"Some scholars report that this has had a chilling effect on their work, making them less willing to participate in the academy or in the wider world of public discourse. The price of pushing boundaries, particularly with more conservative ideas, has become higher and higher. Schools ought to be teaching their students that there is as much courage in listening as there is in speaking up.... [M]any of those who are now demanding the right to protest have previously sought to curtail the speech of those whom they declared hateful. Establishing a culture of openness and free expression is crucial to the mission of educational institutions. That includes clear guardrails on conduct and enforcement of those guardrails, regardless of the speaker or the topic...."
Writes The Editorial Board of the New York Times in "A Way Back from Campus Chaos."
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If they truly believe this, NYT must model what they’re preaching. Let’s see if they do. Given this has been discussed for many many years, I’m not holding my breath.
Wait...the NYT? They still exist? I thought they were genocided by a Tom Cotton op-ed.
Welp.
I can think of one hateful thing that they are not discouraging at all. IYKWIMAITYD
Pretty ironic, given the NYT's own history of canceling employees for their views.
Where were they for James Bennet?
"For several years many university leaders have failed to act as their students and faculty have shown ever greater readiness to block an expanding range of views that they deem wrong or beyond the pale."
Writes The Editorial Board of the New York Times in "A Way Back from Campus Chaos."
...after decades of celebrating those same leaders.
The record of Media admitting to past errors is only marginally greater than that of Legislatures, which has remained a reliable baseline zero.
Since calling out antisemites (and yes “anti-zionism” is also antisemitism) here’s your reminder that the easily triggered like the small o ocean guy have never identified a country that has no right to exist and defend itself, only Israel (Zion) fits their narrow definition. No matter that other newer countries have come to be since we were born, and some have split in two, and others have virtually disappeared.
Nope. There’s only one country that the hateful bigots want excluded from the right-to-life club. Unless of course you are an Islamist and lump America into the tiny category too. Strangely, and apropos of Althouse’s excerpt, the spoiled brats violating campus rules also include “Death to America” in their stupid chants now too. Leftism is a death cult.
University leaders have "failed to act" because they AGREE with the views of the students and faculty who have shown readiness, no, eagerness, to expand the range of views they deem wrong or beyond the pale.
Physician, heal thyself.
"The price of pushing boundaries, particularly with more conservative ideas, has become higher and higher. Schools ought to be teaching their students that there is as much courage in listening as there is in speaking up"
Looks like the NYT editorial department got hacked again. They'll print a retraction and be back with their regularly scheduled hypocrisy tomorrow, they promise.
Three of those fingers are pointing back at you, NYT.
And to think that all it took was for Jews to discover they were going to be treated as white people ….
"A Way Back from Campus Chaos."
The problem is the fascists running the place. They are causing problems all over the country.
We should just ship them to China where they belong.
Even when I agree with the NYT, I look for the hidden motivation behind the words.
[M]any of those who are now demanding the right to protest have previously sought to curtail the speech of those whom they declared hateful.
See: Cotton, Tom, NYT OpEd, for example.
So *now* it's a problem, when the chaos is directed at a Democrat.
How about the NYT start with their newsroom?
How about a failure of leadership at the NYT for missing the obvious for 20+ years?
Pretty pathetic, and thanks for the tip!
The reason they have failed is because there are no "expanding views" on college campuses, including in the minds of the leadership. Their views and opinions don't expand, the just move further left toward insanity. The leadership are also arrogant cowards. We saw that when the University presidents refused to say holocaust promotion was harassment against Jewish students.
I also think the screeching of the green haired/nose ring young white women keeps sane frat boys at bay. They are partying, chasing sorority girls, and biding their time to just get the degree and get the hell out of there.
The New York Times has apparently been reading The Free Press, but has yet to locate a mirror in it's own offices.
James Bennet was unavailable for comment.
Couple years ago the NY Times had a golden opportunity to "establish a culture of openness and free expression" with "clear guardrails on conduct and enforcement of those guardrails, regardless of the speaker or the topic" ...and failed miserably.
They might protest that running a newspaper is different from running a college, but if the most powerful and influential paper in the world genuflects to a mob of leftist lunatics then who are they to criticize university leaders for doing the same thing?
The Times needs to get its own house in order before pointing the finger at any other institutions.
Establishing a culture of openness and free expression is crucial to the mission of educational institutions.
…just so long as none of that free expression is from campus conservatives. Letting the Jews (mildly) object to the calls for their destruction is more like what we mean…
The NYT isn't just blind. They have, gleefully, gouged out both their eyes.
NYTimes what a ******* joke. Democrat party agent.
Does this get your civility bullshit tag?
There is a closely related story that I felt certain Althouse would blog; and there are now a small handful of essays from a fairly wide variety of authors (progressives, movement conservatives, etc.), all expressing outrage over the recent letter signed by a baker's dozen Trump-nominated federal judges saying that they are boycotting the hiring of any graduates of Columbia University, based on something or other that they find offensive about recent events on Columbia's campus.
No matter how one might feel about the merits of Israel-Gaza dispute(s), the action of the federal judges is alarming. (I was going to say, "unprecedented," but there is at least some history about law school interviewing invitations to the U.S. military in the days of sexual orientation discrimination, etc. The history is too long to go into here, and not really on point, but I wanted to acknowledge that history, as Althouse would.)
So here's a link to a representative criticism with most of the salient facts about the Trump judges' action. (This is one of those rare instances when it is fair and accurate to talk about "[Fill in the name of your least favorite President] Judges.) It's from the New Republic:
The Right-Wing Judges’ Ban on Columbia Students Is Wildly Unethical.
My only quibble with TNR's headline is that it isn't exactly "Right-wing" judges. It's 100% Trump-nominated judges. Lots of conservatives are criticizing the irresponsibility, the unethicality, the collective punishment aspect, the 'guilt by association' smear involved in this crazy action by the Trump judges.
Professor Althouse has personal experience interviewing for, and serving in, a judicial clerkship. She has been a faculty advisor for law student who have advanced to judicial clerkships. She expresses a fondness for "cruel neutrality" in political matters, and I have long presumed (but sometimes doubted) her devotion to the rule of law and fairness.
Do feel free to look for other commentary on this story and share it with me if you wish.
Writes The Editorial Board of the New York Times in "A Way Back from Campus Chaos."
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why call it "A Way Back .. ?" why not A Way Forward?
conservative views are blocked... just because.
Leftist violence and pro-terrorist temper tantrums - are allowed.
I write it again- the pushback from the Left here is politically motivated- if Trump had won in 2024, the NYTimes would be supporting these protests without any criticism at all. I admit, it is hilarious fun to watch the Left eat itself this way.
Is it me or has anyone else noticed the dearth of male[he/him] university presidents?
Take it from me, who spent my adult life on a university campus, it's too far gone for reform in less than decades or generations--and possibly not even then.
I see some commentary here (and on FOX) that the protesters are almost all women studying humanities, and not he-man STEM majors. There's truth in that, but it's dangerous to assume that MANY STEM types, especially the junior faculty, don't share their opinions.
The Prof has an understandable interest in the NYT as grist for the blogwheel, but it's my experience that most NYT readers are wankers, as clueless as they are pretentious.
Establishing a culture of openness and free expression is crucial to the mission of educational institutions
Let's ask Donald McNeil what he thinks.
The polling on the campus Hamas rallies must be absolutely terrible for the Democrats.
Notice that when Chuck is trying to change the subject to the judges who are boycotting Columbia, he's too embarrassed by the conduct of the students to even acknowledge the basis of the judges' complaint.
They came for conservatives and the NYT said, we are not conservative, this is nothing to do with us. Move along.
Then they came for people with white skin, and again the NYT said, they... they probably had it coming.
Then they came for the Jews. Oh shit 👀
"Notice that when Chuck is trying to change the subject to the judges who are boycotting Columbia, he's too embarrassed by the conduct of the students to even acknowledge the basis of the judges' complaint."
That is Chuck the Cunt's modus operandi. He is a political schemer without any ethical core whatsoever. The very thing for which he constantly criticizes Trump is exactly what Chuck is at heart.
Notice that when Chuck is trying to change the subject to the judges who are boycotting Columbia, he's too embarrassed by the conduct of the students to even acknowledge the basis of the judges' complaint.
It’s really weird to me that you presume to know how I feel about “the conduct of the students” when I don’t know how I feel, myself. What conduct, exactly? Which students, exactly?
One thing I know for damned sure…
If I were a president or a governor, there is no way that I would ever pardon students (and non-students) who broke into university buildings, destroyed contents, and illegally shut down the functioning of the university. I also wouldn’t pardon January 6 protesters who broke into the Capitol, vandalized the interior and onsite work of Congress.
Columbia university has 13,838 non-American (international) students enrolledin fall 23
Undergrad plus another 6m or so grad students.
Of these 19m total China had 6880 grad students and a couple hundred underhrad
India was #2 with 1224 grad and 66 Undergrad
Lots more info here
https://isso.columbia.edu/content/statistics
I wonder if this means anything at all? Hmmmmmmm
Probably just coincidence
John Henry
Now I've got a hankering for strawberries.
That's my statement and I'm sticking to it.
John Henry
If I were a president or a governor, there is no way that I would ever pardon students...
You would do it in a heartbeat if China or Qatar or other big funders told you to.
You wouldn't even need to be told. You didn't get where you are by doing anything that might annoy your funders however slightly.
Alumni? Fuck them. How much do they contribute? 5,maybe 10%?
John Henry
Maybe they could back a tractor up against the barn door. Or pile bales of hay against it.
At the last OPPD meeting, I wanted to discuss CAGW with 4 Creighton students. They all “refused to engage.” No debate!: And then their professor called me a “crack pot.” I filed a formal written academic complaint for violation of the faculty handbook.
“chasing sorority girls“
Sorority girls are not what they used to be. My daughter was involved with the Pan-Hellenic organization when she was in college. This is the campus-wide association of sororities that deals with relations with the college administration, discipline, major event planning, and so on. It was a challenging job, because the type of people who become college administrators tend to be forthrightly hateful of sororities and fraternities, and looking for any excuse to kick them off campus. There is also a significant contingent of the purple and green haired clowns with fishing tackle in their faces, mouthing all the far left slogans and policing their sisters for deviationist thinking. There has always been an element of coercion in the life of a sorority, but in the past, the peer pressure was directed towards getting good grades, not behaving like a complete whore, maintaining certain standards of appearance and fitness, and tying down a decent man for marriage and motherhood shortly after graduation. All that has been abandoned in favor of boss-girls-don’t-need-no-man-sexy-at-any-size cheerleading and radical leftist politics, but the girls don’t seem the least bit happier for the change. The majority of them are still there to find a man who can take care of them, or get a useful degree to fall back on if they fail to do so, but they are all terrified of the radical loudmouths within their sororities and in the bureaucracy that oversees them.
Blogger Chuck said..."based on something or other that they find offensive about recent events on Columbia's campus."
"Some people did something."
NYT - " The price of pushing boundaries, particularly with more conservative ideas, has become higher and higher. "
From they who had a large hand in making that price its current height.
My understanding is that most university presidents are hired for their fundraising abilities and otherwise are as spineless as an earthworm.
Disruptive left-wing protests are the essence of democracy.
Disruptive right-wing protests are the enemy of democracy.
When I was a 3d-year student at Columbia Law School in 1968, we went through all the same crap of "demonstrators" taking over buildings and the U cancelling classes as has been going on at Columbia this year. We DID have a graduation, but a lot of students went to "alternative" graduations. Most of the classmates I knew were reasonable, nonviolent people (politically more "liberal" than me -- but then most people were). It would have been a mistake for judges or law firms to boycott me and my classmates because of Columbia's inept and ineffectual responses to the demonstrations of 1968. I don't know if the Columbia Law School Class of 2024 has been thoroughly corrupted by the Law School, unlike the Class of 1968, but I don't think you should assume so.
"Notice that when Chuck is trying to change the subject..."
Protip: If you don't read his comments, you will avoid all sorts of idiocy and not be sucked into his games.
LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck: "based on something or other that they find offensive about recent events on Columbia's campus."
Original Mike: "Some people did something."
LOL
Perfectly captured OM. Perfectly.
I have read that the judges who are boycotting Columbia specifically say they will not hire anyone who enters Columbia law school starting this fall. If so, they are not in fact punishing any innocent bystanders in the current student body, as a couple of people here allege, only future students who knowingly matriculate at a school that has now demonstrated it is either unwilling or unable to protect Jewish students from abuse and threats.
There is no way to reform academia. The fascistic force of allowing only one point of view took hold decades ago. It has only grown stronger. Higher education is an utterly failed institution, filled with idiot authoritarians who grow dumber and more prejudiced by the year, from the lowliest grad student to the college president. So who would reform it? The custodial crew?
At Columbia, there was only one honest employee speaking to the news: the janitor who was briefly detained by the terrorists. He corrected the media's misrepresentations of the event but did not minimize the threat of more seriois violence and injury in their behavior.
Name one professor or administrator who has been half as ethical.
I actually think the Times is trying to grow readership with a few distaff columns and reeling in some of their dumber hires, but it's far too late for them, too.
It's time to build alternative institutions. Let what exists now die the death they have so richly earned. Or, just change all their names to University of Saudi-Qatar, in honor of the finest demoralization campaign ever conducted.
Chuck: at first I had the same reaction. Then I actually read the justices' statement. They do not want only future students who choose to enter Columbia now, knowing it is an institution that has basically shat on the free exchange of ideas. It's not about the protests: it is leverage against an administration and faculty that has encouraged anarchy, rejected the rule of law, and violated the principles of academic free speech. It is a statement designed to pressure the school and others to do better.
There must still be one jew on the NYT editorial board.
There must still be one jew on the NYT editorial board.
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