ADDED: The NYT has "some of the questions Ms. Cheatle was asked repeatedly that she did not answer":
How many Secret Service agents were assigned to protect President Trump in Butler, Pa.?...Ms. Cheatle seemed to indicate that the Secret Service had left the rooftop unmanned on purpose, because, she said, the agency preferred “sterile” — presumably meaning empty — rooftops. Instead, she said, the warehouse rooftop was to receive “overwatch” — meaning law enforcement officers were supposed to watch that rooftop from another, higher perch.
Who decided that the warehouse roof should be outside the Secret Service’s security perimeter for Mr. Trump’s rally?...
Why did the Secret Service allow former President Trump to take the stage, despite people in the crowd pointing out a gunman on the warehouse roof?...
How did Mr. Crooks get his rifle up onto the warehouse roof? Did he leave it there before the rally?...
What additional security steps did the Secret Service take after the U.S. learned about a potential Iranian plot to kill Mr. Trump?...
Ms. Cheatle said she thought the security in place at Butler was sufficient to deal with the Iranian threat.
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In normal times stonewalling would seem to be the worst strategy…
"raked over the coals"? Far better than being on the wrong side of sniper fire.
Key questions:
(1) Why was Trump not removed from the stage immediately?
(2) You have said SS "secured" the AGR building from the inside, does that mean that there were sniper positioned on the inside? Were any of those weapons fired? Where are those weapons?
(3) Initially, you told the public "local law enforcement" fire guns. They deny it. Why did you originally claim a third weapon was fired? Do you still believe a third weapon was fired and have you identified that weapon? Who did it belong to?
Talk about a cat on a sloped-tin roof.
You send the C Team, you deserve to get evicted from the C Suite.
The bulk of this administration has just been cosplaying.
She has to be sympathetic and deflect.
There are questions that just cannot be answered.
It is so obvious the SS agents in charge and the FBI handled the shooter that you just cannot come to any other rational conclusion.
The only reason you avoid coming to that conclusion is cowardice.
I want a timeline of relevant communications to and from the event Command Center from when Trump arrived to the moment Trump was evacuated from the event. "Relevant" meaning fair to redact unrelated and routine security procedure communications.
Connelly is a friggen moron, blaming the "gun" instead of the abject failure of the SS...
The agents on the ground are responsible for failure, not some bureaucrat a thousand miles away.
Although the comment about the roof slope being too dangerous, if she actually picture of the roof, is enough for her to be fired or resign.
How many prior Trump rallies had similar lax security? Probably all of them.
Has she broken down and cried yet?
The intent and purpose and actions and statements of Team Deep State/Dem as well as those of the legacy media lead to only 1 conclusion
And had Team Deep State/Dem been successful, Joey Bag O'Dementia would still be the Democratical candidate taking on whichever globalist approved republican candidate the GOPe forced out of the republican convention, almost certainly either Haley or DeSantis.
D.D. Driver said...
Key questions:
(1) Why was Trump not removed from the stage immediately?
30 seconds is incompetence. 1 minute is bad comms and incompetence. 30 minutes is conspiracy.
(2) You have said SS "secured" the AGR building from the inside, does that mean that there were sniper positioned on the inside? Were any of those weapons fired? Where are those weapons?
The AGR buildings were originally declared outside the security perimeter and the responsibility of local law enforcement.
Then we find out the SS was inside later. They were clearly watching the shooter move around from the windows.
(3) Initially, you told the public "local law enforcement" fire guns. They deny it. Why did you originally claim a third weapon was fired? Do you still believe a third weapon was fired and have you identified that weapon? Who did it belong to?
The SS obviously lied and tried to pin this on local law enforcement. Local law enforcement has been leaking since the shooting.
The SS is F'd. Nobody is going to put up with the regime crap anymore.
Does Cheatle have her own security detail? I'm curious who's on that.
She is in a tough spot, but hey, she could have stayed at Pepsi Co and guarded those stock options in her 401K instead of the former President of the United States.
Amazing how the shooter was taken out so fast and with ultimate precision.
(probably a patsy - similar to the Whiter fake-kidnapping paid-patsies)
But prior, the shooter was spotted by all sorts of by-standers, and the FBI did nothing.
Very curious! Best not to ask questions.
Cheatle seems unburdened by what has been.
Impassive incompetence is never a good look.
"Does Cheatle have her own security detail? I'm curious who's on that."
Roofers mostly. Put her and her team on a side-gabled Cape Cod and she's invincible.
"I don't know the specifics" blah, blah, blah
Of course she doesn't. If whey does know she's lying. If she doesn't know it's either 1) she's an incompetent DEI hire, or 2) is being protected from information for plausible deniability.
Drago said...
The intent and purpose and actions and statements of Team Deep State/Dem as well as those of the legacy media lead to only 1 conclusion
And had Team Deep State/Dem been successful, Joey Bag O'Dementia would still be the Democratical candidate taking on whichever globalist approved republican candidate the GOPe forced out of the republican convention, almost certainly either Haley or DeSantis.
What was the timing on the JD Vance announcement?
According to Tucker and several other sources the GOPe was pushing very hard for Rubio or Scott or Burgham.
Pretty sure they wanted Trump to announce one of those two regime toadies or Burgham before Trump got shot.
I am now very curious about Mr Burgham now. Why was he even mentioned? Who was pushing him as an option?
At some point people need to be put in a shipping container with a car battery and a tray of water.
Sally327: "She is in a tough spot,..."
Only because they failed, barely, but dramatucally. And the incompetence could not be drowned out in a sea of assassination murder porn online and funerals and speeches and denouncements and republican convention chaos.
Instead, they created a mythic moment for their political enemy (Trump) and I suspect they have gone too far to turn back now, despite an Act II being far too obvious...a price they are probably willing to pay considering the alternative possibilities.
She received a 9% pay raise. the uniparty rewards drones. Competence is highly over rated by cis white males.
Congress is giving her softballs, nothing will happen to her. And then congress will go on another vacation.
Just an opportunity to fund raise, and to look like they care.
She stood firm when the one D congcresscritter was trying over and over, including threatening her job, to get her to make a gun-control sound bite. Nice.
JSM
Man… look how smart and personable she is!
"The SS obviously lied and tried to pin this on local law enforcement. Local law enforcement has been leaking since the shooting."
If there is a conspiracy, here is what was supposed to happen. The shooter inside (we now know was also Secret Service) the AGR building takes Trump out, the kid with the AR wearing a "Hey Look and What a Crazy Gun Nut I Am T-Shirt" never gets a shot off before the counter sniper on the roof takes him out. Clean. Trump is gone. National AR ban. 🏆
Listen to the audio. Three very calm control shots. Then a delay. Then bullets spray erratically (THOSE were Crooks' bullets when he realizes someone else is shooting).
And we would never know about it...
BUT!
Trump turned his head and the whole ploy when FUBAR.
Crooks' 100% fits the profile of someone the FBI uses for this kind of shit. When the FBI stops running Gretchen Whitmer kidnappings, I'll stop believing in all the true "conspiracy theories."
OMG. After listening to this woman, Trump should hire Dana White or Dan Bongino to run a private security firm to protect him.
Why does congress even hold these hearings? NOBODY in DC feels obligated to tell the truth, or anything for that matter.
"We're still investigating"? That was her answer about not having agents on the roof. But she had a detailed specific answer last week. And THAT wasn't it. I'm getting the feeling she's not being completely honest about how she allowed someone to shoot President Trump.
Leland @10:06… yes!
And that’s for starters…
you think,
My theory is still this- the leadership from Cheatle on up to the White House deliberately short-changed Trump on Secret Service resources and competent personnel with a clear malicious indifference to his security. If Trump had been killed on the 13th, they would have privately celebrated their part in the successful assassination. I am open, still, to the possibility that Crooks was groomed by the FBI to commit some sort of terrorist act but this will be buried deep if it happened and won't be easily discovered given the repercussions that would ensue from such a thing.
I think thats a fair assessment,
she failed..
the USSS failed..
the FBI failed..
the CIA failed..
The ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT FAILED.. They Only failed by an act of GOD (by a inch of wind)..
BUT THEY FAILED.
Will they be given the chance to try again? What will the reaction of America be If they succeed?
Cheatle seems unburdened by what has been.
She looks like she just fell out of a coconut tree.
When I was a kid working in a supermarket, I had lots of jobs. Sweeping and spot-mopping in the aisles; sacking groceries; cashiering; stocking produce; meat room cleanup; shagging carts from the parking lot; working the compactor on cardboard boxes. And of course, M,L,L: Men's, Ladie's, and Lunch Room - the Big Three, we used to call it
That was always a kind of gross affair, but you know, it had to be done, every day, by somebody. Sometimes, it was me.
That's how I think she sees the testimony show today. Kind of gross, but she'll get through it, put the mop away, wash her hands, and move on to shagging carts. I realize there's a solid foundation to the outrage, and a need for fresh meat, but they're not going to get to the bottom of it this way, not even close.
the leadership from Cheatle on up to the White House deliberately short-changed Trump on Secret Service resources and competent personnel with a clear malicious indifference to his security.
This is pretty easy to prove just by pointing out they did the same with RFK Jr. and the legislation introduced to strip Trump of his USSS protection. The only one provided full USSS protection is the guy no longer running for office and his endorsed pick to run for as his successor. That's a fact.
Key Questions:
1) Why did the anti-sniper team allow the shooter to fire 8 shots before they took him out?
2) How long was the anti-sniper team watching the shooter?
2b) After the shooter fired, how long did your agents KEEP Donald Trump on the stage?
3) How many miles per hour did the SUV carrying an injured Trump drive leaving the scene (2 mph)? They didn't even spin their wheels on the grass/dirt field.
4) Why did the SUV pass the close-by Veterans Hospital and take Trump to a hospital much further away?
5) How many police officers warned your agents that there was a shooter on site?
6) When you knew there was a person on-site with a gun, why was Trump not evacuated?
These questions will NOT BE ASKED. And even if they were asked, they would not be answered.
This is all theater. They were trying to murder Donald Trump and they failed.
Ther incompetence we've come to expect from our Democrat led government. Why is anyone surprised?
I think she's in a tough spot because she shouldn't be given any answers that might reveal operational details as to procedure, which might be useful some way for the next wanna be assassin.
For example, I don't think she can answer a question that would indicate how the SS goes about determining where the perimeter starts and stops and how what's inside or outside it is evaluated for risk.
Ro Khanna was misleading about H Stuart Knoght. Reagan was shot in March 1981. Knight didn’t retire until November of that year.
He was the director for the attempts on Gerald Ford as well.
After each incident, Knight lobbied to get more resources for the USSS - mainly metal detectors, but also agreement from the politicals to avoid things like open-air walks to the limo.
Many of these congresscritters are making helpful suggestions for things like expanding the perimeters. Cheatle should reply to each one, “If you vote us the money for it, we’ll be glad to do it.”
JSM
More Questions that won't be asked or answered:
1) Have any of the anti-Sniper teams members donated to Joe Biden's campaign?
2) Are their social media feeds being examined for bias?
3) What are their names and political party affiliations?
4) Is the anti-sniper Rules of Engagement to WAIT until AFTER an assassination attempt is made to begin shooting back?
5) Is it policy to hold the principal on a stage with short girls keeping his head exposed?
6) Should the SUV drive away with the principal at 2 miles per hour from an assassination scene, or speed up?
She had one job to do and she didn’t do it… Kim Cheatle gets in way-over-her-head trouble as she uncovers a conspiracy bigger than anyone expected and must race to prevent the Derp States next big hit as this political thriller plays out in an explosive game of dog and pony.
Kim Cheatle in The PepsiCo View… from Director Alan J. Pakula
A secret service like no Secret Service is the secret.
Seems there were multiple comms channels with no one(s) monitoring all of them. Appears to be a left hand right hand issue, which is unconscionable for a security team. Who was assigned that role, if anyone?
Has she indicated when the FBI will have all these answers to share with us? We can’t wait for months or even weeks for this….
Were they Twittering or frittering their time away?
When did Steve Urkel get elected?
This woman is not - as we knew it would be - going to cogently answer any questions. This hearing - as we knew it would be - is pointless.
This was administered under the Let Them Eat Lead Act (LTELA), which doesn't have an empathetic acronym, or does it. It reminds me of that character on SNL. Never mind.
I could see her running a local DMV. She’s droll enough for that.
"When we are providing Overwatch whether that be through counter snipers, or other technology prefer to have sterile rooftops"
What does this even mean??? Sterile rooftops?
I would like some questions about the ambulance that I assume they always have standing by and who was in it. Ditto the SUV that did take him away.
Who was in each of those vehicles.
Suppose President Trump had been seriously injured or had even just not stood up, pumped his fist and acted feisty to show he was OK.
It would have been easy for him to have died on the way to the hospital (if this was a hit, not incompetence) "As he ducked down, he apparently hit his head on the podium. This caused a brain bleed and he died of a stroke on the way to the hospital. We did everything possible to save him. Really. Pinky swearsies."
If he had not actually hit his head, a quick rap with a cosh, would have caused the injury and perhaps some kind of injection to complete the job.
John Henry
Hey it's AOC! Now time for 10 mins or inanity!
She needs to be under investigation ... a private investigation ... paid for by Donald Trump. He should sue her ass for criminal negligence. I cannot believe he hasn't already done so.
Why can Donald Trump not see the value in suing the people who are using lawfare against him very effectively and start using it as a weapon against them.
Sorry, 10 mins OF inanity!
Diversity Equivocation Incompetence (DEI)
Breezy: "Has she indicated when the FBI will have all these answers to share with us? We can’t wait for months or even weeks for this…."
You will never get definitive answers. These hearings are not designed to deliver definitive answers.
These hearings are designed for posturing, fundraising, hiding info from the American people, and most importantly, covering up just how deep and diabolical these unaccountable bureaucrats have become and what they are willing to do to maintain power.
thats what happened with lambrakis, in the costas gavras film, Z, i think Yves Montand played him
Resting antidepressant face.
"We're still investigating"
You're investigating yourselves! How long should that take?
Ugh she just indicated 60 days plus some other gobbledygook about IGs. AOC jumped on that though, and said that’s absolutely unacceptable. Also Sessions really shamed her about her lack of knowledge to share here. Good to see bi-partisan piling on.
We deserve answers but we're not going to get them. Its all Kubuki Theater. The House Republicans never hold the Biden administration accountable, and the Senate Republicans dont even pretend to try. Does anyone even remember that Schumer refused to hold an impeachment trial for Mayorakas in direct violation of the constitution?
And no So-called Republican Federal judge is willing to step in.
Once again, they get away with the lie that "everything is hush hush. Cant comment. On-going investigation don't you know". The whitewash will be dragged out, and if we ever learn the facts it be in 2025.
The key question: Did Mayorkas or this lady deny Trump's Secret Service detail the requested addtional staff?
To the D's EVERYTHING is politics. Its a waste of time to listen to them. Just mute your TV and come back when the R's talk.
"The agents on the ground are responsible for failure, not some bureaucrat a thousand miles away."
The head of the Secret Service is responsible for ensuring that the agents perform their jobs at least competently. The fact that someone was able to almost put a bullet through Trump's head shows that they did not do their jobs competently. In fact, what we now know shows that they aren't as competent as an infantry 1st LT. Or a SSG for that matter. Determining how to secure a position from incoming fire is a basic task that is taught and trained in the army to relatively low ranking personnel who are required to be able to do so.
Agree with Gusty - why bother?
Leftists are nothing buy lying liars who lie. Why bother asking questions. they lie... lie... and lie some more. they are moral degenerates who follow orders for $$$ ... (or are threatened) and often lie to line their pockets.
Biggs: "Everybody gets a kiss at the pig....."
WTF?!?!
I believe she's lying and that she led a conspiracy within the Secret Service to LET Donald Trump be murdered. She should be under arrest. Not merely allowed to slink away by resigning into her 7-figure pension.
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...
Agree with Gusty - why bother?
Leftists are nothing buy lying liars who lie. Why bother asking questions. they lie... lie... and lie some more. they are moral degenerates who follow orders for $$$ ... (or are threatened) and often lie to line their pockets.
Because the Republicans in DC are lying liars that lie and lie to line their pockets.
This is a charade. They are pretending to be an opposition party.
If the Republicans were an actual opposition party people would be under arrest right now.
Republicans: Wow the holes in the protection was awful. Let's see how.
Democrats: Damn those AR-15s.
I would be curious about what the security perimeters looked like at other outside venues. Were there rooftops with a line of site to the podium inexplicably left outside the security perimeter and left unguarded in previous rallies?
“Donald Trump was:
-Impeached
-Banned from all social media
-Threatened with ballot removal
-Indicted
-Arrested
-Convicted
-Shot
“And Joe Biden is the one who dropped out.”
Just like with the 4 lawsuits against Trump, they had almost plausible deniability. They were all run out of the WH, but Smith was supposedly independent, and the lead GA prosecutor had multiple trips there. The daughter of the NY judge had millions of dollars of graft delivered to her house from top Dem politicians and donors.
Here, the S S director and the Sec of Homeland Security turned down repeated requests for increased security. Her excuse was that he was not yet, formally, the Republican nominee, just a former President, with normal former Presidential security needs. And, on the day of the attempted assassination, Dr Jill had a last minute trip nearby, siphoning off even more agents. Meanwhile, prominent Dems, from almost the top, including a number in Congress, were publicly suggesting assassination of Trump. And we are supposed to believe that the right hand didn’t know what the left hand was doing.
They treat the levers of power the same way that those running banana republics and repressive oligarchs do, except that they have to hide some of what they are doing, for form’s sake. The power is there to be used, and they are using it for their own advantage. If they can jail or kill Trump, eliminating him as an opponent, with that power, and not have too much blood or dirt on their hands, then mission accomplished. They are truly evil people.
Why is there a music video linked in this post?
RideSpaceMountain said...
"Does Cheatle have her own security detail? I'm curious who's on that."
Roofers mostly. Put her and her team on a side-gabled Cape Cod and she's invincible.
***********
Heh. Stealing that!
A MURDER occurred that SHE and her staff ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
That murder investigation should NOT INCLUDE HER LEADING IT.
RCOCEAN II said...
To the D's EVERYTHING is politics. Its a waste of time to listen to them. Just mute your TV and come back when the R's talk.
Why come back when the Republicans talk?
They are part of the charade.
Nothing will happen. No truths will be unearthed. And they will be sure to ask the wrong questions.
Achilles - some of them certainly.
Link fixed. Thanks, Ann!
Because Cheatle is giving Congress a song and dance?
Trump vs Biden AI
https://x.com/phsjr1/status/1814329661570097283
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Is this the same SS agency that erased text messages from Jan. 5th and 6th after oversight officials asked for them?
“The US Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and 6, 2021, shortly after they were requested by oversight officials investigating the agency’s response to the US Capitol riot, according to a letter given to the House select committee investigating the insurrection and first obtained by CNN.”
John Mosby said:
Many of these congresscritters are making helpful suggestions for things like expanding the perimeters. Cheatle should reply to each one, “If you vote us the money for it, we’ll be glad to do it.”
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NEVER will any federal agency take a step back to see where they are wasting money performing functions no longer serving a purpose. So they always need more money to do anything new.
I told my family the "under investigation" would be all she would say to the dozens of legitimate questions.
Then: The roof was steep. The mission was a failure.
Now: Everything is under investigation. Call me later. (Later definitely being after election day.) Next.
I'd be more impressed if she made her opening statement then added: This is the subject of an ongoing investigation. I can not speak to any aspects of the failures at the rally. I wish you well.
Then she stands and walks out.
OMG - Nancy Mace just said to Cheatle "you're full of shit today."
Nancy Mace knows how to put on a show.
AND F-You if you don't believe!
Inga: "Is this the same SS agency that erased text messages from Jan. 5th and 6th after oversight officials asked for them?"
Yes.
Just like the Mueller/Weissman team wiped their phones all at once, by "accident", in one day, which required a complicated multiple step process, prior to having to turn them in for an investigation.
Similar to Hillary bleach bit-ting her server, like...with a cloth, after Crowdstrike refused to turn it over to the FBI for inspection and instead just handed an internal report over which claimed russki hacking...which ended up being a key part of the russki collusion hoax.
Just like Lois Lerner and her IRS thugs deleted their emails and other traceable comms after targeting tea party members.
Seeing any patterns here?.....
Yancey Ward said...
My theory is still this- the leadership from Cheatle on up to the White House deliberately short-changed Trump on Secret Service resources and competent personnel with a clear malicious indifference to his security. If Trump had been killed on the 13th, they would have privately celebrated their part in the successful assassination. I am open, still, to the possibility that Crooks was groomed by the FBI to commit some sort of terrorist act but this will be buried deep if it happened and won't be easily discovered given the repercussions that would ensue from such a thing.
I am just going to list undisputed facts:
1. The SS declared that the AGR buildings were outside the security perimeter and that they were the responsibility of Local Law Enforcement.
2. The Secret Service occupied the inside of the AGR buildings.
3. LEO's took pictures of the shooter walking around outside the AGR building in broad daylight.
4. The crowd was yelling about a shooter. More than one SS agent heard the crowd yelling about the shooter.
5. Local LEO's responded to the crowd yelling about the shooter and tried to confront him. SS was aware of this from both outside and inside the AGR building.
6. The Secret Service snipers had eyes on the shooter for several minutes before he shot.
7. The shooter thoroughly reconned the site. He knew where to go and how to get there.
There is only one rational explanation for all of this. this was not an accident. This was not incompetence.
The radio communications were obviously being siloed. There was clearly no global radio channel for all of the team leads to monitor. The Asset protection team was either completely separated from radio comms or the Asset protection team leader was a part of the conspiracy. Trump is not on that stage when a person with a gun has been spotted on a roof before he starts speaking.
Inga said...
Is this the same SS agency that erased text messages from Jan. 5th and 6th after oversight officials asked for them?
Yes.
Because they would have helped exonerate Trump.
Similar to Hillary bleach bit-ting her server, like...with a cloth, after Crowdstrike refused to turn it over to the FBI for inspection and instead just handed an internal report over which claimed russki hacking...which ended up being a key part of the russki collusion hoax.
Yes, Crowdstrike is a player in several scenarios.
AOC asked a really good question that Kim Cheatlady couldn't answer: Why is the Secret Service outdoor perimeter shorter than the range of the most powerful and popular sniper rifle in America?
Cheatlady: Uh, er ... um ...
Achilles said...
There is only one rational explanation for all of this. this was not an accident. This was not incompetence.
fun (yet totally serious) question:
IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?
i mean (obviously) other than NOT letting Trump point to that chart
This sniper was taken out MILLISECONDS after his 8th shot. The anti-Sniper team had him in their sights for many minutes prior to him taking those shots. They saw he had a gun. The Secret Service LET HIM DO IT.
Cheatle cannot answer any questions or she would go to prison. She needs to know that she's going to jail anyway the second Donald Trump appoints me Attorney General. She will be interrogated at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba ... using water methods designed for the rest of the terrorists.
I've been thinking about the JFK files. There are a whole bunch, thousands of pages, of files that have never been released by the FBI(?) about the assasination. Congress passed a law mandating their release.
Obama ignored the law
Trump refused to release them saying something like "I've seen what is in them and believe me, you don't want to know" or words to that effect
Biden refused to release them.
I can only imagine that they implicate the govt and not in a good way.
I wonder if in light of the recent murder attempt on President Trump he has changed his thinking? Will we see the release in 24?
I would hope.
John Henry
let's face facts..
In about 8 days, the rulers of this country
a) tried to assassinate the President of The United States...
b) forced the resident of the United States out of the race..
in the next couple of days.. what will be next?
does resident Biden "tragically die" of (with (attributed to) Covid?
does VP Kamela resign.. "for the good of the country" ?
will elections be suspended (and martial law imposed) before or after the shooting war with russia begins?
Throwing the locals under the bus. Again.
Gusty Winds said...
"When we are providing Overwatch whether that be through counter snipers, or other technology prefer to have sterile rooftops"
What does this even mean??? Sterile rooftops?
That isn't a thing. She obviously does not really know what she is doing and just made that up.
She is looking for clear fields of fire or a similar phrase. What she is trying to say is that you want to keep areas clear so agents can be free to engage in that area. This is why these positions are generally set up as close to an L shape as possible.
When you set a private to pull security you have him define his field of fire. We would have them lase it off. We would give them a right and a left boundary. Usually there were friendly units on one side or the other.
The people who set up the security perimeter know where all of the friendly units and civilians will be.
This is a joke. Everyone in that room is playing a part in a charade.
@Althouse, please tell me you are not getting sympathetic towards a woman who took a job that she had no intention of doing.
gilbar said...
Achilles said...
There is only one rational explanation for all of this. this was not an accident. This was not incompetence.
fun (yet totally serious) question:
IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?
i mean (obviously) other than NOT letting Trump point to that chart
You put it perfectly. That is so obvious it screams.
I feel silly that I did not come up with that myself.
“in the next couple of days.. what will be next?
does resident Biden "tragically die" of (with (attributed to) Covid?
does VP Kamela resign.. "for the good of the country" ?
will elections be suspended (and martial law imposed) before or after the shooting war with russia begins?”
Will there be an invasion of space aliens with a cook book, looking to try out some good recipes?
JAORE said...
"I'd be more impressed if she made her opening statement then added: This is the subject of an ongoing investigation. I can not speak to any aspects of the failures at the rally. I wish you well.
Then she stands and walks out."
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That would be pure bullshit. NO LAW prevents any law enforcement from commenting on such an incident.
SS Director H. Stuart Knight testified before a Congressional committee regarding the Ford assassination attempt. His successor John Simpson did the same when Reagan took a bullet.
The usual bases for clamming up---Protecting the Integrity of the Investigation, Privacy Rights and ensuring a Fair Trial---are NOT issues in this case.
It's just contemptuous bureaucratic stonewalling.
So I've not been able to be here every day or read all the threads.
What happened to Chucky Boy? Did he get shot on a roof in Pennsylvania?
Or was he banned or what happened? One would think he would be all over the news here, doing his best trolling.
Cheatle is clearly hiding something.
A former President has been shot in the head. Another man has been murdered. Two others severely injured. The Secret Service appears to be covering all this up and refusing to answer Congress' questions. The FBI is investigating their friends at the Secret Service, their partners, despite this obvious conflict of interest.
Where is the President of the United States?
Why is he not in Washington, DC? Where our government is?
Why is he at his beach house? He has no symptoms of COVID19.
Where is our leadership?
The Dems, for the most part, have their anti-AR/14 talking points, but I'm also impressed that they are also crushing her too. How does this woman survive her job today? Probably because Biden doesn't know what is going on.
"IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?"
*************
Oh....I dunno....how 'bout secretly enlisting a professional hit man from some other country to do the deed, and not a pimply, geeky near-sighted kid who was so dumb as to be visible to the crowd and the snipers?
Inga said...
“in the next couple of days.. what will be next?
does resident Biden "tragically die" of (with (attributed to) Covid?
does VP Kamela resign.. "for the good of the country" ?
will elections be suspended (and martial law imposed) before or after the shooting war with russia begins?”
Will there be an invasion of space aliens with a cook book, looking to try out some good recipes?
It is much more likely that a group of Russians will get together to pick the candidate and help someone get elected.
In reality there is near zero chance of this happening.
But something tells me that you could get some stupid people to fall for it.
Raked over the coals? She should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.
effinayright said...
"IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?"
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Oh....I dunno....how 'bout secretly enlisting a professional hit man from some other country to do the deed, and not a pimply, geeky near-sighted kid who was so dumb as to be visible to the crowd and the snipers?
Would they be able to get him to register as a Republican?
How much do you think the professional hit man would charge for that?
Gusty Winds said...
"What does this even mean??? Sterile rooftops?"
Remember people: Spay or neuter your rooftop!
It's a known fact that Liz Cheney and her Nancy Pelosi appointed Jan 6th Bullshit squad - hid all sorts of information. You know - lying liars like to hide things.
Darkisland wrote: "He really needs to put in an appearance in front of the public or the media."
My prediction is that you will never see Joe Biden alive again. Ever.
Precisely because he might say he never signed no letter and that he's running for President.
They cannot allow him to say that, even if it is caused by dementia. So you're never going to see him again.
You would think that all the politicians, Democrats included, would like a good, efficient, competent Secret Service.
They rely on them too.
The Dems, for the most part, have their anti-AR/14 talking points
As if you somehow NEEDED an AR-15 to shoot the President from there.
You don't. Any common hunting rifle would do the job.
Darkisland said...
Gilbar,
The question is not if Brandon will die of Kung Flu
More likely a stroke.
The real question is whether he has already died. Of Kung Flu or something else.
Or entered a coma.
This is day 5. The probability we never see Joe Speak in public again is approaching 1.
Why do so many care about the actions of the counter-sniper team? The only effective response came from the counter-snipers. The question should be, what is there ROE and were they communicating what they were observing. I lived through the Bill Clinton Presidency. I don’t want snipers that fire first. I don’t care if you agree or not, because I see many other events in the kill chain that could have stopped Crooks before the shooting. To me, worrying about counter-snipers is focusing on the last barrier to fail. They are not the root cause.
https://www.mxmnews.com/article/9d6d3886-4301-4794-a9c5-69bc9e5cd922?emails-jill-biden-had-four-times-the-personnel-for-post-standing-as-trump-for-pa-events
"You would think that all the politicians, Democrats included, would like a good, efficient, competent Secret Service.
They rely on them too."
You couldn't be more wrong. The forces protecting democrats aren't visible, and they certainly don't appear like guys ready to assault Fallujah. Incompetence provides them and the deep state that protects them plausible deniability when things go wrong...for conservatives only of course.
Seems to me, there are two options here:
1) The Secret Service lacked the competence to prevent an attempt to kill Donald Trump.
2) The Secret Service was involved in an attempt to kill Donald Trump.
If there are other options, I'm listening.
Rep. Lauren Bobert: "'I demand proof of life from Joe Biden today by 5:00pm. He needs to get in front of some camera and discuss if he’s aware that he dropped out. Hiding is completely unacceptable."
Glenn Greenwald: "It's strange and wrong that Biden hasn't spoken given the historic magnitude of his announcement. Having a President drop out by tweet and then disappear is bizarre. If he's well enough to decide, then he's well enough to speak."
People are beginning to notice that there's no actual proof that Joe Biden said any of this. Any person could have posted that tweet. His social media account is typically authored by a 20-year-old Deputy Director of Platforms in the White House. Joe Biden doesn't have access to that account, despite what anyone might tell you.
There's a third option Mason G:
3) The secret service lacked the desire to prevent an attempt to kill Donald Trump.
They didn't plan it. But once they detected the plan, they let it proceed. They wanted Trump dead and they were just fine with some 20-year-old kid taking all the blame.
Donald Trump is STILL in grave, grave danger. He is in the middle of a viper's nest of people who want him dead.
effinayright said...
"IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?"
*************
Oh....I dunno....how 'bout secretly enlisting a professional hit man from some other country to do the deed, and not a pimply, geeky near-sighted kid who was so dumb as to be visible to the crowd and the snipers?
But if they hired a foreign hit man could they get him to register as a Republican?
Leland wonders: "Why do so many care about the actions of the counter-sniper team?"
Because their actions reveal their motive. They LET the assassination attempt occur (that is indisputable by the fact of it) when it is their job to PREVENT assassination attempts.
Letting one occur is willfully illegal and constitutes a conspiracy, regardless of whatever ROE were in place. If the ROE was not to engage until fired upon, then that is evidence of a conspiracy to kill Donald Trump for which people should be prosecuted.
They let it happen. That was a crime. CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE is illegal. As is CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. Either way, the Secret Service anti-sniper team committed a crime.
their ROE
You raise a good point, Dixcus, although one might argue that...
"They didn't plan it. But once they detected the plan, they let it proceed."
kind of gets you involved in the plan by enabling it to proceed. So let's split the difference and call it Option 2a).
Blogger Dixcus said...
Leland wonders: "Why do so many care about the actions of the counter-sniper team?"
Because their actions reveal their motive. They LET the assassination attempt occur (that is indisputable by the fact of it) when it is their job to PREVENT assassination attempts.
And if their ROE is to not shoot before fired upon, that also tells us exactly their motive, why they didn't shoot first, and they were doing their job.
Letting one occur is willfully illegal and constitutes a conspiracy, regardless of whatever ROE were in place. If the ROE was not to engage until fired upon, then that is evidence of a conspiracy to kill Donald Trump for which people should be prosecuted.
That's ridiculous. You also have no idea how to investigate an incident like this. You don't start with the last barrier and say "well there's your problem". It's a meme to do so. Investigators look for root causes. Try just using the 5 Whys technique. You want to suggest CONSPIRACY, then don't start by looking at a singular person.
Why did the counter-sniper team shoot last? We've been told because of the ROE.
Why did the ROE have them shoot second? We've been told to prevent false-positives.
Why was the USSS worried about false-positives? When was the last time USSS accidentally shot anybody?
Why were not other methods used to properly identify the situation as it unfolded? As in why were drones not buzzing around Crooks head?
Why was the USSS not able to secure a perimeter greater than 100m?
Why wasn't the protectee not notified?
Why was Crooks not held in custody after being photographed prone by LOE using a laser range finder?
Leland is proving where the Democrats think they are vulnerable: the anti-sniper team.
That's where they don't want the focus to be.
Seriously Dixcus, if you think there was an actual conspiracy, your line of thought would only bag the lowest person in on the conspiracy. That's before we get into whether the counter-sniper team was USSS personnel or the local LOE SWAT snipers, which I think is up for debate. Even if it was a mix, the ROE would pertain to all comers. Wouldn't you want to start with the ROE and why it existed as it did?
Blogger Dixcus said...
Leland is proving where the Democrats think they are vulnerable: the anti-sniper team.
Now you are being a moronic troll.
Leland, it's fine with me if you want to get lost in the weeds of minutia. I won't be.
I think it was a hit, the USSS didn't just have lack security for Trump and hope some idiot took advantage of it. After Biden's debate performance time was of the essence. The USSS had to have lack security and C level personnel for this fuck to exploit and to insure they didn't actually stop the threat.
Blogger Dixcus said...
Leland is proving where the Democrats think they are vulnerable: the anti-sniper team.
That's where they don't want the focus to be.
My more pointed response was moderated out. So I'll be kinder. Exactly why do you think the focus should be on the only part of the USSS team that stopped a mass shooting? Why do you think that makes you seem smart or intelligent?
I'm the one pointing out since the first mention of the shooting that Democrat legislators have been trying to strip Trump of Secret Service protection and denying it to RFK Jr. I mentioned it earlier in this thread. So you are stupid to suggest I'm a Democrat representative worried about where they are vulnerable in terms of culpability. They are vulnerable at the top as to the quality of personnel they deployed, the process in which they secured the location, and the rules of engagement they provided.
You, Dixcus, wants us to focus on the one unit that responded appropriately. Why are you trying to get us to worry about the effective team? Are you a Democrat? Are you in on the conspiracy? That's how silly you look right now.
Kimberly Cheatle went to Eastern Illinois. And is a mutt.
Listening on tv. Refusing to answer questions until the investigation is done.
For comparison, if she was working for Putin or Xi, should would have been executed already.
Achilles said...
effinayright said...
"IF they WANTED to assassinate President Trump; WHAT would they have done differently than what they did?"
*************
Oh....I dunno....how 'bout secretly enlisting a professional hit man from some other country to do the deed, and not a pimply, geeky near-sighted kid who was so dumb as to be visible to the crowd and the snipers?
But if they hired a foreign hit man could they get him to register as a Republican?
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Could they also get him to contribute a few bucks to a Dem PAC, which he did?
What's yer point here? Mine is, why would the SS and FBI enlist a rank amateur to perform such an act? One where he could be SEEN by the people at the rally?
A hit man would make damn sure he shot from a great distance, not right there at the venue, where he could remain unseen---the way snipers operate....
There is only one rational explanation for all of this. this was not an accident. This was not incompetence.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I am not a crazy gun nut. I own a 12 gauge and I shoot clay pigeons some time so I very may well be out over my skis. BUT, I am friends with many crazy gun nuts and here is what I believe to be true. Someone tell me I a full of shit if I am.
1. Anyone who owns an AR usually owns almost always owns other guns as well.
2. These other weapons (like say a 30-06) would be a better gun for his mission.
3. A real "gun nut" would not take the wrong gun to his party.
So why is our assassin wearing a T-shirt to promote his bona fides as a gun nut, but not actually behaving like a real gun nut. Why is he carrying the gun the feds want to ban rather than the gun an assassin would typically select? That's the first question. I think I know the answer.
in western Pennsylvania, everyone owns a deer rifle. and they close school on the first day of deer season. Not only does this help local working class get extra meat, but keeps the deer population under control so you don't wreck your car hitting them.
so this has nothing to do with gun control. It was a legal rifle.
Not stopping a guy carrying a deer rifle and a backpack in a security area was the problem. Not placing cops on the roof, and not sending anyone out to find the kid (no service dogs, no drones?) was the problem. Heck, the only ones who took some initiative to find the guy were the local traffic cops, and the experts tried to make them the scapegoats.
There was a time in history when such incompetence would result in summary execution. The minimum would be immediate removal, exile, and then shunning.
The fact that this person is still employed does seem to indicate some level of approval by her boss. Or her boss is so addled and that he barely knows what is going on.
Blogger Curious George said...
Kimberly Cheatle went to Eastern Illinois. And is a mutt.
Hilarious. I went to Eastern Illinois. I'm 55 she's 51. At that time Eastern IL was a thrown down state PARTY SCHOOL!!
Although I would recommend a mediocre party school to anybody, from what I saw there, nobody from EIU should be in charge of the secret service.
"1. Anyone who owns an AR usually owns almost always owns other guns as well.
2. These other weapons (like say a 30-06) would be a better gun for his mission.
3. A real "gun nut" would not take the wrong gun to his party."
1. Yes
2. No. An AR15 with a 16" barrel and M193 55gr ball ammo will generate muzzle velocity of approaching a kilometer/sec. With a 20" barrel 55gr ball will EXCEED 1Km/sec. A 55gr 5.56x45mm round going as near to maximum velocity will make a persons head blow up, not figuratively.
3. He brought the right gun to the party. Perfectly acceptable. And also the perfect political scapegoat weapon had he pulled it off.
Reported by CNN:
Cheatle told ABC News on Monday that “the Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the former president” and “the buck stops with me, I am the director of the Secret Service.” She says she plans to stay on as director.
Ignoring the nuts and bolts details of security at the event, I'd like someone to ask Ms. Cheatle what she thinks “the buck stops with me” means. You know, since she says she plans to stay on as director after this colossal failure.
AOC is making great points about the failure.
Eric Erickson is playing highlights on the radio.
Cheatle is taking a page out of the Biden playbook.
‘I won’t quit and y’all can’t make me.’
IF they really wanted to find out what went wrong, the session would be conducted behind closed doors, under oath.
1. What is the team configuration of SS personnel for the POTUS?
2. What was the team configuration of SS personnel for the DOCTOR Jill, on the same day?
3. What was the team configuration of SS personnel for Donald Trump, on that day?
4. What was the team configuration of SS personnel for Donald Trump, over the past year?
and so on. The House Republicans would have their own security experts on hand to quietly advise and prompt the members on what questions to ask.
Aggie 👆🏽
"An AR15 with a 16" barrel and M193 55gr ball ammo will generate muzzle velocity of approaching a kilometer/sec. With a 20" barrel 55gr ball will EXCEED 1Km/sec. A 55gr 5.56x45mm round going as near to maximum velocity will make a persons head blow up, not figuratively."
Is that how a gun nut thinks? Or would a gun nut take the higher powered weapon and shoot center mass, kevlar be damned?
n.n. offers "Diversity, Equivocation, Incompetence."
How about "Deflection [or Denial], Equivocation, Incompetence"?
An AR15 with a 16" barrel and M193 55gr ball ammo will generate muzzle velocity of approaching a kilometer/sec...
Forensic analysis.
Daily Mail is now reporting that the signature on Biden's "alleged" stepping back letter isn't his and differs greatly from all his other known signature exemplars.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13659329/joe-biden-sign-resignation-letter-theory-internet.html
It is also known that Joe Biden does not control his Twitter account (it's run by the Deputy Director of Platforms at the White House.)
How many democrats are calling for an "assault weapons" ban at this hearing? 🤔 Interesting, isn't it?
Vance: "So I've not been able to be here every day or read all the threads.
What happened to Chucky Boy? Did he get shot on a roof in Pennsylvania?
Or was he banned or what happened? One would think he would be all over the news here, doing his best trolling."
He reached his breaking point about 2 weeks ago when it became clear all the lawfare was collapsing and Trump emerged as a Mythic Hero after the failed Deep State/Dem assassination attempt and everyone spent most of everyday laughing at his antics.
He probably also realized at long last that his schtick as an online "True Conservative" that only mouths dem talking points and supports far left policies had fully run its course, much like Rich and lonejustice will figure out shortly with their similar schtick.
Chuckles posted an hilarious Departure Notice (along with an alluded to private message to Althouse that he also simply had to publicly announce) when he made his Miss Piggy-like drama diva departure.
Everyone in the SS who screwed with Trump's security should be prosecuted for accessor to murder, for the death of Corey Comperatore. And they should be prosecuted in Butler, PA
I read the title as "impressive" for a moment. Not quite.
"Is that how a gun nut thinks? Or would a gun nut take the higher powered weapon and shoot center mass, kevlar be damned?"
Center-mass training is training provided to produce A) the highest likelihood of serious or fatal damage in conjuction with B) the highest likelihood of producing a hit (aka "shot placement") by increasing the relative size of the target.
A head is a relatively small target to hit, but is almost always fatal. A torso is a larger target, and is mostly fatal. It's about efficacy ratios at different ranges.
The Director had 9 days from the shooting to be briefed and prepared.
She must have (should have) had walk throughs of what happened and whos and whys and wheres and have a preliminary view.
If she hasn't she should be fired for gross incompetence.
So, what came out in the walk throughs?
"kevlar be damned?"
Another urban myth. NIJ Level IIIA armor is the highest level of protection afforded by soft-armor (aka 'bullet-proof vest') and is, in conjunction with other levels and 'trauma-plates', the predominant armor police in the USA would wear.
Almost no soft armor I am aware of is capable of defeating rifle threats. For that Level III or Level IV steel, ceramic, composite, etc. hard armors are required.
We will likely never know if Trump was wearing some kind of armor, but it A) would not have saved him unless he had rifle plates front/back/sides and B) is moot because the target was his head.
More evidence of SS indifference to Trump's security needs, as well as Dr.Jill's influence on the agency::
https://www.mxmnews.com/article/9d6d3886-4301-4794-a9c5-69bc9e5cd922?emails-jill-biden-had-four-times-the-personnel-for-post-standing-as-trump-for-pa-events
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has raised serious concerns about the Secret Service’s allocation of security resources following a revelation that First Lady Jill Biden received four times the number of Secret Service personnel than former President Donald Trump for events in Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024. Grassley’s inquiry stems from whistleblowers, showing that Jill Biden had 12 agents for “post standing” at her Pittsburgh event, while Trump had only 3 for his rally in Butler.
After decades of supervision, I found there are always situations where those you entrust with certain duties will fail with their task, and a prompt correction is required. That's the questions that need to be asked. What's being done to prevent this again, who in a lower position failed with their job, and what were their instructions? If that can't answered by the highest person in charge, they aren't qualified and should be replaced.
What's yer point here? Mine is, why would the SS and FBI enlist a rank amateur to perform such an act? One where he could be SEEN by the people at the rally?
Perhaps because a competent shooter would be aware that his chances of survival were damned close to zero. A good shooter would take up a position at least 800 meters (roughly a half mile) away to improve his chances of escape, he’d use a bolt action rifle with at least a match grade barrel (or perhaps a Springfield Armory M1A), and he’d probably have fitted a silencer (even though the bullet would be supersonic). And a true scope, not a red dot sight suitable for a handgun.
Diversity, Equivocation, Incompetence."
How about "Deflection [or Denial], Equivocation, Incompetence"?
Yes, but the key to DEI/IED/DIE is Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry), particularly hiring and promotion policies, which may have been the deciding factor in the Boeing door hanging of its mount midair, Boeing craft lost in space, LTEL (LETHAL) Act, etc.
"Will there be an invasion of space aliens...?"
The return of Abby Normal. Actually an improvement over homicidal maniac.
Chuckles posted an hilarious Departure Notice (along with an alluded to private message to Althouse that he also simply had to publicly announce) when he made his Miss Piggy-like drama diva departure.
Really. I missed that. But then my new Althouse Blog hours are on East Coast time, and I start early before she gets to posting usually, so I miss a lot of late afternoon looniness. TBC by "miss" I mean I did not see it, not that I long for the inane drag-queen "Republican" drivel he shoveled as "a true conservative" conserving conservatism by promoting Democrats exclusively. The less ruparring 'round here the better.
Did anyone else see that hole in Trump's suit, suggesting a second shot had perhaps hit his ballistic vest? Did Cheaterle get any questions on that today?
tolkein: "The Director had 9 days from the shooting to be briefed and prepared."
And so she was..and she is performing precisely as her team requires.
@ridespacemountain
You seem to know your shit. So if you are waling through your armory, what weapon would you pick and why? For what reasons do you select the AR over a hunting rifle? Why the Crooks make that choice. Assume he didn't reach into a bag and picked the first thing that came out. What reasons? It's easier to conceal? Less recoil? Does recoil matter if your plan is a single headshot anyhow? I'm interest in the thought process.
AOC asked a really good question that Kim Cheatlady couldn't answer: Why is the Secret Service outdoor perimeter shorter than the range of the most powerful and popular sniper rifle in America?
That's a stupid question, actually. Not that I would expect anything better from that ignorant barmaid.
The AR-15 pattern rifle may be the most popular rifle in America, but it is neither powerful nor a sniper rifle. In many states you can't even go deer hunting with the cartridge it fires, because it is considered too light and underpowered for a reliable clean kill.
The military issues it to soldiers specifically because the cartridges are small and lightweight, allowing more of them to be carried in a ruck. They don't mind its lack of high-powered killing capability and its relatively short effective range, because soldiers in a typical firefight are not shooting at extreme distances, and wounding an opponent is even better than killing him as it ties up other opposing forces to tend to his wounds and carry him behind the lines.
Snipers who are shooting at long range (typically over 500 meters) or extreme long range (over 1000 meters) use a much more powerful cartridge, some of which exceed elephant guns in muzzle energy. Out to 1000 meters or so, they might choose a high-quality, precision AR-10 pattern rifle, which resembles the AR-15 but has a significantly longer semi-automatic action and heavier barrel and other components, allowing it to shoot substantially more capable cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmor. Or they might use a bolt action rifle that superficially resembles Grandpa's deer rifle from 1950 or so, but with vastly upgraded precision components and optics and flatter-shooting, faster, more powerful modern cartridges
Beyond 1000 meters every sharpshooter is using extremely expensive, sophisticated bolt-action rifles, as well as high-powered optics that frequently cost more than the rifle. The .338 Lapua Magnum often used for this purpose has a 300 grain bullet traveling with 5000 foot-pounds of kinetic energy at the muzzle. The 5.56 mm cartridge of an AR-15 or M-16 is typically using a 62 grain bullet with around 1300 ft-lbs of kinetic energy.
If well-trained, well-equipped snipers ever become a serious threat, the Secret Service perimeters are going to have to be pushed back to a half mile or more.
"Did anyone else see that hole in Trump's suit, suggesting a second shot had perhaps hit his ballistic vest? Did Cheaterle get any questions on that today?"
I dont believe that picture has been confirmed by any involved parties, including the Trump team. I think he would have mentioned it...unless they purposely didnt for their own reasons.
In any event, unconfirmed as far as I know today.
Hassayamper: "If well-trained, well-equipped snipers ever become a serious threat, the Secret Service perimeters are going to have to be pushed back to a half mile or more."
Think of "well-trained, well-equipped snipers" attacking Trump more as assets for our SS "protectors" rather than "threats". Everything makes alot more sense then.
SDaly: "Chuck probably disappeared because his funding dried up."
He was constantly attempting to divert Althouse readers to The Bulwark buffoons, Lincoln Pedophile Project, MSNBC and CNN commentators, etc.
So you may have a point there.
I wonder if the Director visited the sight afterwards? If I was in her role, especially if I was about to face Congressional testimony, I would have wanted to be out there. I know she was at the RNC, which is a party for all involved if you never been to one (even if are anti-Republican, there are parties to attend). I would have wanted to see the building before I even made some silly statement like "the roof was too sloped", or at least I would have fully attributed that statement to whatever pre-inspection or post-incident report made such a claim (and damn her if she came up with her on her own without seeing the building). These are basic things any leadership that faced a safety incident would do.
"Did anyone else see that hole in Trump's suit, suggesting a second shot had perhaps hit his ballistic vest? Did Cheaterle get any questions on that today?"
I dont believe that picture has been confirmed by any involved parties, including the Trump team. I think he would have mentioned it...unless they purposely didnt for their own reasons.
If it were real, wouldn't he at least have broken ribs, etc.
What's yer point here? Mine is, why would the SS and FBI enlist a rank amateur to perform such an act? One where he could be SEEN by the people at the rally?
Because he was never suppose to get a shot off. Listen to the audio. Three controlled shots to start the events. Then a delay. Then (I believe a different gun) fires a series of erratic shots before the counter sniper takes him out. Those first three shots were supposed to take out Trump but he turned his head. Then Crooks (who was not supposed to be alive at the time) fired into the crowd.
BTW-I've had a couple comments deleted so I am not sure if it is our hostess or Blogger/Google censorship.
“when he made his Miss Piggy-like drama diva departure...”
I am thankful I wasn’t drinking a beverage when I read that, lol.
couple comments deleted so I am not sure if it is our hostess or Blogger/Google censorship.
I've been told it is Blogger and rather random, although it seemed my "best" ones disappeared last week.
“Chuck probably disappeared because his funding dried up.”
I suspect the chicken he’d been “abusing” finally passed away and departed these mortal coils for the big chicken coop in the sky.
Foster Farms had a restraining order issued against him about 3 years ago.
Chuck got his titty in a twist and left because his real name was published by a commenter here.
Althouse graciously deleted the comment.
He will be back with a new name.
I would have done the same thing.
Did anyone ask if the agent in charge is still in charge--not suspended? Will they keep his name secret longer than Michael Byrd's?
It's very simple. The phrase "the buck stops here" refers to the fact that she believes that her paycheck will continue no matter how poorly she does her job.
That roof DID GET OVERWATCH.
What is "overwatch?" It means that the location was secured by having individuals in a higher location (over) that lower location watching over it to secure it.
And indeed, that occurred. The "overwatch" was provided by a Secret Service anti-sniper team of 2 armed men with sniper rifles, one of whom was a spotter and one a shooter.
Both men had this suspect in their scopes for minutes, and could see that he had an AR-15. The shooter of the team killed the suspect with a direct head shot from 140 yards. But of course, that only happened AFTER he watched the suspect take 8 shots that killed one person, injured two others and of course shot the former President of the United States in the head.
Overwatch! They just watched it happen. One could say they LET it happen and did nothing to prevent the assassination attempt.
Heritage Foundation: Cell phone data connected to Trump shooter's house can be tracked to DC "in the same vicinity of an FBI office" (and more)
Well. That was probably a "fun" and "informative" "visit".
https://x.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1815468895702024508?t=X84wr5wvh3xzv1lokkG0NA&s=19
Sometimes in a Congressional hearing--conducted by bloviating congress critters you just have to sit there and take it. See e.g. Brett Kavanaugh. And now Ms. Cheatle is getting the roasting she do richly deserves. I do hope she remembered to put on her asbestos underclothes because some things are going to be said that will burn.
She quacks like a duck... Strangelove parodied the bureaucratic two-step right before they whacked JFK
Muffley:
General Turgidson, I find this very difficult to understand. I was under the impression that I was the only one in authority to order the use of nuclear weapons.
Turgidson:
That's right sir. You are the only person authorized to do so. And although I hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like General Ripper exceeded his authority....
Muffley:
There's nothing to figure out General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic.
Turgidson:
Well, I'd like to hold off judgment on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in.
Muffley:
anger rising General Turgidson, when you instituted the human reliability tests, you assured me there was no possibility of such a thing ever occurring.
Turgidson:
Well I don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip up sir.
Overwatch. As in 'overlook'.
Scott M said...
If you weren't hired for competence, you won't be fired for incompetence.
That's a sadly profound statement, although not completely true.
If you get hired because you're someone's friend, then you can easily be fired for your incompetence putting too much heat on the person who hired you
So: did Crooks visit an FBI office in DC in June?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1815446054428352591.html
We shall see. But would anyone fall out of their chairs if this is true?
“I didn’t believe until right now that a specific stand down order was given by the Secret Service to leave the assassin alone. But now that we know Cheatle refused to record or archive the comms (or potentially even deleted them), I don’t think there’s any other conclusion to draw.”
—- Sean Davis
There is much fuckery afoot.
Way up the thread Sally 327 made an observation: "I don't think she can answer a question that would indicate how the SS goes about determining where the perimeter starts and stops and how what's inside or outside it is evaluated for risk." Sorry Sally, but the theory and practice of establishing a defensive perimeter is as old as military tactics. Going back to my claim that a raw USMC Second Lieutenant at the Basic School could have done a better job planning and executing the withdrawal from Afghanistan, I will say that that same inexperienced Second Lieutenant could have done a better establishing the perimeter at Trump's rally. Usually one starts with a map, but in this case they had aerial photos of the location. First thing you see in the photos is that there are several high points that overlook the podium and each one has a clear field of fire to that podium. My mythical Second Lieutenant would first designate a fire team to control each of those high points. No big secret, just painfully obvious. Having eliminated the distant high points our mythical Second Lieutenant would then turn his attention the possible locations of close-in threats. Apparently the SS has figured that part out- maybe. If our Second Lieutenant failed to establish the appropriate defensive perimeter as the SS did, he might not lose his commission, but he would sure as hell be relegated to being a Motor Transport Officer where he could not do any harm with his lack of tactical understanding. Cheatle should be defenestrated and one of my Lieutenants who knew to cover the high ground should take over.
D.D. Driver: "We shall see. But would anyone fall out of their chairs if this is true?"
No, but its bad fieldwork, that's for sure. However, we have reached the peak "elites" incompetence and corruption level which accompanies failed/near collapse empires.
As Peggy Noonan called it on election night in 2016, Trump was elected because enough people were tired of being lorded over by our inferiors who call themselves "elites".
Now we find out the SS has no audio recordings for the day of the assassination... none. Least that is what Cheatle says.
So did she use Hillary's bleachbit or what?
Blogger D.D. Driver said...
@ridespacemountain
You seem to know your shit. So if you are waling through your armory, what weapon would you pick and why? For what reasons do you select the AR over a hunting rifle? Why the Crooks make that choice. Assume he didn't reach into a bag and picked the first thing that came out. What reasons? It's easier to conceal? Less recoil? Does recoil matter if your plan is a single headshot anyhow? I'm interest in the thought process.
Not going to speak for rsm but I will add some input:
Our snipers had options but when they were planning to cover 600 yards or less they generally used a base m4(ar15) rig with I think an 8x adjustable optic, suppressor 16’ or 18’ barrel and a bolt lock, This is a relatively light weight and manageable setup.
They had 7.62 and 50 cal rigs as options. They took those when longer ranges were needed or vehicle interdiction was a possibility.
For what this kid was trying to do the ar15 was absolutely a legitimate choice and superior to almost anything else.
I will say a bullpup bolt action like the DT SRS would get on the board of family feud as well. The ar rig is pretty long and hard to put in a backpack.
And "secure" does not mean "overwatch", it means physically controlling that piece of ground, or roof, as the case may be.
minnesota farm guy said...
And "secure" does not mean "overwatch", it means physically controlling that piece of ground, or roof, as the case may be
In a discussion about the jargon flying around I will say that overwatch is being both over and mis used.
The Secret Service shouldn't be a career choice for chubby soccer moms.
And yet, here we are.
My question from some days ago was "Who developed the security plan?" I still don't know that and I think it is kind of important to question that person.
Big Mike said...
What's yer point here? Mine is, why would the SS and FBI enlist a rank amateur to perform such an act? One where he could be SEEN by the people at the rally?
Perhaps because a competent shooter would be aware that his chances of survival were damned close to zero. A good shooter would take up a position at least 800 meters (roughly a half mile) away to improve his chances of escape, he’d use a bolt action rifle with at least a match grade barrel (or perhaps a Springfield Armory M1A), and he’d probably have fitted a silencer (even though the bullet would be supersonic). And a true scope, not a red dot sight suitable for a handgun.
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This argument chases its tail: if the kid was an amateur, he might be easier to kill, but he also might be more likely to screw up---which he did. Those rapid fire shots indicate a lack of experience. Had he assessed why his first shot missed he could have taken a better one.
Instead, he just blazed away, the later shots being farther away than the first.
That's not what the pro hiding 800 meters away in the woods would have done.
We'll all be interested to see if any of the kid's friends, neighbors and schoolmates know if he had been visited by Men in Black. If not, I remain skeptical.
has anybody reviewed if Cheatle can handle fieldwork with armor and guns?
in The Firm Wilford Brimley was convincingly menacing hunting Tom Cruise
minnesota farm guy said...
... I will say that that same inexperienced Second Lieutenant could have done a better establishing the perimeter at Trump's rally. ....
7/22/24, 3:59 PM
Parents who have chaperoned a teenager's social event (high school band trip, for example) could do a better job of choosing where you need observers and do a better job of stopping and questioning anyone acting suspicious.
Of course no one will ask them because they're probably all members of their schools' PTAs and so are on some FBI terrorist watch list.
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