"It’s a bit like that moment when the British comedians David Mitchell and Robert Webb, playing Waffen-SS officers toward the end of World War II, ask the immortal question: 'Are we the baddies?' I imagine two American sailors asking themselves one day—perhaps as their aircraft carrier is sinking beneath their feet somewhere near the Taiwan Strait: Are we the Soviets?... The self-destruction of homo sovieticus was worse. And yet is not the resemblance to the self-destruction of homo americanus the really striking thing? ... The bloated, dysfunctional bureaucracy, brilliantly parodied by South Park in a recent episode—is great for the nomenklatura, lousy for the proles.... A bogus ideology that hardly anyone really believes in, but everyone has to parrot unless they want to be labeled dissidents—sorry, I mean deplorables? Check. A population that no longer regards patriotism, religion, having children, or community involvement as important? Check. How about a massive disaster that lays bare the utter incompetence and mendacity that pervades every level of government? For Chernobyl, read Covid. And, while I make no claims to legal expertise, I think I recognize Soviet justice when I see—in a New York courtroom—the legal system being abused in the hope not just of imprisoning but also of discrediting the leader of the political opposition.... I still cling to the hope that we can avoid losing Cold War II...."
Writes Niall Ferguson, in "We’re All Soviets Now/A government with a permanent deficit and a bloated military. A bogus ideology pushed by elites. Poor health among ordinary people. Senescent leaders. Sound familiar?" (Free Press).
June 18, 2024
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How did it happen?
Joe Biden's heartless greedy "One China" policy - is just payback to his Chinese Communist masters.
Throwing the sovereign nation of Taiwan under the bus - is just wink wink A-OK gravy for the Arabella Soviet Billionaire corruption class.
His doomsaying is over the top, but the things he's warning about are real. No, we are not the Soviets, China is the Soviets. Their problems are way bigger than ours. But we have our issues and could and should be doing better.
The NYT and WaPo are pretty much American Pravda at this point.
"Are we the baddies?"
Depends on the meaning of "we." Less patriotism, more lawfare, government incompetence mostly come from "them."
But the system is still very productive overall, certainly compared to Europe.
Big difference with USSR and important indicator: few people want to leave, lots of people want to enter. US s*&#hole still better than others.
Taiwan is part of China (see USA one nation policy) - the USA supports reunification by peaceful means.
Original Mike said...
"How did it happen?"
How did it happen? I'll tell ya.
"It's about time we had a black man as president."
And that's all the thought the voters put into it.
And here we are.
America imports poor people from the 3rd and 2nd world - woo hoo. We're number 1!
No a commie drone dean would have di e the same thing
In my Poli Sci days, I might have said a regime is stable if a kind of faith comes from the bottom up. If there is an increasingly failed attempt to preach from the top down, the clock is ticking. Shouting that the elite people are credible and reliable is a bad sign.
RCocean - lol.
No - Biden supports The Chi Com's war machine effort to take over Taiwan. It will not be peaceful.
"How did it happen?"
I'll tell you how it happened. Truman authorized the formation of an organization whose charter was to secretly break the laws of other countries in order to further the interests of the United States. Which turned out to be the same as the interests of the Dulles family and their clients. Also, the organization was not allowed to break the laws of our country. Unless, of course, it broke them secretly.
A lot of really bad shit started under Truman.
Peaceful like tibet like xinjiang hong kong sure
The people who will read this are the people who don't need to read it. The excerpt is perfect. Thanks, Professor.
we live in a fascist dictatorship.. an INCOMPETENT fascist dictatorship (there's no other kind)
anyone that doesn't see this have their heads in the ground
wake up and smell the ruin people.
Don't believe me? tell me TWO things great about this country? tell me ONE thing, ONE thing good
The difference between us and the USSR is our federal system and, more importantly, free and fair elections.
That's why the defeat of Joe Biden and the Deep State is so essential.
2024 is our 1776.
And if the Dems jail Trump or steal the election, watch out.
Omg. The old doddering leadership clinging to power just like the old politburo. I think Althouse has a tag for it.
here's a Super Serious Question, from 390 AD..
WHY would a citizen fight in a Roman Legion?
a super serious but rhetorical question.. citizens DON'T join the legions.. That's a job for germans
'Are we the baddies?'
The United States blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline to inflame and expand the Ukraine War.
We took out an elected Ukrainian leader and installed a puppet who started the current war.
We paid Iran and helped plan October 7th.
The Nations of the African Sahel just rebelled against the French/US installed tyrants and kicked the west out of Africa and they view Russia as their saviors.
Our Regime is doing everything in it's power to start a war in Taiwan.
The US was directly involved in helping the narco gangs install a socialist in Mexico and is keeping our borders open with them in direct coordination with the Mexican Gangs.
I am not even getting to the Obama/Bush/Clinton years yet.
The list of atrocities the United States has committed while under the current regime go back decades.
Yes we are the baddies and we have an obligation to tear down the corrupt evil venal Regime that occupies Washington DC. Our tax dollars are supporting all of this evil in the world right now.
Dave Begley said...
The difference between us and the USSR is our federal system and, more importantly, free and fair elections.
of course.. NEITHER of those things actually exist Dave.
Saying this is a decent country is saying: "This USED TO BE a decent country
Sebastian said...
"Are we the baddies?"
Big difference with USSR and important indicator: few people want to leave, lots of people want to enter. US s*&#hole still better than others.
People are being paid openly to come here.
They are not coming for the opportunities anymore. They are coming because the Biden administration promises them thousands of dollars every month.
We have gulags. The Jan6 sentencing.
Yes we didnt chose this niall you may have ratified it
It's a government reaction to a free blogosphere, a completely new thing.
--- Are we the Soviets?
NO
--- Look around you.
Discouraging, but change is coming shortly on the political front.
And even sooner on the financial front. Extraordinarily weak market breadth, and volatility increases underway, are two reasons stocks could be sent sharply lower, IMO. A loss of wealth and a shock of fear among investors will seem awful but may brace us up longer-term. It is part of our system's self-correcting mechanisms.
This article was interesting but much too gloomy given our biggest resource, the American heritage of liberty. The enemies of freedom have reached the gates of Vienna (VA) but they will be defeated. Says my crystal ball and the historical record.
What are Snowden and Assange?
see, the KEY THING IS:
rome did NOT fall because of outside invaders or outside problems..
rome fell because THE ROMANS DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ROME, cause rome didn't give a shit about THEM
No chernobyl was an accident covid was deliberate
Original Mike said...
How did it happen?
The same way it always happens.
51% figures out they can vote for everyone else to give them their stuff. Social Security. Medicare. Guaranteed Pensions.
They install a bureaucracy to protect their theft. Washington DC. EPA. Sexual Harassment laws.Etc.
The Bureaucracy morphs into Aristocracy. To get a federal job you go to Ivy League schools. Only token minorities and scions get into Ivy league schools. Even the Republicans in DC chosen for leadership went to Harvard/Yale.
Aristocracy goes from 51% -> 40% -> ~30%. Mail in voting and "ballot harvesting."
The details are different. The pattern and the results are easily predictable and inevitable.
Most people find telling everyone else what to do and being corrupt and venal repulsive. That is why corrupt evil venal assholes always manage to successfully infest the halls of power in any society.
gilbar:
Various State AG's have sued the federal government in federal court and have won some cases.
The Left wants to destroy SCOTUS because they don't control it. That's why the attacks on Thomas and Alito.
I want to see SCOTUS impose a Code of Ethics on Congress. Let's start with no purchase of individual stocks.
rhhardin said...
It's a government reaction to a free blogosphere, a completely new thing.
Social media is what is different this time.
This would all be going according to plan if people were not able to connect and communicate outside of the big media.
What is happening to Nixon is tame compared to what is happening to Trump.
The more we find out about our own history the more it is obvious that they killed JFK, Watergate was a setup, and they just picked a crazy person with bad aim to shoot Reagan.
Bad things seem to happen to Presidents who try to stop all the wars.
The Bushes were obvious traitors who dutifully started wars. Clinton and Obama bombed all sorts of places and installed the US in Africa.
What is happening now is not new. We are just finding out about it because technology allows us to communicate.
The difference between us and the USSR is Althouse.
Dave Begley said...
I want to see SCOTUS impose a Code of Ethics on Congress. Let's start with no purchase of individual stocks.
That is not the job of SCOTUS.
That is our job.
Narr said...
The difference between us and the USSR is Althouse.
There are many brave people standing up in the light and allowing the truth to shine.
X.
Joe Rogan Podcast.
PBD Valuetainment.
Impaulsive.
All In.
Jupiter said
A lot of really bad shit started under Truman.
Truman often said his greatest mistake as president was the creation of the CIA
Its already illegal they just dont prosecute it like swalwell and feinsteins treason to cite too examples
Just like going after 10 year fara violations see manafort
The deepstate just regroups the cia was the ssg and oni before that oss
Sally quinns father was part of the latter group
The photo at the head of The Free Press article wrongly captioned to show "...shoppers ... lining up at a liquor store counter waiting to buy vodka".
People in the photo were not buying vodka but returning empty bottles to supplement their income. The scene is not from a Liquor store but from 'Glassware Reception station'.
What Ferguson describes is not America - it's 20% of America (maybe 30% in the EU/UK). Maybe there's another 25% who vote that way mostly from force of habit. But the latter are starting to catch on; it's looking like enough of them may wise up before November. Even across the Pond the People are beginning to stir.
Godwin's law needs an update
what i mean is, all of this stuff merits examination and complaint; tons of these things are not perfect by any means, but none of it is worse than the McCarthyism that homo americanus did in the Cold War I era
but admitting that would require remembering and mentioning mccarthyism at all, and also not allow us to maximize rhetorical impact. much better to sweep that reality under the rug, and pretend that this new version is actually somehow closer to the torture of accused and their family members for false confessions and named accomplices rather.
the things that are actually happening are worth trying to improve on; lying about it by such extreme comparison is counterproductive at best to that end
Nice reframe.
Our legal system is no worse than anything in equatorial Africa.
There's either a right-wing revolution in this country or we are done.
We will slide slowly and then suddenly into radical left-wing communism.
Orwell smiles...
Achilles at 9:26am
Damn...you go!
“We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn*
* Not sure what country he hails from, it'll come to me in a moment.
mccarthy was a little sloppy, he actually read the senate report on george marshall's errors,
he had started to go after some of the Company's operations overseas, and he screwed up with the Army,
but the national lawyers guild which was the outrage of joe welch is a real thing, the Reece committee did some follow up work
Vaclav havel had some similar sentiments,
Witness said...
but admitting that would require remembering and mentioning mccarthyism at all, and also not allow us to maximize rhetorical impact. much better to sweep that reality under the rug, and pretend that this new version is actually somehow closer to the torture of accused and their family members for false confessions and named accomplices rather.
I did forget to mention McCarthy. You make a good point.
It turns out he was right about almost everything.
There is a group of people that if you do not actively pursue and suppress they will undermine freedom and abuse the powers of government.
Going forward anyone who professes any kind of socialist/communist/marxist leaning needs to be looked on with suspicion. Anyone that acts on these impulses needs to be sanctioned or exiled.
People who want to use the government to redistribute wealth in a tribal manner and limit others opportunity and freedom are antithetical to a free society. We cannot have a free society in a place that tolerates Marxism and people who actively undermine freedom of others.
Well I literally trust words out of Putins mouth just as much as Bidens, the democrats and certainly the FBI/CIA/DNI. I never thought I would ever feel that way.
More people watched this than the whole media combined.
At 11:30 Tucker interviews Gableman and he discusses what happened in Wisconsin.
Most people in the country think our government is illegitimate.
Deep in my 60s, it's become pretty clear that the government of any country the size of the US, the EU, Russia, or China will eventually turn contemptuous of the people they're supposed to be serving. They have to be broken up into smaller nations.
"How did it happen?"
There's nothing in progressive ideology that's not rooted in Soviet disinformation.
Our press is certainly as supinely, slavishly, mendaciously pro-government as Pravda and Izvestia were in Soviet days.
Our press is certainly as supinely, slavishly, mendaciously pro-government as Pravda and Izvestia were in Soviet days.
And by pro-government I don't necessarily mean pro-Administration. The press is on the side of the leftist termites in the permanent civil service. It speaks for all those who love government for its own sake and work for its permanent and continual aggrandizement, expanding its power and reach to every corner of daily life.
Everything inside the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.... where have I heard that before?
At 20 minutes into the interview Dan Gabelman starts going in on how Facebook and Obama operatives took over and completely corrupted the election in Wisconsin.
The Wisconsin election was absolutely corrupt to the core. Facebook gave the 5 largest cities in the state millions of dollars contingent on those cities hiring Facebook employees to run the elections in those cities.
Also contingent on receiving the money was the requirement that they set up a direct fiber connection to a hotel room where one of these Facebook employees set up an office connected directly to the election network.
This interview makes it clear.
Our Regime is evil.
Well I literally trust words out of Putins mouth just as much as Bidens, the democrats and certainly the FBI/CIA/DNI. I never thought I would ever feel that way.
I don't trust Putin, exactly. He is not our friend. I agree that he sincerely thinks he is doing what's best for Mother Russia, and the Russian people support him by a wide margin, even after this futile war.
I will say I fear my own government in general, and the security and espionage services in particular, FAR more than I fear either Putin or the Chinese.
People who want to use the government to redistribute wealth in a tribal manner and limit others opportunity and freedom are antithetical to a free society. We cannot have a free society in a place that tolerates Marxism and people who actively undermine freedom of others.
Agreed. We need a vigorous revival of McCarthyism. No collectivist (be they fascist, socialist, or communist) should ever be allowed to hold a security clearance, work for the government, or teach children. After the Second American Revolution, there need to be much more stringent steps taken to ensure such people are always kept at the margins of society, and encouraged to flee for other countries.
Witness,
It is hilarious you bring up McCarthy- in retrospect McCarthy was far more correct than he was wrong in his claims. Now, as a believer in freedom of speech and association, I have to condemn some of the actions encouraged by McCarthy and his supporters that went beyond simply exposing the infiltration of the government by the Communist spies and supporters, but you would do well to acknowledge that McCarthy did have a good point about all of it. It discredits anyone who won't acknowledge this.
"We paid Iran and helped plan October 7th." Oh, for Chrissakes, shut up. You have no proof for any of your assertions, but this one is especially preposterous.
We're to take criticism of our society from a gent who just accepted a knighthood from some king?
there are certainly indications we lavishly funded Hamas, because of this ginned up oikophobia, certainly the surveilance of certain parties like Egypt seem to have been amiss,
The difference between us and the USSR is our federal system and, more importantly, free and fair elections.
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as astute !?BillyJeff?! asked? : what is the meaning of 'is' above?
Guitar Joe,
We most definitely have funded Hamas by funding Gaza. Money is fungible and Hamas runs Gaza (or did).
"'Are we the baddies?'
"Depends on the meaning of 'we.'"
As the (currently) prevailing empire nation, yes, we are the baddies.
But this does not mean Russia and China are the good guys. All predominant political entities are the baddies...to their own people first of all, and globally to the degree their ambitions impinge on the health, prosperity, and freedom of their the people anywhere.
It is more precise to say we are baddies alongside other competing/cooperative baddies.
I've read about half of the guy's books, and he's worth listening to even when he's wrong.
On a lot of blogs, there would have been a lot of huffy comments by now about how the USA was not, is not, and can never be an empire. At least we're beyond that here.
Ferguson grew up on Paul Kennedy et. al.'s notion of Imperial Overstretch. I'm surprised things aren't actually worse than they are now, considering the last 20+ years.
"That's why the defeat of Joe Biden and the Deep State is so essential."
Ha! The "Deep State" will never be "defeated." It is merely the bureaucratic apparatus of government, without which no government can even exist, much less function. It perseveres as presidents come and go.
Joe Biden? Nothing so different in his government than any that have preceded him. (You also love to imagine the President governs by fiat, when most of what happens in government is determined by the votes in Congress.) You goobers who see Biden as some sort of Mastermind Fascist Tyrant (while simultaneously being a feeble man who isn't all there) are lavishing in a continuous conscious wet dream in which you exercise your hate (and cum when you picture the "F.T." defeated and banished by the "righteous right").
Please grow up. And wipe off, for Chrissakes!
“'We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.'
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn*
"* Not sure what country he hails from, it'll come to me in a moment."
It's any country that is a major global power.
George Carlin - It's A BIG Club & You Ain't In It!
Robert Cook said...
"'Are we the baddies?'
"Depends on the meaning of 'we.'"
This speaks to the nature of people that are naturally drawn to power and attracted to "work" in government in any social contract ever created.
That is why if a society is to be as free as possible it requires that the government be as small and powerless as possible while still functioning to provide liberty and freedom.
@Yancey Ward,
you are inching towards insight. good luck!
Agreed. We need a vigorous revival of McCarthyism. No collectivist (be they fascist, socialist, or communist) should ever be allowed to hold a security clearance, work for the government, or teach children. After the Second American Revolution, there need to be much more stringent steps taken to ensure such people are always kept at the margins of society, and encouraged to flee for other countries.
Well, that's a stunning endorsement of the concept of free speech.
Hassayamper says:
"Agreed. We need a vigorous revival of McCarthyism. No collectivist (be they fascist, socialist, or communist) should ever be allowed to hold a security clearance, work for the government, or teach children. After the Second American Revolution, there need to be much more stringent steps taken to ensure such people are always kept at the margins of society, and encouraged to flee for other countries."
Freder retorts:
"Well, that's a stunning endorsement of the concept of free speech."
I agree. It is a stunning endorsement of free speech and its consequences.
Just like I've always opposed penalties for flag burning because I always wanted my enemies to come out in the open. That's why I am always glad to see collectivists spouting their ideas.
If they had remained in the open we might have been able to keep them out of positions of responsibility.
Communism, socialism, and fascism always end up enriching those at the top. Better to live in a society where the rich can become powerful than in one where the powerful ALWAYS become rich at the expense of everyone else. And in collectivist societies the powerful ALWAYS become rich.
Indeed so, Freder, in the fine old tradition of Jonathan Swift.
Achilles @ 10:54
Thank you for the link,Achilles. I watched the entire Gableman interview. It's puzzling that it seems to have been done a little less than 2 years ago; near the end they reference the "upcoming" midterms. Was this a rebroadcast? Also, wielectionreview.org is not functional any longer. Any insights on these questions?
Original Mike said...
Achilles @ 10:54
Thank you for the link,Achilles. I watched the entire Gableman interview. It's puzzling that it seems to have been done a little less than 2 years ago; near the end they reference the "upcoming" midterms. Was this a rebroadcast? Also, wielectionreview.org is not functional any longer. Any insights on these questions?
The reason nobody is discussing Gabelman's investigation or report is because even people like Ann do not want to recognize just what is going on. Republicans are barely better than Democrats when it comes to this.
The people who typically like to discuss politics, us, are just not quite as ambitious as the people who formally seek power. But we still support the general frame of reference that drives a politician to seek power. Most of us are ideologically captured.
Our ideas possess us. Most of us dwell in the same corruption that is inherent to using political power to get your way.
I have known about Gabelman's investigation for a while now.
He lays it out in very clear terms just how corrupt the 2020 election in Wisconsin was.
When he talks about the Republican cowards like Vos they aren't cowards he is giving people the benefit of the doubt. They are not cowards, they are traitors. And a good portion of the Nevertrump/Desantis campaign needs Trump to be the loser in 2020.
Vos keeps winning primaries and nobody likes him. Congress has a 15% approval rating and 95% reelection rate.
Both parties are in on the vote fraud. Huge companies are in on the voter fraud.
Our government is pervasively corrupt at all levels because it is the nature of people that want to work for government to be corrupt.
This is like telling your uncle that is otherwise a great guy that he is drunk and making the family reunion uncomfortable.
-Paper ballots.
-Voter ID.
-In person.
-One day.
-Publicly available and queryable voter databases with photos and addresses.
-surveys and audits of voter roles
-penalties for not updating your state registration when you move.
We need to actually start taking this seriously.
Truman often said his greatest mistake as president was the creation of the CIA
Truman was the "Surprise. Surprise. Surprise." president. FDR didn't go out of his way to keep him in the loop on a lot of stuff.
Kind of a simple-minded man who treated all problems as simple problems, subject to simple solutions. Thank God he got Hiroshima right.
He then fired his most brilliant military commander for the same reason Bill Clinton "never had sexual relations with that woman... Ms. Lewinski"; because he could.
Creation of the CIA was a way to end an epic Turf War between J. Edgar and Bill Donovan. In a way, establishing the CIA provided Establishment Washington some cover from unchecked FBI power. Ulimitately, both agencies became extremely evil.
NKP said:
"Truman was the "Surprise. Surprise. Surprise." president. FDR didn't go out of his way to keep him in the loop on a lot of stuff.
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>>>Baloney. FDR was quite ill when he picked Truman for VP, and died 82 days after the two took office.
>>>In any case, Presidents back then didn't give their VPs something to do.
>>>FDR's first VP. John Nance Garner famously said that the vice presidency "isn't worth a bucket of warm shit."
"[Truman] then fired his most brilliant military commander for the same reason Bill Clinton "never had sexual relations with that woman... Ms. Lewinski"; because he could."
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>>>Nonsense. MacArthur was pushing for a land war with the Chinese, which would have bogged us down forever. He publicly crritized his CINC for not allowing him free rein to attack the Chicoms. . So Truman fired him for insubordination and for undermining civilian control of the military.
>>>If Trump had got wind that "Thoroughly Modern" Milley was undermining him by secretly talking with the Chinese (as reported by Goodman and Bernstein), he should have fired him on the spot. But there we are with the "hearsay" problem again.
He forgot a senile executive and gerontocratic ruling class.
Yeah, this is spot on.
Left-wing ideology.
RepubliCons. DemocRats. More than meets the eye.
I don't know that we're the Soviets. But we do have the nomenklatura, trials for political enemies and gerontocracy. Not to mention Pravda on the Potomac and on Manhattan Island.
Starring Joe Biden as Leonid Brezhnev.
Wait for it..............
Freder you dumbass.
If freedom of speech is so important to you how come you're actively working to supress it?
No need to answer I know why.
I've read a lot of Niall Ferguson's books. He's a fairly capable historian, honest evaluator and all that. Is his "Are We The Soviets Now' column is depressing, because it contains more than a grain--heck a wheelbarrow full of truth. We do have a Nomeklatura; we have a Uniparty; and we've got geezers in control of all of it.
Still, if you get away from the Acela Corridor, the Blue Left Coast, the MSM and college campuses, I don't think the rot extends to most of flyover country--yet. f
It's the playing out--with a twist--of the old Convergence Theory: the two systems would come to resemble each other more and more.
The West were best, and had a good run, but that age is drawing to a close.
Sad.
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