২৬ সেপ্টেম্বর, ২০২৩

Taking stochastic terrorism seriously.

I'm reading "Trump Floats the Idea of Executing Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley The former president is inciting violence against the nation’s top general. America’s response is distracted and numb" (Brian Klass, in The Atlantic)(analyzing Trump's Truth Social post that said Milley’s call to China on l on January 6, 2021, was 'an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH'):
Trump loves to hide behind the thin veneer of plausible deniability, but he knows exactly what he’s doing.... The suggestion is clear, and it comes from a man who has one of America’s loudest megaphones—one that is directed squarely at millions of extremists who are well armed, who insist that the government is illegitimate, and who believe that people like Milley are part of a “deep state” plot against the country. 
Academics have a formal term for exactly this type of incitement: stochastic terrorism. An influential figure with a large following demonizes a person or a group of people. The likelihood is strong that some small number of followers will take those words literally—when Trump implies that Milley deserves to be put to death, some of his disciples might take it as a marching order.... 
As a political scientist who studies political violence across the globe, I would chalk up the lack of high-profile assassinations in the United States during the Trump and post-Trump era to dumb luck.... Heading toward one of the most consequential, divisive elections in American history, every ingredient in the deadly recipe for political violence is already in the mix: high-stakes, winner-take-all politics; widespread conspiratorial delusions that detach followers from objective realities; a suggestion that one’s political opponents aren’t “real Americans”; a large supply of violent extremists with easy access to deadly weaponry; and a movement whose leader takes every opportunity to praise those who have already participated in a deadly attack on the government. Eventually, all luck runs out.... 

"Stochastic terrorism" — that term came up last February on this blog, in a post called "Matt Taibbi talks to Joe Rogan about the Twitter Files." Taibbi explained Twitter's "glorification of violence" policy, which he said was "the speech version of stochastic terrorism." This is a quote from Taibbi — about 10 minutes into the video clip:

Stochastic terrorism is... this idea that you can incite people to violence by saying things that are not specifically inciting but are statistically likely to create somebody who will do something violent even if it's not individually predictable. 
That's what they did with Trump. They basically invented this concept that yes, he may not have actually incited violence, but the whole totality of his persona is inciting, so we're going to strike him. So they sort of massively expanded the purview of things they can censor, just in that one moment....

Back then, I researched the term "stochastic terrorism," which was new to me at the time. I wrote:

There was an article in Scientific American last November about stochastic terrorism: "How Stochastic Terrorism Uses Disgust to Incite Violence/Pundits are weaponizing disgust to fuel violence, and it’s affecting our humanity." That's by Bryn Nelson.

Why have I never noticed this term before? From the Scientific American article: 
Dehumanizing and vilifying a person or group of people can provoke what scholars and law enforcement officials call stochastic terrorism, in which ideologically driven hate speech increases the likelihood that people will violently and unpredictably attack the targets of vicious claims.... 
Propagandists have fomented disgust to dehumanize Jewish people as vermin; Black people as subhuman apes; Indigenous people as “savages”; immigrants as “animals” unworthy of protection; and members of the LGBTQ community as sexual deviants and “predators” who prey upon children....

People who are trying to outlaw gender-affirming care for transgender kids and purge pro-gay books from library shelves have stirred up disgust by invoking the specter of sexual “grooming”; others have made the same accusations against those speaking out against such legislative efforts, and some have used the idea to fuel disinformation about the cause of scattered pediatric monkeypox cases. The manufactured grooming mythology has spurred another round of moral disgust and outrage....

Researchers have estimated that transgender people are more than fourfold more likely to be the victims of violent crime than their cisgender counterparts, and while not a direct link to violence, other scientists have linked disgust sensitivity and authoritarianism to a higher opposition to transgender rights.....
So if your criticism of something you don't like elicits disgust, you can, in fairly short order, be accused of inciting violence. I certainly have been seeing this form of reasoning, which, as Taibbi said, "massively expand[s] the purview of things [some people believe] they can censor." It's so threatening to free speech values, especially when biased censors are deciding which speech fomented the disgust they find... disgusting.

Here's Christopher Rufo's response to the Scientific American article: "The 'Stochastic Terror' Lie/The Left’s latest gambit for suppressing speech is built on preposterous grounds."

What does the word "stochastic" mean? OED: "Randomly determined; that follows some random probability distribution or pattern, so that its behaviour may be analysed statistically but not predicted precisely."

The idea of "stochastic terrorism" seems designed to blame someone as a leader of a group when there is no group. And the "leader" is a speaker who has only stimulated the beliefs and emotions that may cause some listeners to decide individually and on their own to take action.

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rehajm বলেছেন...

Alinsky bragged about the enabling power of it. Encouraged it. It isn’t a Trumpian thing. Trump is too busy…

I’m more disturbed the people too stupid to recognize what Trump is saying are allowed continued credibility.They should be added to the growing pile of Liz Warren ‘GE doesn’t pay taxes!’ people…

Buckwheathikes বলেছেন...

I'm a little bit confused as to exactly what "stochastic terrorism" is.

It seems like when the Democrats poured out their fake rape hate speech against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh and then one of their Democrat supporters named Nicholas Roske boarded an airplane and flew to Washington DC with the intent of assassinating him (only to chicken out at the last minute and so far hasn't been prosecuted for his crime that he admitted to 911 operators.) Interestingly, he flew to DC from California and when arrested was armed with a Glock-17 that he somehow got through security and onto the aircraft but we're not supposed to ask about any of that.

Is that what "stochastic terrorism" is?

By the way, what is "projection?"

rehajm বলেছেন...

Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty…

Tina Trent বলেছেন...

Stochastic terrorism is calling Trump supporters racists, sex offenders, and rioters.

Responses to stochastic terrorism undermine equal justice by selectively weaponizing prosecutions based on bias against only certain types of politics. The BLM/ANTIFA riots actually did hundreds of millions in damages, shuttered thousands of small businesses, invaded, occupied, and burned government buildings and public property, led to thousands of assaults, endangered thousands of others by blocking streets and bridges, resulted in the assassination of multiple police and the assault and injury of thousands of police, instilled mass fiscal fraud, and yet it is not called or prosecuted as Stochastic terrorism.

The term itself is a wolf whistle. The media is driving unequal justice. Shame.

mezzrow বলেছেন...

Let's take this as a premise.

Rachel Maddow.
James Hodgkinson.
Steve Scalise.

Right? This basically aligns the planets for us to focus on the exact sequence of events we're outlining. What's the mystery?

Donald Trump.
?????
General Milley.

Most mainstream media.
?????
Donald Trump.

"who will rid us of this troublesome Trump?"

Are we casting lots for a martyrdom operation? Gotta stop that man!
When the projector is this large, it's hard to see. We're all living in its shadow though.

Leland বলেছেন...

It's so threatening to free speech values, especially when biased censors are deciding which speech fomented the disgust they find... disgusting.

I’m disgusted by what they are to speech and other freedoms.

chickelit বলেছেন...

I approve of what Trump is do with regards to this General.

Breezy বলেছেন...

Schumer: “ I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

Also, all the fear mongering wrt climate change is stochastic terrorism. From blocked highways to “climate anxiety” itself.

And, one of defund the police favorites: “Pigs in blankets”. A few Police people actually died from these messages.

So it appears it’s a human political speech thing, not a conservative political speech thing. Journalists tsk tsk.

chickelit বলেছেন...

So, is what Gen. Milley has done above reproach? I don’t recall a debate on those merits here in the comments.

Buckwheathikes বলেছেন...

Quoting CNBC:

"Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley called his Chinese counterpart twice in the waning months of Donald Trump's presidency to secretly reassure Beijing that the U.S. would not attack, a Milley spokesman confirmed."

Yes, that would be an executable offense. And if Donald Trump becomes President again, he should execute General Milley as an enemy combatant giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

Legally, in other words. Trump should execute Milley in a legal manner.

Like when Obama ordered the CIA to kill that 16-year-old American citizen in Yemen. Despite that kid never even being charged with a crime.

Do it like that.

Jaq বলেছেন...

If you want to examine stochastic terrorism, look at the murders of Trump supporters, because I don’t see Trump supporters murdering anyone, but we see the murderers of Trump supporters getting light sentences or let off completely. So yeah, this is projection.

Humperdink বলেছেন...

Buckwheathikes asked: "By the way, what is "projection?""

My thoughts exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, the opposition accuse Trump of doing, the Commies do in spades.

EdwdLny বলেছেন...

What general milley proposed is commonly referred to as treason, a capital offense.

Owen বলেছেন...

And what is Brian Klass doing, in writing this hysteria-laced piece? Ostensibly about Trump but really directed at those nameless millions polishing their arsenals and waiting for the code? But not really about them: Klass is selling clicks of fear, suspicion and rage to be enjoyed by his readership. What manipulative drivel. If anybody is guilty of treason, of actively seeking to bring down the country, it is he.

Marek বলেছেন...

"millions of extremists"? At what point...

rhhardin বলেছেন...

The author is not very self-reflective.

khematite বলেছেন...

"“It is said that this manifesto was more than a theory, that it was an incitement. Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker’s enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason. But whatever may be thought of the redundant discourse before us it had no chance of starting a present conflagration.”

Justice Btandeis, Gitow v. NY (1925)

rhhardin বলেছেন...

Stochastic terrorism is so new that Buck and Clay pronounced with the a soft ch, anyway on the first day.

AMDG বলেছেন...

So the entire DEI movement is an exercise in stochastic terrorism?

John henry বলেছেন...

The only crime specifically defined in the Constitution is "Treason". What Milley said he would do, giving battle plans to an enemy, China, would seem to fit the definition to a T.

Congress, Senate and President have set the penalty for treason as death.

Just telegraphing to China that he's got their back like this certainly seems to rise to the level of "adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Where is PEDJT wrong about Milley?

Article 3, Section 3

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


Death is prescribed as the penalty in a statute approved by House, Senate and President

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason


Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Emphasis added.

So can anyone tell me where our President Emeritus is wrong? (Assuming conviction of Milley in trial and assuming that China meets the legal definition of "enemy")

John Henry

Misinforminimalism বলেছেন...

Trump has literally been charged with crimes for which the punishment is, a la Trump, "DEATH." The left has cheered that on, and sought mightily to justify it. By their terms they are calling for his assassination, no? Shouldn't someone go and arrest them, or at least shut down their megaphones?

Iman বলেছেন...

Well said, Tina Trent @5:46am!

John henry বলেছেন...

Our President Emeritus is facing a potential death penalty under the "Deprivation of Rights" charge.

We have people like Chuck who are all in on executing him. At least they say they are. (With a trial Chuck? Or is he so guilty that is unnecessary?)

Why is this not stochastic terrorism on the part of government?

Seems like PEDJT has a lot more standing to mention treason and death sentences in the case of Milley than the govt has to charge PEDJT.

John Henry

Iman বলেছেন...

The nation grows weary and less and less tolerant of the Left’s psychotic reaction.

Leland বলেছেন...

+1 What Iman @7:28am said about Tina Trent @5:46am

John henry বলেছেন...

Neal Stephenson's great novel about climate change and geoengineering "Termination Shock" talked about "stochastic land" and "stochastic reservoirs" and more. (In the sense that climate change will allegedly cause land to go underwater at random)

I learned the word in grad school statistics classes back in the 70s. I doubt I have run across it more than once a year, if that, since then. I had to look it up when I ran across it in the novel.

I wonder how many people have any idea what "stochastic" means? Thank you Ann for putting the definition. As you say, it basically means "random". But, because it is multi-syllabic and unknown, it sounds much scarier. People think they know what "random" means (few actually do) so it is familiar and comfortable.

Isn't "stochastic terrorism" or "random terrorism" redundant? Isn't terrorism, by it's very nature, carried out randomly? The whole idea of terrorism is to create an atmosphere of fear. We can't go out to the movies because theaters are being blown up randomly, for example. As has happened in the past. We are scared to send our kids to school because of random and unpredictable school shootings. And so on.

It is the unpredictability of terrorism that makes it such a powerful force multiplier.

This is word war on the part of govt.

John Henry

PJ বলেছেন...

The use of this idea by the mainstream press goes back at least as far as blaming Sarah Palin for Jared Loughner’s violent attack on Gabby Giffords and others, though I don’t remember seeing the fancy scientific name come up then. The value of the concept to journalists is not that it explains how acts of violence can be unpredictable; the value is that it relieves journalists of the burden of tracing a line of causation before casting blame after the fact. As mezzrow suggested above, it’s underpants gnome journalism.

Also, isn’t accusing someone of stochastic terrorism . . . stochastic terrorism? What’s the punishment for terrorism?

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

Tina Trent said...
Stochastic terrorism is calling Trump supporters racists, sex offenders, and rioters.

That's not stochastic terrorism, that's journalism.

The BLM/ANTIFA riots actually did hundreds of millions in damages, shuttered thousands of small businesses, invaded, occupied, and burned government buildings and public property, led to thousands of assaults, endangered thousands of others by blocking streets and bridges, resulted in the assassination of multiple police and the assault and injury of thousands of police, instilled mass fiscal fraud, and yet it is not called or prosecuted as Stochastic terrorism.

That's stochastic activism.

Kate বলেছেন...

You all got this covered. I just wish Brian Klass would pop his head over to the comments section here. He's too wee-wee'd up, though, to realize his own side is already acting on what he imagines the Trump folk would do.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

Trump turned me into a newt!

John henry বলেছেন...

Blogger mezzrow said...

"who will rid us of this troublesome Trump?"

Precisely.

I predict that, if PEDJT continues his re-election run and if Brandon keeps sliding further behind, the next step will be to state, publicly, that he is facing the death penalty and there is no bail for death penalty cases. He will then be locked up.

I've even got $5 to make my prediction interesting.

The hook will be that he deprived Ashlii Babbitt of her rights by not protecting her from Capital police officer Michael Bird resulting in her death. Yeah, I know, it is way tenuous. But it does not have to actually stick or result in conviction. All they need do is get a judge to agree, lock him up, then delay, delay, delay until next November.

On November 15 they can set him free and say, oops, our bad. Please accept our apology private citizen Trump.

Or, they could keep president elect in the pokey and even swear him in there.

John Henry

Douglas B. Levene বলেছেন...

I have always understood the First Amendment to protect speech that might lead to harm in the future so long as the speaker is not inciting imminent harm. To illustrate, a speaker has the right to give a speech in which he says that Hitler’s problem was that he didn’t kill all the Jews, and urge his listeners to support the election of Neo-Nazis who would finish the job. But it’s unprotected speech to stand on the top of a police car in the middle of a riot and yell, “Kill the pigs!” Today’s leftists want to change that. We can expect that when the issue next comes before the Court, our new Justice Jackson will write a dissent arguing that speech that increases the risk of future harm to “discrete minorities” can be constitutionally prohibited.

Chuck বলেছেন...

Trump loves to hide behind the thin veneer of plausible deniability, but he knows exactly what he’s doing....


Yes; Trump habitually speaks in ways that provide him with deniability. And it's more than that. Trump speaks in ways that he has learned to hide his own ignorance of details.

Which is why every encounter with Trump -- be it a journalist, a negotiating counterpart, a political opponent -- ought to treat it as cross-examination. Demand that Trump listen to the end of questions; that Trump answer questions directly and specifically; and that Trump define all of his terminology exactly. Go back over questions and answers until direct responses are obtained.

Mike (MJB Wolf) বলেছেন...

Like Hillary the projection is strong with this guy. Does he ever dig into whether Milley going behind POTUS’s back to “keep the Chinese informed” did in fact flirt with being treasonous? Does he not understand the present context of Trump being indicted on charges that carry the death penalty?

tommyesq বলেছেন...

As a political scientist who studies political violence across the globe, I would chalk up the lack of high-profile assassinations in the United States during the Trump and post-Trump era to dumb luck....

You can tell someone isn't really a "scientist" when he ignores the actual evidence (no high-profile assassinations) to posit his pet "theory" (dumb luck).

What a jackass.

JK Brown বলেছেন...

Kind of like when Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, Biden declare Supreme court justices, or Republicans in general as an existential threat, Nazis, in hopes of provoking Antifa or other groups to taking "independent" actions.

Gusty Winds বলেছেন...

Blogger Buckwheathikes said...
Quoting CNBC:

"Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley called his Chinese counterpart twice in the waning months of Donald Trump's presidency to secretly reassure Beijing that the U.S. would not attack, a Milley spokesman confirmed."


Milley warned the Chinese about an attack he knew was NEVER going be ordered by Trump. The stupidity and dangerousness of what he did is enormous.

China: "Thanks Milley. We're a little nervous about what you just told us, so we are going to attack first just to make sure we land the first punch. Thanks for the heads up".

How many wars throughout history have been caused by military morons like Milley making some stupid fucking move like this? Reminds me of the WWI Generals that still attacked and had solders killed after the armistice was signed, but before the 11th hour on the 11th day. STUPID ASSHOLES WASTING LIVES.

Cappy বলেছেন...

I've got no problem with executing Milley.

Gusty Winds বলেছেন...

Milley basically overstepped his authority and betrayed the American people. The Military answers to the civilian population through the election of the President, not the other way around.

The joint chief assholes wanted JFK to invade Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis. They gave Kennedy "plausible" first launch plans. Civil war generals sacrificed thousands of lives daily via arrogance, incompetence and stupidity.

PRAY The United States does not get involved in a war any time soon. We would LOSE.

Tom T. বলেছেন...

Here'san article debunking the concept.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves বলেছেন...

Perhaps the feds can build a fake "kidnapping group" - out spare losers and deadbeats.

planetgeo বলেছেন...

No self-awareness whatsoever. The left is 100% 24x7x365 engaged in stochastic terrorism in the way they characterize their opposition ("far right", "extremists", "racists", "homophobes") and any speech by their opposition ("triggering", "microaggession", "speech is violence"). And they not only encourage violence against their opposition, they actually excuse it or don't even punish it when it does happen.

And Trump's statement about General Milley's actions was entirely accurate. Imagine an American general in 1939 secretly calling his Japanese or German counterpart to tell him that he would personally inform him if FDR was about to take military action.

MadisonMan বলেছেন...

I think Brian Klass is being obtuse with an obvious misinterpretation of Trump's words. This is something the Media has done tirelessly for 7 years now. Trump says x and the media wrongly interprets it.
Of course, given that Trump talks in Hyperbole, that's not hard to do, and it sells papers.

Jaq বলেছেন...

Remember when the DoJ charged Trump with a death-penalty crime for some speech that took a lot of interpretation, assumptions, and mind reading to turn into some kind of threat? Oh, that is happening right now.

So whatever you do, don't stop believing in the power of mind reading by our Department of Just Us and their loyal operatives in the press.

rehajm বলেছেন...

I don’t watch the news anymore but feel as if I missed something…are we at war with China? I thought we were still just prickley…

Jaq বলেছেন...

Sorry, I see that the death penalty comment has already been made. I guess it's so blindingly obvious that it's kind of amazing that the press didn't pick up on it.

JKLOL.

Jaq বলেছেন...

" Trump of doing, the Commies do in spades."

They are not commies, they are fascists. The mistake is understandable, since one needs a program to tell the difference.

JAORE বলেছেন...

We have imprisoned people for giving out information on military technology, strategy and deployments.

Surely Milley, who undermined his COMMANDER IN CHIEF should have, at a minimum, been forced to resign. Hell, I can't understand (beyond the MY TEAM idiocy) why Biden would retain someone who thinks he's above the CIF.

Lucien বলেছেন...

I've wondered whether the conduct Milley has admitted to (and maybe some he hasn't admitted to) would amount to mutiny under the UCMJ. I'm not sure how appropriate it would be for civil authorities to initiate Court Martial proceedings, but it would have sent a clear message about the subordination of military to civil authority if Milley had been charged with mutiny under a Biden administration. And what's the penalty for mutiny?

Wince বলেছেন...

This reminds me of the "find 11,000 votes" claim against Trump.

Trump cites the narrow vote gap in the Georgia election as a metric of likelihood of reversal (or in this case the statutory penalty for treason as a measure of egregiousness of Miley's stated intent to notify our enemy), and the left twists it around into a crime on Trump's part.

Earnest Prole বলেছেন...

Academics have a formal term for exactly this type of incitement: stochastic terrorism.

Academics have formal terms for all kinds of crazy shit. If you’re in the persuasion business, try to avoid phrases that make normal people roll their eyes.

Big Mike বলেছেন...

Given the performance of the US military in the Afghanistan withdrawal, I could certainly get behind court martialing Milley and other US Army snd Air Force generals for dereliction of duty.

Lem Vibe Bandit বলেছেন...

In times gone by Miley would have been asked to quietly resign.

A clear, unambiguous chain of command used to be sacrosanct.

Narayanan বলেছেন...

I believe 'stochastic' is academese for RANDOM ! or chance?

in case of Trumpese could be opportunity-istic

PRJ বলেছেন...

The Chinese are not our enemies. The Rosenbergs were executed for espionage, not treason. I like the Court Martial scenario. Is it too late?

Narayanan বলেছেন...

The left is 100% 24x7x365 engaged in stochastic terrorism
=====
not stochastic if = 100% 24x7x365 = routine, mundane, BANAL as in bane of existence.

Ignorance is Bliss বলেছেন...

The likelihood is strong that some small number of followers will take those words literally—when Trump implies that Milley deserves to be put to death, some of his disciples might take it as a marching order....

If followers take his words literally they will literally not take his words as implying something else.

John henry বলেছেন...

Blogger Lem the misspeller said...

In times gone by Miley would have been asked to quietly resign.

In times even further gone by, he would have been placed in a room by himself with a pistol and asked to "do the right thing"

John Henry

Narayanan বলেছেন...

I believe 'stochastic' is academese for RANDOM ! or chance?

in case of Trumpese could be opportunity-istic

Temujin বলেছেন...

A visual example of stochastic terrorism at work would be to go back and watch videos of interviews with key Democrats during the Summer of George riots in 2020. All key Democrats, from Joe Biden, to Nancy, Chuck, Kamala were very much in favor of what they called the 'peaceful protests' as our cities burned and people were being killed. They kept encouraging it with their talk, given wind to the groups behind the protests. And not just wind, but money.
By their words and their inaction to deter anything, they essentially gave a governmental approval of what took place. They gave it the go-ahead. Then once the blocks were burning, the cities were emptied out (and yet to recover in some cases), they actually helped raise money for the rioters.

Both stochastic and real-time terror building. And...it enabled them to run a vegetable for President and get him into the White House. I think worries about Trump are laughable in the face of what we've already seen being done to us.

n.n বলেছেন...

Case in point: Capitol (sic) punishment.

Narayanan বলেছেন...

In times gone by Miley would have been asked to quietly resign.
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woke general MILLEY can 'resign' and stay in office by taking benefit of gender transition

Jupiter বলেছেন...

Remember how upset Brian Klass got when Hillary Clinton suggested I should be loaded onto a train and sent to a death camp? Neither do I.

Ignorance is Bliss বলেছেন...

Academics have a formal term for exactly this type of incitement: stochastic terrorism.

Cool. Now do:
Congressional Republicans,
conservative Supreme Court justices,
Trump supporters

Yancey Ward বলেছেন...

Milley violated the chain of command with that phone call. If any lower ranked officer had done the exact same thing, he would have been court-martialed, tried, convicted, and sentenced to a long prison sentence at the very least, and everyone knows this.

If any general today did the same thing to Biden by contacting Putin, you can bet your ass that general would find himself in a military prison ASAP.

effinayright বলেছেন...

What Milley did was treasonous, but not Treason.

We are not in a state of war with China, with whom we mutually do billions in trade.

China is thus NOT an "armed *enemy* of the United States", so Milley didn't commit Treason as defined by the Constitution.

Nonetheless Milley should be court martialed and cashiered for his egregious breach of the chain of command.

Rabel বলেছেন...

“General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

- Milley, according to Bob Woodard.

From the Post.

Aside from the calls, Milley's entire course of action documented in that article was disgraceful, insubordinate, and driven, supposedly, by a neurotic misreading of President Trump's mental status.

It's not too much of a stretch to call it treasonous.

gilbar বলেছেন...

'an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH'

Wasn't it?? ISN'T IT?

What DO you call it, when an Army Chief gives Aid and Comfort to the Enemy?

William বলেছেন...

Tu quoque. Trump and his enemies both engage in hyperbole. There was that riot on 1/6. Windows were broken. Then there were those trials afterwards. The perpetrators of broken windows were punished with decades of imprisonment. I guess you can't define selective prosecution as stochastic terrorism. It's certainly not as random as a broken window. ....Contra Trump: Milley had a sorry record as Chief of Staff, but treason is over the line. At any rate, wasn't Trump to some extent responsible for his appointment? Trump had a hand in appointing many of the people he takes issue with, including, most notably, his own VP. "Deep state" is as vague a term as "Woke". There were many within Trump's orbit who he claims were disloyal to him. Could this possibly be an indication that he has trouble inspiring loyalty?

William বলেছেন...
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who-knew বলেছেন...

The left accuses Trump of "Stochastic terrorism " to deflect from the actual terrorism of their allies in Antifa.

gilbar বলেছেন...

Serious Question:
Obviously, Proving "treason" is hard (mutiny is easier, but still)..
However, Under the existing Precedents... Gen Smiley was (and IS) a enemy combatant.
Therefore, Future President Trump would be COMPLETELY legally justified in sending a drone out to above Gen Smiley's house, and launching one (or Several) Hellfire Missiles into the house.

If the US can LEGALLY blow people to hell, for No REASON At ALL (like Biden did, like O'Bama did, like Bush did, like Clinton did).. SURELY we can LEGALLY declare Gen Smiley a enemy combatant.. Since he IS

gilbar বলেছেন...

oh, AND
while the Constitution CLEARLY states, that there can be No bill of attainder( or corruption of blood, or forfeiture, or Any of what all that means)..
Current LEGAL precedent CLEARLY States, that there is NO PROBLEM AT ALL with waiting until Gen Smiley's whole family is in the house (perhaps, t-day? or xmas? or superbowl?) when we launch the hellfires are blow the entire house to hell

Brian McKim and/or Traci Skene বলেছেন...

On September 21, I tweeted the following:

"Just saw the word "stochastic" sitting at the end of the bar, pounding down one shot after another muttering about feeling unwanted, used, abused, misunderstood and cast aside like a used tissue. Sad to see, but utterly predictable."

The word is already played out. Surprised that you missed this.

walter বলেছেন...

stochastic
[ stuh-kas-tik ]
See synonyms for stochastic on Thesaurus.com
adjectiveStatistics.

of or relating to a process involving a randomly determined sequence of observations each of which is considered as a sample of one element from a probability distribution.

Rocco বলেছেন...

Whenever someone accuses someone on the Right of “Stochastic Terrorism”, I think back a quarter century to when a new neighbor’s dog kept taking a dump in my backyard and the owner accused me of negligence for not putting a fence up to keep his dog out.

walter বলেছেন...

"@JoeBiden says of President Trump: As much as he’s trying to destroy me and my family – I hope I’ve demonstrated I can take a punch and if I’m our nominee, he’s gonna understand what punches mean.
— Arlette Saenz (@ArletteSaenz) January 27, 2020"

in 2018, Biden famously lashed out at Trump saying: “If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.”
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/biden-once-again-threatens-to-beat-up-president-trump/

effinayright বলেছেন...

gilbar said:

"However, Under the existing Precedents... Gen Smiley was (and IS) a enemy combatant."
*******

Cite those precedents. See this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/enemy_combatant

"The term enemy combatant is a concept creating an extraordinary legal status with specific rules that were established by President George W. Bush’s Administration to describe the combatants suspected of having supported or participated in armed and/or terrorist activities against the United States."

Apply that definition specifically to Milley. What exactly did he DO that fits that definition.

"Figuratively", or "in my opinion" doesn't count.

You're just making shit up. Unhinged crazy shit.

effinayright বলেছেন...

gilbar said:

"However, Under the existing Precedents... Gen Smiley was (and IS) a enemy combatant."
*******

Cite those precedents. See this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/enemy_combatant

"An enemy combatant can be defined as a person who, in times of armed conflict, engages in hostilities for the other side."

"The term enemy combatant is a concept creating an extraordinary legal status with specific rules that were established by President George W. Bush’s Administration to describe the combatants suspected of having supported or participated in armed and/or terrorist activities against the United States."

Apply that definition specifically to Milley (not "Smiley). What exactly did he DO that fits that definition. For starters, are we in "armed conflict" with China?

"Figuratively", or "in my opinion" or "sorta like", or "whaddabout that time China did this" don't count.

You're just making shit up. Unhinged crazy shit.

traditionalguy বলেছেন...

Warnings that if Trump voters do not leave off opposition to the Biden DOJ and FBI etc.those gestapos will march as Biden’s Army over the mountains, hang their leaders and lay their country waste with fire and sword is actual Terrorism.

Calling Trump speeches to his voters stochastic terrorism sounds to those voters like that actual terrorism. Hmm?

No wonder the teachers refuse to teach American history anymore.

ken in tx বলেছেন...

My previous knowledge of the word, 'stochastic' came from learning about how diesel engines work. There is no spark plug. The fuel/air mixture in the cylinder is compressed until it ignites by itself with no spark needed, i.e. stochastically, randomly determined.

walter বলেছেন...

Don't forget the Dark Brandon speech with the fiery red backdrop.

Big Mike বলেছেন...

@effinayright, fair enough. However the shambles in Afghanistan certainly should expose Milley to charges of dereliction of duty, shouldn’t they?

farmgirl বলেছেন...

TRUMP! Is there anything he can’t do?
I suppose the left will next be accusing him of hanging the stars!!!

He’s a bit of a blowhard. Not as big a blowhard as Biden, but: hey- the left play schoolyard games, so admission of faults is a step beyond their ken.

Craig Mc বলেছেন...

Taking Scientific American seriously is something that went out of fashion ten years ago.

It's a leftist rag now. Like just about any other formerly respected journal.