From "Obama tells allies Biden’s path to winning reelection has greatly diminished/The former president, hugely influential in the party, has told associates that Biden’s path to victory has significantly shrunk" (WaPo).
We're told "Biden aides say Obama could have stopped Academy Award-winning actor George Clooney, a close friend of the former president, from writing an op-ed in the New York Times that called on Biden to drop out of the presidential race...." Yes, he could have, and he didn't. It's sort of as if Obama had written the op-ed. Poor Obama! So "revered" he must "keep a low profile." It's almost as if we can't know what he thinks. And yet we do know, don't we?
By the way, what's up with the "perhaps" — "Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure"? Who else is in the running?
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Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck up Obama's legacy.
"Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure"? Who else is in the running?"
How soon they forget. Does Happy Birthday to this future president ring a bell?
"and has shared his views about the president’s challenges"
Even before Biden started showing obvious signs of dementia, Obama thought he was a total fuck up.
"Does Happy Birthday to this future president ring a bell?"
I presumed the phrase referred only to living Presidents.
Biden Lies Matter (BLM) . He's not a viable candidate, perhaps Obama's "burden"... uh, burden for Democrazis.
His "path to winning has diminished" is all they care about. That Biden himself is of diminished capacity is irrelevant. Winning and maintaining power is all that matters.
Some Bye-den Bye-kus
Mumblin and stumblin
Is no way to win again
Joe is too damn old.
Take a hint, Biden
Obama just shivved your ass
Shuffle off stage now
Good bye, Joe Biden
Like an unwanted fetus
You're not viable
Face the music, Joe
D's don't want you around
C'mon man, retire.
Joe, you old fucker
You're not useful anymore
And you shit your pants.
But on the bright side
Now you can pardon Hunter
Any time you want.
If only Democrats had a primary, they could have sorted all this stuff out at the ballot box.
It sounds like to me the Democrats and the media (I again repeat myself) might be trying to make Biden's withdrawal a fait accompli. Now, I have read no contradiction from the Biden team, so maybe Biden is leaning towards withdrawing but they could also be playing possum to get through the weekend.
""Does Happy Birthday to this future president ring a bell?"
I presumed the phrase referred only to living Presidents. "
Think Hillary, not JFK.
St Obama is far more revered than Hillary among D's. It's not even close.
"If only Democrats had a primary, they could have sorted all this stuff out at the ballot box."
They did hold a primary. Most of the proposed list of Save Us From Joe Biden didn't show up. The couple of non-entities that did were the longest of long shots.
"St Obama is far more revered than Hillary among D's. It's not even close."
I certainly agree with that. But I think M. Fitzgerald was, in humor, referring to Hillary's birthday card to herself.
I bet Obama can perhaps still walk on water, if he tried.
Today's Democrat party and this Presidency are a sad mix of self-righteousness, personal ego, party politics, backstabbing, and human frailty, harbored safely in a whole lot of media gaslighting. One hopes for true compassion, as is their franchise claim. Times like this show the wolves inside the sheep's clothing.
I hope Biden is not listening to Obama. Or anyone else who wants him to drop out. Biden needs to stay the course.
Get through these next two weeks and he'll be the nominee. And they'll all come back to "Team Biden". Obama wasn't really in Biden's corner in 2020. He's not the most faithful of friends.
Joe apparently can't even win a 'war' against his own party leaders. How would he hope to succeed against Putin, Xi and the lot? It feels a lot like Biden was never actually able to ascend to the top of the party himself but was allowed to serve by others. Now that permission is being withdrawn, he seems unable to counter it.
If Biden goes then the candidate figures to be Harris — if she wants it. She might not. The advantage of Harris as candidate is that the Democrats can spend the next four years bitching about racism and sexism instead of understanding why their policies are so unpopular.
Michael Fitzgerald said..."Does Happy Birthday to this future president ring a bell?"
I suspect that a shocking number of people under 50 only know JFK as "that guy who got shot," if that. Reverence is for pop stars, like Taylor Swift. Heck, even she is starting to get a little long in the tooth for today's world.
To the larger question of who else might be revered, there really aren't any other real options, are there? Bill Clinton might get some reverence from those old enough to remember him directly as President, but his relative moderation by today's standards has no place in the current Democratic Party. RBG used to qualify, but she didn't resign, so screw her, say today's Dems.
Say what you will about Obama's policies, but arguably the most significant criticism to be made about him as a party leader is that his cult of personality effectively destroyed the pipeline of younger Democrats who could potentially appeal to a broad base of the public as credible leaders. Come to think of it, in true cult of personality style, the only other person likely to be revered by today's Democratic Party is Michelle Obama, which explains why so many on the Left have masturbatory fantasies about her running for President.
“Poor Obama! So "revered" he must "keep a low profile." It's almost as if we can't know what he thinks. And yet we do know, don't we?“
I suspect Obama may feel he needs to maintain a position of plausible deniability. If, for example, he was to unequivocally and publicly advise Biden to step aside, and Biden did, and then Kamala Harris took over and lost anyway, then Obama’s aura of omniscience would be seriously dented.
"Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure"? Who else is in the running?
Thomas Matthew Crooks?
I have always presumed that the calls for Biden to step down would be withheld until the go forward plan was worked out and agreed. They must have the name fixed, or the public calls to end Biden wouldn't be coming. I certainly don't believe for a minute, that they are calling for Biden to step down and then planning on waiting to see what happens next.
Even before Biden started showing obvious signs of dementia, Obama thought he was a total fuck up.
Yes, that's probably why Obama did nothing to support him publicly (except for the vote fraud in 2020) in 2016.
Obama may have to take Biden paddleboarding on the Vineyard.
""Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure"? Who else is in the running?
Thomas Matthew Crooks?"
Nah, his aim was too poor for that lofty position.
By many accounts, Joe and the good Doctor hate the Obamas. There is a chance this will motivate them to fight that much harder to hang on and if they take down the party in the process, so be it.
I don’t which is going to be more fun to watch. Either the fight to get Bidens to give up or the eventual dance to get another candidate besides Kamala without dividing the party.
Obama became a Democratic icon because of his 50% African immigrant DNA. As half white and generally "privileged," he never had much to do with poor urban US blacks following from slavery.
Instead, Obama reflects the last time Democrats were truly united by symbolism ("A black man CAN be President"), as the tensions between Bernie and Hillary were strong. The pre-2016 unity ship has sailed, with race and gender and defunded police and dying downtowns and pedophiles and white bashing and COVID and immigration and offshoring and environment and working class vs. elite priorities driving wedge after wedge into Obama-era Party unity.
Biden's term was a Pyrrhic victory over Trump, with the Party turning the reins over to bullies, militants, utopians, and the mentally ill -- served up with a nice thick slab of inflation. Referencing Obama now is akin to dragging an old rock star or movie star out of retirement: his fans will be happy for a moment but many will remember all the changes that followed.
"Is 538 Corrupt?"
As of 2:00 PM today, they give Biden a 52% chance of winning and favor Biden to win PA, WI, and MI.
Meanwhile the RCP betting market has Trump as nearly an 8 to 1 favorite:
Trump 61.3 to Biden 7.8
Never forgot that all these people, including the media, knew Biden was senile. Yet, if not for the disastrous debate pulling the curtain back, they would have let him continue. Only when it became clear their interests were in danger did they start pretending they were shocked by Biden's rapid decline. Hell, he wasn't up to the job in 2019!
I don't believe it. They've had weeks to shut Biden down, the Debate was in June.
Why let it go on for 3 weeks and only now clamp down? Maybe Democrats were banking on their assassination attempt to seal the deal, that failed, so now it's Plan B.
I don't want it to end. I want Biden spilling State secrets, kind of a giddy titillation of what Biden will say next. Why spoil all the fun. Keep it going.
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Blogger JAORE said...
They did hold a primary.
They had lawsuits for the purpose of blocking access to the primary.
so we are told, but obama staffed the administration, this is his 3rd term, these cheap soap operas leave me non plussed,
"Who else is in the running?"
And Hillary orders another pallet-load of Sonoma chardonnay.
Hussein is scared he won't be reelected for the 4th time.
The Democrats made a Faustian bargain in 2020. They were scared that the Democrat primary voters were going to select Bernie Sanders as the Democrat Presidential candidate. They didn't believe that the general electorate would swallow a full dose of Bernie in November. Too far left. Well there's this loyal Party hack Joe Biden. There were doubts then about Joe's mental ability--dumbest man in the Senate before he was VP--fantastic ability to eff things up. But "we can run him as normal"--and we'll keep him in the basement due to Covid.
Well that worked--but it was a bait and switch. "Normal Joe" governed like Bernie Sanders--or at least the posse around Normal Joe that was actually running things governed like Bernie Sanders. And as long as they--and the press--had the image of Good Old Normal Joe out there, they had a good shot to win again in 2024--with Joe.
And a lot of people believed that Joe was okay. If you commented about his mental failings (obvious to some,but not to the Democrats) you were relying on "cheap fakes".
Well the wheels fell off that wagon with the debate, and Joe isn't helping any with his subsequent fumbles stumbles and generally unhinged rants. That faithful Democrat party hack who got along by going along with anything the Party directed him to do has now been revealed as eating a lot of loco weed. That donkey just won't go anymore at the direction of the Party elders. We'll see if the Party can come up with a suitable bribe to get him to depart. Joe likes bribes. Dr. Jill likes them even more.
I'll take a contrary track.
If Obama had the clout necessary to get Biden to quit, he wouldn't need public proclamations and the deed would have been done long before this to put his gal Harris in the driver's seat.
He's leading from behind. Again. Trying to get somebody else to do the dirty work of kneecapping Biden.
I wish I could remember the commenter who keeps bringing up the fact that Biden probably hates Obama's guts for not backing him in 2016 because by Biden's reading of the elections of '16 and '20 he would gave beat Trump and be finishing his second term now. He's not going to listen to Obama, and doesn't want to make it look like Obama can tell him what to do.
Act 1, Scene 4 of William Shakespeare's King Lear: "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!" Biden needs to play the reverse Uno card.
If Althouse should happen to post the latest videos of Biden's difficulty getting into his SUV, I would like to point out the the SS body man following him down the stairs is the tall guy who was with Trump when he was shot.
Just saying. Watch your ass, Joe.
It could be his twin brother, a clone, or Forrest Gump, but he gets around.
Who else is in the running?
I recall this woman with skunk hair they kicked off the stage or something. I just saw her somewhere…what was she doing? I forg…what? Attacking Kamala Harris? What? Why would she do that?
Like a bad cold, the Big Zero just won’t go away.
Get a clue, guy.
"and has shared his views about the president’s challenges"
That's one way of putting it.
America is going to settle this at the Battle Box, just like Joe Biden warned us.
stairs carpets, things of that nature, small step stools,
pantsuited pantload
pale exhausted not ready
get out of shim’s way!
I wonder where Bill Clinton is in all of this. I would have said that, while not the most revered (that has to be Obama), he has to be near the top and still influential, but maybe he isn't anymore.
Bill is too rapey…
This is exactly what will NOT convince Biden to leave. Obama, Clinton etc. are the same gang that kept him out in 2016 and he missed his moment, in his telling. He's dug in like a tick and they can't get him out.
It's so fun to watch them work it.
"tried to keep a lower profile"
Funny.
The Pravda reporting shows that, even after having been outed for their years of lying and gaslighting, old habits die hard and they will shamelessly push the next narrative.
Has anybody mentioned how unprecedented it is, to have a former President taking such a hands-on interest in his successor's re-election? I would bet that Obama knows a lot more about the state of Joe's campaign than Joe himself does. Does that qualify for being called 'unprecedented', perhaps?
"The former president, hugely influential in the party, has told associates that Biden’s path to victory has significantly shrunk" ...... Obama, perhaps the party’s most revered figure, has tried to keep a lower profile..." Yeah, bullsh*t. He knows that drawing attention is not beneficial to his objectives. He's playing dirty Chicago Machine politics at a furious rate, behind the curtains - still and forever.
I would have though the 'most revered' Democrat heroes would still be JFK and FDR. But of course, one must not mention *that name* as long as Junior' is still at large.
"Who else is in the running after Obama as the most revered figure?
Two names right off the bat ... Adam Schiff and Chuck Schumer. Two lefties with charisma oozing from their every pore. And let's not forget the eloquent Al "resist we much" Sharpton or Grandma Vodka. Revered by all lefties!
Surely the Dem PTB have the number of some of those Biden shell company bank accounts. Maybe Barry can even cut Joe in on his Netflix deal.
He's always worried he wasn't really respected by the big players in town. And now he doesn't have the mental wherewithal to understand the arguments they're using to sway him. Jill and Hunter won't help dislodge this tick. He's their ticket.
Yancey Ward said...
It sounds like to me the Democrats and the media (I again repeat myself) might be trying to make Biden's withdrawal a fait accompli. Now, I have read no contradiction from the Biden team, so maybe Biden is leaning towards withdrawing but they could also be playing possum to get through the weekend.
Biden is a defeated man. In my opinion he has lost the will to live. I probably would.
The amount of rejection and humiliation that Biden has had to accept over the last few weeks has to be absolutely soul crushing. Absolute repudiation and the certain knowledge that history books will put you right next to people like Nero and Chamberlain. If he is lucky. It could well be Benedict Arnold and Judas.
He absolutely deserves it by the way. But there is still a part of you that feels bad as it is happening. Maybe he will have a come to Jesus moment as he is driven to crisis.
Now there is one person that is more deserving of pain and humiliation: Jill Biden.
"I wonder where Bill Clinton is in all of this."
I can answer that. He's on the chase somewhere ..... so to speak.
If Biden doesn't drop out, they'll just reassign Trump's secret service protection crew to Biden.
Sally327 said...
I wonder where Bill Clinton is in all of this. I would have said that, while not the most revered (that has to be Obama), he has to be near the top and still influential, but maybe he isn't anymore.
#MeToo ended that IMO. Everyone thinks he is a rapist now. I don't think anyone wants him around.
He also lost to Trump in 2016. Yeah yeah Hillary yeah. We all know why Hillary was even a thing.
Bill lost to Donald in 2016.
A Biden "burden". A Democratic Spring. Obama can.
reassign Trump's secret service protection crew to Biden
To paraphrase the Chinese curse: may you live in secure surroundings.
well she wasn't
he still says the same dang fool things, 1936 tweets, mostly peaceful protests,
"What? Whaddaya mean I'm the threat to Democracy? That's the guy I'm running against! I'm the only one who CAN beat that...that guy, you know, the guy who's ear got shot. Nobody else beat him. That fat bitch over there whatshername didn't beat him. He's a threat to democracy! He- he's a threat to OUR democracy! OUR DEMOCRACY. [Whispers slowly] I'm... the... only... one... that can... save the Union. DAMMIT! My boy didn't die storming Norman's Beach in Italy just so I could give up... just... just like that. Me and Strom Thurmond beat the integrationists once and I'll beat 'em again. He wants to put y'all BACK IN CHAINS. A clean negro like YOU... and he'll put you in CHAINS."
[Cheatle shuffles them out of the White House.]
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
This is exactly what will NOT convince Biden to leave. Obama, Clinton etc. are the same gang that kept him out in 2016 and he missed his moment, in his telling. He's dug in like a tick and they can't get him out.
It's so fun to watch them work it.
The main problem right now is that Jill and Kamala hate each other even though they are mirror images of each other. Stupid people put in positions because they serviced powerful men.
Biden is out. He probably doesn't live through the rest of the year. So Kamala is the 95% likely candidate.
But Jill is just that special combination of stupid and evil so it will take some time.
Who are the Democrats kidding? Obama’s been President this entire term and will enter his 4th term if they find a candidate within the cheat margin.
"CHAINS!"
Blogger ate my work again.
“according to people with knowledge of the calls, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations....“
Anonymous sources who want to put pressure on Joe….
Wishcasting?
He called himself a black woman.
It would be funny if he started identifying himself that way.
"Vote for me, I'm a black woman."
He's going to blow up identity politics completely when he can't remember anybody's name, race, or sex.
they are always lying to us, except when we see the actual truth, politico and the times don't count,
what was steve martins character in the jerk again,
Top Democrats are saying that Biden will drop out, as soon as this weekend.
Biden has already withdrawn, only he doesn’t know it yet. Obama has always been in charge. This time next year it will be common knowledge that Valerie Jarrett was running the country throughout Ol’Joe’s “reign”.
"Revered"
Gee, just yesterday I was informed that it was cult behavior for Corey Comperatore's widow to describe him as a devout republican.
No matter how much you hate the media, it is not enough.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people.
There are 6 people.
Democracy dammit
"Even before Biden started showing obvious signs of dementia, Obama thought he was a total fuck up."
Obama showed his ignorance by choosing that buffoon as his running mate.
Finally. The Liebringer drops his cloak.
I keep flashing back to "The Godfather", source of all wisdom. I'm seeing the Obama Family, the Clinton Family,and the Biden Family, having a sit-down.
But I need a scriptwriter.
"I wonder where Bill Clinton is in all of this."
The average Democrat lives in a world without history. To them, William Jefferson Clinton is the name of an insignificant dwarf sauropod dinosaur extinct since the end of the lower Jurassic period.
Biden's favorite show, Morning Joe, is now calling on him to withdraw.
“The anger I hear are at the people that are keeping him in a bubble or who may have their own interests, some financial, in keeping him in the race. That is the real anger,” Scarborough continued.
I think they just threw the First Lady under the bus.
Dixcus: America is going to settle this at the Battle Box, just like Joe Biden warned us.
Biden couldn't even get that right. The 3 canonical boxes are: Soap, Ballot, Cartridge
It's a little confusing to me that no one seems concerned about his ability to serve as President.
"Obama showed his ignorance by choosing that buffoon as his running mate."
Or his arrogance. The complete narcissist prefers a simpleton like Biden to anyone dynamic and competent. He thinks the contrast works to his advantage.
A Trusted Influencer has told me Biden quietly asked his doctor for a Cognitive-19 test.
Blogger Saint Croix said...
“Biden's favorite show, Morning Joe, is now calling on him to withdraw.”
Biden’s pappy should’ve pulled out and saved the world an enormous amount of grief.
“Who else is in the running?”
Jimmy Carter!
Someone else who is not "with it"--Pelosi. Pot calling kettle there. At least Biden almost remembered Lloyd Austin's name.
There are five lights
Joe Biden's been running for president for decades. He isn't leaving voluntarily no matter how much the Democrats and press beg.
I could be wrong, but I doubt I am.
Think Hillary, not JFK.
I expect Hillary knows it would never be her, but I bet she seethes that it's not Bill.
Biden and his wife Dr Jill get their comeuppance, loud and in public, well-deserved. All those decades of sloppy lies and emboldened plagiarism, all that flagrant dishonesty and blatant political corruption. All the unearned payoffs, money-laundering, faux doctorate wrangling, and undeserved honorariums. The babysitter who displaced the first wife, still a babysitter even today, though married to self-described "best president who runs the world", sees the wreckage and will surely seek revenge. I think both Bidens have lots of blackmail material on a great number of prominent national and state democratic politicians, including Obama.
Biden campaign says FU to Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer. And takes a swipe at Hillary while they're at it.
"Biden campaign says FU to Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer. And takes a swipe at Hillary while they're at it."
Fine people on both sides, I'm sure.
his cult of personality effectively destroyed the pipeline of younger Democrats who could potentially appeal to a broad base of the public as credible leaders.
I don't think so. After all, there's certainly a cult of personality around Trump - we are assured all the time that everyone who will vote for him worships him.* Yet - have you taken a gander at our bench?
* Naturally I know that many, many people who will vote for Trump will not do so because of his personality. I'm one. But I do think some people will, maybe even a lot. I think that's probably true of most presidential elections.
I think Obama's great failure was the failure of a person who has few real accomplishments (or maybe has a sneaking suspicion that they aren't really his accomplishments) but is elevated for whatever reason: a raging case of imposter syndrome. Since coming onto the national stage, like Patrick McManus he has been perfecting his two looks - thoughtful and bemused. You deploy those, preferably while smoking a pipe, and then you just wait for the people around you to solve the problem themselves, since you're obviously bemused by their incompetence and giving thought to firing them.
I have recreated the quote in paraphrase. I think it's from Never Sniff A Gift Fish.
Allow me to share the just published reaction from Biden’s staff, furnished as these things are anonymously to NBC News:
“Can we all just remember for a minute that these same people who are trying to push Joe Biden out are the same people who literally gave us all Donald Trump? In 2015, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer pushed Biden aside in favor of Hillary; they were wrong then and they are wrong now,” the source told NBC News. “How did all this work out for everyone in 2016? Perhaps we should learn a few lessons from 2016; one of them is polls are BS, just ask Sec. Clinton. And two, maybe, just maybe, Joe Biden is more in touch with actual Americans than Obama-Pelosi-Schumer?”
If this sounds suspiciously like what I keep posting here it’s because this has been the consistent back-channel message from Team Biden since the debate. I told you he’s dug in. Dug in like a tick with a yuge chip on its shoulder.
(Thanks for the shout out Chris B)
My guess is that Hunter is now in charge of comms. That sounds like his writing style.
PackerBronco said...
If Biden doesn't drop out, they'll just reassign Trump's secret service protection crew to Biden.
He just needs a double dose of warfarin for a week and a slight trip.
Jamie: I remember that McManus story, how he learned from a professor how to use those two looks and a pipe.
The lovely and talented Mary Katherine Ham agrees with my assessment:
Imma be the weirdo and just say I think he holds on. He's sick, he rests through the weekend with his inner circle, the momentum goes out of this by Monday again as he digs in his heels from his couch in Rehoboth, and
the party realizes it must defecate or get off the receptacle.
Biff said...
Say what you will about Obama's policies, but arguably the most significant criticism to be made about him as a party leader is that his cult of personality effectively destroyed the pipeline of younger Democrats who could potentially appeal to a broad base of the public as credible leaders. Come to think of it, in true cult of personality style, the only other person likely to be revered by today's Democratic Party is Michelle Obama, which explains why so many on the Left have masturbatory fantasies about her running for President.
It is a standard effect that if you have an expectation of success and it is not met, that your depression takes you lower than if you never had that expectation of success.
Obama voters thought many things.
Some thought they would get socialized health care. They got Romneycare.
Some thought they would get Bush/Cheney war crime trials. They found out Bush and Obama were both warmongers.
I think a big part of the problem for Obama is he kept his police state shenanigans on the down low.
But the biggest disappointment for democrats with respect to Obama is Obama's state centered policies obviously sucked especially compared to Trump's success.
We are entering the leaving the 4th and entering the 5th stage of grief right now.
About 50% of democrats are having very nasty and very public mental breakdowns right now. There are a solid number who concurrently hold "trump staged the assassination but we are mad the shooter missed and fuck the Trump supporters that died" positions.
Most of this is a result of being obviously wrong. This is very similar to a business failing and the founders turning on each other.
Never ever underestimate the power of denial. The Bidens will never let go of their own volition. I wonder how Joe caught Covid of all things?
It isn’t like they can just plug in another one. If Joe isn’t President then the people who have been President for the last three years don’t get a second term. If Kamala is President Kamala is President. Sure shes dumb but it’s just not the same…
Saint Croix said...
Biden campaign says FU to Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer. And takes a swipe at Hillary while they're at it.
Whoa! Tempted to donate $10.00 to his campaign now.
I want the old cold warriors gone from power, all of them, now would be good.
Seconded, that reads like Hunter.
"Think Hillary, not JFK."
I did. That's why I questioned the "perhaps." There's no living competition for most revered Democrat. Bernie? Nancy? Elizabeth? Kerry? Al?... Bill?
Notice it's all about "Biden can't win" and not "Biden can't function"?
I guess masks don't work anywhere but Delaware, because that's where Joe put his on, after infecting who knows how many underlings, agents, and honorary military guards on two flights.
A bombed-out bridge too far. How many more ways can they spin this?
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