Hunter Biden became the first child of a sitting president to be convicted of a crime Tuesday after a federal jury found him guilty on three counts related to lying about his drug use in order to buy a gun....
The first son stared at the jury and made no visible reaction as the foreperson read the verdict.... First lady Jill Biden, who was present at every day of the trial except one, was caught out by the speed with which the verdict was reached — entering the courtroom two minutes after it had been read.
June 11, 2024
Hunter Biden found guilty.
"Hunter Biden guilty of felony gun charges, faces 25 years in prison" (NY Post).
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1 – 200 of 210 Newer› Newest»LOL! I guess I was wrong about this particular jury.
Of course, I also think this particular charge was ridiculous to bring in the first place, so another verdict I don't agree with. The difference here, though, is that Biden really was guilty of this crime and there are people in prison right now tried under the exact same charges.
Surprise!
Distraction. They prosecuted him on the only charges not involving his father. These people are so transparent.
Trump gets elected and pardons him.
Biden can't pardon him before the election, but can after he wins or loses in November.
This is a smokescreen as there are no charges related to tax crimes or FARA.
Where did Hunter's money come from?
What was he selling?
Who else got paid.
Very inconvenient...
Hunter just earned himself the crack-smoking, pimp-handing, rap-tastic, stripper-fucking, pistol-packing, bad-boy street cred he always yearned for. He was doing all of this before, but now it's official. He needs a gold grill and some prison tats now that he's "state-property", then he can run the jewels with Spotemgottem and Pooh Shiesty.
They gonna link up, he's been upgrayyed'd.
Odds on a pardon by the big guy?
Convicted Candidate v. Convicted Candidate's Son
In the mad society the Left has created, they're winning.
Typical. Biden-controlled weaponized DOJ letting off his son....ah. As you were.
It’s nice to see the widespread support for the rule of law and the respect for the jury. In a weird way, MAGA Republicans are going to be the most upset by this because it complicates their phony “rigged DOJ” narrative. I bet we see complaints from them about the conviction.
okay done is done
it’s in the rearview mirror
hunt for mookie’s on
Hunter's got nothing to worry about. Once the election is over, Joe will pardon him. It's as certain as the sun rising in the morning. What's Joe got to lose?
"Biden can't pardon him before the election, but can after he wins or loses in November."
There is a way to do it but Joe Biden would have to either pardon Donald Trump of the federal charges at the same time (not going to happen, and Trump probably wouldn't accept the pardon) or he would have to pardon every single person in federal prison charged with the same sort of crime. In any case, Hunter Biden isn't going to prison immediately and might not even receive such a sentence given this is his first conviction. Joe Biden can wait right up until Hunter is at the prison entranceway, which is pretty far into the future right now.
Hunter has a great deal to worry about. It's not going to be hard to persuade him that he is expendable, even to his own father. Wait until after the election? I wouldn't trust Hunter Biden to feed pets, never mind do time patiently for what might turn into years.
And Donald Trump won't accept a pardon, for obvious reasons, while a blanket amnesty would pretty much eviscerate American gun law.
"Typical. Biden-controlled weaponized DOJ letting off his son....ah. As you were."
It is almost like Rich doesn't know the details of this prosecution or believes we don't. The Biden DoJ tried to let Hunter Biden skate and it was only the judge who had to approve the plea deal that stopped it and force the government to take it to trial.
Rich, you are approaching Freder levels of incompetence.
bingo! crack is wack
he’s a poor grifter’s son
he don’t wanna shoot no one
"In a weird way, MAGA Republicans are going to be the most upset by this because it complicates their phony “rigged DOJ” narrative."
Few will buy it, but the left will leap at the chance to make this claim. This is exactly why this case was brought.
He won't spend a second in jail.
"Rich, you are approaching Freder levels of incompetence."
In his defense, he hasn't got much to work with.
A large conviction the size of a small conviction.
"He won't spend a second in jail."
Hunter will get 5 years probation. Trump will get 5 years.
Man, Crooked Joe Biden and his weaponized DOJ in a clear witch-hunt. No, wait, I'm getting mixed up. It's weaponized when it's the GOP. Am I doing this right?
Hopefully no convicted felons will run for president.
All because one curious judge, with a simple question caused the whole sweetheart deal to unravel. Otherwise he would got away with everything. Even so, Weiss allowed the most egregious tax violations to expire, so this is just yuuuge red herring CYA theatre production prior to Daddy POTUS pardoning him. Does anyone believe Joe won't do that?
The question is when, not it, IMHO.
"LOL! I guess I was wrong about this particular jury."
I'm not surprised. Their narrative required it. And Hunter is safe from incarceration.
What was Trumps actual felony again? Oh, yeah. Nobody knows.
I'm going to make a prediction, Rich. See if you can follow along.
Trump is going to get probation and then in fairness, because you are all about fairness, Hunter is going to get probation as well.
There is a California rapper who is facing 15 years for exactly the same crime as Hunter.
dinky dau can dream
she tell him “love him long time”
lying rosey palms
The question is when, not IF (I meant), IMHO.
No, Rich, you’re not doing it right.
It’s weaponized and rigged against the right and Trump in particular. If you don’t see that then you are willfully blind.
Hunter made his own bed (and videotaped it all). If you think he’s not guilty of this (and a whole lotta other stuff) then, again, willfully blind.
I guess you’re ok with weaponization of the DOJ when it runs in favor of your viewpoints. God help you if it ever runs the other way.
Peace.
Tax charges still pending in CA but not for the Burisma years. Those magically timed out right before the Sweetheart Deal court hearing that...didn't go as planned.
Equal justice under the law. No one is exempt from prosecution. See, DJT, you have a new buddy in the convicted felon category. Feel confident that you ALL will get your punishment. yesterday, Rebecca Grossman got the news that all of her attempts to avoid jail time was for naught. Justice for all convicted felons. Jail time for you, DJT. (we can only hope)
vicki from Pasadena
I’m surprised he was convicted.
Why can’t Joe pardon him? Joe can change his mind about the pardon, It won’t bother his base.
Note again how Rich carefully omits the judge-rejected plea deal.
Rich, if you are going to spin stuff, don't do it so stupidly with a knowledgeable audience.
Maybe Trump and Biden can share jail cells.
Will this mean Biden's paintings increase in value?
Jesus already died for Hunter's sin.
Indictment of a lesser burden.
Maybe the Dems should stop breaking the unspoken norms.
He’ll get probation
Iman, you're really on a roll today.
Biden’s statement upon his son’s conviction is more or less everything you could hope it would be. I’ve had my criticisms of him as a President but one shouldn’t forget the difference with the institution-scorning rule-of-law antagonist Trump is very stark.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/06/11/hunter-biden-gun-trial-verdict-live-updates/
I would like the record to reflect that I stated as the trial began that there was no downside to the defense's being lame and half-hearted, because a conviction - on this particular charge, as OG Mike pointed out above, the only charge that doesn't implicate the President - ought to be the logically desired outcome.
The best way for the administration to defuse charges of election-interference-via-judicial-tampering would be for Hunter Biden to be convicted on a charge that he absolutely couldn't deny he was guilty of; that way it appears that "the system works," that "no one is above the law" despite the fact that the Trump trial was entirely different in every possible way.
I was very surprised that so many people herein thought the Biden administration would push (behind the scenes, obviously) for an acquittal. They aren't THAT confident. Not yet.
I think this is related: I've just started listening to the recent Tulsi Gabbard interview on Triggernometry. It's interesting to hear her talk about the direct rebukes from the Obama White House that she received when she came out against their Syrian adventures... and the NYT hit piece that came out against her the very day she announced her 2020 candidacy.
good on ya mates on the jury
Wilmington was supposed to be a Biden town. But it's also a small town filled with stories of special favors granted to a privilaged and spoiled brat. The jurors ran out of sympathy.
"I was very surprised that so many people herein thought the Biden administration would push (behind the scenes, obviously) for an acquittal. They aren't THAT confident. Not yet."
I don't think a lot of us thought the Biden Administration would push for an acquittal, but rather we expected the jury to just provide it or at least a hung jury given the jurisdiction.
I do admit to being surprised the defense was so lame, but that might be because the charges were really undeniably true- I didn't weight that fact enough pre-trial.
Look, the conviction problem has a few plausible scenarios:
Trump and Hunter both avoid jail time or restrictions" on campaigning: The left will lose their minds, wondering what the hell everything was for. If anything, they'll be less incensed that the Obamajudge didn't deliver, while worrying that they're personally going on a terminal carbon monoxide diet.
Trump and Biden are both sentenced harshly: The pressure on Joe Biden to pardon his son is going to be nearly total, likely to happen before the election. Biden isn't going to risk his son turning on him.
Trump is jailed, Hunter is not: The most likely outcome, which will cause immense pressure on SCOTUS to review the Trump case. It will weaken Biden hideously with black voters, who will see a crackhead skating for his obvious crimes. Actually a pretty good outcome for Trump, particularly if his base decides "for justice, we must go to Don Corleone."
https://x.com/bhweingarten/status/1800560100631007690
Now the MSM and Democrats (but I repeat myself) get to talk about equal justice and all that while the Big Guy escapes scrutiny of serious crimes implicated by the laptop contents. After the crooked plea deal got sniffed out, Hunter took the fall like a good capo. Now we can sweep everything under the rug and Hunter never spends a day in jail.
Hunter was guilty, and you didn't need a lengthy explanation with lots of dependent clauses to understand what he was guilty of. To find him innocent and Trump guilty would have further undermined respect for our legal system and done so in an even more substantial way than the Bragg farce......Here's President Biden's problem. If faced with a lengthy jail term, Hunter perhaps has the option of telling all he knows for a immunity or a reduced sentence. Hunter doesn't look like the kind of stand up guy who would do ten years so as not to rat out his accomplices. Ergo, Hunter will not face any kind of jail time......I wouldn't want to be a Biden who fell afoul of the law during the Trump administration. That's why the future of democracy depends so much on Biden's re-election. It also might be a reason why Biden is seeking re-election. I don't think a President Newsome would be all that invested in keeping a Biden out of prison.
Man, I love it! Richie keeps pitching, but the truth is clear: put a fork in him, he's done.
Regardless of the outcome of the election, I suspect President Biden will see his position on pardoning his son evolve somewhere around Christmas and New Year's time. If Biden wins reelection a tell this is coming will be we see stories starting to emerge that call into question the motivations and political leanings of the prosecutor.
Everyone in the doj wants to bury this story, it affects too many people
It's a shame. An acquittal would have further shown the two-tiered justice system for what it is.
Well this jury actually knew the crimes he committed... unlike Trump's jury. Hence it took them such a shorter time.
News from Derangement Today ! Jury convicts drug addict of a gun felony based on a weak defense team and a prosecution drawing on overwhelming preponderance of evidence, including the defendant's book on the very subject. Normal procedural conviction by jury proves beyond any doubt that a completely different, more highly-polarized case in a different court under a different judge therefore could not be anything else.
Stay tuned for the incoming tide of evocative drug-addiction sympathy pieces.
He will not spend a day in prison.
Democrats will point to this as proof of the 'equity' in our justice system.
Ima go with:
Three years, suspended
30 days county (potential)
3 years probation.
Must show proof of monthly NA or therapist online meetings
Does he have a law license in jeopardy?
And a fine..
"Blogger Temujin said...
He will not spend a day in prison.
Democrats will point to this as proof of the 'equity' in our justice system."
Yep.
Time to break out in song,
Cop Rock – He’s Guilty,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwz4k4n1ezM
mindnumbrobot said...
Now the MSM and Democrats (but I repeat myself) get to talk about equal justice and all that while the Big Guy escapes scrutiny of serious crimes implicated by the laptop contents. After the crooked plea deal got sniffed out, Hunter took the fall like a good capo. Now we can sweep everything under the rug and Hunter never spends a day in jail.
6/11/24, 11:29 AM
^^^THIS^^^
Blogger narciso said..."Everyone in the doj wants to bury this story, it affects too many people."
No, the one they want to bury is Joe's multimillion dollar influence peddling. And this gun case is part of that strategy.
Regardless of the outcome of the election, I suspect President Biden will see his position on pardoning his son evolve somewhere around Christmas and New Year's time.
That's how I see it. Win or lose, J. Biden pardons H. Biden. If he wins (should that be "wins"?), then there's plenty of time in his second term for his successor to distance themself [sic] from the pardon, possibly in a "more in sorrow than in anger" fashion by regretfully pointing out that the President appears to have been succumbing to dementia beginning at the end of his first term and continuing throughout that second term, like Reagan before him - but darn it, what's done is done.
If he loses, then he really has nothing to lose by pardoning his son.
And Hunter isn't going to roll on his dad. Even if he were inclined to, which (based on what he's been putting up with all these years already) I think unlikely, who would ask him to?
Victoria said:
“Justice for all convicted felons. Jail time for you, DJT. (we can only hope)”
Only for all convicted felons? Whatever happened to simply “Justice for All?”
Anything connected with hunter they have backstopped since 2016 thats why the fired the prosecutor in ukraine then the privat bank collapsed taking 6 billion dollars of our tax money lol
They let the statute of limitations lapse on that part
Maybe someone has already said this but I would like to see, the debate, Trump pin Biden down: “Will you offer a pardon to your son? No? Then I will.”
Did the defense, seeing the FLOTUS was not seated call out, "Is there a (not that kind of) doctor in the house?"
oh no, i guess he'll never be president now
Burisma was owned by the same party as pridat bank
I'm honestly very surprised.
“And I will also offer pardons to every person convicted of the very same crimes your son was found guilty of, many of those incarcerated Black and Hispanic, who did not share, in our two-tier justice system, the same privileges held by your family of crooks.“
Re: Yancey Ward:
There is a way to do it but Joe Biden would have to either pardon Donald Trump of the federal charges at the same time (not going to happen, and Trump probably wouldn't accept the pardon) or he would have to pardon every single person in federal prison charged with the same sort of crime.
No he wouldn't. Exercise of the pardon power doesn't have to be equitable or fair or consistent. And if Biden loses, his political career is over -- he doesn't have the time or party loyalty for a third act. So no reason to play-act at being statesmanlike anymore. And he loves his son.
All that said, this was sort of a BS prosecution. More grounded than the Trump trial, but I don't think anyone really cares about drug-addled Hunter Biden's gun license application. It's the bit about selling access that's appalling, and even there the charges probably couldn't be corruption (because selling access is how American princelings make a living) but either failing to register under FARA (itself usually a sign of a BS prosecution) or money laundering.
Maybe someone has already said this but I would like to see, the debate, Trump pin Biden down: “Will you offer a pardon to your son? No? Then I will.”
I'd be down with that. The gun application law is crap that accomplishes nothing other than employ federal paper pushers, allow gun grabbing politicians to claim they're "doing something", and places another burden on law abiding citizens. FREE HUNTER!
That's Yale Law school for you.
"They let the statute of limitations lapse on that part"
I thought statute of limitations don't matter anymore. Or is that just for Trump?
Trump’s conviction in state court doesn’t count because Biden “corruption” is somehow to blame. Biden’s son convicted in federal court and Biden declines to pardon him which is all somehow further evidence of Biden’s corruption.
Exhausting.
"Exercise of the pardon power doesn't have to be equitable or fair or consistent.
I was addressing issuing the pardon to Hunter Biden before the election in November- to do that, Biden would have to demonstrate equitable and fair use of the pardon power in order to avoid some of the political blowback.
I also don't think the issue will arise, however- Biden with either get probation or the sentencing and report to jail won't happen until the election is in the rear-view mirror when Joe Biden won't have to worry about the political optics any longer.
If Hunter Biden is ordered to prison at some point, Biden will issue the pardon- guaranteed.
Rich,
In just one comment- just one, address the plea deal that Hunter Biden was offered by his father's DoJ prior to this trial. If you don't, you just cement your dishonesty.
El Predicto sez:
If Biden wins he commutes any jail time for Hunter (though El Predicto doesn't think there will be jail time). This leaves Joe to say he respects the rule of law and lessens the political fallout n his last term.
If Biden loses he issues a full pardon. Likely in January as he's got his bags packed.
If Trump wins I'd like one of his first acts to pull the clearances of those 50 dudes that called the laptop Russian disinformation. No trials but a ding on their meal tickets.
Even Delaware wants the Bidens to go away
Theres your sign rich
https://instapundit.com/652697/
China wants to know where to pay the fine.
A felony on a 4473 is 10x better than the human-trafficking, foreign spying, and money laundering he's engaged in for a decade or more. Not only did Hunter get a better trifecta of felonies, he won't see a day in jail, and all the heavy stuff gets airbrushed.
They can give people 25 years for "lying about his drug use in order to buy a gun?" That seems absurd.
Had he balls Biden would simultaneously pardon Trump and Hunter.
After the crooked plea deal got sniffed out, Hunter took the fall like a good capo.
This is where the story could get very interesting. The initial plea deal went pear-shaped when the question of "does this clear Hunter Biden of all other crimes possibly committed" came up. His legal team freaked out, because the answer was supposed to be yes, which of course the Feds couldn't admit to on record.
I don't think his lawyers couldn't have finessed that; the deal had obviously been made and Hunter's laptop would have been an unfortunate incident in the past and given the old "let bygones be bygones" treatment. Instead Hunter went into rabid son-of-daddy mode and said screw that.
Hunter is an erratic 50-some year old spoiled addict. Hunter hasn't dealt with his addictions well and has never needed to learn the skills to change that. (I know a little bit about addiction. I'm a dry alcoholic; needing and getting a liver transplant will focus the mind on NOT doing again the things that got you under the knife. I've not seen any evidence Hunter's had his "come to Jesus" moment, as his daddy might put it.) How Hunter reacts could change this from a trivial interlude into a real political catastrophe for the Democrats.
Popcorn.
They can give people 25 years for "lying about his drug use in order to buy a gun?" That seems absurd.
Why do you think gang bangers don’t buy guns legally?
"They can give people 25 years for "lying about his drug use in order to buy a gun?" That seems absurd."
This is precisely why I would have been a not guilty on this exact trial. Penalties not complementary of the charges is jury nullification for me.
The way it ought to be:
Attorney Abbe Lowell’s statement:
We are naturally disappointed by today’s verdict. We respect the jury process, and as we have done throughout this case, we will continue to vigorously pursue all the legal challenges available to Hunter. Through all he has been through in his recovery, including this trial, Hunter has felt grateful for and blessed by the love and support of his family.
Most famously, it reminds me of life in another time on another continent, when the chief prosecutor in Stalin's Moscow show trials, Andrey Vyshinsky, ramped up the language of abuse when addressing the historic leaders of the Bolshevik Party. Lenin’s close comrades Kamenev and Zinoviev would soon be sentenced to death. Summing up his case — which Vyshinsky knew was entirely made-up, based on nothing — he shouted:
“Shoot these rabid dogs. Death to this gang who hide their ferocious teeth, their eagle claws, from the people! ... Down with these abject animals! Let’s put an end once and for all to these miserable hybrids of foxes and pigs, these stinking corpses!”
"The law is reason, free from passion... Man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all." ~Aristotle
Yancey Ward, no matter what you do, you’ll never stop being a whiny, unhappy individual. James Comer tried for 3 years to prove his case. He couldn’t even get his own party to bring it to the floor for a vote or even get it out of his own committee.
"They can give people 25 years for "lying about his drug use in order to buy a gun?" That seems absurd."
"The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 [Brady Bill], ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law."
Meade said...
Maybe someone has already said this but I would like to see, the debate, Trump pin Biden down: “Will you offer a pardon to your son? No? Then I will.”
6/11/24, 11:56 AM
Exactly! Joe Biden does NOT have a good relationship with Hunter, as evidenced by Hunter's laptop. The various dregs of the Vichy GOP would never have the stones to offer such a pardon, but Trump would.
As a way to make Joe Biden a serious liability for the Democrats going forward, and then the Rat campaign into a morass of paranoia, it would be a masterstroke.
Rich, you are approaching Freder levels of incompetence.
To be fair, Rich is only doing his job - repeating the DNC media spin.
The correct word is "dishonest" not "incompetent". Fellow liberals follow his work and thus, never leave the hive mind. He is competent to that extent.
Rich is not trying to convince independent thinkers.
Rich,
Comer likely viewed Biden as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory, and the Dem dominated senate would never convict and remove him from office.
"More grounded than the Trump trial, but I don't think anyone really cares about drug-addled Hunter Biden's gun license application."
- Balfegor
"I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them. "
- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
They've killed men (and women) for less.
In other words, no unreasonable Senate…
Yancey Ward said...
LOL! I guess I was wrong about this particular jury.
...
LOL. We Trump-haters will revel in this verdict.
Of course the TrumpWingers were wrong about all of the fantastic conspiracy theories about this jury (as well as the Trump-Manhattan jury).
Of course President Biden will not engage in the sort of preemptive pardon that Trump did with Steve Bannon, Roger Stone and Elliott Broidy.
Of course a President Trump would be pardoning Don Junior if he had been charged. See, e.g., Charles Kushner.
Of course this is a stark showing that President Biden is not pulling puppet strings of the DoJ.
Of course Hunter Biden's crime will merit the briefest incarceration if any, and he will be there when his father is inaugurated for a second term in January of 2025.
Of course we didn't see a parade of costumed Democratic Congressmen in the courtroom and speechmaking outside the courthouse about how the judge and the prosecutor were crooked and the trial was rigged.
Of course!
On the other hand, might be sent to one of the resort like Federal Prison Camps.
The best part was Jill showing up in the courtroom to try to intimidate the jury.
I wonder what she wore.
Celebrities and political figures rarely get a fair criminal trial. Either they get a lighter sentence or are not charged at all because they are well connected and can afford good lawyers or they get harsher treatment to make a statement.
Not sure what happened here.
“Of course we didn't see a parade of costumed Democratic Congressmen in the courtroom and speechmaking outside the courthouse about how the judge and the prosecutor were crooked and the trial was rigged.“
Why would they? This judge and prosecutor were not crooked and this trial was not rigged.
Looks like Chuck in a titty-twisting mood today..
I can't believe that there are people asking, "Do you think Joe will pardon Hunter?"; "What are the odds of a pardon?"; etc.
A morally barren, lame freakin' duck Joe Biden will of course pardon Hunter for any conviction that results in significant jail time - like the upcoming tax evasion case. The old man is simply not going to allow his sole surviving son to spend his (Joe's) final years in prison. That is not going to happen. Why is there anyone who doesn't understand this?
If Hunter is sentenced to jail time for this gun stuff, it will be for a paltry term. I'm guessing Biden won't pardon him for that. The pardon will come in the fall, after Hunter is (probably) convicted of the tax charge (which calls for serious jail time) - and of course, after the election.
Rich is a happy camper today:
Rich said...
My wife once asked me when did I feel happiest? Upon consideration, I responded when I wept. An admittedly strange answer, I explained that it was not grief, but the overwhelming surfeit of emotion that I experienced with certain triggers of emotional, perhaps sentimental, love. It was when I felt much alive.
Heh!! Don't worry Joe, Trump will save your son!!
BOOM!!
https://x.com/sandiechill/status/1800572803919548553
Joe Biden just began a speech about gun safety, hours after his son's guilty verdict.
I'm sure this is just a coincidence.
RIgGEd WItchHuNt is cORruPt elEcTIOn iNTeRfERENce!!!!!!!!
Did I do that right?
From the AP:
“ After the verdict was announced, the White House canceled press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre’s scheduled briefing and announced that Biden would spend the evening in Delaware to be with Hunter and other family members.
He was scheduled to give a speech on his administration’s efforts to limit gun violence and toughen enforcement of gun laws at a conference hosted by the Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund in Washington. ”
Talk about your bad timing.
Blogger Rich said...
Trump’s conviction in state court doesn’t count because Biden “corruption” is somehow to blame. Biden’s son convicted in federal court and Biden declines to pardon him which is all somehow further evidence of Biden’s corruption.
State court "conviction" for a federal FEC violation. Seems iffy.
Step 1: Joe gives a speech telling how seeing his beloved son in prison is intolerable, and he pardons Hunter.
Step 2: Joe resigns to quell the resultant firestorm.
This solves everybody's problem except Jill's. Joe can eat his pudding in peace. Dems can run someone else. Hunter gets to resume his habits.
Lying on a form should result in a fine and maybe a jail (not prison) sentence depending on circumstances. 25 years is completely unwarranted. Hunter should not serve time for this. However, he should have been tried for many other things which he was not. Hooray for a correct verdict, but I am not pushing for prison time. Boo for manipulating things so that serious crimes are swept under the rug.
Over-charging is a horrible artifact of our judicial system.
For example on Trump's case, there was one specific issue (I won't call it a crime), of trying to hide a single incident and calling it a legal expense. The 34 pieces of paper involved should be evidence of the single issue, not 34 separate "crimes". It would be the difference between firing 34 hots at one person in order to kill them and firing one shot at 34 different people. Or maybe you charge a convenience store clerk 36 counts of selling alcohol to a minor for selling 6 six-packs in one transaction rather than one count of selling alcohol. It is legal abuse and I think many people understand that. But 34 counts sounds so much more scary than one count, so they charge each part of the same issue separately though there is only one issue being decided.
All that said, this was sort of a BS prosecution. More grounded than the Trump trial, but I don't think anyone really cares about drug-addled Hunter Biden's gun license application
Lefty commenters here cares more about Hunter than kids on scooters burning rubber, in the street, over a pride painting being charged, and 75 year old grandmas sentenced to two years in prison for sitting and praying in front of abortion clinic...
“Did I do that right?”
Yes, teabaghag. Now do the left one…
Quick search shows various penalties ranging from UP to FIVE years to UP to Fifteen years.
The UP To is gonna be the escape hatch.
Personally, five years suspended, five years probation, and a fine OK by me.
First time offender with clean record, nobody shot, unnecessarily severe potential penalties.
Watching Biden talkin’ gun safety is such a treat.
No, seriously… I really mean it!!!
If we Americans really wanted "to do somthing" about gun violence then there should be a DoJ task force that charges 100% of the felons, drug addicts, illegal aliens, dishonorable discharges for the military, citizenship reouncers, the mentally unsound, those convicted of domestic violence, and all the rest of the ineligible persons caught possessing firearms, ammo, or components. Bottom line: Yes it would be disproportional in the amount and race of the people charged, but that's the price we have to pay if we truly want to have a safer society. Real talk. Give BATFE something constructive to do for a change and let the chips fall where they may. Don't make this just about Hunter Biden.
"This judge and prosecutor were not crooked and this trial was not rigged."
The Left would like very badly to equate this trial with the outcome in Trump's. You know... comparing a guy who's convicted of *something* (have they announced what that was yet?) with one who was demonstrated to have broken an actual law (however poorly conceived).
BTW, if this is true:
"The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 [Brady Bill], ushered into law by then-Sen. Joe Biden, at the time chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made Form 4473 a key part of background checks for gun purchases mandated by the law."
one must have a heart of stone to hear of that without laughing.
Rich said...
Yancey Ward, no matter what you do, you’ll never stop being a whiny, unhappy individual. James Comer tried for 3 years to prove his case. He couldn’t even get his own party to bring it to the floor for a vote or even get it out of his own committee.
Comer is just controlled opposition.
There are maybe 10 republicans in DC that can be trusted.
Do illegal activities. Record them. Put them on your laptop and bring your laptop in for servicing. Then forget all about it.
Joey says hes a smart guy.
Hunter will earn my respect when he turns down any offers of pardon and stoically goes to prison as a conscientious objector in protest of unjust restrictions on our second amendment rights.
TeaBagHag said...
RIgGEd WItchHuNt is cORruPt elEcTIOn iNTeRfERENce!!!!!!!!
Did I do that right?
People are in jail right now for what Hunter obviously did.
Not one person has been convicted or even charged with having an accountant enter paying a lawyer to secure an NDA as a legal expense except Trump.
But morons like you can’t figure out the difference between these cases because you are so corrupt and stupid.
From 2022...
Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years. The odds of being charged for lying on the form are virtually nonexistent.
Remember all gun laws are “common sense.”
would YOU vote for a man, with a CONVICTED FELON for a son?
i guess THIS is why, the dems quit yapping about CONVICTED FELON ??
Also, i'm assuming that Professor* Althouse will go back to saying that we CAN'T CALL PEOPLE THAT!
Professor* i guess i mean.. Someone who identified as a Professor?
Eeny meeny miney moe
They caught a junkie by the toe
Tried to spring ‘im, won’t let him go
Schadenboner, and do the loose booty
Smartest man Joe Biden knows!
Joe and Jill went up a hill
To get a pail of water
Jill fell down and broke her crown
And Joe sniffed his daughter
He did the loose booty
outstanding Iman,
when the 51 intel officers, I call them diviners, because no intel ever comes from, colluded to obscure his crimes, only the whistleblowers testimony resurrected this case, as it were,
of course I mention privat bank, because hunter's little sinecure cost 6 billion tax payer dollars, that starts adding up to real money,
Commenters keep talking about 'pardons', but doesn't the POTUS also have the power of reprieve, i.e. commutation?
There is a legal difference between the two and FJB could claim he's kept his promise to 'not pardon his son' after commuting Hunter's sentence. HB would still be technically guilty, but free of any sentences/fines to be paid.
FJB then responds to a weak volley of questions from the collaborating press by stating "any father who loves his child would do the same." OWTTE.
And BOOM! he ties up the incontinent, senile grandmother/catlady vote!
It's BRILLIANT I tell yez.
MfG
Goetz von Berlichingen
Hunter is going to get probation as well.
there is a HUGE problem with that..
Does Anyone (ANY ONE?) believe that Hunter could go five years taking blood tests?
remember when Hunter wanted to be IN THE NAVY?
and he was TOO OLD.. So he whined, and Joe got him a deferment..
and he was ALREADY a convicted Coke addict.. So he whined, and Joe got him a deferment..
and THEN.. Hunter joined the NAVY.. and THEN.. FAILED THE VERY FIRST DRUG TEST
He didn't last 3 months.
the idea that he could go FIVE YEARS would be like believing that Hallie Biden could go FIVE YEARS..
Heck! it'd be like believing that Dr Jill Biden could go FIVE YEARS!!!
now they aren't going to point that out in any newspaper, even the journal you have to go to steve mcintyre, piecing together accounts from the kyev post, other bribes include rosemont seneca to china for the cobalt, as well the kazakh one for uranium
get your hot takes here,
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2024/06/11/hot-takes-the-coping-seething-and-delusions-commence-among-usual-suspects-after-hunter-guilty-verdict-n2175322
People are in jail right now for what Hunter obviously did.
Not one person has been convicted or even charged with having an accountant enter paying a lawyer to secure an NDA as a legal expense except Trump.
I doubt many (if any) people are in jail for this offense alone. It is usually tied to an underlying violent felony or drug trafficking.
Pardon me, boy, was that the crack that ain’t such good news?
Being a 2A absolutist (even with age), I don't believe such a form or restrictions should exist. To address the question, some addicts are functional. Gun crime should only be in the area of using them to harm or kill someone, of in the commission of a robbery, for example.
They charged and (maybe) will punish Hunter for the crime, but it was an easy choice to do that, and not to follow the bribery and money laundering stuff.
I noticed some "news" sites are calling Hunter "the First Son". No, that's Beau, who died in combat somewhere in some war, you take your pick.
When I saw Vicki from Pasadena (Pasadena Mental Institution) posting, I vomited a little bit in the back of my throat.
well blame Sarah Brady for this non sense, but they want to burden law abiding citizens with more laws, or regulations, like the ATF has done,
meanwhile the merry go round of criminals, who keep being released and reoffending continues
"Being a 2A absolutist (even with age), I don't believe such a form or restrictions should exist."
Forcing the people who push for these restrictions (or their offspring, anyway) to suffer the consequences seems like a reasonable approach to possibly limiting further encroachments, seems to me.
Blogger Balfegor said...
"...
No he wouldn't. Exercise of the pardon power doesn't have to be equitable or fair or consistent. And if Biden loses, his political career is over -- he doesn't have the time or party loyalty for a third act. So no reason to play-act at being statesmanlike anymore. And he loves his son.
..."
I call bullshit on this. Joe Biden does NOT love Hunter - at least not in the unconditional & sacrificial sense of the word. A loving father would not make a son with known self-control and compulsive addiction issues act as the family's bagman. A loving father would have found a way to protect Hunter from easy access to tons of cash and high risk/high pressure business deals. A loving father would have made personal sacrifices in his own career in order to help his son avoid the limelight and give him room to heal.
Joe Biden is many things, but loving father is NOT one of them.
Meade said: "Hunter will earn my respect when he turns down any offers of pardon and stoically goes to prison as a conscientious objector in protest of unjust restrictions on our second amendment rights."
Meade wins the thread!
Hunter has a trump card. He is extremely well informed as to the Biden family's business dealings. It would behoove Joe Biden to stay on the good side of his son. Joe can pardon his son, but Hunter can convict his Dad. There is a reason why the Biden family members go out of their way to let Hunter know they care about him. We're all hoping that Hunter doesn't hang himself or die of an overdose, but these things happen to addicts. Whatever happens to Hunter, you may be sure that the Biden family will take care of him.
Has anyone else noticed that Hunter was convicted of purchasing a revolver but there is a famous photo (maybe more than one) of him holding a semi-auto?
Where is that gun?
Who did it belong to?
"Penalties not complementary of the charges is jury nullification for me."
Same. Also all of this nonsensical over-charging that goes on.
This is what gun control looks like.
Isn't it?
And isn't it what lefties want?
You only get charged for lying on the form if you commit a crime with the weapon, like publicly brandishing it in a threatening manner or leaving the gun where anybody could find it and take it.
In a weird way, MAGA Republicans are going to be the most upset by this because it complicates their phony “rigged DOJ” narrative.
Anybody who can't see the clear differences between the two trials is too stupid to breathe, let alone comment about it.
As I recall the Gun Charges were used as the Negotiating vehicle for a guilty plea for a minimal sentence that included a total Release of Hunter’s ALL prior crimes. Typical trick between prosecutor and Biden that accomplishes so much more than Media reports. The Federal Judge alone saved Justice by refusing the negotiated plea.
Remember the trick of Cohen facing a long sentence for Taxi Badges fraud and tax fraud he was offered a mild sentence for adding in pleading guilty to an add on count as a Trump Co-conspirator in the Hush Money travesty case. God damn bastards.
Its amusing that Hunter chose to risk this conviction because he couldn’t get blanket immunity from prosecution for crimes that he father assures us that he never committed.
Prediction:
Biden will pardon Hunter after the election.
Some people are untouchable, but not many. Some people, like Hunter, are above most of the laws, most of the time.
Hunter has a trump card. He is extremely well informed as to the Biden family's business dealings.
American syndicate. Never speak against the family. #LoveWinsOrElse
As for my cussing, God does especially damn all unjust judges. It seems God demands His level of truth and justice from Judges. And he selected a great guy that He trusted to be the of judge the quick and the dead upon his return on the clouds.
Wiggle room…
Joe didn’t rule-out a commutation of sentence.
Is this a good time to bring up Hunter’s direct commission to the Navy Reserves in 2012 at age 42? Followed by his “administrative” discharge for cocaine use two years later?
Wait. Doesn’t Hunter have a child named Navy?
It was widely reported that his commission was part of a program to burnish Hunter’s resume for a Senate run. Sponsored by his father of course.
Boy, did Delaware dodge the bullet on that one.
In a weird way, MAGA Republicans are going to be the most upset by this because it complicates their phony “rigged DOJ” narrative.
The DOJ tried to set it up so Hunter would be cleared of ALL charges to avoid the tax records of the Biden family seeing the light of day. The judge is the only thing that kept from happening, not the DOJ. Were you born yesterday?
"The DOJ tried to set it up so Hunter would be cleared of ALL charges"
Right. Look for more lefty gaslighting on the see, no double standard trope (already happening on X).
Does this mean that we can refer to Hunter as "Joe Biden's convicted felon son?" Asking for a friend.
“Maybe someone has already said this but I would like to see, the debate, Trump pin Biden down: “Will you offer a pardon to your son? No? Then I will.”
Trump-Hunter Biden Unity Ticket?
I doubt many (if any) people are in jail for this offense alone. It is usually tied to an underlying violent felony or drug trafficking.
6/11/24, 2:42 PM
The government has bragged about going after people who lie on gun forms.
https://www.atf.gov/news/press-releases/federal-prosecutors-aggressively-pursuing-those-who-lie-connection-firearm-transactions
Does it hurt rich to be this stupid
narciso said...
"Does it hurt rich to be this stupid"
Single celled organisms can't feel pain.
Rich is modeling moronic credulity, hoping that people will believe that he believes what he’s saying and adopt his talking points.
Hunter had a deal to avoid prosecution and turned it down, so when people talk about how unusual this prosecution was, they need to address that point. Of course they won’t because it shines a light where they don’t want it shone,
Frau Doktor Jill has FJB's shell-like, not Hunter. Jill has no regard for the wayward son except for the effect he has to increase or diminish her power. Consequently, he's fucked as far as an actual jail sentence is concerned. Hunter will be sacrificed on the altar of power in the name of The Rule of Law®.
However, the prosecution could pressure the coked-out SOB into explaining the codewords and obliquities of his business communications. Hunter must be very careful from now on. He could slip on a bar of soap.
Thanks, Lilly and narciso!
Youre welcome
https://x.com/iowahawkblog/status/1800612171283386678
I'll wait for sentencing before opining. Its a first conviction for a non-violent crime - might be a candidate to a diversion program - say teaching art classes to high school students.
I noticed that Kurt Schlicter was suggesting on X.com that the whole statute the conviction is under might be unconstitutionally vague. He may have a point.
I agree with many of the posters above that Hunter Biden's potential sentence -- 25 years! -- is wildly disproportionate. But "stricter gun laws" has been the (OK, a) rallying cry for Democrats for decades.
So here we are: A man goes into a gun store to buy a weapon. He swears that he's drug-free when he is not. He then takes it home, where his partner finds it after a week or so and throws it out (which itself I suspect is illegal -- can you really just throw a gun into a dumpster where anyone could retrieve it?).
So, folks: You wanted this. You wanted all gun crimes, and especially gun purchases, prosecuted to the hilt. You wanted long sentences for anyone mishandling firearms or lying to evade background checks. Are you happy now?
American Fascists are so silly, (and stupid). When the fascists' idol is convicted of crimes, they assert the "wrongful" convictions are due to a nefarious plot involving corrupt parties in high positions, and they insist the wrongful convictions must be washed away.
Then, when the son of the American Fascists' enemy (a person in high position) is soon after also convicted of crimes, they insist there is some sort of nefarious plot in play, a plot to unjustly wash away of the convictions.
Cookie is trying to be stupider than rich that could cause serious brain damage
Most people on both sides think Trump will get a harsh sentence. Most people on both sides think Hunter won't.
Telling.
I didn’t realize that Cookie was just one more propaganda bot.
When the fascists' idol is convicted of crimes
Name. The. Crimes.
Not the bullshit misdemeanor. The underlying crime which triggered the felony charges.
Name it or shut up.
LETS MAKE A DEAL!
Tell Hunter they will give him probation for not only these crimes but all others IF HE WILL TELL THEM WHAT ALL SECRETS WERE SOLD TO THE UKRANE/RUSSIA/CHINA...
Even throw in immunity to his mom and dad! All will go away if....
Just tell all... we know the 'paintings' were just money laundering. All the consulting was just money laundering.. so tell all and walk away free.
"Child." Right. A child is a human older than an infant and younger than an adult. Hunter baby is fifty frickin' four years old.
This whole case is becoming surreal. Today was the first day in my life that I actually thought that Scott Adams might be correct in thinking that we are living in a simulation. Almost all Trump supporters that I know personally (and many of them are personal friends of mine) and who post comments on this blog and other conservative blogs, argued forcefully that Hunter would be acquitted because of his father, the President, and because the fix was in with the DOJ and the deep state to be sure that he would be acquitted. Yet he was found guilty, and could face 25 years in prison as a convicted felon, (which we know will not happen, just like Trump as a convicted felon will never spend a single day of his life in jail.) So when Hunter was found guilty, according to most of the comments I read on conservative web sites today (while I was waiting in my doctor's office), the majority of people who were upset about Hunter's conviction were NOT Biden and liberal Democrat supporters, but the majority of the people who opposed Hunter's conviction were Trump supporters. This is surreal.
Freder Frederson said...
People are in jail right now for what Hunter obviously did.
Not one person has been convicted or even charged with having an accountant enter paying a lawyer to secure an NDA as a legal expense except Trump.
I doubt many (if any) people are in jail for this offense alone. It is usually tied to an underlying violent felony or drug trafficking.
And nobody else has ever been convicted of paying a lawyer to secure an NDA for completely legal activity.
And the FEC determined that Trump didn’t break federal election law.
But the fascist “judge” who donated to Biden would not allow the FEC to testify about that.
So you fascist morons are right back at square one.
You really are a stupid person if you think your post made any kind of point.
Rich- still waiting for you to acknowledge that the DoJ did try to let Hunter Biden skate but got caught doing so by an observant judge.
You ready to step up and admit that fact, you sorry sack of dogshit?
And Chuck celebrating the conviction of Hunter Biden- will wonders never cease?
What was that line from billy madison
"At no point did this collection of words resemble a thought we are dumber for hearing it god have mercy on your soul
lonejustice said...
So when Hunter was found guilty, according to most of the comments I read on conservative web sites today (while I was waiting in my doctor's office), the majority of people who were upset about Hunter's conviction were NOT Biden and liberal Democrat supporters, but the majority of the people who opposed Hunter's conviction were Trump supporters. This is surreal.
That is because we don't think what Hunter Biden did with the drugs and the gun forms should be illegal.
Hunter Biden should be charged with tax evasion, money laundering, espionage, and bribery.
The 3 Gun charges were cherry picked out of the hundreds of criminal activities that are on video on that laptop.
And everyone in the world knows why it was these 3 gun charges that Hunter was charged with and the hundreds of other crimes were not.
Everyone with above room temperature IQ anyways.
As pointed above the oaf is threatening law abiding citizens with air strikes for reasons
So bribes from china kazakhstan russia romania albania yes they should have been considered
Robert Cook said...
American Fascists are so silly, (and stupid). When the fascists' idol is convicted of crimes, they assert the "wrongful" convictions are due to a nefarious plot involving corrupt parties in high positions, and they insist the wrongful convictions must be washed away.
Then, when the son of the American Fascists' enemy (a person in high position) is soon after also convicted of crimes, they insist there is some sort of nefarious plot in play, a plot to unjustly wash away of the convictions.
I had high hopes for you at one point.
But you have turned into a garden variety idiot.
Boring. Oh well.
I think the testimony of the ex-girlfriend(s) was damning. The statement of the former sister-in-law at the time was alarming. Then the other ex-girlfriend had lots of details about Hunter's drug use at the time. There is only so much someone can ignore. Still, I'm surprised by the verdict. The crime is clear and everyone understands how Hunter violated it. That said, I think people on both sides expect and even want a light sentence but for different reasons. 4 might say because he is the President's son. 4 might say because it is his first conviction. 4 might say because it is a dumb law that people only get convicted when related to other more serious crimes.
A real prosecutor would now sit Hunter and his lawyer down and start discussing the different sentences available for Hunter with, and without, Hunter's testimony about all the other family corruption and crimes. I'm not holding my breath.
Lonejustice,
It is because you don't understand what we are writing nor even trying to- you seem to think we hated it because of why, exactly? What we were is surprised by it given the jurisdiction, but many of us disagreed with the prosecution for this particular offense for lots of reasons having nothing at all to do with Hunter Biden.
However, what is particularly gaslighting for us is the claim by certain commentators that this verdict demonstrates non-bias by the DoJ, but this is nonsense- the DoJ never wanted to bring this case and tried to plea it down to no jail time and minimal fines with an understanding that Hunter Biden would get a pass on all the other charges that are now pending against him. The judge who had to approve the plea agreement is the only person who is responsible for the DoJ not being able to let Hunter Biden off with a slap on the wrist- that and Hunter Biden's stupidity in demanding a trial when he could have easily just agreed that the other charges would not be part of the plea- the DoJ was never going to move forward with those cases absent Biden's refusal of the plea agreement.
Had that judge not questioned that plea agreement, Hunter Biden would have skated completely on all the charges for which he was being investigated- all of them, and at the direction of his father's DoJ. Can you at least admit that was the case since the evidence for that is overwhelming?
They let Biden, both of them, slide on anything that would do real damage. What is clear is that the Biden family is corrupt, inept, and not very good criminals. Joe has spent 50 years dealing in favors, lying, making up stories about his 'accomplishments'/
As with most of the so called elites, on both sides of the aisle, he is incompetent, and corrupt.
Trumps greatest accomplishment, was to shine the light on just how stupid, willfully ignorant, and hopeless these people really are..
For this sin, he is pilloried by the left, and the right, and many on this blog. Proving that the emperor has no clothes is turning out to be a crime that puts you in jail.
Biden Jr may be set free by daddy. but hopefully will be charged with drug use, sex with minors, and kiddie porn possession. The crimes that the leftist on this blog are just fine with.
It is funny to see how Cook has let down his guard and shown his trues colors.
You sound a lot like the Soviets who claimed all their enemies were fascists when they were the true fascists.
What is hilarious is that this trial was the Bidens gambling on a Delaware jury hanging or acquitting, which is exactly what most everyone thought would happen on both sides of the political divide. I am frankly shocked that the Bidens are so unpopular in even Delaware that the jury just agreed that the evidence was too overwhelming to even spend an afternoon deliberating and convicted.
Guess that gamble didn't pay off- that is why you see so much spinning from the Left on this verdict- they know this result damages Joe Biden and they didn't expect it to happen either.
Meade said...
“And I will also offer pardons to every person convicted of the very same crimes your son was found guilty of, many of those incarcerated Black and Hispanic, who did not share, in our two-tier justice system, the same privileges held by your family of crooks.“
6/11/24, 12:02 PM
This is the kind of thing that could convince me to vote.
Cook - what Crime did Trump commit?
Please explain.
Of course he's guilty, and of course this is political, and although I'm very much conservative, what a chicken shit thing.
do we know why Hunter needed gun when daddy has F-15's to play with?
Could there be a law, federal or otherwise which compelled people to disclose if they were illegally using drugs before they could vote?
does this put DE in play for Nov24?
Trump should have beach rally! in NJ/DE/PA
Jersey Fled said...
The best part was Jill showing up in the courtroom to try to intimidate the jury.
I wonder what she wore.
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jury did not notice! as if she cosplay furniture
The LLR-democratical Brigade is feeling so cocky they even let their Tail-end-Charlie Idiot lonejustice comment!
LOL
lonejustice: "So when Hunter was found guilty, according to most of the comments I read on conservative web sites today..."
LOL
Name them.
“What was that line from billy madison?”
It was spoken by a bulldog, upon completion of some canine intercourse:
“…and I love you…”
Maynard said...
"Meade wins the thread!"
Wins the thread? He won the blogger (blogress?), of course he won the flippin' thread.
Something I read elsewhere I don't see in the comment section.
Hunter's jury was majority black.
That's why Hunter was convicted. Jill was there daily to intimidate the jury. The jury may or may not have recognized that.
I'd wager every black member of that jury had a friend of a friend, if not someone closer, with a family member in ail on similar charges. Including some convicted without all the video evidence of heavy drug use.
And it probably was an all, if not mostly, registered Democrat jury.
Methinks Biden isn't going to get the black vote percentage a DemoncRAT needs to get elected.
It's been about 12 hours since the verdict and Hunter Biden hasn't spectacularly self-destructed. Another two days and I would guess the White House is out of the woods on this one.
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