Only stupid or ignorant women (and woman wannabes like Walz) vote for Harris based on abortion - there is very little a President can do in that area. He doesn’t have the power to legalize it nationwide, nor does Congress.
What did Derve say that got removed?
Respect I shouldn't have left Whitehouse in 2020 "At one point, the former president, who has been the target of at least two assassination attempts, said he “wouldn’t mind” if a gunman aiming at him also shot through the “the fake news.”
“I have this piece of glass here. But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news,” Trump said at a rally in Lititz, Pennsylvania. “And I don’t mind that so much. I don’t mind.” Yeah continue promoting shooting and 9 guns shooting Cheney in the face and dont mind if you shoot through reporters ,no wonder the Republican leaning shooters were so anxious to shoot this fella,thats what they talk about..SIC.. soon AND NOT SOON ENOUGH .THIS ILL OLD MAN WILL BE SENT PACKING and they'll drag his butt out if tries his crap this time,you now he is already planning on stalling to January 2oth when Harris beats him decisively, wont be close..America ,like a garbage can,,get the FUK out...
What sort of range of medications would you say have been prescribed for you over the years?
Clean up on aisle Perv!
Dinky is the long lost 6th Stooge.
I'll use this later on the open thread- but are women really just one issue voters on abortion? Apparently not.
Roanoke College Women’s Swim Team Endorses Trump as He Pledges to End ‘Gender Insanity’
“Our experience was an emotional rollercoaster ride that I don’t want any girl to ever go through. … We felt unheard and unseen by the NCAA, our school, and lawmakers who told us that we had to deal with it ourselves.”
"Three Conservative Columnists"
Hilarious.
I suspect a high blood level of MSNBC. But we couldalso be talking something congenital.
The WAPO has made a backhanded endorsement. Headline: "In a bathroom stall, a simple message: Vote Harris. No one will know."
From now on, you may refer to dropping a deuce as "Voting for Harris."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/03/harris-wife-trump-husband-ad/
Two days before the beginning of the end of election month, and I'm seeing articles of why polling is so difficult for the usual pollsters. It goes something like this:
Media and the left: "Conservative Trump supporters, and especially MAGA-supporting men shouldn't be able to vote or even exist".
And also, "Trump supporters, and especially MAGA supporting men aren't responding to our polls and we don't understand why. So our polls might be off a bit".
These three GOP establishment political "analysts" have no idea of the beliefs of conservative or Trump supporters. They pretend they do but I doubt even a one of them has sat down with conservative and listened with an open mind to learn their reasons for supporting Trump. They have a caricature of a MAGA supporting conservative in their head, and that's what they base their opinions upon.
like the women cheating ad will these writers vote for Trump but not write about it?
Derve piddled all over the record
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