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"Sharing a City Apartment With a Big Dog? Good Luck.
First, you’ll have to convince someone to rent to you" (NYT):
Natalya Haddix, 24, a marketing consultant, is one of many pet owners who have skirted housing restrictions by declaring their dog an emotional support animal. This has allowed her to share her 688-square-foot, one-bedroom apartment in Miami with a Great Dane puppy named Cair....
Ren and Zach Glass sidestepped disaster when they won a housing lottery in 2016 for a small two-bedroom apartment in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, only to discover that the building did not accept dogs. They registered their shepherd-collie-pit bull mix, Trolley, as an emotional support animal.... After Trolley died, a little more than a year ago, they adopted Cosmo, a 50-pound pit bull mix....
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Them's the rules.
Don't like it? Change them.
Scott Adams had a blurb just today about a huge percentage of white applicants to college checking the Native American box a la Lizzie Warren.
He says you'd be a moron if you didn't...
"The form of lying and cheating that some people openly acknowledge, under their full name, in The New York Times."
What difference, at this point in the Biden era, does it make? Integrity is for suckers.
Such is the nature of the social contract in America 2023. "I will abide by the laws and rules of society unless I don't want to."
Diversity (e.g. specieism) and discrimination.
I AirBnB a house and have had one guest pull that "emotional support" animal BS with me, too.
She had a nice letter supposedly from a psychiatrist stating that the dog was her "emotional support" animal. It was obviously just a pet, behaving like any pet would when I met it upon her arrival, with its unannounced presence. It neither responded to her verbal commands nor kept the owner the focus of its attention. It was a cute little dog.
I understand that the actual support animal law only covers animals rigorously trained and certified to perform necessary functions for owners, such as alerting before seizures or guiding blind owners. She became nervous when I explained that my daughter helped train support animals and that I knew all about them. And the law. Because it was a purse-sized minidog, I let her stay with it. No problems arose from the stay.
That said, "emotional support" is not a valid category of certified support animal under federal law. All pets are emotional support animals. And no pets are legally protected support animals.
The whole "support animal" thing has become nothing but a blatant fraud. Everyone knows it is bullshit, but we aren't allowed to say anything. As someone who hosts multiple vacation rentals (I will not even mention the name of one of the services I use out of a well grounded fear), I absolutely hate the dishonesty of it all. I fucking accept pets at my properties, and still they lie to avoid the fee. Wholesale institutionalized dishonesty exists in so many parts of our society, and it is corrosive and depressing.
If you think the whole concept of emotional support animals is a scam to begin with. . .
Are you for or against traffic cameras at intersections to catch speeders?
Did anyone care when people kept three month old wadded up masks in their car to put on when required by the rules of covidiocy?
NYT: Lying and cheating under the guise of victimhood is no vice!
Filthy swine. All three of them.
The daughter in law had a legit trained seeing-eye dog. Big ol lab. Didn't make a peep, just lay around all day.
That, I don't mind.
How are they lying? I have no doubt they get emotional support from their dogs. What other standard for an “emotional support” animal could there be?
it's Important to Remember;
that it is ALWAYS okay for people that vote the way You Do, to lie and cheat.
Rules are like Laws, They AREN'T for people that read the NYT's; Rules and Laws are for NY Post readers
I'm STILL trying to figure out, what Sen Menendez did that got him into trouble?
It COULDN'T have been the bribes or the corruption.. He's a Democrat... WHAT did he DO?
Natalya's Great Dane has its own Instagram page.
Handsome animal, but it's the size of a small horse and growing.
Emotional Pit bull....
"Are you for or against traffic cameras at intersections to catch speeders?"
Not sure how this relates.
Anyway, cameras at intersections are there to catch people running lights, not speeding.
I am against light cameras and speed cameras.
You know what, let's get the gang-banger shoplifters, fentanyl dealers and subway-shovers into New York jails - turn off the cameras Epstein style ... and give them extra sheets.
Then, when the streets of New York are all washed away of this scum, let's go after Debbie Support Poodle.
"I AirBnB a house and have had one guest pull that "emotional support" animal BS with me, too."
Scam or not, AirBnB will side with the guest on this every time.
"The whole 'support animal' thing has become nothing but a blatant fraud. Everyone knows it is bullshit, but we aren't allowed to say anything."
Agreed. Like a lotta things in life, such as America is systemically racist while 000s upon 000s flock to come here.
The point of Progressivism is to be uber-virtuous in an area without personal cost to justify being without virtue in an area where it would be prohibitive.
Just like the “medical need” cards for pot buying. I heard an ad for it during a baseball game.
“ Wholesale institutionalized dishonesty exists in so many parts of our society, and it is corrosive and depressing.”
Yup.
I think it's cruel to keep a big dog in a small apartment.
I'm guessing they feel immune. If the landlord insisted on following the rules the full weight of the NYT would come down upon their head.
You need emotional support from a pitbull? Sorry, I need to rent to an emotionally stable person, or a least someone whose dog won't kill me if I have to collect the rent or fix the plumbing.
It's simply cruel to raise a big dog in a small place. That such people also lie and cheat is no surprise.
Agree with Old and Slow.
Sometimes lies are OK when they protect the recipient of the lie. Sometimes we lie when we believe that the recipient of the lie is not worthy of the truth. And sometimes people lie when they think they can get away with it. A lot of that last one going around.
50 shades of progressive congruence (PC)... what did they expect?
I see a lot of people at the end of life who want to have their animals with them in the room or even in the bed. Our animals are our emotional support. There is something unnatural and unhealthy about a living arrangement that prevents them from being with us.
And other lies that they will swear are the Stork-given truth.
"Sorry, I need to rent to an emotionally stable person"
I don't think there are any emotionally stable people anymore. Everyone got some sort of problem.
A Great Dane puppy in a 688 sq. ft. apartment? That could be the most abused animal in New York City.
If we have open borders, and some people would argue we don’t, and that’s their 1st amen right, under what legal framework should I be compelled to abide by any law I’m not comfortable with?
#aucontraire
"I don't think there are any emotionally stable people anymore>"
I'm all verklempft.
I need my emotional support T. Rex.
"I don't think there are any emotionally stable people anymore."
No shit. I sometimes read the "AITA" posts on Facebook for their amusement value. Today, I read this, on the topic of choosing baby names for a girl:
"The husband is set on the name 'Juliet,' however, his wife insists on a gender-neutral name, thinking ahead to the possibility that their child might one day choose to transition."
Planning for the possibility your child might choose to sterilize herself? I guess that's easier than actually parenting. You know- what people have done since... well, forever.
How sick *is* our society? (Rhetorical question, no answer expected.)
Too many laws telling people what they have to do with their own property, and what they can't do with their own property. A proper court would find that a compensable taking has occurred.
These people are a subset of PCBDs - People Controlled By Dogs. Their lives center around their dogs. I know a number of these people afflicted to the extent that they cannot leave home and travel unless the dog goes with them, because they do not trust - or cannot afford - kennels.
Not surprised that the Althouse Know Nothing crowd is coming out in favor of landlords and against dogs.
Just another way the elite steal. Here the elite are stealing from the disabled.
Joe Smith said...
"Them's the rules."
Actually in NYC these are the rules:
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/materials/EmotionalSupportAnimals_Housing_FactSheet.pdf
Unlike the inference set forth by Althouse and many of the comments here, a tenant in New York City cannot create an exception to a no pets clause in a lease, by simply declaring their pet an emotional support animal. The law in New York requires that tenants, making such a claim, must support it by significant evidence, including documentation from a doctor or other therapist. Moreover, the landlord has the right to request significant details regarding such a claim.
Althouse's claim that compliance with these legal requirements by tenants is somehow a form of "lying and cheating" is just misleading and erronious.
Buckwheathikes said...
"Then, when the streets of New York are all washed away of this scum, "
Travis Bickel posting under an assumed name. Talk about someone in need of emotional support.
gilbar said...
I'm STILL trying to figure out, what Sen Menendez did that got him into trouble?
I will freely solve your conundrum: HE.BROKE.THE.LAW.AGAIN.AND.AGAIN.YEAR.AFTER.YEAR.
Gifts in the form of American-made halal meats are unnecessary.
"AirBnB a house and have had one guest pull that "emotional support" animal BS with me, too."
Mikee--you could have told them that the renting of the place without a hotel license or permit was in violation of whatever local ordinance it (presumably) is in violation of, so I'm not really allowed to rent my house to you with your not really "emotional support animal," so let's call the whole thing off.
"including documentation from a doctor or other therapist."
Hey, Mutaman--This is the lying and cheating that Althouse is referring to.
Any Doctor or therapist who signs off on a document attesting that a (mostly--we all have our days) emotionally competent person needs a 50-pound pit bull for "emotional support" is lying and cheating, and enabling the lying and cheating.
Speaking of lying, the vast network of nonprofits devoted to forcing illegal immigrants upon us is based upon the lie that the millions of recent arrivals are fleeing government persecution. The lies are going to be carefully choreographed in close conjunction with those paragons of veracity, lefty lawyers.
I have two kids with dog allergies. We depend on integrity when we get a place that advertises as pet free. I didn't think about how this might make renting more inconvenient when they get older.
Living in a high-trust society was nice. I am going to miss it.
Many of these scams only work as long as some critical majority of the population retains a sense of bourgeoise morality. But once enough people get sick of being the suckers who follow the rules, things start to fall apart.
If the only people with 'emotional-support animals' are those with serious mental illnesses that are relieved by the animal's presence, it isn't a big problem. But once people see enough abuse of the system just for the convenience of having your pet with you in inappropriate places, more and more of them decide that if Karen gets to bring her pet to work, why not me?
Affirmative action only fails to collapse because millions of white students and their parents retain enough bourgeoise morality that they don't lie about race and have their kids check boxes. But as more and more high-profile people who have quite obviously never suffered the slightest bit of discrimination are seen to have checked the box, it becomes much harder to accept the handicap that comes from being honest.
Likewise, the whole system of preference schemes for women in various desirable high-compensation professions falls apart once enough men are willing to check whatever box gives them an advantage. (Young men at the elite prep schools are already encouraged to give the impression on their Ivy applications that they are gay or trans--who is going to check up on this, and how?).
Rowling and other "TERF" [an idiotic term] feminists correctly see that a whole constellation of privileges is at risk if people can switch to whatever gender is advantageous in a given situation. The only thing preventing a full-on cascade is a little residual shame among men and the general sense that lying is wrong. The more "Leah Thomases" who publicly benefit from gaming the system, the more people will start to game it.
So keep eroding the high-trust society by making 'cheating' so visible, and throw tens of millions of people from low-trust societies into the mix. It probably won't be too long before we have a collective "Damn! How do we get all that toothpaste back into the tube?" moment, at which point it will be too late.
Situational ethics.
On an extended car trip we had a long talk about situational ethics. Distilled down its just a way we lie to ourselves.
A question about situational ethics.
Since ethics only come into play during situations, how can they not be situational?
Ethic: Lying is wrong.
Situation 1: Does this dress make my butt look big?
Situation 2. Ve know you are harboring Jews. Vere are zey?
Professor Kant, if I understand him, advises a truthful answer in both cases.
Which makes Professor Kant a fool.
I come from a large family; my siblings and my daughter (all my family, really) are an important part of my enjoyment of life. In a sense they provide emotional support. I don't need to have one of them with me every waking moment to be functional.
Addendum to my comment:
I like animals and own a cat, but that is pretty much a one-way relationship. Definitely not co-dependent.
boatbuilder said...
"Hey, Mutaman--This is the lying and cheating that Althouse is referring to.
Any Doctor or therapist who signs off on a document attesting that a (mostly--we all have our days) emotionally competent person needs a 50-pound pit bull for "emotional support" is lying and cheating, and enabling the lying and cheating."
Althouse (and you) doesn't understand the law in New York: If as you argue the landlord believes, and can show, that the Doctor is "lying and cheating" (sic), the landlord can deny the request. If the tenant decides to challenge the denial in court, the landlord can subpoena the MD and have him or her testify.
Prof. M. Drout said...
"But once people see enough abuse of the system just for the convenience of having your pet with you in inappropriate places, more and more of them decide that if Karen gets to bring her pet to work, why not me?"
Thousands of New Yorkers have dogs in their apartments, So how is an apartment "an inappropriate place"?
Under the law in NY a landlord can enforce a no pet clause. And under the law there are exceptions to the no pet clause. The idea that a tenant who is enforcing their rights under the law is somehow "scamming" the system is pretty ridiculous. And the fact that some posters here see this as representing a breakdown of social norms indicates that such posters need some emotional support.
Mutaman: the tenant openly states that she is lying. A tenant must have a licensed mental health professional certify that the tenant has a life-altering disability.
Anxiety or depression alone do not qualify. Due to massive fraud, the rules are being tightened this session. Fraudsters can go to jail. As a former landlord, I will never be a future landlord because too many lazy deadbeats give good tenants a bad name. But I also led the court fight to fine and monitor a sociopathic and sexually predatory slumlord preying on primarily young gay male tenants in my neighborhood in southeast Atlanta, pal, so do leash your prejudicial presumptions.
If you need some emotional support over people calling you out on your needy nonsense here, I recommend reading Clifford, The Big Red Dog. Or try petting a random Cane Corso.
Preferably the former.
Tina Trent said...
" Mutaman: the tenant openly states that she is lying. A tenant must have a licensed mental health professional certify that the tenant has a life-altering disability. "
Don't know about Atlanta, but in NY (which is what this thread is all about) if the tenant is lying and/or does not provide the required documentation , the landlord has a clear remedy- deny the tenant's request and bring a holdover proceeding if the tenant continues to keep the dog in violation of the lease.
"Anxiety or depression alone do not qualify". "Due to massive fraud, the rules are being tightened this session. Fraudsters can go to jail"
Link please. I suspect you don't know what you're talking about.
Mutaman: look it up yourself. I do not confine myself to reading about laws in one state. You could use some diversity in source material.
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