On a flight with Mr. Trump and his family after the election, an Oval Office assistant heard Mr. Trump say: “It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell.”
Did he say that? I'll assume he did. The assistant could have misheard or misunderstood the context or have misremembered or be lying. And how do I know this assistant is a real person who is saying precisely that? But let's assume Trump said it — in private, to his family. What does it say about him? You fight until the end. You fight and win or you go down fighting, but you don't give up. That's Trump's mindset.
On the debate stage in 2016, asked to say something nice about Hillary, Trump said "She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. I respect that":
And in 2020, before the election, Hillary Clinton was still manifesting that fighting spirit that Trump respected as she sternly warned Democrats: "Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances!" Don't give an inch! Be... relentless," she said:
Do you believe in fighting for your cause to the bitter end? Maybe it's better to concede when you can see defeat ahead, but some people fight until there's no conceivably possible route to success. Is there one last attenuated legal path of relief? That's how far Trump fought. And what about the additional moves, the grasping at illegitimate power? That's what the prosecutors mean to prove, using material like "It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell."
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Here - Why Non-Citizens Should Be Allowed to Vote
"If Trump can’t manage his own wife from publicly coming out in favor of abortion one month before the election, he definitely can’t manage this country. "
Stew Peters
We all know that this is the reason for the invasion or illegals and the support from NGOs and Biden/Harris. Ruy Texeira has a couple of books and some articles about it although he seems less enthusiastic lately.
Enter another lefty troll.
Mutant Man thinks Trump will ban abortion. He has said no but you lefty mind readers know better.
Stew Peters is pro "wife-managing" eh? Is his pimphand firmer than Doug Emhoff's? Maybe they could be buddies!
Please, Steven, list the facts that were ignored by Trump.
Please, no. I barely made it through his first paragraph of bullshit before scrolling on.
Stew peters is a hamas apologist
It didn't use to be this way until Trump.
It's not Trump's fault you people have lost your fucking minds. Nor is it his fault you're trying to kill him.
Fredster Troll, you actually cited nothing at all. You put quotes around something you wrote and claimed with no evidence, no citation, no context that Trump said it. You might as well tell us how Trump grabbed at the steering wheel of “the beast” on Jan. 6th to try and figh at the Capitol. It still is a baseless lie, but someone in Trump’s White House did at least make such a statement. You are useless waste of Althouse commenters time.
Oh brother. Jim, it is YOU people who have lost your fucking minds. Listen to yourselves, the accusations, the fervent belief in the Big Lie and all manner of crazy conspiracy theories.
How would Trump manage to ban abortion nationwide, especially in those states where it is legal? And who would enforce it? Or is it just an outright lie?
DJT DC case.
“Facts” & allegations “supported” by evidence (testimony, statements, documents) that hasn’t been subject to cross examination or confrontational techniques are not properly or constitutionally established.
They thus cannot satisfy the govt’s burden of proof."
If you recall Katy Perry was supposed to perfrom at the victory party in the Javits Center - the one with the glass ceiling. The one that didn't become a virotcy party. Some of the press noted Katy Perry arriving at the Javits Center that evening, but nobody described her departure. I would love to see all the raw footage from that evening as the air was let out of their balloon. It was a beautiful moment. Earlier that day I went to the church that was used as our polling place, on the small Gulf coast island where I was living at the time and stood in line to vote. I recall thinking that Hillary was going to win, but what I was goign to do was to reduce her margin of victory by one vote in the State of Florida. That evening as the results began to shape up there was that moment when you thought, hey...wait a minute, he still has a chance... Some seem to have forgotten that Trump poured concrete six feet thick all over Hillary's chances of ever being an elected national leader. It was a great thing. And all the bullshit that was scripted and cued and ready to flow at the Javits center that evening got the big cut and never happened, including this stupid song. DJT, you magnificent bastard!
"Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records."
Robert, no, he wasn't. That's a misdemeanor crime in New York. You need to tell us what the felonies are that Trump was convicted of.
Cook - the Democrats are the party of the rich. ..and the party of grift and corruption.
FEMA is broke because Biden Harris spent all of it on Illegals.
Folks impacted by the violent storms - are being held hostage by FEMA. Waht are FEMA doing? Asking for donations. LOL. Anyone with a brain - DO NOT DOMATE TO FEMA!
Election Interference:
"DJT DC case.
“Facts” & allegations “supported” by evidence (testimony, statements, documents) that hasn’t been subject to cross examination or confrontational techniques are not properly or constitutionally established.
They thus cannot satisfy the govt’s burden of proof."
-Leslie McAdoo Gordon
more to come...
F-off with your Mutt ’splaining, Mutt.
Apparently you’re oblivious that ballot harvesting was legalized between the Obama and Biden elections. Trump stupidly discouraged early voting in 2020, a mistake he’s attempting to reverse this year.
Given the current state of affairs, the incompetence we’ve witnessed and what ALL we’ve had to live through these last 44 months, if you think things will improve under a Kamala Harris presidency (spits on the ground), you must have excrement for brains.
Kamala Harris and Liz Cheney are together at an event in Ripon WI, the birthplace of the Republican Party. Seeing them together gives me hope that this long nightmare of Trumpism may soon really be over. The Trumpublican party can’t be gone soon enough. And when the election is over, wouldn’t it be wonderful if the Trump’s quietly leave the country and seek refuge in one of their favorite authoritarian countries, but Trump may be in jail by then. Maybe he could be given the option of jail or banishment.
it is YOU people who have lost your fucking minds. Listen to yourselves, the accusations, the fervent belief in the Big Lie and all manner of crazy conspiracy theories.
As a retired psychologist, it is my opinion that the two most primitive defense mechanisms are projection and denial.
By primitive, I refer to people with limited cognitive ability and sophistication.
The level of projection coming from Democrats in this election cycle indicates their sense of desperation as it also does their intense appeal to primitive thinkers.
Inga is an obvious example, but the DNC believes that such individuals are the base of their party.
Good to see Harris embracing a loser overwhelmingly rejected by voters in the state she represented and by the Republican Party.
A couple of nefarious individuals.
I hear they're bussing in the crowd as usual, Inag. Will you be aboard?
Tina Peters is a delusional moron. That said - CO is very blue and what she did amounted to jack squat.
Good to see Harris clutching Cheney to her bosom. It takes a courageous cluelessness to glom on to a politician so overwhelmingly rejected - with extreme prejudice - by her state’s voters and the Republican Party.
They know their bench is hollow and that they've parted with fundamental American values long ago. They traded independence for safety and they know admitting that means the destruction of their party for decades if not all time (this used to happen frequently in American politics...no one remembers the free soil whigs anymore).
They'd rather die. Independence for security...they'll have neither.
If there are any classical Republicans left in these comments sections, it’s worth finding the event in Ripon, WI on YouTube and listening to Liz Cheney’s remarks.
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From the post:
"IDemocratic National Conviction."
If ever there was a fortuitous typo, this is tops.
Fredo Thinks that all these lawfare cases will survive appeal.
No, Cook, you are just lying.
Now we learn why Bich is hanging around a place where he is not welcome.
Seeing them together gives me hope that this long nightmare of Trumpism may soon really be over. The Trumpublican party can’t be gone soon enough.
Seventy five million people voted for Trump. If you think we're going away post-Trump, you're dumber than I thought.
Oh brother. Jim, it is YOU people who have lost your fucking minds. Listen to yourselves, the accusations, the fervent belief in the Big Lie and all manner of crazy conspiracy theories.
You're talking about conspiracy theories? YOU, of all people?
Your insane hatred of Trump and Trump supporters speaks volumes. And none of it good.
In short, you're nuts. And not very bright.
Getting your clock cleaned in November will drive you over the edge.
Oh no doubt you Trumpublicans will still be here in these comments sections blabbering away about the latest conspiracy theory and at the usual right wing hangouts and the more extreme right wing hangouts, but Trumpism without Trump is going to go away with a whimper eventually and not with a bang the way you would like to think. Classical Republicans have already been leaving the Trumpublican party in droves.
All's fair in lust and abortion.
She’s always quick with an ‘of course meant to say’ to help out the disabled on the left…
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Liz Cheney is a fraud. How she handled the Jan 6 committee proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
YOU radical leftists can have her.
Putting aside, for a moment, the questions of whether there was or was not significant vote fraud and/or manipulation in the 2020 election, it is undeniable that, by my own conservative estimate, at least 50 million American voters strongly believe that the current voting system is broken, corrupted and untrustworthy.
In response to this, rather than pledging to investigate the issue and address those concerns, to ensure transparency, reliability and trust, the political class has turned on the questioners, denouncing them as kooks and conspiracy theorists, and viciously punishing anyone of political prominence who has the temerity to dispute the claim that the election, and the election system, was and is completely fair and above board.
While we have the largest and most rapid expansion of the use of absentee balloting (the method most susceptible to fraud) in history.
If you don't have questions about this, you aren't paying attention.
In response to Althouse's query, I am not a "fight to the bitter end" person.
But the idea that a politician, whether it be Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump or Al Gore or Al Franken, can or should be prosecuted for fighting to the bitter end is absolutely anathema to me.
"the political class has turned on the questioners, denouncing them as kooks and conspiracy theorists, and viciously punishing anyone of political prominence who has the temerity to dispute the claim that the election, and the election system, was and is completely fair and above board."
Mel Brooks, as Governor Lepetomane : "We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!"
Your lips to God’s ear, Jim at. Insanity and subnormal intelligence is a bad combination and she is obviously struggling and unsuccessfully dealing with it.
A baby fights for her life after an attempted abortion. A nurse enters wielding a machete.... scalpel to complete the human rite for climate progress and other purposes in a sanctuary State.
Reporting Animal Cruelty - Humane Society of Utah
Working Hard to Fight Animal Cruelty
Fight! Fight!
"The buck stops with Joe." Lulz... You don't really think that, do you? Biden was the guy who had to get permission to field press questions. To think that Biden is in charge of anything is even more absurd than the belief that Barry Obama is running things.
For some of us it's kinda hard to "get over" the fact that one party tried to overturn the results of a free and fair election and stormed the Capitol, and now are running the same candidate who refuses to admit he lost last time.
Seems kinda important?
Sally… what don’t you understand about Biden/Harris &Co.’s ruination of our nation?
This is true, but the situation is even worse than this, I think. Look at the present disaster recovery in the Southeasten USA. Even the sympathetic media is communicating a tepid, small-scale, almost half-hearted response in its stories. There is no drive, no sense of urgency or emergency, no forceful energy being poured onto the efforts to respond. Not many briefings being aired. I was talking with a firefighter from Houston tonight and he couldn't understand it, either. And now, the news that FEMA is out of money, having apparently mal-appropriated it for housing and cell phones and SNAP cards for Illegal Aliens, many of whom have been invited to the US, some of whom used a phone app to get in, some of whom rode on airplanes chartered by the US !
Here we are, a month from a Presidential election, and this is the incumbent party's response, the incumbent that controls the media ! !
It's not just a missed opportunity, it's a clear message that they could really not care less about their voting populace. Do they imagine that unaffected parts of the country aren't going to notice? There's 4 long weeks before election day, and early voting starts in a couple of weeks in many places. Do they really think going to a rally with Liz Cheney is the right look?
Cook said, "I think it more likely the whole event was staged "
OK. Prove it.
These comments are Trumpian in their disregard for the facts.
RideSpaceMountain: According to you every Republican election official, Republican Secretary of State, Republican Governor, Republican judge, Republican slate legislature, Republican US AG, Trump investigator, expert or lawyer, Republican member of the US Congress or Republican VP who determined that Trump's claims were groundless "has been found to be unconscionably biased against Trump" long before the election was decided. Tell me, where are those "findings?"
One Fine Day: The only factual claim that you make is demonstrably false.
According to you, it's a "myth" that any lawsuits were thrown out on the merits. Having read numerous court opinions resolving Trump's claims on the merits, I know that you can't be relying on personal knowledge of the opinions. But don't rely on me: below is a link to a detailed, careful, and fully referenced study by leading Republican lawyers and judges. The money quote: "Of the 64 cases brought by Trump and his supporters, twenty were dismissed before a hearing on the merits, fourteen were voluntarily dismissed by Trump and his supporters before a hearing on the merits, and 30 cases included a hearing on the merits. Only in one Pennsylvania case involving far too few votes to overturn the results did Trump and his supporters prevail." So, what is your source for the contrary conclusion?
The link is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aqorZ61AYFqZU-EDQBBzjqfvAoC5nKcB/view
Drago: I have commented here many times, on this precise issue. So tell me, do you think that Mike Pence had the unreviewable authority to throw out the electoral slates from the swing states on the basis of theories that those states had rejected, that the courts had rejected, and that the Executive and Legislative branches had rejected? And if so, what's your source?
I am happy to provide a list, Yancey, if you are prepared to read what I say, and not dismiss it as partisan ranting. Are you willing to actually discuss judicial rulings and evidence?
The number of people who continue to falsely claim on this blog that none of Trump's claims were heard on the merits is shocking. Any fool can google and read many opinions finding that Trump's legal claims--and particularly his claims of fraud, were without merit. To repeat what I said above, a team of leading Republican judges and lawyers summarized the facts this way: "Of the 64 cases brought by Trump and his supporters, twenty were dismissed before a hearing on the merits, fourteen were voluntarily dismissed by Trump and his supporters before a hearing on the merits, and 30 cases included a hearing on the merits. Only in one Pennsylvania case involving far too few votes to overturn the results did Trump and his supporters prevail." Get that: 30 cases were decided on the merits, not zero, as so many of you are claiming.
Of course, having a fraud claim rejected on the merits is not the only way that a fraud claim can fail. It can also fail because the lawyers investigating it conclude that it has no merit and can't be filed without risking sanctions. Several Trump lawyers did just that. And many others who looked at the claims, including Trump's own experts, concluded that they were baseless.
On this issue, you folks are doing what Trump himself did: intentionally avoiding and refusing to follow up any evidence, however easily accessed and compelling, that does not fit your preconceived view. On this issue, at least, there is no excuse for not getting real.
Chuckles.
If Trump wins, he should come out to Fight Song for his speech. It would be a historic troll moment!
For a guy enamored of "facts", Robert, you are consistantly short of them. Props for emotion though. You got that knocked.
Inga. Is our constitution a cult? What rights should we abolish or modify?
Cook said without a hint of irony. " I hate him(Trump), he's scum." Childish, no?
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