October 21, 2024

"Once European fashion houses stopped pretending that they were ignorant of Black culture, they began to openly feed on it."

"Sagging had made young Black men objects of scorn, particularly by the paternalists—Bill Cosby, the father; Barack Obama, the politician; and Eric Adams, the cop—who had each done their separate campaigns admonishing the brothers for not pulling up their pants. The derision was predicated on protection. Black man, make them respect you by your dress. Black man, hold yourself high. Legislation against sagging—modern morality ordinances, passed in municipalities in states such as New Jersey, Illinois, and Michigan, and across the South—became a possible pretense for arrests. In February, 2019, in Shreveport, Louisiana, Anthony Childs died while being chased by police, who pursued him for a 'saggy pants' violation. They engaged in gunfire, and although the coroner ruled Childs’s death the result of a self-inflicted wound, he was killed in a confrontation that never should have happened in the first place. Did Balenciaga care? The brand’s sweatpants, looked at through the prism of death and disrespect, were a real problem and a sort of social evil, conjuring bodies in effigy."

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34 comments:

mongo said...

I don't see saggy pants as a moral issue - it's just a fashion statement. However, the age old statement that you can't legislate morality certainly applies here. I hope the Shreveport police have trouble sleeping at night.

Lazarus said...

The brand’s sweatpants, looked at through the prism of death and disrespect, were a real problem and a sort of social evil, conjuring bodies in effigy.

This is where the "Sure, Jan" meme works well.

jaydub said...

The low-slung pants worn by the denizens of the Hood actually mimic prisoners who have had their belts taken away, thus can't hold their pants up. In prison it's a homosexual tease. It's always been remarkable to me that this particular fashion has been adopted by young black men (and some white wannabe's.)

n.n said...

Diversity fashion.

Richard Dolan said...

'Did Balenciaga care? The brand’s sweatpants, looked at through the prism of death and disrespect, were a real problem and a sort of social evil, conjuring bodies in effigy."

These problematic sweatpants are right up there with evil racist highways and overpasses. Probably makes sense to get a new prism before looking at these things again.

M said...

“Luxury” brands don’t fill an actual need, they are a way to social signal. Modern black American culture is extremely shallow. It is entirely based on sports and entertainment. Both of which are propped up by the massive transfer of wealth from the upper and middle classes to the welfare class. So people who have never bought a house or quality, generational furniture spend what money they do have on “luxury” goods like purses, branded athletic wear and shoes. This phenomenon was almost completely created by easy welfare money being pumped into black ghettos that allows people to waste their resources on things they see black entertainers wearing. It’s pathetic, incredibly sad.

traditionalguy said...

In judge Joe Brown YouTube interviews it is explained as a claim to be a State Penitentiary veteran. It seems to survive the young men must submit to an older man for protection, and that means total availability to gay anal rape. Hence their pants pulled must always be pulled down for access.

That’s not a culture the Althouse Commenters are familiar with. But it’s a brag like the teardrop tats claiming one is a killer.

Tina Trent said...

Mongo. That crime story was misreported. Childs was high on meth and acting crazy, resisted arrest, pulled his gun on the (black) officer first, then shot himself, possibly even accidently because he was struggling with his pants as he tried to kill the officer. Majority-black people passed the sagging pants laws.

Ironically, had he obeyed the sagging pants law in the first place, he might have handled his weapon better. That law could have saved his life.

I'm guessing you never lived and worked in a majority black city. The "style" wasn't just showing a bit of underpants: it was using safety pins to pin the top of your pants to the botton of your underwear, frequently exposing genitals and stain marks, the latter sometimes transferred to the MARTA seats "moral" people had to share.

The designers at Balenciaga are just silly people. You know who really disrespects youts with their pants down below their undies? Elderly black women.

In 2017, Shreveport achieved the rare status of having even higher rates of violent crime than in the early 1990s.

narciso said...

Looking like a bum isnt good for any culture

mccullough said...

Living Nostalgia

n.n said...

Pants On The Ground

... looking like a fool with your pants on the ground. Classic.

mongo said...

Thanks, Tina. I should have known better than to trust the news report.

Joe Bar said...

Wait. Why? Did the yout pull a gun on the cops?

CJinPA said...

The late Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called it "defining deviancy down." The New Yorker passionately advocating men showing their underwear in public is a lovely example of lowering standards.
It's probably what our culture does best.

n.n said...

Blacks are not a bloc act. Try again, Diversitist.

Jupiter said...

"Did Balenciaga care?"
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at the farcical suicide of Anthony Childs.

Jupiter said...

Yeah, if I were a cop in Shreveport, I would definitely sleep with one eye open.

Jupiter said...

"The brand’s sweatpants, looked at through the prism of death and disrespect, were a real problem and a sort of social evil, conjuring bodies in effigy."

I confess, that particular analytical approach had not occurred to me. Sweatpants conjuring bodies in effigy may well be a much more widespread problem than I had previously understood. Good catch, New Yorker!

narciso said...

You should have a quality fabric dontcha think

boatbuilder said...

In February, 2019, in Shreveport, Louisiana, Anthony Childs died while being chased by police, who pursued him for a 'saggy pants' violation. They engaged in gunfire, and although the coroner ruled Childs’s death the result of a self-inflicted wound, he was killed in a confrontation that never should have happened in the first place.
That is one carefully worded sentence.
Moral of the story--Saggy pants make it hard to run away from the cops.
Also a question--where do you carry your piece if you are wearing pants that are already falling down?

Josephbleau said...

"Wait. Why? Did the yout pull a gun on the cops? "

If you carry a gun and choose to use it to evade police scrutiny, there is no hope for you.

There is probably no statement about whether the deceased had a carry permit or any warrants. But if you conduct yourself in that way, saggy pants are not the highest probability condition that is going to kill you.

Josephbleau said...

A proper outcome would be for the saggy pants person to pull his iron and kill all the police, and walk away unhindered.

Mikey NTH said...

Alright - why run from at most a warning or a ticket? Then, why get into a gunfight over an offense that was mostly going to be a warning or ticket? Why?
I think that the deceased may have been running from his name being run and perhaps multiple warrants out for his arrest. As has been said if you don't want to be treated like a (blank) do not act or dress like a (blank).

Joe Smith said...

'Black culture.' So enriching.

Aggie said...

I've always wondered how the saggy pants fad is implemented. I was suspecting a secret system of hidden suspenders, somehow. But.... cascading safety pins, attached to the underwear, no kidding? How do they get through airport security? Why aren't little kids sneaking up on them and yanking them down?

Butkus51 said...

Hear about this Diddy guy?

His pants weren't hanging.

Aight.

Tina Trent said...

Thanks Mongo. Enjoy it while you can. They've been wormholing everything not in the official narrative.

Tina Trent said...

No kidding. And little kids would know better than to antagonize the wannabe bangers. It was no place to be a child.

Sad.

Tina Trent said...

He was on meth, resisted arrest, pulled a gun on the officer trying to restrain him. He shot first. The cop shot back. Childs fled then shot himself in the chest while fleeing. The officer hit him at a distance with three nonlethal shots. Why a suicide? I don't know. Maybe he shouted something. Maybe that's what it's classified if you shoot yourself fatally. Maybe there was more evidence he was staging a suicide by cop.

Lazarus said...

The brand’s sweatpants, looked at through the prism of death and disrespect, were a real problem and a sort of social evil, conjuring bodies in effigy.

"Black Horror" isn't just the latest popular film genre. There's an awful lot of it in journalism.

PM said...

If you think Black fashion is low-slung pants, you ain't been watchin'. The Met Gala et al is peacock central, Edwardian on acid.

walter said...

Safe Sags.

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