For another class politics article in the NYT, try "Here’s Why We Shouldn’t Demean Trump Voters" by Nicholas Kristof. Why? It's "politically foolish." It's also "morally offensive, particularly when well-educated and successful elites are scorning disadvantaged, working-class Americans who have been left behind economically and socially and in many cases are dying young. They deserve empathy, not insults. By all means denounce Trump, but don’t stereotype and belittle the nearly half of Americans who have sided with him...."
AND: Take a look at "'Dangerous and un-American': new recording of JD Vance’s dark vision of women and immigration/Trump’s running mate rants against feminism, immigrants and Ilhan Omar in a newly unearthed podcast from 2021" (The Guardian). We're told — without a link to the audio or a transcript or even the name of the podcast — that there's a 2021 interview in which Vance said that "professional women 'choose a path to misery' when they prioritize careers over having children in a September 2021 podcast interview in which he also claimed men in America were 'suppressed' in their masculinity." I don't trust the Guardian's summary and decontexualization, but it's important to know the line that is being sold to the nondeplorables.
ADDED: I think this is the podcast — "Moment of Truth" — "The Hillbilly Has a Moment, featuring J.D. Vance."
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Anyone voting for a vice president?
Definitely not voting for the sitting Vice President.
Who says over sampled dem polls
They are telling us who let his city burn who is a shirker who torments law abiding citizens is popular sure thats it
Who gave money to an al queda front group who does let christians teach in his state
"By all means denounce Trump, but don’t stereotype and belittle the nearly half of Americans who have sided with him...."
At least not until after the election.
Looks like the left has given up trying to pretend Vance was a terrible pick and a big drag on the Trump ticket. Sooner or later reality sets in to these fever swamps. I particularly enjoy how Vance dissects the hostile media by not accepting their phony premises and laying out critiques on the current, social, degeneracy of the democratic party without sounding like a dick.
All I've seen of Vance is some interviews with the MSM in which he's skillfully parried extremely aggressive interviewers.
"By all means denounce Trump, but don’t stereotype and belittle the nearly half of Americans who have sided with him...."
Is he kidding? That's what they're in it for.
Let's put it this way: Nancy Pelosi had three attack dogs; Trump has one.
Nancy's trio was Anthony Wiener--who flamed out after flaunting his member somewhat public. Debbie Wasserman Schulz who is still around but no long as much in your face as in the past. And her prize pup of an attack dog was Adam "Shifty" Schiff, a man with only a passing acquaintance with the truth--not that that ever bothered him much.
"... don’t stereotype and belittle the nearly half of Americans who have sided with him..."
Too late, jackass.
Vance is in a tough competition with Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley for most reliable weathervane.
The Trump/Vance ticket are just all over the place; all type of scattershot ideas, little coherence or intelligent thought process coming out of that campaign.
Now that RFK Jr. and Tulsi are on board, things should get a little more coherent.
"Mr. Vance’s approval rating improved by nearly double digits among the nation’s least educated and poorest voters since joining the Republican ticket — but plunged by even wider margins among college graduates and independent women, according to an NPR/PBS News/Marist poll...."
That poll was taken Aug 1 - 4. Where would these voters have even seen Vance other than what the MSM fed them?
"Mr. Vance’s approval rating improved by nearly double digits among the nation’s least educated and poorest voters since joining the Republican ticket — but plunged by even wider margins among college graduates and independent women, according to an NPR/PBS News/Marist poll...."
Because they're well-educated, or well-indoctrinated? Independed, or state-dependent?
"From "JD Vance’s Combative Style Confounds Democrats but Pleases Trump/Over dozens of events and more than 70 interviews, Mr. Vance’s performances as Donald Trump’s attack dog have endeared him to his boss, even if America broadly is less enthusiastic" (NYT)."
Ulysses S. Grant managed to confound more than a few Democrats, too " He fights."
Mr. Vance’s approval rating improved by nearly double digits among the nation’s least educated and poorest voters since joining the Republican ticket — but plunged by even wider margins among college graduates and independent women
Shorter: Poor, stupid people for Trump; smart, nice women for Kamala! Joy...!
By all means denounce Trump
Please, by all means…
"Mr. Vance’s approval rating . . . plunged . . . among college graduates and independent women." In other words, the people who won't vote for Trump under any circumstances don't like Vance either. Noted.
I'm thinking the Walz pick has gone over so poorly that the orders have gone out to the media to take Vance down a peg or two.
Vance is great. On the other hand, Walz is a ChiCom and fundamentalist Imam suck up.
And NPR and the NYT can take a flying rodger at a rolling, jelly donut. Fuck ‘em.
All our elites are us. Diversity, Inequity, Equivocation (IED) boom!
In a quintessentially Trumpian display of bravado ...
Joe Biden was not short on bravado and braggadocio, and Tim Walz tries to make a display of it as well. "Colorful" writing about Trump is best ignored, because the media doesn't take the same approach to politicians they approve of. I assume that if Biden and Harris are "normal," Trump is too.
Independent women is a weird category name. In the first place, they're predictable. Just ask about feelings. I don't care for Vance so far however. He literalizes Trump the way true believers literalize the Bible.
Can that rolling jelly donut have spikes in it?
"Mr. Trump had instructed his young sidekick to fight forcefully through those initial attacks...
Holy Stolen Valor, don't they realize they make Vance sound like Robin the Boy Wonder?
Ah, the NYT, & it's propagandist writers, are letting their fellow elites know Trump/Vance supporters are uneducated, easily swayed &, to coin a phrase, "deplorables". And the Marxist Guardian is always a go to for insightful commentary.
who will America choose?
Momala Kamala and Dadz Walz
or
Don Pere-gnon et James fils-zz
Yes, for “their pleasure”…
Many on earth want DC to burn
which team better to do it with?
The corollary is that supporting Kamala makes one a member of the elite, supporting Trump makes one low class.
That has so much to do with it.
We are very proud deplorables, Mr. Kristof. It's a badge of honor we wear that super-rich Democrat elites like Hillary Clinton spit in our general direction.
We have zero desire to attend your politics.
Feminism is a class-disordered ideology. Equal in rights and complementary in Nature. #HateLovesAbortion
Emigration reform to mitigate progress at both ends of the bridge and throughout. People should not feel compelled to emigrate in Spring or otherwise.
Omar is a traditional Diversitist. That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one.
"Rich" worries about the "lack of intelligent thought process" coming from Trump- Vance." He hasn't noticed that no ideas are coming from the other side.
"Independent women" are the DNC base.
Bingo! This is the same dynamic as that little shrew of an audience member asking Ayn Rand a question by prefacing it with an insulting comparison about her pre- vs post-education intelligence. Arrogant shithead libtards don't see anything wrong with how the question is phrased, while normies are ready to tell her to Fuck Off before she's even finished the sentence.
I’m disappointed not to see a “civility bullshit” tag because my interpretation of the Times and Guardian articles referenced in this post come across to me as nostalgic for the good old days when Republicans were “nice,” and graciously allowed the Democrats and a hostile news media to beat up on them and push untruths on them. Good that Trumps, DeSantis, Vance, and others push back and push back hard.
And now a rhetorical question. Given the extreme left orientation of the Times and the Guardian, would they be warning us Republicans about the alleged negative impact of Vance’s pushback if there really was a net negative impact? Just askin’
I love the Moment of Truth podcast. It's an hour of listening to really smart people talk about things they know about in politics.
Rich,
You are a ridiculously obvious DNC plant.
That is only slightly different from the non paid lefty fools here.
JD can pull the code-switch because he has lived-experienced both "Huck" Finn and Gordon Gekko, and more importantly, those characters were both despised by some societal group.
The Vice President, in the other hand, has been loved and sheltered all her life, thru no fault of her own.
"the Hall of Fame football coach’s ability to find Super Bowl-caliber players."
I'm thinking it's more that he was able to create Super-Bowl-caliber teams.
Fight Hillbilly, fight.
Where would these voters have even seen Vance other than what the MSM fed them?
This is what I came here to say.
Mr. Vance’s approval rating improved by nearly double digits among the nation’s least educated and poorest voters since joining the Republican ticket — but plunged by even wider margins among college graduates and independent women
The "reporter" pretends that the candidates have all been treated the same. See Rich at 4:13 for a little precis of the media line about Trump/Vance. And then ask yourself why the "educated" folks who rely on and mindlessly take as gospel the zombie hordes of the "elite" press would ever think anything of Vance but that he is at best the "weathervane" Rich says he is. (And at worst, an icky, probably smelly hillbilly - not the good kind who become artisans on HGTV, but the trailer trash kind who, you know, come out of the woods with their swastikas and torches.)
Oh, by the way - remember when Rich was telling us that he didn't see what the big deal was about a person's changing her (definitely her) opinions and positions over time? It seems like just yesterday!
Because it literally was.
JD Vance's success or failure as a candidate should be judged by the sagacious fair-minded mainstream press.Or perhaps the sagacity and fairness of the mainstream press should judged by their reaction to Vance
"professional women 'choose a path to misery' when they prioritize careers over having children"
When I was young, feminists were saying that it was a path to misery for women to have to have children instead of a career. Why can't the reverse be true?
I've yet to see criticism of Vance that didn't tell us more about the critic than it did Vance. The criticisms seem designed to outrage people who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. Their problem is convincing the middle, and the middle is going to look between the GOP ticket and the Donk one, and quickly figure out who's more "normal".
It’s the NYT so it’s bullshit right off the bat. NYT voters are offended by Vance. BFD.
It’s called “concern trolling.”
Yes, it's possibly the same concern trolling done here daily.
I know a bit about hillbilly culture and yes Southern Ohio is mostly hillbilly. Vance’s book gets most of it right. The coastal “elites “ will never get but an Appalachian Buckeye managed to work in NYC for 8 years, Southeast Asia and EEurope. People on the coast would not last 2 days actually working.
I grew up not to far from where Vance did, my parents moved there from TN. I'm a couple of decades older than Vance so I can vaguely remember when there were good jobs in the area, though by the time I graduated High School they were pretty much all gone. So I too joined the military in order to serve my country, get a paycheck, and pay for college. I didn't read his book or see the movie until after Trump picked him for VP, but having done so I can say that yep, that's how it is in the hillbilly culture in Southwestern OH.
When we visited my grandmother in TN (every August for two weeks, that was our vacation) when I was very young she lived at the end of a 1 lane gravel road on top of a mountain in a small house without plumbing. There was a hand pumped well just outside her kitchen door and to get water you filled a bucket and carried it into the house. I hated using the outhouse (2 holer) because of the spiders that spun webs there to catch all the flies. Other than that though it was paradise for a young boy from the city.
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