Writes Dan Froomkin, in "New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it." (Press Watch).
Froomkin is reading "an interview with obsequious former employee Ben Smith, now the editor of Semafor," where Kahn said:
"To say that the threats of democracy are so great that the media is going to abandon its central role as a source of impartial information to help people vote — that’s essentially saying that the news media should become a propaganda arm for a single candidate, because we prefer that candidate’s agenda."
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Is the NYT better off than it was four years ago? Who has attacked democracy and constitutional rights more, Trump or his enemies? How many journalists have addressed that question?
Nobody's calling for Althouse to uphold her standards as a woman; rather to think more like a man.
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at these people.
"To say that the threats of democracy are so great …"
Just once I would love for them to enumerate these "threats to democracy".
Trump’s derangement? This guy Froomkin might want to try living on planet earth for a change.
The media has been giving a trillion dollars worth of in-kind contributions to their chosen candidates - all democrats - since before Reagan was president, not a penny of it claimed on any quarterly fundraising report or FEC or SEC filing.
Considering the overwhelming odds against them, it's actually amazing republicans get elected at all. That should tell you just how hard they have to push down on the scales to get their way. Without the gargantuan institutional apparatus arrayed against republicans, democrats would probably never get elected again.
Shorter Froomkin: It's not "Democracy" if we don't win.
"To say that the threats of democracy are so great..."
Wow! Freudian slip much?!
what was that churchill line 'were just arguing over price' now, there is no virtue in either Gog or Magog of the East Coast,
People like Froomkin never want to look hard at the greatest threat to our republic, namely, the re-election of Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
our mission remains unchanged..
didn't the NYTs run a thing on their front page back in the Trump Presidency, forsaking objectivity?
What has changed NOW? i mean Besides plummeting sales?
I would be interested to know what kind of worm it was. A tapeworm would be Nixonian. A digital worm, also known as MAGA, would be Trumpian.
Quelle suprise…
“Nobody's calling for Althouse to uphold her standards as a woman; rather to think more like a man.“
I seem to have a recollection of Althouse taking target practice with a firearm. Can’t recall if the target was a dog or a crane.
Defending Democracy is stupid. Democracy predictably fails following the same pattern over and over again.
1. 51% of the population figures out it can vote itself everyone else's money.
2. A Bureaucracy is installed to protect the system that gives them everyone else's money.
3. The Bureaucracy becomes Aristocracy.
4. The Aristocracy goes from 51% to 10%.
5. The 90% feed the Aristocracy to the guillotines.
Our government was founded as a limited Representative Republic with a constitution that strictly limited the power of the 51%. But the scum and villainy that is attracted to political power gradually increased the power of the 51% and set us on the path to today.
We are somewhere in stage 4 right now. We have so many government wealth transfers like Social Security and Federal Student Loans that are all transferring massive wealth from the poorest in our country to the wealthiest. The Federal Government is a massive overfed tic and over the last four years they have looted the treasury. The math on our debt is insane.
Stage 5 is utterly predictable at this point.
Ben smith, one of the originators of the journolist the original grapevine,
Why does the Left keep using this tired and fake "threat to democracy" line?
If Trump wins the election that's democracy in action!
The Elites know that most voters are dopes and educated in crappy public schools and they fall for BS like that.
How do you ask a newspaper to be the last media organization to die for a mistake?
If the world was nothing but DC/SidwellFriends/Georgetown/WaPo, Froomkin would be absolutely in the center of popular opinion. When you read this, you see where the future will be headed if we just shut up like we have been instructed to do.
Antifa thinks he's a sellout, I bet. Therefore, his view represents balance. He and his brother are a big deal in their world. Democracy means doing what the experts tell you to do, and the Froomkins are the experts. Only Fascists would disagree.
After all, look at those credentials!
NOW he is upset that the New York times turned into Pravda prior 2016??
"We’re asking the Times to recognize that it isn’t living up to its own standards..."
Well, at least Kahn is hinting they may not go all prog all the time, so yes, in that sense, it is falling short.
"... of truth-telling and independence when it obfuscates the stakes of the 2024 election, covers up for Trump’s derangement, and goes out of its way to make Biden look weak."
Because the truth is, obviously, that Biden is strong. You look at him walking and yu think, that's one strong dude.
"New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it."
"defending democracy" = making sure Dems win. Otherwise, democracy fails. But at least progs are honest: "our democracy" is not about system or process or procedure, certainly not voting, God forbid, but strictly about outcomes.
should become
has become
"Wow! Freudian slip much?!"
Heh. I didn't notice.
These articles complaining about the NYT not doing enough to drag Biden across the finish line show what a heavy lift it is. Even with all their weight firmly placed on one side of the scale, it may not be enough. The fact they haven't replaced him on the ticket makes you wonder what they have up their sleeve.
Dan Froomkin should thank Ann. Presswatchers.org typically generates less than 250 views a month.
The reason the public Discourse is so polluted is people like this guy are constantly engaged in lying and gaslighting the public. Its done so often its impossible to cut through the crap to have a reasonable intelligent conversation. Examples:
Biden is 110 percent for Israel and is correctly labeled as "Genocide Joe". Do the zionist defend his actions? No, instead they lie and portray Biden as being antisemitic and sabotaging Israel! Go read the Neo-cons or Fox news.
The NYT's and the MSM have dropped all objectivity and constantly lie and attack Trump and his supporters. Does the left defend this? Of course not. They lie and attack the NYTs and MSM For being covering up for Trump and not hating facist trump enough.
Just like the USSR, the people with unchecked power are not defending their actions but creating phantom enemies and portraying themselves as oppressed. Wreckers and counter-revolutionaries are everywhere. So even more people need to be sent to the Gulag or executed. Now, its "Democracy is in peril" because of Trump and his "fascists".
So, the Lying Liars who always Lie (TM) are in a pissing match with the Stooging Stooges who Obsequ? Whatever. The sea is big enough to drown them all. We just need a wave.
I will be voting against Biden and every other Democrat as part of my obligation to defend democracy.
The US News Media:
The threat to democracy is great, but we can't give you concrete examples that will convince you so we'll fail to report on some things, distract with other things, and report opinions as fact. Trust us, it's for your own good.
The author of that load of codswallop is a truly delusional twit living in an alternate universe.
Stalin often forced Pravda to be more supportive of his efforts to protect democracy in the Soviet Union.
Anyone who utters the words 'our democracy' without irony should be punished by death.
They are too stupid to be allowed to live.
Typical bullshit strawman logic from someone with a librul farts education.
In addition to being completely wrong on the logic he is also wrong on the outcome. If the New York Times continued to follow his playbook Trump would be even more popular and more of a so-called threat to democracy.
Kahn is 100% right.
Also, believing that Trump (or any Republican) being elected is a threat to democracy is an irrational belief. Silencing your political opponents is actually a threat to democracy.
As a Libertarian, I believe that it's important for people to be presented with both sides of an issue so that they can make an informed decision.
If your ideas are so weak that they can't stand up to any counter opinion, your ideas are probably wrong.
The democratic/dictatorial duality of majority rule. Fortunately, we live in a republic with a constitution that affirms individual rights, and mitigates authoritarian progress... while we can keep it.
The Times already abandoned its independence, at least according to James Bennet. He worked 15 years there, spent 10 years as editor-in-chief at The Atlantic, returned to be the Times' opinion editor, but was then forced to resign.
In When The New York Times Lost Its Way, he goes into considerable detail about how the culture at The Times had changed since he was first there, going from liberal bias to an illiberal desire to stifle debate, and abandoning truthfulness (and the Times' credibility) to advance narratives instead.
This resulted in their inability to block Trump's ascent.
"There are many reasons for Trump’s ascent, but changes in the American news media played a critical role. Trump's manipulation and every one of his political lies became more powerful because journalists had forfeited what had always been most valuable about their work: their credibility as arbiters of truth and brokers of ideas, which for more than a century, despite all of journalism’s flaws and failures, had been a bulwark of how Americans govern themselves."
to rcoceanII; you actually believe that Joe is '110% for Israel'? If so, why is he a) holding back weapons so they cannot finish hamas off now, b) demanding that Israel acceot hamas' terms of truce aka surrender c) moving heaven and earth to ship 'humanitarian aid' to gaza when everyone knows hamas is stealing all the goods? nice gaslighting effort, twerp!
I remain . . . puzzled? flummoxed? gobsmacked? by the view that Our Democracy Is At Stake. People honestly seem to have forgotten that Trump was President, for four years, and we had neither mass suicide nor WWIII. Why is his possible re-election then so apocalyptic? What unimaginable nastiness is the #OrangeManBad going to release on us all that he just didn't get around to last time?
I seem to have a recollection of Althouse taking target practice with a firearm. Can’t recall if the target was a dog or a crane.
In Madison I’m pretty sure they use Republicans.
I'm always a bit flummoxed, when the liberal fascists claim that their wholly-owned liberal fascist media is not liberal and fascist enough.
I don’t understand why it is our responsibility, or Israel’s responsibility, to feed the Palestinians. Gaza shares a border with Egypt, fortified by a high wall that is every bit is strong as it is on the Israeli side. The Egyptians could easily provide relief supplies by truck, but for some reason, they refuse to. We send billions of dollars to them every year and it would be quite easy to make it contingent on them taking care of their Palestinian mascots. This floating “Mulberry Harbor” Idea for supplying them by sea is completely crackpot in my view. Our men will be sitting ducks for the Islamic terrorists.
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