Writes Nancy Walecki, in "New York City Is Not Built for This/The city is seeing rainfall patterns that look more like Miami’s or even Singapore’s, an official said at The Atlantic Festival" (The Atlantic).
More than 8 inches of rain fell in NYC yesterday.
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The answer is for the federal government to give NYC $58b to redo the sewers.
Paywall, but I’m guessing this is all the fault of CAGW.
I hope they get it cleaned up soon, because LOOK what is coming their way!!
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"It is sold out every day as thousands flock to the United States under President Joe Biden's border policies"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12576219/On-board-Biden-Express-African-migrants-flight-Istanbul-Bogota.html
Well, it has been a cool, wet summer, that's for sure. One wonders if it had anything to do with the volcano in the Indian Ocean last year that put an estimated 15 trillion gallons of water into the stratosphere, which, according to NASA, will be there for years. But whatever, one thing is certain, updating the NYC stormwater system is actually possible, where controlling the weather is not, even given, arguendo, that their theory is true, China and India have a great deal of control over the knobs on the weather machine, and a great deal of the world wants out of poverty.
The US and Europe have decided that the only answer to this perceived problem of AGW is world domination, no matter the cost in lives, so that, for example, if an African country wants to build a fertilizer plant, they have to crawl to the US and Europe for permission, which will be denied due to "climate concerns" <<-- Actual example, we denied Africa a fertilizer plant, then denied them Russian fertilizer.
It would be terrible if African nations could go to China to get a fertilizer plant built without the permission of the WEF, so war it is. Russia must be humiliated or China will never fold their hand. All because we don't want to invest in infrastructure. One wonders how far 100 billion dollars would go in such an effort. By the time this war is over, we are probably up to a trillion, would be my guess, if, optimistically, we get out of it without a nuclear exchange, which the climate zealots might actually welcome, Maybe we could have built a conservation corp and employed the hundreds of thousands of men we have killed and maimed, instead of, you know, wasting their lives in a vain attempt to control the climate.
Calm down, folks:
"There have been no confirmed fatalities, said New York City Fire Commissioner Laura Kavanagh." (Wall St. Journal)
Sorry if you ruined your favorite shoes.
Public works projects since the early 1900's have been constructed under the design of civil engineers. Trust me. Storm sewers are designed for much more then 3" per hour.
The is exactly ZERO evidence that rainfall events have increased. Hurricanes are actually less frequent. (OT but forest fires are declining, not increasing. According to NASA which has pics to support THEIR conclusion.)
IF global warming was a thing, like systemic racism, they wouldn't have to keep lying about it
8 more feet should do the trick…
To use a leftist trope: That's not happening and besides they deserve it!
... that is becoming routine now that this nation and the world are into their second generation of ignoring the most pressing problem facing humanity: that is, climate change.
The pricetag for upgrading the New York City sewer system to make it safe for helpless pedestrians is estimated by experts at $147.4 trillion. Even with the federal government contributing 90% of that sum, Mayor Eric Adams said it could be "a struggle" for the city's budget to handle its $14.7 trillion share.
"We have so many obligations to our illegals, plus the union benefits, I confess I don't see any light at the end of our sewer lines," Adams said when I asked him if he would commit to making Manhattan puddle-free in 10 years.
And there is another aspect to this crisis. New York is not the only city on Earth. There are, indeed, other cities; and other sewer systems; and other places, somewhere or other. The long-forecasted destruction coming from our ignoring the climate change crisis has finally arrived on our sidewalks and our very doorsteps. It is not going to be pretty.
In fact, experts say, the timeline becomes much more lethal should Donald Trump be elec.....
Oh no! Will the illegal aliens be okay?
Geez. Anyone who survived the “Long Island Express” hurricane of 1938 might argue that storms are not getting worse at all.
More than 8 inches of rain fell in NYC yesterday.
over how many hours?
Hurricane frequency and intensity have been declining almost everywhere in the world in the last few decades. The one exception has been the north Atlantic, which has seen slight increases in frequency.
The decreases in the rest of the world are due to natural cyclical variation, better measurement techniques and plain luck. The increases in the north Atlantic are due to climate change.
BTW, is there evidence that they actually maintain their sewer system? Properly maintain it?
Think maybe the pumping stations are clogged with syringes and ossified human shit?
Kai Akker: LMAO. You AGW Chicken-Littles have the analytical ability of a mushroom. Which is why you are Chicken-Littles.
The mayor's "crystal energy" is really working wonders over there.
Yes. Nothing like this happened in the past. Oh wait …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane
I happened to be in NYC (Brooklyn) the past several days. Much of the flooding seems to be correlated with clogged storm sewers. Clogging as in “people leave litter in the streets and nobody cleans it up, so the first good rain carries it down to the grates and it plugs everything up.” Do that a few thousand times and yeah, your roads will become lakes.
Today I am in Manhattan and it looks pretty un-flooded. Few cars, though.
That said, I agree we need to light our hair on fire, put out a loop of video with people wading *up to their ankles OMG*, blame CAGW and get Uncle Sugar to send a few hundred billion “for resiliency.”
Seattle gets it's heaviest rainfall in November. I remember one November, some year close to 2000 when the Kent Valley was flooded. I was riding the bus to work during that time, and the water near the Ikea store came up over the first stairs on the bus.
We haven't had such a storm since. But, the Snoqualmie River continues to reach phase 3 or 4 flood levels each year, flooding the Snoqualmie Valley farms. Anyone who builds a home in the floodplain should be prepared for such flooding.
NYC's flooding has nothing to do with climate change. It's called weather. There's always the chance that a severe flooding event will occur that can overwhelm the storm water system. The question is how big a storm surge does a city want to build their system for? A 3-sigma storm (95% chance) or a 5-sigma (99.3% chance) system.
Has NYC maintained their storm water system? I that why the storm water system couldn't handle the storm?
According to CNN, NYC last saw floods like this in 1948. So, it's been 75 years with such a storm. That's not climate change, it's weather.
This is one of the problems of dense urban living, so adored by the left, because it facilitates their control over everyone else, which in turn keeps them in power, getting rich off of everyone else. Face it - the infrastructure in old big dense cities is obsolete, and those controlling those cities want the rest of us to pay to fix or replace it. Yet they persist in trying to force this dysfunctional model onto the rest of us.
George wins!
When you build in places that were originally swamp you're going to get flooding. The water has to go somewhere. We have always had torrential rains. It's just that before we drained and the paved the landscape the water had some place to collect. Now it's your basement.
it's official. Friday Sept 29, 2023 was the 9th wettest day in NYC history (at Central Park) with 5.48" recorded from (nearly unprecedented) climate-fueled deluges.
The deluge on September 23, 1882 remains by far the highest calendar day total at 8.28"
Wow, sounds like the civil engineers who did the design for this didn't do their research.
The insurance industry is the canary in the coal mine because actuarial tables don't lie.
If you want to know the truth about climate change, forget political parties. Forget news outlets. Forget real estate developers.
Pay attention to insurance companies. Their whole profit model is based on the ability to accuratey predict where they can make a profit and where they cannot.
20 years ago, I read that insurers were worried about the probability that Wall Street would flood and would be uninsurable.
Florida, we all knew about.
But Wall Street?
More of that great infrastructure democrats always wax eloquent about but never get around to improving. The storm drainage in NYC is simply a metaphor for the nation’s electricity grid and the “8 inches in a day” storm is the sudden switch to EV from ICE. The system can’t handle current demand yet the greenies are doing their rain dance every day and forecasting a ridiculous deluge we’ll have no way to handle.
I saw on social media yesterday that rain like this fell in NYC in 1882 and there was a similar rainfall and flood in Brooklyn in 1903. . But all the fanatics were out yesterday screaming "climate change."
Around 1987 or 88, when I lived in East Texas, our town got 14 inches in just 8 hours. It was catastrophic, with serious flooding all over town and overflowing dams on a couple of power plant reservoirs that turned a very minor river into a raging torrent that looked like the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon.
For any given location these are rare events but rains like this are occurring somewhere all the time. NYC big problem is not climate but an aging storm water drainage system according to most of the commentary I read yesterday.
Brilliantly done, Kai Akker.
I already know that if I bother searching, I will find that New York City has had such intense rainfalls in the past many, many times. I can pretty much guarantee you that the problems with this rainfall are due to poor maintenance of the water control systems of the city, most of which are 70+ years old. It costs money to maintain such a system, and politicians don't get any credit at all for preventing floods that never happen, so the funds to maintain the system are repeatedly strangled so that people like Adams can spend it on housing and healthcare for illegal immigrants and other such things.
I'm glad to see that NYC is beefing up its rainwater removal system to handle the long anticipated "new normal." Which rainy day account for the forecast global warming related expenses will they tap?
Don't ask the feds. They're (actually we're) broke.
Maybe clean the garbage out of the gutter and off the streets. Unclog the drains while you're at it. NYC is a pig sty. No wonder the streets flood.
Gee the folks that revel in hurricanes and tornadoes destroying mobile homes in the south got some rain because they can’t be bothered to do simple maintenance. Here’s to another 12 inches.
"the kind of extreme rainfall that is becoming routine" emph added
Climate change warriors can't resist making bullshit statements.
I seriously doubt the NYC sewer system had been upgraded over the last 70+ years to account for the almost 60% population increase. Much like my home state CA, infrastructure building virtually stopped by 1970, but the population increased by over 90%.
Mayor Eric Adams
"We have so many obligations to our illegals"
Keep in mind, he's a climate change proponent. His priorities are not in addressing what he champions.
When they tell you what they actually believe in, believe them.
On the lighter side of things, these "immigrants" come from areas that see this kind of flooding frequently. And there, it's not clogged intake grates that cause it.
I try to be philosophical. The whole city will be under the Atlantic ocean by 2100, unless the Saudis stop pumping petroleum out of the ground, and the Chi-Coms stop building three new coal plants a week. And while I think the Chikes might be running out of steam, the Saudis are still going strong. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets ...
The first year in my Madison house we had 7+ inches of rain. I say + because that was the top of the rain gauge. It happens.
The standing water must have been FILTHY.
And the rats were having their own Olympic swimming competition...
The system wasn't built to handle paving hell and putting up parking lots and streets and buildings and concrete everywhere.
Kai Akker:
And there is another aspect to this crisis. New York is not the only city on Earth. There are, indeed, other cities; and other sewer systems; and other places, somewhere or other
Genius.
Oligonicella said...
"the kind of extreme rainfall that is becoming routine" emph added
Climate change warriors can't resist making bullshit statements.
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These clowns act like there's no such thing as hundred-year-old records to disprove such statements.
Ditto the claim about the City being underwater from rising ocean levels. A gauge at Battery Park has recorded the tides for well over 100 years. During that time the ocean has risen a couple of inches, consistent with the long-term trend since the end of the Ice Age.
p.s. I wondering: are the praying kind, or the preying kind?
When I first came to Texas for grad school, in late summer of 1983, I asked my new roomie why the streets had such high crowns and deep gutters. The streets were so extremely designed for water runoff that some aspects, like giant strom water grates on curbs, made riding a bike an adventure in obstacle avoidance. And every intersection had scrapes in the asphalt from cars going over the crowns & gutters too fast.
My roomie just told me to wait a while and see. The first big thunderstorms of fall had the streets running with water, as if the gutters were small rivers. My roomie, a native, explained that he was famous (for a given value of fame) in the Outdoor Club at A&M for successfully kayaking across campus, using the gutters full of storm runoff, during one such deluge. He also successfully skied across campus during a rare snowstorm in College Station, although he admitted that he ruined his skis doing so.
1882 was not an exception to NY rainfall, just a record. Rare events that are known to occur need to be engineered into the system, or problems will be experienced. Hence the wild and deep gutters on streets in College Station. Pity about the shit filled subways in NY.
“Insurance companies have no conceivable incentives to exaggerate future risks.” - Rich
“Seattle gets it's heaviest rainfall in November. I remember one November, some year close to 2000 when the Kent Valley was flooded. I was riding the bus to work during that time, and the water near the Ikea store came up over the first stairs on the bus.”
Western Washington floods are always dependent on unseasonable snow accumulation/melt to push the rivers over the top. If it was just torrential rain, those flooded areas would still be open fields.
AGW will eliminate the snow AGW is causing to melt prematurely, and so AGW-caused rainfall will not be enough to cause significant AGW-related flooding, which won’t happen anyway because AGW will reduce the PNW to a drought-stricken dustbowl.
It's because of my gas stove. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
It's also the reason the Mississippi is low. I'm just pure evil.
“Insurance companies have no conceivable incentives to exaggerate future risks.” - Rich
If they exaggerate the risk they can claim justification for higher prices. No?
“Climate is what we expect; weather is what we get.” It was ever this.
"It's because of my gas stove. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa."
You can have my gas stove when you pry it from my cold, dead gourmet hands.
NYC is desperately seeking capital investment by hook or crook. Perhaps Trump can be forced to "donate".
The biggest U.S. insurance firms are facing pressure from three sides. They are raising premiums and are cutting back coverage because of more damaging storms and wildfires, made worse by climate change. They insure the fossil-fuel producers whose products are blamed for causing climate change. ~ WSJ Jul 13, 2023
Insurers Are in the Hot Seat on Climate Change
https://www.wsj.com/articles/insurers-are-in-the-hot-seat-on-climate-change-74e27330
No infrastructure is built to handle 100 year events, no one would stand the price tag. Only buildings can afford to be built to those specs and they aren’t either really.
I hear the streets of Manhattan are clogged with ingrates.
I recall bald old Arnold Siniard explaining to us Landform Geography students that even then--fifty years ago--developers were moving onto known floodplains with little or no planning for the inevitable 100 year or 500 year event.
At the moment we're dry and all the streams are low, including Ole Man River (thanks a lot, mezzrow).
Maybe the city planners in NYC could learn something from the rubes in Tulsa, OK.
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/20/564317854/how-tulsa-became-a-model-for-preventing-floods
“The insurance industry is the canary in the coal mine because actuarial tables don't lie.“
An actuarial table predicts average remaining lifespan at a given age. What does that have to do with flood insurance or climate?
Insurance companies are having a problem with disaster policies because of the inflation in construction costs. The cost of new construction has increased faster than the companies can increase rates (state insurance boards.) This has caused companies to limit how many policies they let in geographic areas, because they need to use nationwide income to pay off the local damaged regions. Insurance works by having large undamaged regions pay for small devastated ones.
The statement that actuarial tables don’t lie is funny, the tables are average lifespans, the true averages start to change the day the data is collected, you don’t know the true lifespan average for a year until the table is updated again next year, so the tables always lie except for one instant each year, but are approximately close.
So I think a consensus is forming in this thread that — probably — New York City’s storm sewer system could handle the rainwater if the city cleaned its streets and maintained its storm drains and other related infrastructure. But every good Lefty knows that the only way to solve problems is to throw money at it! Work?!? That’s for losers.
"July 23-24, 1987 Twin Cities superstorm
Greatest calendar day precipitation on record for Twin Cities International Airport (PDF) with 9.15 inches, and over 10 inches in suburbs west and southwest of Minneapolis. This rainfall cataclysm produced the worst flash-flooding on record in the Twin Cities."
Sometimes it rains.
Kai Akker at 7:12 AM
That was sarcasm, right?
"They are raising premiums and are cutting back coverage because of more damaging storms and wildfires, made worse by climate change. "
Even the IPCC says there is no evidence of more damaging storms or more wildfires. The I.P.C.C. says this and they are, of course, in the tank for climate change.
"It wasn’t built to handle the rainfall from Hurricane Irene, Hurricane Sandy, or, more recently, Hurricane Ida—which dumped 3.15 inches an hour on Central Park. And it wasn’t built to handle the kind of extreme rainfall that is becoming routine...."
...
More than 8 inches of rain fell in NYC yesterday.
Wow! "More than" 8 inches?
I guess that sounds more sexy than "less than 9 inches", right?
So that's about 5 hours of rain at 1.75 inches an hour.
Which means the only reason things ended up so bad is bacuse leftists can't maintain infrastructure.
Certainly modern American leftists can't maintain anything of value.
So my response is: I hope every single person who voted for or supported teh Democrats in NY drowns
tim in vermont said...
All because we don't want to invest in infrastructure. One wonders how far 100 billion dollars would go in such an effort.
After the cuts for all the "big guys", and the union corruption, and the environmental lawsuits, it's wouldn't buy jack shit.
The reality of the matter is that you can't build anything of value any place controlled by the American Left.
They are raising premiums and are cutting back coverage because of more damaging storms and wildfires, made worse by climate change.
Ask the way up to "made worse by climate change," this sentence could be both accurate and factually, scientifically supported. Storms and wildfires may in fact be more damaging in now-populated or now-more-densely-populated areas... because of population growth. That's what fosters insurance in the first place: the presence of people and their property.
But the final bit - even the IPCC admits that storms and wildfires are neither more frequent nor getting worse. They've backed way the heck off from that position. So a wee bit of editorializing taking place there in the pages of the WSJ!
The 8” of rain in a day in NYC is unusual in that it doesn’t happen often. Some people might see it twice in their lifetime. But it certainly isn’t unprecedented. Unprecedented world be something like The Great Molasses Flood of 1919 that killed 21, and AFAIK, nothing like that happened before or since.
As mentioned, the most likely reason for the flooding was clogged sewer intakes. Way too much of NYC is currently living like third world cities do- because the city is increasingly populated with third worlders. I hate having to use the words of Voxday, but the USA isn’t filled with magic dirt that turns 3rd world natives into 1st world citizens upon arrival. The sewers could likely have handled the rain if the water could get into them.
Preparing for 100 year events is entirely possible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386978/The-Japanese-mayor-laughed-building-huge-sea-wall--village-left-untouched-tsunami.html
Foolish old man, building a seawall to protect against a tsunami. Until 3 years after he died and became a visionary.
There are two ways to prepare for hurricanes. Build everything to survive a hurricane- which is both possible and expensive. Except possibly for beachfront buildings that could be undermined. Or build really cheap and have strong structures inland to flee to temporarily. And haul away the cheap structures after their destruction and rebuild. A common practice on tropical islands.
Ellicott City MD, among many other USA localities, floods on a regular basis. Why? It’s built in a floodplain. Why do we (meaning the government and the people there) keep rebuilding there? Flood payouts from government should occur only once- and should cover building a structure not on a floodplain. Build on an identified floodplain? Assume the risk. Build within 100 yards (or other arbitrary distance) of a shoreline? Assume the risk.
“New York City’s storm sewer system could handle the rainwater if the city cleaned its streets and maintained its storm drains and other related infrastructure.“
Pols get credit for grand new construction. No one gets credit for maintenance. That’s why we get bridges to nowhere when my street has potholes.
Joe Smith said...
And the rats were having their own Olympic swimming competition...
You gave me a flashback.
I lived in K.C. as a kid in Armourdale, a frequently flooding district. We all knew that whenever it would rain, every low area in the streets would flood until the water could seep into the bottom soil.
That "all" included us kids and when major rain was forecast, we accumulated bricks on our second story porches and bombed the little bastards as they motorboated around.
"Work?!? That’s for losers."
Meme: Socialists want my house, car and money. The only thing they don't want is my job.
"The biggest U.S. insurance firms are facing pressure from three sides. They are raising premiums and are cutting back coverage because of more damaging storms and wildfires, made worse by climate change."
Besides not understanding what an actuarial table is, you also throw out that bullshit. Insurance companies are facing pressure because the cost to replace insured housing, personal property, and infrastructure is inflating faster than they can raise the premiums, not because there are more or worse natural disasters.
Seriously- you are beginning to make hpuddinghead look like the smart one.
Josephbleau said...
An actuarial table predicts average remaining lifespan at a given age.
Among other things, yes.
What does that have to do with flood insurance or climate?
This (Merriam-Webster):
actuary noun
1 obsolete : CLERK, REGISTRAR
2 : a person who calculates insurance and annuity premiums, reserves, and dividends
actuarial adjective
1 of or relating to actuaries
2 : relating to statistical calculation especially of life expectancy
Especially, not exclusively.
Nothing's a real problem until it's a real problem in NYC.
Like the border.
sporadic, not routine.
"Around 1987 or 88, when I lived in East Texas, our town got 14 inches in just 8 hours. "
16 inches herer in the Fox Valley. My brother in law was putting a new roof on his house when it rained. I came over to drill holes in the floor of all the rooms to drain 10 inches of water into the basement. There were ranch houses with water up to the gutters.
BillieBob Thorton said...
Maybe clean the garbage out of the gutter and off the streets.
All the animals come out at night.
Queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick venal.
Some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the streets.
Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk.
I did a little more research and discovered that the "Long Island Express Hurricane" of 1938 was probably not the worst weather assault on present day New York City in recorded history. "The Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635 is believed to have had the eye pass over the very tip of Long Island back in very early colonial days, but it is believed to have been a Cat 4 hurricane so worse than anything New York has seen since.
Them damned Dutch in Nieuw Amsterdam must have owned a lot of SUVs in 1635.
This TikTok is fake. It's actually footage of an earlier flood in New Zealand, not New York.
"This TikTok is fake. It's actually footage of an earlier flood in New Zealand, not New York."
That won't slow Rich down.
The NYC sewer system was built in the 19th century, like the water system and a bit before the subways. While the upkeep on all three has been poor during the intervening 100+ years, the City has survived lots of hurricanes with their torrential rains during that period. So, not to worry that the City is going to drown or float away anytime soon.
Musk should be commended for instituting the Context feature.
“Insurance companies have no conceivable incentives to exaggerate future risks.” - Rich
If they exaggerate the risk they /i>can claim justification for higher prices. No?
Insurance companies dont make their money on outguessing storms. They play the long game, knowing the law of big numbers is always on their side.
Insurance companies make money investing the premiums until the money is needed. Even if they break even on claims, they make money on the time they have the cash.
Also, storms are more costly, not more powerful or numerous. More Costly because more land is developed in high risk areas.
I always know the AGCC promoters are lying when they bring up insurance numbers.
Also, storms are more costly, not more powerful or numerous. More Costly because more land is developed in high risk areas.
I always know the AGCC promoters are lying when they bring up insurance numbers.
Said much more concisely than I did (as, despite our host's exhortations, brevity is not my bag, baby).
But look - I do think it's important to make the systems on which we rely as robust as feasible (not possible, feasible), and maintain then, because things do happen - climate does change, floods and earthquakes do happen, volcanoes do erupt, and someday there will be another catastrophic asteroid hit.
I'm with Musk on getting some of us off-planet on that account, though it's not at all clear to me that there is any Solar System possibility for human settlement that wouldn't require us to be permanently dependent on very very high tech to survive, no matter our terraforming efforts or abilities.
Luckily none of that relies on me.
Insurance companies generally profit over time from huge and expensive disasters, because premiums go up and customers recognize the need for more coverage. Every disaster is a marketing opportunity.
"'BillieBob Thorton said...
Maybe clean the garbage out of the gutter and off the streets.'
"All the animals come out at night.
Queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick venal.
Some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the streets.
Thank God for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk."
Some people are envious of those fortunate enough to live in the greatest city in the USA and one of the greatest cities in the world: NYC!
Robert Cook said...
"'BillieBob Thorton said...
Maybe clean the garbage out of the gutter and off the streets.'
Some people are envious of those fortunate enough to live in the greatest city in the USA and one of the greatest cities in the world: NYC!
I live in the country, it's beautiful here, there is more beauty in nature than can ever be created by man. I don't envy anyone who lives in NYC. You can keep your crime, garbage, crowds, congestion, corruption, etc, etc.. NYC was once great, not so much presently. If the citizens on NYC think it's so great why don't they at least go out and pick up their own trash instead of tossing it in the street?
"If the citizens on NYC think it's so great why don't they at least go out and pick up their own trash instead of tossing it in the street?"
They're too busy trying to discourage migrants from coming to their sanctuary city for the sanctuary they've offered to be bothered with a detail like keeping storm drains cleared of trash.
"Some people are envious of those fortunate enough to live in the greatest city in the USA and one of the greatest cities in the world: NYC!"
MMmm. Nope. All yours. Have fun.
NYC is such a fantastic place that people come from all over the world just to sleep on the sidewalks. If you want culture and opportunity, you have to make sacrifices.
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