Chemerinsky has been a vocal critic of pro-Palestinian activists at Berkeley and a frequent target of their activity since the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel and Israel’s ongoing war in Gaza. Chemerinsky said he is being singled out because he is Jewish.
“Last week, there was an awful poster, on social media and bulletin boards in the law school building, of a caricature of me holding a bloody knife and fork, with the words in large letters, ‘No dinner with Zionist Chem while Gaza starves,’” he said in the statement. “I never thought I would see such blatant antisemitism, with an image that invokes the horrible antisemitic trope of blood libel and that attacks me for no apparent reason other than I am Jewish.”
You can see the poster here, at Volokh Conspiracy.
IN THE COMMENTS: MadTownGuy asks:
"Is it disturbing that the student calmly claimed her First Amendment right, or that the homeowner made a staunch (and well-grounded) assertion? I'm guessing it's the latter, but it wasn't abundantly clear to me, the way it was written."
Thank you very much for that question. I know I left that ambiguous, and I appreciate the prompt to expand on why I felt the way I did.
1. I hate to see a physical fight. It is violence. Not the worst sort of violence, but the kind of violence you get when 2 individuals decide to stand their ground and it is the same ground. Human beings are territorial — at law school dinners and in the Middle East.
2. I empathize with the affluent, well-positioned woman who passionately believes "This is my home!" is a devastatingly powerful argument, but she is asserting it against a person who is aggrieved by thousands of people driven from their homes — or killed in their homes — in Gaza.
3. Both women know they are performers in a scene that will be scrutinized, and Fisk's pawing at Afaneh does not look good on camera. That makes me feel sorry for Fisk. Afaneh executed her planned part much more effectively. How it looks affects people at least as much as the legal arguments Chemerinsky promptly delivered to the press.
4. I'm disturbed by the difficulty of hospitality. Fisk and Chemerinsky have opened their private space to students, and this is what happens.
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I'm torn. He's right AND he deserves it. And worse.
Hilarious, idiots getting a a taste of the stupidity they generally support is heartwarming
From the post:
"The activist student — Malak Afaneh — is female, which may explain why it was Fisk who took the lead in attempting to oust the student from the premises. It's a very disturbing video, with the student standing her ground and calmly claiming a First Amendment right, and Fisk staunchly asserting "This is my home"
Is it disturbing that the student calmly claimed her First Amendment right, or that the homeowner made a staunch (and well-grounded) assertion? I'm guessing it's the latter, but it wasn't abundantly clear to me, the way it was written.
The Woke activists and the pro-Palestine activists will not rest until they drive the social moderates and the Jews from the Party. When that happens -- and it is inexorably happening despite Trump -- the activists will spend 40 years in a self-imposed wilderness.
No one ever learns. No one ever remembers history. Cuckoo birds continue to push eggs from the nest and take food from victim parents. Lemmings continue to run into the sea.
Kefiyeh-wearing, face-eating leopards.
Shocking!
Someone needs to explain to the Dean that the days of Jewish prosperity and achievement in America are over, because the Dems have determined to both import and create a large, increasingly powerful, population that really freakin’ hates Jews.
...but its in California where it has been recently established the homeless have a right to occupy your property, then if they gain access to your home while you’re away they may change the locks and deny you entry until they acquire squatters rights to the property.
The guy what cuts my wife’s hair had to leave San Diego because a small homeless encampment set up in the ten feet of lawn at the base of a wall below his home. He got in legal trouble when he tried to plant bushes to keep them away. Now he wears trucker caps (‘ironically’ he says) cutting hair in South Carolina…
I would imagine there’s some kind of super-citizen rights for self-proclaimed Palestinians in California…
The pro Hamas people aren't sympathetic to begin with. They then libel the Dean and trespass on his property. And, of course, they have blocked bridges and roads to airports. I personally observed their insane protest at Omaha's St. Patrick's Day parade.
The war is over when Hamas surrenders and ALL the hostages are released.
The Palestinians are hated by the other Arab groups in the neighborhood. I read somewhere that they have a low average IQ due to inbreeding. Must be true.
Fuck'em.
The headline makes it sound like the Dean went to the activist's home to confront him. Unintentional?
It is their home
If they'd printed, "A Jewish UC Berkeley dean confronts pro-Palestinian activist at their home", readers might think the activist was non-binary.
Delicate Islamists..
genocidal liars.
If you give in to their demands you incentivize more of the behavior. This is why we can’t have nice things. Universal condemnation of the behavior is the appropriate disincentive…
A law student thinks she has a First Amendment right to do this?
Meanwhile, others of HER ilk are screaming DEATH to AMERICA, and the media yawns....
Her attire strikes me as authentic as the hard hats and orange vests the attorneys wear to those minimum/living wage protests…
It is a very disturbing video. The Dean’s wife, a law professor, confronts the activist student by physically accosting her. I understand she was upset with Malak’s rudeness ruining the planned dinner for the 3L Berkeley law students. But the physical confrontation was unnecessary. And unseemly.
The Professors opened their doors and let these people into their home, to share their abundance and show their good will. The guests had different values and intentions and felt no obligation to respect the rules their hosts live by.
This story is a metaphor for the open borders policy these Profs likely support.
It's too bad Dean Chemerinsky's wife didn't take the gentlest possible approach to getting past the puffed-up, hyper-vigilant turkey in her backyard.
>>The activist student — Malak Afaneh
I hope today she is a "former student".
But I suspect she will be rewarded, not punished.
The swastika is back in vogue with the democrat party. History does repeat itself
Maybe the woke children born in the U.S. would have plenty of rage to come up with pro-Palestinian protests on their own. White settlers all bad, everywhere: North America, South Africa, Kenya, Israel. The only hope for Israelis may be to somehow be designated as Asians hence not white by definition. Judaism like Christianity is an Oriental or Asian religion. Christianity oddly spread to a great extent by Europeans (Saint Paul ensured Christianity was conducted in Greek, and shifted the capital to Rome--the Roman Empire had been Hellenized). Hinduism arguably a European religion oddly spread largely by Asians. Jews retain an ethnic along with a religious identity (race is bullshit, but it is what, a helpful heuristic in the case of Jews). Why not Asians?
But the rage is surely fuelled partly by newcomers, who want to be included among the victims deserving of woke love. Multiculturalism + open borders = a noticeable increase in murderous hatred of Jews. If there are still some KKK types out there, they are few and far between. Are liberals or the woke going to question their policies? Hate their fellow Americans because of an alleged love for Palestinians? Orwell: no ministry is more terrifying than the Ministry of Love.
Erwin is finding out that he's just another Menshevik. Handy for overthrowing the Czar, and then dispensable.
What do you think would happen if a male Jew touched a young Paligal?
I don't think "Coexist" is possible.
Now he can take two sides on another issue. But he didn't deserve this.
If the people of Gaza really are starving (unproven assertion) then the fault lies not with Dean Chemerinsky nor even with the IDF. The fault lies squarely with Hamas. Let her return home to Gaza and get in the face of Hamas leaders.
Clearly the Dean and Co. are at fault here. Don't they know that a lefty/progressive has rights that trump everyone else's? They "mean well" (actually they don't but that is another story). These coddled children have NEVER had to be responsible for anything they have done or said up to and including their behavior while at university. All the while never being subject to actual learning. Of course she thinks her right to be a c*nt outweighs everyone else's rights. She has never been told no.
I think this is what has been known as "chickens coming home to roost".
Yes the Dean and Co. have some responsibility here. The activist should have been asked to leave just once and when they refused, the police called and instructed to charge her with trespassing and she should be permanently expelled from school. Will any of that happen? Not likely.
"This is my home!"/"I had a home in Palestine too."
I had a farm in Africa.
@MadTownGuy
I answered your question in an update to the post.
So as someone non-Jewish and non-Leftist, who is downstream of the influence of such a man’s ideas, what are my options?
1. Nuke it from space
2. Move out and let them devour each other
2. Stay and let them devour each other
3. Support the authority of the office of a man but not the man….work to wrest that institution back from such ideas and people
4. Support the authority of the office and the man if he supports speech and stands against points further Left, further entrenching this cycle, knowing there will be further politicization of the law and personalization of politics even if he stands strong.
If you’re an ‘-Ist’ you’re hip deep in this stuff. It’s high time to acknowledge the limitations and realities of shared ideals and idealism.
how do Palestinian activist feel about squatter philosophy strategy?
Didn't the USA deport Italians and Germans for being over zealous Fascists and Nazis? Is "Death to America" a little over zealous? Start in Dearborn.
The problem is that the Universities and Deans in this country helped create this problem.
They naturally would have been protected in this situation by people like me.
But University professors and Administrators have been attacking and persecuting people like me for decades. We have been driven from academia, the education system, and government bureaucracy by stupid feminist/progressive bullshit on campuses for 2 generations now.
I addition to poisoning the public square of discourse Universities have created a sovereign debt crisis saddling millions of students with debt and making a bunch of old people rich and providing gold plated retirements.
The entire university system is corrupt and needs to be reset.
First, let me say the activist is a real cutie. And I don't really care that she was "Rude" in bringing up the Genocide in Gaza. Do you really think the Zionist libtard Professor is against people being "rude"? Or would be agahst and full of rage if a Trump hating leftist did the same thing to a Conservative Law Professor (assuming you could find one) ?
The Law Student is a leftist. She's behaving like a leftist. The Prof and his wife just don't like it because its about Genocide by Israel. If it was about Genocide by any other country (including the USA) they'd be going "right on. sing it sister". But because its Israel, well..that's different. Its about Jews - so the rules don't apply.
Of course, I think the whole "She was assaulted" or "She was attacked" is rather hysterical. The wife just seems to be restraining the activist and trying to get her to leave. But again, if the roles were different, the Prof and his wife would be screehing to high heavens about how "They were attacked and brutally beaten" or some crazy nonsense. Because that's the way leftists are. Professors included.
Its funny how you have X percent of libtards who are upset at Genocide and are willing to protest and even be rude or go to Jail. Meanwhile, the center-right will stay silent. They wont' even utter a peep even when Israel bombs Christian Churches and kills Palestinian Christians. Israel could literally set up Gas Chambers and start killing the Gazans, and the Rightwing and their Christian Pastors would say nothing.
in Re IQ A study of the IQ in Palestine
It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at Chemerinsky and Fisk's situation.
Clinton had deal giving everything the Palestinians they wanted. They walked. A two state solution was and remains a pipe dream.
"As a matter of constitutional law, this is absolutely clear."
Jew hating Palestinian activists are not interested in constitutional law. And they only use false free speech assertions to spread their hatred for Jews.
Reasonable force to eject a trespasser on your property is not unreasonable, especially if she is belligerent. Bouncers in bars do it all the time.
She's lucky the old lady was being nice to her.
Narayanan said...
how do Palestinian activist feel about squatter philosophy strategy?
THIS! this is THE Serious Question. Are Rules for Me, but Not for Thee? Of COURSE They Are!
Both women know they are performers in a scene that will be scrutinized, and Fisk's pawing at Afaneh does not look good on camera. That makes me feel sorry for Fisk. Afaneh executed her planned part much more effectively. I'm disturbed by knowing that affects people at least as much as the legal arguments Chemerinsky promptly delivered to the press.
Afaneh should be tarred and feathered at a minimum.
The vast majority of people in this country would have cheered when everyone at that gathering threw food at the stupid trespassing shithead until she left. I would have enjoyed emptying the nearest catsup bottle all over those expensive clothes. No need to physically accost. Just humiliation.
But the problem is Fisk and the other professors there spent their lives treating men and people like me like garbage and created this leftist utopia on campus. They created Afaneh and have favored this useless whiny feminist anti-civilization movement for generations.
They deserve what they are getting right now.
Who are the squatters? Humas? or the IDF?
One problem everyone faces today is that pro-Palestinian and pro-Islam and anti-Jewish and anti-Israel activists so very often stab or shoot or bomb those with whom they disagree, without warning, rather than only using their voices to discuss their differences of opinion.
The woman is dressed in a manner that could conceal weapons or a bomb. She is ranting about the need to stop Jews, in a gathering where her hosts are Jews. That is enough reason for those Jews, and everyone else present, to be prepared to use defensive force to stop her protests the moment they even hint at escalation beyond mere words.
The Palestinians should go read about Ghandi and MLK and try nonviolent protests, rather than continue their long history of violence. And they, the Palestinians, should start every pro-Palestinian protest by demanding Hamas surrender or be destroyed.
this being CA I should also add :
how do the Dean feel about activist squatter philosophy strategy?
what kind of eggs did he lay in class that hatched out into students like this?
Had to laugh at this from the article: “I am appalled and deeply disturbed by what occurred at Dean Chemerinsky’s home last night,” ... Christ said in a statement.
Inevitably, all of these conversations and transactions reduce to this: War is Hell. Most countries and cultures recognize that suffering and destruction will inevitably follow. That's why most countries and cultures don't start them.
Well, if the National Lawyers Guild says it’s okay…
Big Mike - boom.
A law student thinks she has a First Amendment right to do this?
That was my reaction too. Berkeley not educating its students very well. Or there could be willful ignorance at play here.
For a different perspective you can find the story other places like Legal Insurrection. Then decide.
Allow me to paraphrase her:
Holy month, Ramadan, attorneys, Ramadan, Muslim, Holy Month
There is a more than zero chance that the only reason this activist is in the school at all is that Chemerinsky violated the law and discriminated against white and asian men, as he vowed to do.
a person who is aggrieved by thousands of people driven from their homes — or killed in their homes — in Gaza.
Okay, but Chemerinsky and Fisk are not the Palestinians' enemy. They probably both would bend over backwards to be lavishly sympathetic to Gaza. The student hates them and disrupted their dinner for one reason only - because they're Jewish. She's not speaking from a place of grievance but rather from Jew-hatred, and it's hard to see her as anything but ghastly.
I'd feel more sympathetic to the pro Hamas protester if she was calling for the release of the hostages. People's homes will continue to be turned back into sand until Hamas keeps receiving support from the elite.
Did you notice the omission from the LA Times story? The reporter describes the poster circulated on campus ‘No dinner with Zionist Chem while Gaza starves,’ but the paper could not bring itself to include the image of the actual poster. It's a very disturbing image.
Mud hens coming home… TO ROOST!
More popcorn please!
There is no "free speech rights" or a "right to exist" on someone else's property. These thuggish activists should be pushed back. Reasonable force is allowed to remove unwanted visitors in California. The "protesters" also used hateful antisemitic speech against Dean C. They are no different than the "Death to America!" chanters in Dearborn this week. We are importing Gaza. Is this the "immigration reform" Biden promised? Is this what America wants from its "International students?"
I hate to see a physical fight. It is violence. Not the worst sort of violence, but the kind of violence you get when 2 individuals decide to stand their ground and it is the same ground
The right to be secure in your own property is fundamental, and this kind of violence is what you get when property rights become second-class rights. The right to the property of your own labor, and everything that flows from that labor, is the fundamental difference between freedom and slavery or tyranny. As soon as property rights are no longer respected, security becomes a matter of might makes right.
People in both Israel and Gaza were securing in their respective homes on 6 October 2023.
I couldn't believe that Fisk laid hands on the rude guest/student. That's a big big no-no!
Sorry but the only reasonable alternatives in such a situation are non-physical. Ask them to leave, remove yourselves, call police, Perhaps ask everyone to leave the back yard, which would deprive the rude one of an audience.
Just don't let her into your house or she might claim that she is a tenant and be impossible to evict.
"The Dean’s wife, a law professor, confronts the activist student by physically accosting her. I understand she was upset with Malak’s rudeness ruining the planned dinner for the 3L Berkeley law students. But the physical confrontation was unnecessary. And unseemly."
I disagree. Fisk only started to push/pull the young woman away after the latter refused to shut up and leave. So while Fisk became "physical," what alternative did she have other than allow this individual to continue to ruin the dinner? Surely a homeowner has the right to physically remove an unwelcome, unruly guest who refuses to leave on her own, so long as no excessive force is used.
Seriously, why do you say it was "unnecessary?"
Build high walls around your property and embed broken glass on the top. At this point, this is required in “Oaktown”.
mikee said:
“The Palestinians should go read about Ghandi and MLK and try nonviolent protests, rather than continue their long history of violence. And they, the Palestinians, should start every pro-Palestinian protest by demanding Hamas surrender or be destroyed.“
You’re teaching them how to persuade.
They’re teaching you how to conquer.
PEFECT example of "the goal is the reaction," which James Lindsey talks about.
Look up BeautifulTrouble.org. It's the update on Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."
It details how the goal is NOT your message or action, but provoking a reaction. (Like sticking children in drag shows to prompt a protest, making it about free speech.)
Here we are, talking about this poor woman's reaction, not the dangerous line we've crossed in allowing political protests at the homes of citizens.
Looks like a first world problem. Compare to China. During the Cultural Revolution, more than 1.5 million teachers were killed. Most of them were beaten to death but some committed suicide after public humiliation. That's much worse.
RCOCEAN II said...
The Law Student is a leftist. She's behaving like a leftist. The Prof and his wife just don't like it because its about Genocide by Israel. If it was about Genocide by any other country (including the USA) they'd be going "right on. sing it sister". But because its Israel, well..that's different. Its about Jews - so the rules don't apply.
4/11/24, 9:10 AM
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There is no “genocide” occurring in Gaza. Asserting so is nothing short of a damnable lie. If the Israelis are attempting to commit genocide than they suck at it since there are more Palestinians than there have ever been. The only genocidal maniacs in Gaza are Hamas and their supporters. Just check the Hamas charter. Elimination (or genocide):of the Jews is part of it.
Every single death and every destroyed or damaged building in Gaza since 10/7 is the fault of the satanic scum of Hamas.
Just like the Nazis in WW2, Hamas needs to be eliminated.
I'm disturbed by the difficulty of hospitality. Fisk and Chemerinsky have opened their private space to students, and look what they get.
I'm "disturbed" (maybe "bemused" is a better word) by the fact that a law school student thought that the First Amendment applies in a private home. But I'm more disturbed by the abuse of hospitality (not the difficulty of it, because it shouldn't be difficult, and wasn't difficult until five minutes ago - there were rules that applied when you vehemently disagreed with your host) that's apparently considered not just permissible but appropriate as long as the abuser perceives her cause as just.
This is where intentionalism falls down, it seems to me. The student intends, by her hospitality abuse, to draw attention to what she perceives as Israeli injustice. We all are expected to interpret her actions through the lens of her intent, rather than by their results and consequences, which include a breakdown in simple civil behavior and in the relationship between teachers and students, as well as the ongoing requirement that we parrot an oppressor/oppressed narrative in Israel that identifies "Palestinians" as the oppressed, regardless of their own actions, continuing support for terrorism, and repeatedly stated and demonstrated hatred of Israel and Jews (in contrast to the efforts of Israel to incorporate "Palestinians" into productive Israeli society).
Marxism, to use a bigger example, is intended to bring about justice through raised consciousness and class struggle, and we're expected to ignore its universally unjust effects and horrific body count.
At some point it seems to me that one has to apply at least a minimum of judgment about things - speech or actions - that have terrible results, and maybe acknowledge the intent but decry the speech or actions anyway. My personal judgment is that Fisk acted correctly in asserting that "my home" is a defensible construct and one that should have been dispositive here, because preservation of that construct doesn't have the terrible effects that destruction of it would.
The amount of force used by the lady homeowner was slight. At worst, you could call it a scuffle. Given the circumstances, it was appropriate.
The rude guest invited the hostess to call the police but the hostess declined. Was this because she fears the police? Was this because she is a gracious hostess? Well, the Oakland Police Dept. has been defunded to the point that 911 calls are going unanswered. She might have been able to file an on-line complaint, however.
Tom T. said... She's not speaking from a place of grievance but rather from Jew-hatred
Yeeeeeeeeup.
RigelDog: "Reasonable" behavior around Islamic protesters is to expect deadly violence from them at any time, based on their history of deadly violence used against civilian soft targets going back decades and decades.
I don’t take issue with Fisk. What is most concerning is a law student about to graduate seemingly having no understanding of the First Amendment.
I have argued before that the theory of settler colonialism underlies much of the campus pro-Palestinian activity. The theory is perfectly clear to that generation whether they agree with it or not and obscure to the rest of us. Understanding it matters because it justifies violence in the name of de-colonization against Israeli civilians and American civilians. Israel is regarded as a small example of what America actually is, a lens through which one sees what colonialism really is and how colonialism is the underlying reality in the United States. The ultimate goal of "pro-Palestinian" decolonization protestors is the destruction of the US as nation state by returning the land rights to the tribes here before the US. Then we would somehow negotiate with them for rights to what is on that land. The result would resemble feudalism where the King owned all the land and gave certain rights to individuals to use that land certain ways and the rights could be revoked at the whim of the King.
This video seems to me to show the two theories clashing and you can see how obscure the theory is to the law professor. He keeps saying, "You are my guests, leave" i.e., "I own this property." And the protestor at one point says, "it is my house," meaning, I argue: "I am decolonizing so this land is my land in that I understand it belongs to the indigenous people, not you and I am trying to return it to them by a decolonizing act." The legal theory of freehold ownership does not apply in Turtle Island where she conceives herself to be. Students for Justice in Palestine has a decolonial ideology at present.
An example of decolonizing theory is "Because its power remains naturalized: introducing the settler colonial determinants of health" by Bram Wispelwey. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37533522/
The money quotes are these:
"a settler colonial frontier, that of Palestine/Israel …. representing a more “unconcealed structure of domination” …. than those currently present in Canada, the US, Australia, and New Zealand. … Today, one need only consider the commonness of terms like “Israeli settler” or “West Bank settlements” and to see their ongoing state-sponsored encroachments to grasp what is meant by a settler colonial present. This hyper-visible Palestine case thus provides a unique temporal lens for understanding settler colonial health determinants more broadly, including those in the above-mentioned Anglo-settler contexts."
and
"decolonization demands the repatriation of Indigenous lands and life … [This] entails much more than acknowledgment, recognition, and restitution … [It] entails the development of a political community that … removes the nation as the locus of political identification … How precisely this process might intersect with and elevate Indigenous sovereignty is not yet fully clear...
You're welcome.
"It is a very disturbing video."
I'm going to Martha's home to conduct a Trump fundraiser on her front lawn.
It's my First Amendment right.
These protesters are ignorant and delusional. Chemerinsky and Fisk are likely appeasers and secular Jewish progressives.
"Palestinians" are raised to believe that Jews are "apes and pigs". Thus, the monstrous events of October 7th were not perpetrated on people. The ignoramuses who support Palestinian Hamas have adopted and support this view whether wittingly or unwittingly and are accomplices.
The American diaspora must understand that the crocodile is here and it will not eat them last. This event may help get the message across. They also must understand that the ignoramuses are not Republicans, conservatives or MAGAs.
The rest of us must understand that the sanctity of our homes is no longer dependent upon the government, but on the forbearance of assholes.
I'll post what I posted on X. harsh but there it is.
"Never Forget the Bataclan.
Shoot her. Shoot trespassers. Shoot them all.
because, Ultimately, these foolish women will laugh, dance and film once "we", the infidels, are all tortured to death."
and later, in response to waltermellonn, who said:
"Just insufferable. Entitled narcissists"
(I said:)
much worse than that.
Islamists believe ALL must believe or die. All other faiths have reformed from such madness.
they must be treated in the same way as we treated Hitler's Germany & the Emporer's Japan: insanity that must be stopped.
Remember the Bataclan, and act accordingly
@Tom T
Thanks, Tom Turkey. I laughed a lot.
You get what you recruit for. My old law school has gone to hell in a handbasket under Dean Chemerinsky and is now Berkeley Law. The protester styles herself as an immigrant, low income, first gen college student and "survivor". Survivor of what?
Only a poltroon would act in this fashion in a private home--to which she was (mistakenly) invited.
What's next, a visit in your shower? After the dinner table, then what? Property is theft, and your shower is property.
Hope is misplaced, if you have any. This leads to another atrocity eventually, probably sooner than eventually. The only question being, of whom? When? Where?
We'll know when we see it. I suspect there is a near infinity of forces at work we are completely unaware of. Maybe President Biden has a plan to save us from it.
That's the ticket. Feel better? Change Biden to Trump. Feel any better now?
I guess that depends on a lot of things we haven't seen yet. Stay alert.
"From the River to the Sea" is so deeply engrained in the Palestinian population that a 2-state solution is impossible. Thomas Friedman should wake up to reality.
Prof. Althouse's reference to the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have lost their homes is a complete non sequitur. Millions of people have lost their homes to warfare in the past century. Does that mean that anyone who is complaining about that can invade anyone else's home? If I come to Prof. Althouse's home to protest about my mother-in-law losing her home (in Denmark) to the Nazis, or my office neighbor's grandparents losing their home (in Silesia) to the Russians, who gave it to the Poles, will she not call the police? Would it have been okay to invade the homes of Roosevelt's aides in 1940, on the grounds that they weren't doing enough to stop the Nazis from stealing our homes? What about invading the homes of Stalinist professors to protest any of a million things (of which my neighbor's home in Silesia is the least of it)?
I just needed to make the appropriate Althouse quote here, "Let's talk about these breasts" (Referencing the complaint the protesters sent to the administration, claiming that Fisk inappropriately touched the student's breasts).
Fighting between the various warring factions in the middle east has now arrived on our shores. What could go wrong.
I am disturbed by Ms. Althouse's use of the word "but". There is no "but" here. The "buts" and "what abouts" from the American left have led to one thing---endless butchery. Now, the " but what about" crowd (Obama/Biden administrations) have appeased the source of the inevitable conflict, Iran, and led us to the doorstep of a nuclear exchange in the Middle East. If not this, then at the very least, Biden's declining support for Israel invites a blood bath which will inevitably drag us in at a time which would make only the Chinese happy.
from Reason article ...
... The student says that the National Lawyers Guild informed her she has a First Amendment right to speak at Chemerinsky's home
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asking National Lawyers Guild : what is the meaning of 'at'
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
The host couple should have been prepared for this aggression on the part of the protestor.
I read that Prof Chem said that he will continue to host dinners, but with security present.
It's hilarious that the homeowner/lawyer felt it appropriate to recite the legal basis for his actions ("I pay the mortgage...").
As if. How many division has he?
The basic social contract supposes that the government will protect us. Looting, punching women on streets, terrorizing passengers on public transportation, blocking traffic, picketing Justices' homes, occupying universities, invading and squatting in private homes, etc.
Is anybody really delusional enough to believe that the various governments intend to, or are capable of, keeping their end of the deal?
Erwin & Wife will be voting for Trump now.
These students are really hampering their ability to get hired. If I'm a partner at a law firm that isn't Pro Hamas, do I really want this from my junior associates?
Has anyone checked to see whether rude girl's "I had a home in Palestine" is true or not? Is she in fact Palestinian, not (e.g.) Lebanese or Jordanian? Where exactly was she born? The fact that she didn't say "I had a home in Gaza" clearly implies that any home she may have had in the region was not in the Gaza strip and therefore has not been destroyed in Israel's post-10/7 offensive. Was she born in the US? Lebanon? (I had a Palestinian student years ago who was.) The West Bank? There are other possibilities: it would be hilarious if she's actually an Israeli Arab, born in Israel, and has voted there. Have any of the 'professional' journalists covering this story thought to check? If they have, did they decide not to do so, for fear of what they might find?
The activist should have been asked to leave just once and when they refused, the police called and instructed to charge her with trespassing and she should be permanently expelled from school.
Yep.
This was the first night (Tuesday) of a 3-night event at the Chemerinsky’s. He hired security for Wednesday and tonight. This event for 3L students is to make up for the freshman class of 2020 missing out because of COVID on his traditional 1L dinners.
At the point where the person with the hijab breaks out the microphone and begins speaking, each one of the other 3L students should have stood up and politely walked out. You’re going to practice law? In the real world? Think for yourself. Stand up and think on your feet. You’re under no obligation to be there or stay there and be made a pawn in someone else’s demonstration. Walk away. Problem solved.
Erwin & Wife will be voting for Trump now.
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wondering who taught CA SecState Weber got school?
But Weber wasn't perusaded. She told Kounalakis in a reply that, as California’s chief election officer, she is a steward of “free and fair elections and the democratic process” and must place the “sanctity of these elections above partisan politics.”
Like Trump said, this is all due to Netanyahu mismanagement.
You say humans are territorial at a law school dinner. No! I say humans are territorial when someone invades their home. Big difference. Every human has a right and duty to protect their home above all else. Many states, as you know, have a "castle doctrine" where you have the right to use lethal violence if someone invades your home. I believe that is perfectly understandable.
I would never kill someone for coming into my home uninvited if I could possibly avoid it. I'd give them every chance to leave but if they appeared ready to attack I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them. I keep a weapon in my home and I practice with it regularly and I have a CCW permit from the local sheriff.
It would seem that Dean Chemerinsky needs to hire a new Con Law professor at Boalt. The present professor obviously is doing a poor job at teaching.
Sadly, I must confess I am a graduate of Boalt.
I have always found Chemerinsky's First Amendment views disturbing. He takes the stand that the First Amendment constrains state schools to allow all protest that is not actually illegal. Note the protest-maximalist nature in which he pleads his case. He pays his own mortgage. If the next law school Dean needs the school's assistance, will that make his home a venue constrained to allow protest and disruption for that reason? Does the protesting student (and her supporters at the event) think students have the right to disrupt the event, because, as a Dean/Student event at a state school, they can claim First Amendment rights to spoil the punchbowl? Isn't it Chem the Zionist who leads the way in this thinking?
That's my Karmann Ghia.
I had a Karmann Ghia in Palestine.
Just more Cal being Cal.
By WWF standards that's not so violent. The still photographer, however, was able to capture an image of the protester looking angelic and the homeowner looking riled. Could the homeowner use bear spray or get up close to the protester's ear and blow a rape whistle? Maybe some super foul smelling substance that the homeowner could discreetly pour on or around the protester. There's a need for a non-violent way to rid one's property of non-violent protesters.....Beyond freedom of speech, there's also the right to freely practice one's religion. Islamic scholars believe that Muslims have the right to rape and murder occupiers of Islamic lands. I think they disapprove of torture while in the process of raping and murdering but there are differing opinions. Anyway, those who think that a pretty girl with a bullhorn is the culmination rather than the opening act of an Islamic protest are mistaken.
@Keven,
“I had a farm in Africa.”
I touched the rains there.
Meade said...
At the point where the person with the hijab breaks out the microphone and begins speaking, each one of the other 3L students should have stood up and politely walked out. You’re going to practice law? In the real world? Think for yourself. Stand up and think on your feet. You’re under no obligation to be there or stay there and be made a pawn in someone else’s demonstration. Walk away. Problem solved.
This was a private event at someone else's residence.
The people at the private event were under no obligation to leave and ruin their event because of some ridiculous shit stirring asshole. Miss Chattel Jihadi property can go out to the street or anywhere else on public property.
There should have been nothing polite about ejecting this person in the most publicly humiliating way possible.
Maybe if her 'people' weren't 7th-century savages they'd be able to defend her 'home' in the Middle East against a modern state.
...each one of the other 3L students should have stood up and politely walked out.
I take your point, but on the other hand, this must have been great entertainment.
"'This is my home!' is a devastatingly powerful argument, but she is asserting it against a person who is aggrieved by thousands of people driven from their homes — or killed in their homes — in Gaza."
October 7th was the inevitable result of the appeasement attempt that placed Gaza into the hands of the soi-disant Palestinians, an identity invented by the managers of the postwar British Mandate over the former territories of the defunct Ottoman empire which they shared with the French who divided their Mandate into Syria and Lebanon, names they appropriated from Biblical traditions and Roman history, as a means to segregate the various ethnoreligious factions, the Alawites, the Sunnis, the Shi'ites, the Druze, the Christians, the Ismailis, and a few dozen even more obscure Bedouin tribes and clans who when not firmly repressed by the Turks had spent inordinate attention to slaughtering each other.
By relinquishing control of Gaza Yitzhak Rabin committed the fundamental disaster of the lamb that tries to appease the wolf with anything less than its succulent flesh. The only solution is a new diaspora. Let the Palestinians spend the next 2000 years as barely tolerated guests in lands not their own and perhaps they'll learn to be a new people of the arts and sciences rather than genocidal murder, rape, and torture.
I've seen conflicting information but it seems to me more likely than not the protestor was a student who had been invited to the event. I don't think it's accurate to infer that she wasn't. I don't know that it changes the analysis much since doors do work both ways.
Jews are indigenous to the Palestinian territory, the Palestine mandate, too. So are a number of other groups. Fatah, Hamas et al lost their homes when they tried and failed to push the Jews into the sea in recurring Jewish Springs.
Trump said no such thing, Howard. Troll harder.
I had a Karmann Ghia in Palestine.
I had a Karmann Ghia in California. Now I have a Cadillac in Florida.
Althouse:
2. I empathize with the affluent, well-positioned woman who passionately believes "This is my home!" is a devastatingly powerful argument, but she is asserting it against a person who is aggrieved by thousands of people driven from their homes — or killed in their homes — in Gaza.
That bolded part is Hamas propo. Left out is that they supported the initial slaughter, handed out the weapons, cheered on the videos of the atrocities and hid the perps afterward. Just like the people in Dresden did.
Support that and deal with the consequences. Just like the people of Dresden had to.
One's unadulterated bullshit assertion doesn't give one the right to attack and bring harassment to someone else's home.
Martha said...
It is a very disturbing video. The Dean’s wife, a law professor, confronts the activist student by physically accosting her. I understand she was upset with Malak’s rudeness ruining the planned dinner for the 3L Berkeley law students. But the physical confrontation was unnecessary. And unseemly.
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What bullshit.
In what universe do I have to tolerate a hostile person in my own home? That bitch is lucky she still has a working set of teeth.
"Unseemly", your droopy and wrinkled ass.
Meade:
You’re under no obligation to be there or stay there and be made a pawn in someone else’s demonstration. Walk away. Problem solved.
No obligation to be or stay on your own property? In other words, surrender.
No. I'm under no obligation to put up with someone's demonstration on my property. Especially if their plaint concerns events SIX THOUSAND MILES AWAY.
I'm far more inclined to make their demonstration *my* demonstration and make my problem *their* problem. And (at least here) the law is on my side to do so.
The Jews reclaimed their homeland after hundreds of years of exile. I suppose it's reasonable for the Palestinians to use that as their model for reclaiming their lands. Can the millions of Germans and their descendants who had to flee their homes in Central and Eastern Europe also use this as a model?.....I think the Palestinians would be better served if they used the Germans rather than the Jews as their model. The Germans felt that they had been unfairly treated after their defeat in WWI. They waged WWII to right that wrong and the results were far more catastrophic than their defeat in WWI.
Althouse to say its "Thousands" minimizes what Israel is doing. Its hundreds of thousands. And now that the Gazans have fled south, the IDF is gearing up to attack them there. I read in the NYT's almost 1/2 of Gaza has been destroyed. Apartment buildings, churches, mosques, hospitals.
Re-reading this law professors statement a 2nd time makes me dislike him even more. "Oh, its antisemitism" We're victims". No Dean, you're NOT a victim. the 33000 dead Gazans are victims. Those who have lost their houses in Palestine are victims. You're just an overpaid Leftist Law professor who thinks Jews should be treated in a special manner. One rule for us, another rule for everyone else.
And just to restate, since people don't seem to get it, This student was invited to their backyard dinner and she was rude. She didnt storm in and tresspass.
She doesn't like her home 'stolen'?
Take it back.
Same with the Sioux, Crow, Apache, etc.
Take it back.
You all lost to a much smarter, modern technological society.
Accept it or fight.
Following up on my 10:59am comment, here's what I found in a story on Malek Afaneh before she went to Berkeley (link):
"My grandma and her family were Palestinian refugees who escaped to Jordan during the war of 1967. Later, my grandma got married and had a new life in Jordan. It was too dangerous for her to go back to Palestine, where she wouldn't be financially stable or safe. The whole family was denied access to the Palestinian borders, like many other refugees. So all my family lives in Jordan and my mom was born there along with my aunts. We're very proud of our culture.
"I was born in Germany when my mom was doing some work there. We decided to come over here when I was two. My grandma and my mom are big sources of inspiration for me. My mom raised me in this country when she was 25. And she came here with nothing on her back and only basic English. Now she has a PhD and she's a professor. She's taught me that anything is possible if I work hard."
So, no, she never had a home in Gaza or any part of "Palestine", occupied or not, and has no more claim to such than I have a claim to a home in Scotland (Edinburgh) because my grandparents emigrated from there in 1923. (My father was born five years later, and lived there himself as a child, when they went back for a few years to escape the Great Depression.) And her family wasn't forced out in 1948, but apparently lived in the West Bank until their fellow Arabs started the Six-Day War in 1967.
I also note there's no mention of any father figure. Perhaps she'd be better behaved if she'd had one. Nor does she say whether her grandmother married a Jordanian or a fellow Palestinian - not that there's a huge difference between the two. I wonder how her protest would have gone over if she'd stayed in Germany and tried it on a German law-school dean at his home.
Murder, rape, and torture in the pursuit of social justice are no ethical vice.
I think the house belongs to the university and the dean gets to live there. Does that make a difference?
I would say probably not but don't know if the university or CA law have anything to say about this.
John HEnry
Tom T. said...
...each one of the other 3L students should have stood up and politely walked out.
I take your point, but on the other hand, this must have been great entertainment.
Maybe. Though not nearly as entertaining as some of the comments here this morning. 😂
I think this is her.
https://borderlessmag.org/2017/02/28/malak-afaneh/
If so, she is only a "Palestinan refugee" by stretching the meaning to the snapping point. Her grandparents were "Palestinian refugees" who escaped to Jordan during the '67 war.
Her mother was born in Jordan, she was born in Germany in 2000 when her mother was working there. They came to the US (Legally?) in about 2002.
No father/sperm donor is mentioned.
This might help explain her.
"My mom raised me in this country when she was 25. And she came here with nothing on her back and only basic English. Now she has a PhD and she’s a professor."
Kudos to her for working hard and getting a PhD. That's the kind of immigrants we need. OTOH, shes a professor so probably influential on the kid's political views.
John Henry
I see the good Dr Weevil beat me to it.
GMTA
John Henry
I was recently reading " The Mandelbaum Gate" by Muriel Spark which I highly recommend. The book published in 1965 but set during the Eichmann trial a few years earlier describes the border between Jordan and Palestine prior to the 6 Day War. In the book a brother and sister joke about how they owned orange groves in Palestine before their displacement. I believe this lady's farm in Palestine is similarly illusory.
I see Ms Fisk in similar position to Israel. She can surrender or she can fight. She can't expect any third party to help her. The other students who stood by should be ashamed of themselves.
I've been working my through Exodus again. If you all remember the story, Joseph went to Egypt, got a good gig and all the brothers, cousins and other shirttail relatives showed up. As they do.(I paraphrase)
4 centuries (400 years) later the Israelite decided to leave Egypt and go back to Israel.
In the meantime, a bunch of other tribes figured, "Hey, the Israelis don't want this land? Looks nice and finders keepers." (Again with the paraphrase)
So before the Israelis can go back, their God has to get rid of the Perizzites, Hittites and others. And by "get rid of" I mean he gave the israelies permission to kill them all, men, women, children "down to the last dog"
This whole brouhaha has been going on for 4-5,000 years now. It is hard to see how it will ever be solved. President Donald Trump made one hell of a lot of progress but much of it seems to have been lost when he was cheated out of his 2nd term.
It is another reason we need to re-elect him this november.
As for the Israelis, they need to destroy Hamas. I don't see how there can be any negotiation. They've been offered the chance and turned it down. Because Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population, destroying Hamas is going to be ugly with lots of civilian casualties.
I think Israel needs to just take the PR hit and go in and destroy Hamas ASAP. Minimize collateral damage but accept it as the price for destroying Hamas.
John Henry
I was recently reading " The Mandelbaum Gate" by Muriel Spark which I highly recommend. The book published in 1965 but set during the Eichmann trial a few years earlier describes the border between Jordan and Palestine prior to the 6 Day War. In the book a brother and sister joke about how they owned orange groves in Palestine before their displacement. I believe this lady's farm in Palestine is similarly illusory.
I see Ms Fisk in similar position to Israel. She can surrender or she can fight. She can't expect any third party to help her. The other students who stood by should be ashamed of themselves.
RCOCEAN II said:
" No Dean, you're NOT a victim. the 33000 dead Gazans are victims. Those who have lost their houses in Palestine are victims. You're just an overpaid Leftist Law professor who thinks Jews should be treated in a special manner."
The 33,000 dead (assuming Hamas isn't lying about it, the way they lie about most things) are victims of Hamas, who started this war. The quickest way for the killing to end is for Hamas to surrender. I assume that position has your fullest support... .
Chemerinsky is a leftist law prof, but that doesn't mean he, his wife and the other attendees have to tolerate a rude, hateful guest. Being invited doesn't give the protester the right to be an a-hole and the Chemerinskys have every right to tell her to leave. Nothing to do with being Jewish.
Thanks to Dr Weevil for doing the work that "journalists" decline to do.
Ms. Afaneh is a liar. She never had a home in Palestine, however defined.
Does Chem have any influence on Israeli policy? Is he an adviser to Bibi? Does he manufacture arms for the IDF?
No.
I'm sure she does understand what Chem and Bibi have in common.
Like so many of her fellow leftists, she is a common, lying Jew-hater.
Even worse, she has no manners.
...each one of the other 3L students should have stood up and politely walked out.
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would that show support for whom?
leave the host couple to fend with thier harangue-lovechile-student-activist-invitee ?
Hamas was Bibi cat'spaw for his politics - my sympathies conflict
National Lawyers Guild is a communist outfit, but of course.
And by "get rid of" I mean he gave the israelies permission to kill them all, men, women, children "down to the last dog"
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QED : Old Testament sanctioned [= divine approved, permitted] genocide; so recited also in alQuran
sanction = an interesting word to mean effectively permit and also condemn?!
any other such confusing words in english?
WHy should sticking up for the Palestinians be "Hateful" toward a leftist professor? I guess it says something about Israel and its supporters that either you agree with them on everything Israel does and go along with Genocide or you're "full of hate".
Sorry, no dice. Mr. Lefty Professor doesn't get to control who people can support at his dinner party. He can ask them to leave if he doesn't like their behavior. And he can call the police if the rude guest refuses to leave.
Once again, the Zionists not only want to support Genocide, they want to censor and attack anyone who objects to killing 33000 innocent women and Children. Because...israel. I think that's pretty sick, but 'muricans are stupid and it works.
The truly disgusting frauds are the so-called "Christians" who support this slaughter. Not only of muslims but of Christians (!)
WHy should sticking up for the Palestinians be "Hateful" toward a leftist professor? I guess it says something about Israel and its supporters that either you agree with them on everything Israel does and go along with Genocide or you're "full of hate".
Sorry, no dice. Mr. Lefty Professor doesn't get to control who people can support at his dinner party. He can ask them to leave if he doesn't like their behavior. And he can call the police if the rude guest refuses to leave.
Once again, the Zionists not only want to support Genocide, they want to censor and attack anyone who objects to killing 33000 innocent women and Children. Because...israel. I think that's pretty sick, but 'muricans are stupid and it works.
The truly disgusting frauds are the so-called "Christians" who support this slaughter. Not only of muslims but of Christians (!)
Fisk and Chemerinsky have opened their private space to students, and this is what happens. .
This is a crucial part of why I have no sympathy. Once again (and this is something activists fail to grasp) is that they are hijacking an event to make noise about something they Care Passionately About. "We came here to enjoy getting together with classmates and two of our teachers". Activists want to make the event about something else. And climate change activists hijacked Mass on Easter Sunday. That's a real jerk move. And earns zero sympathy for their Cause. That is also something event hijackers fail to grasp.
A weak defense is the protest has something to do with how the university invests funds. So it's not completely unrelated. Maybe 99.98% unrelated. As Fisk said, "We don't control that".
Is there any evidence this student personally lost her home in Gaza? I don't see it in the Los Angeles Times article. Two possibilities:
(1) She didn't. (After all she's a third year Law student.) What she means is fellow Gazans? Arabs? Muslims? have lost some homes. So "I" means "the group with which I identify". Yes that stinks. Although we must never forget what started this.
(2) She did. When exactly? And again what was the cause? "Palestinians" sometimes speak of the Nakba, the Calamity. I did some digging. How and why did that calamity occur? How people think and speak of this calamity depends on which side one sympathizes with. "We tried to destroy Israel as soon as it was born and we lost".
so a law student doesn't understand the law?
Who screens these students? Was she admitted by quota or on merit?
and by the way: Who is paying her tuition? Who got her a visa? Is it a student Visa or a green card or citizen in the USA?
And here's RCOCEAN II - as if one rcocean weren't more than enough - repeating the lies of Hamas propaganda. How many combatants has Israel killed? They say 15,000+. Hamas says 0 because pretends that armed men actively trying to kill Israelis are 'civilians' since they don't wear uniforms. They are in fact illegal combatants. It is not a war crime for a soldier to kill illegal combatants, even if they are not wearing uniforms, or are women, or are under 18. On the other hand, trying to kill Israeli soldiers while not wearing a uniform is in fact a war crime, and recruiting under-18s to kill is another war crime. (Recruiting women is not.) Will RCOCEAN II acknowledge this? All signs point to no.
Rick67 (5:00pm):
"Is there any evidence this student personally lost her home in Gaza?"
There is strong evidence she didn't. See my 1:15pm comment, following up on my 10:59am comment asking the same question.
There is a joke in here about a Palestinian thinking she is entitled to trespass on land owned by a Jewish person because she is Palestinian…even on a different continent. It’s a sad joke, but a joke nonetheless.
RCOCEAN II:
"Why should sticking up for the Palestinians be "Hateful" toward a leftist professor? I guess it says something about Israel and its supporters that either you agree with them on everything Israel does and go along with Genocide or you're "full of hate".
How about the part where where this adult infant hijacks a non-political event for her political purposes? Sounds rude to me. Not to mention that in general rhetoric from the supporters of Hamas is in general is hateful (she was just interrupted before she got to it). She was asked to leave, and refused to. She has no 1st amendment right to disrupt an event on private property (which Chemerinsky's is, not public property). Also, the Palestinians for 70+ years have demonstrated their hatred via bombings, shootings and other kinds of attacks against Israeli civilians (all war crimes BTW) so I think full of hate is a fair description.
"Once again, the Zionists not only want to support Genocide, they want to censor and attack anyone who objects to killing 33000 innocent women and Children. Because...israel. I think that's pretty sick, but 'muricans are stupid and it works."
First, not a genocide. For your education I'll provide you with a short list of actual genocides:
1. Stalin attempted genocide against Ukraine (minimum 4 million dead via starvation).
2 Turkish government against the Armenians (about 1.2 million dead).
3. And of course Hitler's genocide of the Jews of Europe.
If the Israelis were committing genocide, attempting to warn civilians prior to attacks seems to be the wrong way to do it and allowing aid to come into Gaza also seems like the wrong way to do it. Destroying Hamas, by the way, is called a "valid military objective", not genocide. You want to end the death? Urge Hamas to surrender.
Second, nobody is being censored. Dissenting from the Hamas narrative is not censorship. I'm sure you can find a dictionary to look up the difference. I don't have to agree with everything Israel says to find fault with the Palesinians (represented by Hamas).
Third, nobody (except Hamas) wants mass deaths of civilians. If Hamas actually cared about their own people, they would not have invaded Israel on 10/7. Funny how Palestinian apologists tend not examine their own positions (too busy memorizing talking points, I guess).
Joe Smith said...
"She doesn't like her home 'stolen'?
Take it back.
Same with the Sioux, Crow, Apache, etc."
What people don't seem to want to accept is that N. America pre 1492 was a war zone. Nearly every culture was based on war with their neighbors. They enslaved their neighbors. And for fun they tortured their neighbors. Not a whole lot different from what the Palestinians are doing.
You know, the dean should have pre-empted the disruptor by having his own sound system set up and haranging the 3Ls about antisemitism throughout dinner. Then his wife could add her two cents' worth about the oppression of women in Islam and the troubles of the black folks. All in all, it could have been a festive event with the two professors giving the kiddies a taste of the tedium that endless grievance mongering entails. Instead, the field was left to the ultimate bore of our times, a phony "Palestinian" trying to claim virtue in the slaughter of Israelis.
Dr Weevil said: take a look at my comments above.
Thanks. That makes it very clear.
If you're going to be emotional, rather than rational, at least try to be accurate.
listen to her words. See her emotiveless brainwashing. Hear her repetitive ranting. Look at her eyes. Note her relentlessnes. Witnesss her hysterical rage.
What do you see? I think you're the most naive, or cynical person I've ever read.
You're an horrific elitist. You believe universities and teachers and students are such special people that the laws that apply to us don't apply to you. You state this over and over and over again.
You aten't special. You aren't excludede from laws.
I pity you and think a lot of other people here do so too because you're charming. But under that veneer is an ugliness, a hard hatred, a contempt for the very people who make you your money through our tax dollars and your little Amazon racket.
Mostly, it's a shame. You're far better than this.
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