Here's the transcript of the full debate. Walz answered:
Well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look...
That "look" makes me feel as though I'm being chastised for not paying attention. Am I one of the "the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this"? What does that even mean? "At the top of" what? "Get at the top"? Did he mean those who didn't watch — get in on — the debate from the beginning? Anyway, that sets up this:
... I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400. Town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
That's like Harris's "grew up in the middle-class" safe space. Instead of answering the question asked, he goes back to a snapshot of his youth. Somehow he's "proud of that service." The service of riding your bike around until it got dark. Much as I'd love to see the kids of America riding their bikes around and I'd be willing to regard them as performing a "service" if it would help, Tim Walz was just deflecting the question and doing so in a way that reminded me of all the times Harris deflected questions by directing us toward a picture of her as a child. Walz's picture is at least a happy one.
He continues with his quick biography and it does eventually bring us to China:
I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI bill to become a teacher. Passionate about it, a young teacher. My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China, 35 years ago, be able to do that. I came back home and then started a program to take young people there. We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China. The issue for that was, was to try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am.
But you're imposing yourself on us, the larger community. You're saying "look" again, making me feel as though I'm wrong to be listening with the hope of receiving an answer.
They saw where I was at. They, look, I will be the first to tell you I have poured my heart into my community.
Gah! He said "look" again. "Look" is his tell. I'm going to search the whole transcript for "look" but let's get through this evasion. I'm still waiting for the answer.
I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect. And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.
About what? About your being "a knucklehead at times"?
Those same people elected me to Congress for twelve years. And in Congress I was one of the most bipartisan people. Working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits. And then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice. So look...
He said "look" again!
... my commitment has been from the beginning, to make sure that I'm there for the people, to make sure that I get this right. I will say more than anything, many times, I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric. But being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life. I learned a lot about China.
Just say you were wrong about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests. Why is that so hard? You went so far as to call yourself "a knucklehead" and to say you "talk a lot" and "get caught up in the rhetoric." Why not say you were wrong about the one thing the question is about? Is it because you're a blabbermouth knucklehead caught up in the rhetoric?
I hear the critiques of this.
Critiques of what?
I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.
I assume you mean critiques about taking so many trips to China. That wasn't the question, but now that you mention it, why haven't you given a reason why you went to China so many times? I really don't understand.
I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID. And I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. So this is about trying to understand the world.
I'm having a hard enough time trying to understand you, but yeah, it's hard to understand China. What did you do in China that's relevant to understanding Xi Jinping? I have no idea.
It's about trying to do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.
He's letting us understand.
My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at...
I'd like to hear more about that. Is there some kind of idea of letting the students understand?
... or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.
I think that means the people — as he sees it — don't care about whether he was right or wrong about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests. That's probably true, but you didn't say that straightforwardly, and I think "the values that people care about" do include being straightforward answering questions and not throwing up a smokescreen of evasion.
Why did he struggle so much with this question? Why does Kamala Harris struggle so much with all the questions that trigger her "grew up a middle-class kid" response? Why the retreat to childhood?
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It's a classic dodge, changing the subject away from something that is immediately uncomfortable, to evoke childhood, because it implies innocence and, more importantly, a world full of no consequences.
At this point Kamala and Vice President Fudd are one Freudian slip from "I was born a poor black child!"
I take it Ann wasn’t impressed.
"That 'look' makes me feel as though I'm being chastised for not paying attention. Am I one of the 'the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this'? What does that even mean?"
He's trying to say you're a knucklehead. Well shuckers isn't he so folksy!
It's about seeming to mean well because the women's vote is up for grabs. Althouse has taken up the role of ex-girlfriend, is all.
JD Vance: Not a knucklehead.
Well now the left is playing the "smart but unlikeable" card against Vance. Always worth a shot!
Althouse said...
...Harris deflected questions by directing us toward a picture of her as a child. Walz's picture is at least a happy one.
"Good times, word salad."
.. It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi
His advisors told him when to filibuster, and "buster" made him think of childhood. He's old enough to remember Buster Brown shoes.
I watched a few seconds early on with the sound off, and I thought he was reading a teleprompter (badly). I really expected more aplomb from a senior NG non-com, 6 term congressman, and second term governor. Neither Dem seemed well prepared with good answers for obvious questions--is it them or their staffs?
"What does that even mean?" It's just a tell. The lying liar got caught. But it's not just a matter of character. Walz is too second-rate to think on his feet. Didn't Bill Clinton teach Dems how to do the lying right?
But seriously, does anyone think this guy should have any responsibility for national policy?
He comes across like he is burdened by his past.
Hello there fellow knuckleheads, you too can befriend school shooters!
As a Nebraskan, I hereby disown him and strip him of all of his Nebraska ties.
Seriously, which team would YOU prefer?
a brain dead bimbo, that grew up in upper class Montreal..
with a brain dead commie deserter, that got paid to get kids on brain washing trips to China?
or, a Rich kid, that took his fathers millions, and raised it into BILLIONS, providing jobs for thousands of workers..
with a Marine, that started in the depths of poverty, with a meth addict hillbilly mother; that pulled himself out of that depressed area, and made it through both war And Yale? who is LITERALLY, a self made man?
One of these teams will be running the country next year.. Chose wisely
I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi
If only some kind relative had taught him the difference between "shit" and "shinola."
The dem ticket sounds like a Laugh In intro with two Dick Martins talking.
Walz is wandering like Biden and he's not even demented yet. Grandpa Simpson and the Onion Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujF8AumiQo
Forget it. They are the abortion people I like, so none of this fisking matters...
"I'm a knucklehead at times..." with the weird arm waving and other antics, at times seems to be during all waking hours. I guess he claim to have been in war was another knucklehead moment.
FWIW the right-center-right-center head movements when Vance was talking was not a good look for Walz.
they SHOULD have tested them during the debate..
a) put them into a paper bag, and see if they could find their way out
b) put them outside, in the rain.. and see if they'd think to come in
It just reflects their contempt for us. Remember, WE'RE supposed to be too stupid to notice these things.
"you're the stupid"
"NO, YOU'RE the stupid"
An iterative cycle of needing a VP dumber than the boss leads us to this place.
That's where we are in 2024. What could possibly go wrong?
This got Tim Walz to where he is today. He knows that it has been working so far, and he has no reason to doubt that this will continue. He is now in the inner circle.
There is a much higher than zero chance he will be President some day.
How does that make you feel? Remember Minnesota in 2020? Open your windows. Smell those burning tires.
Inga? Mark? Rich? Lone Justice? anyone? PLEASE! speak up!
Democrats think it is important to make friends with school shooters.
Blogger's got me in a POW camp.
Free speech, Blogger, you fucking Commie!
Basically, Walz has imagined himself on the Tonight Show couch explaining how wonderful cultural exchange with China is. He's had this conversation in his mind for years. First Johnny nodded, then Jay, then Jimmy. In his mind, Conan has marveled at his genius.
He couldn't give a straightforward answer because his imagination has never created one.
no offense Dave; but he seems every bit as smart as your electric power people,
or your school board people,
or your state reps..
Like Navin Johnson, Tim Walz is looking for his special purpose.
It was never "...have been in war..." "...knucklehead moment..."
Stolen Valor Walz lied continuously, repeatedly, for years and years about having been in war, in venue after venue, in speeches, interviews, congressional hearings etc. Including having others lie about his record while he was sitting there and not correcting them. Also including repeatedly wearing Green Beret / Special Forces gear in public...classic Stolen Valor behavior across all dimensions.
Look, "look" is an interesting speaking crutch. I mean, look, it's pretty much universal among the news & sports talking heads. Look, I hope someone does a supercut of Walz. I have, look, in the end, I have simple wants.
for fun, just try to imagine WHO Walz will pick, to be HIS VP?
Obama-Biden
Biden-Harris
Harris-Walz
Walz--?????
Why the retreat to childhood?
Because they're scared to death of J.D. Vance's.
"Look..." is his version of "Guess what....By the way."
Makes sense, as most of them are islamic supremacists or trans psychos.
"I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us."
I assume Trump would have picked the one with the dancers.
1) Walz said the line about riding bikes in his small home town.
2) Walz said, "and I'm proud of that service."
3) Walz said, "I joined the National Guard at 17"
It's like line 2 and line 3 got reversed. The normal way would been to have said, I joined the National Guard at 17 and I'm proud of that service.
It's the kind of error you'd expect to see if there was a problem with a teleprompter or a script. I guess he had memorized the little bio and forgot the National Guard line, then corrected himself. It'd be paranoid to suggest the guy coaching him via a tiny earpiece was talking to fast.
Walz was nervous and he flubbed his intro line. I think he was very uncomfortable raising the issue of his military service. He was afraid of what Vance might do with it.
Just say you were wrong about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests. Why is that so hard? It's hard because is an unnecessary fabrication. Walz did the same thing with his "weapons of war" stories suggesting he saw combat.
Walz learned the value of propaganda in China. He also learned the "value" of censorship which is used to promote propaganda.
We saw it live last night when the two bitches cut JD's microphone when he was providing and explanation on the "legality" of Springfield's Haitian migrants.
The split screen was not friendly to Walz. There were times when he was looking over at Vance, and just seemed baffled; perplexed, in over his head.
"I think he was very uncomfortable raising the issue of his military service."
He should be. He's not just a fraud. He's a coward.
We have had almost 4 years of one knucklehead Vice President. Let’s not elect a self admitted one.
It's nothing you can teach. You have to be able to believe in the moment you are telling the truth.
This is why Harris sounded so different in that clip from four or five years ago talking about radical gun control measures. She's lying now but more importantly she knows she's lying so she has to filter every word she says to avoid slipping.
Walz has the believe in the moment thing down but like an idiot he lies about easily checkable stuff He's too used to having a compliant media never press him on his puffery.
I’m curious about where this opportunity came from.
“My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China”
I observed that whenever Vance began speaking, Walz, on the split screen, would look intently at Vance for a minute, then he would look down at his podium as though he was making notes. He would continue looking down, seeming to write, for a long time. Was he making notes for a rebuttle? Or was it an act. He never seemed to come back to anything Vance had said, so what was he making these extensive notes for? Or was he actually reading the notes he came with, trying to freshen his memory of his prepared arguments?
It would be paranoid to suggest he was listening to his coach on a tiny earpiece.
Walz seemed very nervous and uncomfortable. Vance seemed relaxed and much more in his element. He seemed to be enjoying the whole thing.
People are focusing on how stupid Walz sounded. The big takeaway for me was that he not only failed to demonize his opponent (which is truly Job 1 for any dem), he gave off the vibe that he thinks JD is a good, sincere, well-meaning guy with whom he actually agrees on a lot of issues.
The dems will forgive Walz for being befuddled and inarticulate. They will NEVER forgive him for treating Vance as a decent human being.
Talking heads often pontificate on the subject of running mate debates --- "Look, Megyn, these debates are interesting but unimportant...yaddah, yaddah, yaddah." That may have been true in the recent past, but it is a fundamental fallacy to assume that history always repeat itself.
In both cases the top of the ticket may be vulnerable. Harris may be a bit young for a dementia patient, but she certainly talks like one, or maybe she's just natively stupid. What do I know? At any rate, if Quaestor was dumb enough to consider voting for her, he'd be much happier knowing her Veep had some substantial smarts to help her in a crisis (in Kamala's case breakfast is a formidable crisis) or replace her if she accidentally electrocutes herself with a blowdryer. Last night would make him long for a relief pitcher with a wicked fastball because Walz is 3 and Oh with the bases loaded.
In the GOP camp, Trump is 78 and a target of demented Democrats, i.e. most of them. (Something needs to be done, this violent trend is as old as the party itself. Their first president shot at his critics from inside the White House.) Vance has laid any concern among Republicans about Trump's age or his target status well and truly to rest.
Conclusion: this Veep debate was not only consequential, it may have been decisive.
"Look."
Nothing new here - that was Biden's most-used diversionary crutch whenever he got tongue-tied or cogitatively stuck. Birds of a feather...
I tried to count how many times Walz said "look." It was hard because JDV said it to. It's a pervasive vocal mannerism. I can say Walz said it at least 20 times.
In my experience in the Midwest — mostly Wisconsin in the last 40 years — the use of "look" like that is considered harsh. I knew a lawprof from New York, who, back in the 1980s, got criticized on student evaluations for beginning answers to their questions with "Look..." They told him it made them feel bad and he took to telling them, in advance, that he said "Look" because that's his New York way of speaking. He didn't want to give up his personal style, but he knew it wasn't liked in the Midwest.
If only the junior high kids could take over. Or brain damaged kids like Greta Thunberg. Or the trans kids of celebrities. They're so idealistic and passionate, I find.
He wanted to be in China during Tiananmen Square because he dreams of crushing dissent.
He scheduled his honeymoon on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square to help him remember the date.
He has wet dreams about crushing dissent.
It's unfortunate because I can understand what he's was trying to do, I think, which was project an image, through words, of a decent midwesterner who cares about hearth and home and doing good for others and certainly wouldn't be someone who would be a con man or a fabulist pretending to be something and somewhere he's not and wasn't.
The unfortunate part is that the word jumble made him come across like an overweight blustery Forrest Gump. I kept waiting for him to whip a ping pong paddle out.
Walz is clearly one of those braggadocios liars that cannot help themselves. He knew members of his unit had called him out about how and when he chose to retire, yet he could not refrain from claiming to have carried weapons of war in war and to have retired at a higher rank than he did. Now we learn he oddly claimed to be in Tiananmen square when he was not.
I love this funny, folksy, practical instrumentalism:
"Much as I'd love to see the kids of America riding their bikes around and I'd be willing to regard them as performing a "service" if it would help"
so the shooting that his son, wasn't a witness to, involved a 27 year old school employee who fired on two students, it happened in a rec center across the street, we're talking Walter Mitty syndrome by proxy
And Vance says "I don't know what he said and frankly, I don't think he knows either."
gilbar: Well, those people didn't go to Creighton Prep or Creighton University; that I can tell you.
I think Gov. Walz's 'look' is a verbal tic. It also reinforces my vibes about the Governor that as "America's Dad", he would admonish us little citizens for being stupid when we disagree with him. "Look, I clearly explained to you what the facts/status/interpretation is, so shut up and comply." An angry Dad barely in control of his emotions.
Vance looked impressive and Walz looked lame. On the plus side, Walz didn't look unlikable, and he was far more articulate and charismatic than Kamala. Kamala made an honest effort to find a less appealing politician than her to serve as a running mate but she failed. Kamala should have asked Hillary to serve as her running mate. I don't think Kamala is more articulate than Hillary, but she's more charismatic.
It didn't take long for America to reach that inevitable point when they suddenly saw clearly that America's Dad is not an all-knowing superhero who will always come to save them, but is simply a human being, in this case an ambitious, self-serving, dishonest politician of middling intelligence and ability, probably a foreign agent captured by the CCP, just another child like themselves, lost in a haunted wood, afraid of the night, who has never been happy or good.
Somebody has told him that his love of Tiananmen Square is authoritarian, scary, and un-American.
So now he's trying to normalize himself.
The lie could have just been a memory lapse. It's the psychology of the lie that's revealing.
Imagine a psychiatrist asking him why he said he was in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square, when he wasn't.
"I grew up a middle-class kid."
Walz should have been prepared for this question.
Simple answer: "I care a lot. Sometimes I get carried away. Sometimes I'm a knucklehead that way. Yes, that wasn't true. Maybe I should be more scripted, but I will never be able to stop caring."
yes you care about mutiliating school children, not so much about burning your capital city down,
"In my experience in the Midwest — mostly Wisconsin in the last 40 years — the use of "look" like that is considered harsh."
Yes, it's condescending. You're telling the person you're speaking to they need to pay better attention to what you're saying. At least in Wisconsin, that's how it's perceived.
How many times did Walz say "fundamentally" in his first few lines at the beginning? It was embarrassing, and he knew it. After the first half dozen times, he would react visibly when he heard himself say it, but he couldn't stop saying it and he would wince again. He was very nervous.
Point of information: Minneapolis is not the capitol city of Minnesota. Saint Paul is.
As far as not just admitting his Tiananmen statement, an honest person would simply say they'd gotten it wrong and apologize and say it was a long time ago.
Someone who tells false stories all the time would try the snow job. Walz tried the snow job.
Who the hell wants to associate their honeymoon with Tiananmen Square?
"I'll be the tank. You try to avoid me."
---Walter Mitty syndrome by proxy
Good one, Narciso.
I am with the Quaestor on significance of debate. That doesn't mean enough saw the debate to get it. But it was good to see into the future a bit. Plus Vivek, Cotton, and DeSantis too.
Town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
Maybe it was asphalt or concrete or even humble macadam. The surface. That he was proud of. And rode his bike over all day.
I guess the idea was that Walz had to "introduce himself" to the public. That's supposed to be a peripheral idea, something to get out of the way early and move on from. Harris and Walz have so little to say about issues that for them the self-introduction becomes the whole enchilada.
I'd say that we recognize that politicians' self-narratives are all nonsense, but last time "Scranton versus Wall Street" may have gotten past enough people's BS detectors to sink down into their subconscious to make a difference. The narratives have been around a long time -- "I cannot tell a lie," "born in a log cabin" -- but in an earlier America there was some hardship or adversity, or challenge behind them. Now they're a way for people whose lives for the last few decades have been radically different from those of most Americans to pretend to be "just like you."
LOL!
On the 30th anniversary of the protests in 2019, the renowned Chinese artist Ai Weiwei wrote that "autocratic and totalitarian regimes fear facts because they have built their power on unjust foundations" and he also wrote that memory is important: "without it there is no such thing as a civilised society or nation" because "our past is all we have."
Contrast Kamala's desire to wipe out the past, ignore it, and pretend it never happened.
It is truly amazing how hollow the dem bench is. Their media allies are literally sitting their fat asses on the scales to help and their people still come off as befuddled prats despite lifetimes in public service. In other words, they've been playing their careers on easy mode their entire working lives, made possible by a fawning press that does their thinking and arguing for them.
JD should've ripped into the moderators last night far more than he did. Disgusting behavior on their part.
Hilarious!
Why lie about being in Hong Kong during Tienanmen? They are nowhere near each other.
lets review shall we, a month after the chinese slaughtered up to 10,000 people, he decided to go souvenir shopping in hong kong, then 5 years later he took his honeymoon on the anniversary, did we get that right,
What's this stuff about going to college on the GI Bill? I was in the National Guard and Reserves for six years--1969-1975 and as far as I knew then (and now) the GI bill benefits were only for those who''d served on active duty. Just another part of being a knucklehead for Walz. In fairness to Tim, Vance also did a bit of the "I was born in a small town" shtick.
Waltz'n Kamala
Every time Walz turned sideways to look at JD, I saw Don Rickles.
Rickles would make a better VP. Even if he has been dead for 7 years.
John Henry
Indeed; it means absolutely nothing, of course. It's like the people who, when some celebrity is mentioned, say, "My cousin went to college with him, Nice guy."
Now it is also coming out that his son did not "witness" a school shooting as he claimed. Wow. To lie about something so easily checkable is insane.
maybe some jack benny, the expression is priceless, what a maroon
I use to ride my Stingray around in the gloaming along with my mates. The only service we provided, discounting the money spent for burgers, fries, and large Cokes, was the constant reminders to motorists to beware of rising seventh-graders riding bikes with inadequate lights and reflectors. None of us got t-boned in an intersection, so one might assume our service was valuable but not praiseworthy.
Walz's pride is simply lunacy on parade.
Exactly. When I saw it. "Jebus! it's the HARRIS DEFLECTION." You should never go full Harris Deflection. Two + minutes of it.
He seemed nervous the entire debate. And looked old.
Walz is just like Joe Biden- always embellishing and/or completely fabricating the details of his own life when the actual truth would serve him so much better politically. What it really demonstrates is that Walz isn't very bright and has almost zero common sense. If you are going to tell lies, at least make them lies that make you look better not worse.
Original Mike! You are correct. I feel that everytime I hear "look", I feel like they are saying "look, I know you are stupid...." and I am a Wisconsinite who did graduate from From "The" Creighton University, Mr Begley
And that biography bit was clearly planned and Walz didn't even have the brains to deliver it in proper chronological order.
Good points.
Which Biden has in spades.
Does any town with only 400 people actually have multiple streetlights? Can anybody from there let us know??? Where would they be?
Had Walz deployed with his unit he would have been eligible.
“You have to be able to believe in the moment you are telling the truth”
It’s much easier if you just tell the truth. But I guess that wasn’t an option.
I travelled a bit. Mostly on business but often enough for leisure. I haven’t been anywhere, not involving family ties, 30 times. I takes a lot of money to travel over seas 30 times in a lifetime. Who/What paid for all those trips to China?
I get the sense, if I changed “community” for “communism” his words might start to make sense. He may have poured his heart into it. Look, he could be the first to tell you, if he tells you anything at all.
Whatever his values may be, he comes across as a grifter seeking graft and we need fewer of them in politics.
yes it telegraphs you don't know what you're talking about,
“If only some kind relative had taught him the difference between "shit" and "shinola."
I haven’t heard that one in a long time. Something my father used to say. Thanks for the memory.
What was memorable about any of Vance’s comments or answers? Nothing but how oily he is. Trump is almost preferable in his bumbling inarticulateness. Walz asked Vance a KEY question, “I would just ask that, did he lose the 2020 election?”
Vance deflected, by trying to go back to censorship, Walz then spoke a sentence that WILL be remembered that perfectly illustrated Vance’s oily dishonesty, “That is a damning non-answer.”
The meme, "OH NO!... Anyway,..." applies here.
Voters will vote on single issues like abortion or guns, each of which has one party tripping over their own feet, or policy difference about the economy, or even foreign policy, but the important votes will be the mail-in ballots harvested from people who otherwise would be nonvoters, such as senior citizens vegetating in care homes and registered voters who will have their votes made for them by a volunteer canvassing their neighborhoods.
The debates don't matter. The policies don't matter. Only the mail in ballot vote harvesting matters. Get with the program, folks, because the election is going to Harris by however many mail in ballots it takes.
Look, Tim Walz reminds me of Sgt. Maj. John Joseph Sixta, the former top enlisted leader of 1st Reconnaissance Battalion as depicted in the HBO miniseries Generation Kill. Fundamentally, he's an ass kissing obsequious bureaucratic cog reinforcing trivial minutiae while ignoring the primary objective.
Regarding Yancey Ward's point @ 10:19am.
"I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400. Town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service."
It must have been one of those small, rural towns where all the bicycles were wired up to batteries that powered the streetlights. The kids were expected to pedal after school until the batteries were charged back up again.
In four years the Dems will nominate Alex Soros
“for fun, just try to imagine WHO Walz will pick, to be HIS VP?”
I sense a trend here. Each is worse than the one before.
2 quick issues
1. A bad night for Command Sergeant Majors in the MN National Guard.
2. Does Walz look more like Don Rickles or Mel Brooks?
"Oily" is the new "weird"
Listen, down here we don't use that kind of talk.
what was that ridiculous film with larry the cable guy,
I didn’t watch the debate so I didn’t hear the tone of Tim’s voice, but growing up in NJ, if someone started a statement with “look”, he was calling you stupid. It was fighting time.
Professor, I don't understand what you mean about being "right or wrong" about being in Tiananmen Square at the time of the massacre. That's not something one simply misspeaks about. He knows he was there or not. It's not being right or wrong. It's either a lie or it isn't.
Because you've made so many trips to China you can't remember if you were or weren't there on the specified day, and it'll be easier to obfuscate about which Asian country you were in than if you were in the US or not.
I'm with Jersey (though also from the Midwest). I think starting a statement with "look" is pretty much universally viewed as at best condescending unless it's followed by "over there"
Question: "Does Walz look more like Don Rickles or Mel Brooks?"
Answer: Neither. More like an age-wilted Pee-Wee Herman.
Look, ;), tens of millions of people think Trump won the 2020 election, myself included. It’s simply bullying behavior to ask people this question about who won or who lost, essentially trying to force them to say something they truly don’t believe. No one actually knows the answer! The left needs to accept the fact that millions of people did not witness election integrity that week, they are disgusted by it, and don’t want to be bullied about it.
...as well as wild-eyed, psychotic and out of his depth. Vance's side-eye towards the camera and moderators was priceless.
so 16 years ago, when coming from a small town was considered toxic,
if you were a Christian, an honest and forthwright citizen
There is NO evidence that Trump won the election. Isn’t it time to come to grips with that? What purpose does keeping the Big Lie alive that so devastated so many lives of the poor people who believed it and are now sitting in jail, their lives in ruin. “Stop the Steal” was a scam and Trump has been sowing the seeds to revive it for when he loses the election again.
As far as bullying goes, it’s bullying to continue to expect the rest of us to give credence to the Big Lie and the purpose for the big lie which is obvious if you have your eyes open.
Starting off with "Look" is the equivalent to saying "Hey listen up" or "Pay attention dummy" and both guys should be trained and retrained to avoid it like the plague.
We had some streetlights in the main business area and by the school in my hometown, roughly 600 people.
And he STILL didn't run out the clock because he's stupid, so Margaret had enough time to ask him to answer the damn question.
his "look" appears to be similar to Biden's "no really!" - it is a tell that the next thing coming out of his mouth will be bullshit.
I think psychologically it indicates far worse, that both men are so insecure in themselves that they've trained themselves to always embellish, always present the false self/fake life in order to impress other people. Every single veteran I know said Walz service was highly honorable, but his presentation of the fake Tim who was a CSM and "carried guns in combat" and wears SF gear is absolutely disqualifying and makes people cringe. Both men know they've been caught and can't stop exaggerating their achievements.
They were gaslights in Tim's youth.
There's no evidence Trump won 2016 because Russia stole it from Hillary. Have you ever admitted that?
"I grew up in small, rural part of Tiananmen Square. I was riding my bike there with my school shooter buddies the night the lights went out in Georgia and I'm proud of that service." - Tim Walz
"There is NO evidence that Trump won the election," says Inga without evidence.
There are at least a quarter million non-citizens in Arizona who are currently approved to vote illegally in the upcoming election. The Democrat-controlled Arizona board of elections is blaming a "computer glitch" for this situation without evidence. It is just as likely they were perpetrating the same fraud used in 2020, only this time they were caught red-handed and forced to invent a lame "I didn't know it was loaded" excuse.
If Arizona could do it, so could all the other Democrat-controlled states
Yes what makes a man insert himself into historical situations like that -- or say, helping Golda Meir win the 6-day war -- when it is easily proved that they were NOT there? Better yet, what makes Democrats keep nominating these guys who are living a crazy fake life in their heads instead of being in the moment, doing the actual job they are hired to do? Further, why is it guys who have inordinately large numbers of trips to communist China? Will the real Tim and Joe please stand up?
Huh, some of my comments disappeared. Yay Blogger!
Who won the 2016 election?
People like Inga are perfectly content to demand that Trump prove he was never inside or even near Bergdorf's since the Dawn of Time to relieve him of that rape accusation. So why should anyone require proof of election fraud in 2020. Let the Democrats prove their honesty and lawfulness for once.
Just say you were wrong about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests. Why is that so hard?
Because the correct answer is "I lied".
Which then leads to the next question: why did he lie about that?
Why did the guy who got married on the 5th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre because that date was a "date he'd remember" lie about being in Hong Kong?
Could it be because he supported the massacre because he's a devote Maoist?
Why yes, it could.
Is that something that's a loser with the voters?
Why yes, it is
When my mom started a sentence with "Look", we knew she was finished with us.
"Neither Dem seemed well prepared with good answers for obvious questions"
That's because they don't have good answers.
"I lied, about that and everything else", is true for Waltz, but not a good answer.
"I want to be President, and ride around in processions. I don't want to actually do any work, or think of judge anything, I'll leave that to the same people who've been running things for the last 3 1/2 years", is true for Harris, but not a good answer.
"Neither Dem seemed well prepared with good answers for obvious questions"
That's because they don't have good answers.
"I lied, about that and everything else", is true for Waltz, but not a good answer.
"I want to be President, and ride around in processions. I don't want to actually do any work, or think of judge anything, I'll leave that to the same people who've been running things for the last 3 1/2 years", is true for Harris, but not a good answer.
How many "buddies" in your age group can one have in a town of 400 souls?
Also, how many street lights?
Good point The unstated assumption in the question is that the NPV total is more important than the Electoral College, and Biden's 81 million votes generated mostly by his over performance in California and New York should cancel out the fact that he won the Electoral College by about 40K votes in three states, a much more auditable figure.
Yep, the first thing that came to mind was that "look" sound like a Biden thing. "Look man..."
Reading this post I was chuckling to myself, and there it is, second comment.
A long time ago IBM ran this ad demonstrating how international their business machines are by showing business people in other countries discussing the nuances of tech and commerce. There were these two guys sitting on the steps speaking in Arabic to each other and one guy gets serious and says 'Shwf!' (shoof), while the translation on screen is 'Look...'. Now every time I hear someone say it with emphasis all I hear is SHWF!...
That is the party line laid down in today's communique from The Bulwark. Only one question matters. Ignore everything else.
What purpose is there to ask people about who won or lost 2020 at this point?
People get to believe what they believe. This bullying question only hardens people’s belief in what they believe. No one’s mind is changed by these won or lost false statements. I’m not asking nor expecting you to believe what I believe. Far from it. Just pointing out that that question is a bullying tactic, especially given all the unknowns regarding that election.
The question put Walz on the spot. He soiled himself and started to blab. The more he talked, the deeper he dug until he befriended school shooters. Not the kind of guy you want a heartbeat away.
Jolly ole Tim is German. Look is achtung, He is. German school teacher,The class needs to straighten up and obey him,
It's not that saying "look" is not considered rude in New York. It's just that rude behavior is acceptable and no big deal there.
I'm pretty late to this discussion so most of my thoughts have been covered already. So I'll just add that Goin' Back by the Byrds is a great performance. And Carole King wrote it.
I'm curious does Walz speak mandarin or cantonese? Anyone ask him that?
"look" is commonly used as a filler word (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filler_(linguistics) ) like, "uh", "er", "like", etc. As other's have said here, public speakers get training and coaching on how to avoid using filler words. I vaguely recall seeing a movie with James Cagney prefixing (or maybe it was sufficing) sentences with "See".
Occasional use of fillers is ok but excessive use can cause listeners to think you are not smart or at least not articulate.
Do you really want your VP to have the appearance of being inarticulate or dumb?
If they haven't already, Creighton should put up a statue, or at least a plaque, to recognize Dave Begley as the single largest in-kind booster for Creighton Prep and Creighton University.
I thought the more relevant lie by Tim Walz' was the "weapons of war" have no place in America, which he contexed by claiming to have served in Iraq during the Iraq War. The Tiananmen lie is not that egregious to me. But Stolen Valor is a huge problem that the "Mod's" from CBS chose to ignore. That speaks volumes about his character. Which is why they memory hole it.
I don't know, but I recall in the 1990's and early 2000's it seems like I knew a lot of people in the education field who would take students on field trips to China. They would go once a year, usually, with different groups of students, for cultural exchange purposes. I think, in retrospect, those were probably projects encouraged by Chinese government front organizations such as The China International Culture Exchange Center.
Who won the 2016 election? Trump of course. Clinton conceded the victory in a phone call the same night or next day. Did Clinton start a “Stop the Steal” con job like Trump did?
Umm. Clinton is no saint - she unleashed the 2.5 year long Russian Collusion con job on all of us because she lost that election. That was far more damaging to Trump’s presidency and to our entire nation. She conceded in words but not in deeds.
“ What purpose is there to ask people about who won or lost 2020 at this point?”
Is this a serious question? Isn’t it important enough that the person who is running for VP tell the truth about the 2020 election? Why perpetuate the Big Lie unless they are trying to set up another Big Lie when Trump loses again? It’s not bullying to expect the truth in something as IMPORTANT as false allegations of election cheating and trying to take away the vote of 81 million people, as Trump did. So much attention and nitpicking over small untruths and exaggerations while completely falling for the Big Lie. Trump lost and that is the Big Truth.
"I’m not asking nor expecting you to believe what I believe. Far from it. Just pointing out that that question is a bullying tactic, especially given all the unknowns regarding that election."
It is an obsession with the left that you mouth their "truths". I don't think they particularly care if you believe it, in fact it's even better if you don't (you're right, it's bullying).
There is NO evidence that Trump won the election.
Again, until you can explain why five swing states stopped counting ballots - all at the same time - sent the poll watchers home, resumed counting under the cover of darkness and then miraculously had Biden ahead three hours later when they updated the totals, that election will always stink.
And you fucking know it.
“It’s not bullying to expect the truth in something as IMPORTANT as false allegations of election cheating and trying to take away the vote of 81 million people, as Trump did.”
You’re talking about what you believe to be true. That is not what I believe to be true. Millions agree with you, and millions agree with me. That’s life. We don’t have to harangue each other until the other side relents. That’s a “fool’s errand”, I think.
Breezy, tell me, if it’s true that Trump won the 2020 election, why didn’t Vance proudly and strongly answer Walz’s question by exclaiming “Trump of course!” Why did Vance not answer the question, hmmmm?
Sometimes when we grow up we recognize that it’s irrational to cling to fairy tales.
According to Wikipedia, he was in the Texas NG when at the Univ. of Houston right out of HS, then in the Arkansas NG while working in a factory in AR, then in the Nebraska NG while getting his degree and afterwards, then the MN NG after he moved there. Doesn't sound like the GI Bill was involved. Did he mix his bio up with Vance's?
Where Walz grew up is completely irrelevant to his candidacy. Solid blue San Francisco and New York City both have a small number of right-wing conservatives living right there amongst them and apparently in small red towns in Nebraska there are a few crazed Wreckers as well. But SFW? I have a state senator that every single time you ask her about anything the slightest bit controversial she mentions the fact that even though she's a left-wing kook she grew up in a farm family in rural Michigan, and so I can trust her to do the right thing. Yah. But no. A candidate's birthplace doesn't matter one bit. How the hell are peeps fooled by that approach?
Because it’s not relevant to today’s electoral priorities. It’s a meaningless distraction, a red herring. Focus needs to be on the economy, immigration, crime, energy, foreign policy etc. No one cares about J6 in the grand scheme of 2024. Well, the people who want to distract us from the priorities care about it, but no one else does.
Walz moved to a small Nebraska town with 400 people in his sophomore year in high school, according to a WashPost bio. He grew up in a small, but not that small, town where his father was school superintendent. Most of his lies are petty exaggerations. Why bother?
"It isn't a lie, Jerry, if YOU believe it."
I've noticed the same re mine in another thread. Thought the delete hammer had come back.
The understanding was that he wasnt ggoing to be asked about that. He was stuck with cobbling something together out of his prepared responses.
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