Hundreds of guests in tuxedos of all styles — sequined, quilted, velvet — and colorful gowns sipped on Trump-branded champagne and martinis [and]... danced to “YMCA” and “Macho Man”....
Thursday night’s Log Cabin Republicans’ “Spirit of Lincoln” gala in the main ballroom of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago beachfront club was a joyous celebration of gay rights....
Throughout the evening, speakers praised Trump for his embrace of the gay community....
I'm reading that because Chuck linked to it in the previous post and said: "I always contended that Althouse was right when she declared (during the 2016 Presidential campaign) that she thought that 'Trump is pro-gay but he’s being cagey about it.'"
Yeah, I did say that, back in July 2016, in the comments section to my post "Donald Trump may think Pence is a safe choice."
I was responding to a commenter, Brando, who said:
Pence--he seems plain vanilla, as in he won't hurt. I disagree that his "anti-gay" stances would be a problem--if "anti-gay" was a problem for you, you wouldn't consider the GOP anyway (Trump is at least currently opposed to gay marriage).
I wrote:
If you are correct, I should just stop wasting my time taking the GOP seriously. I put up with a lot of social conservative stuff I think should not be part of decent politics because overall I might think the GOP candidate will do a better job on the issues that he'll actually be dealing with.
To me, the anti-gay stuff from Pence is beyond the normal traditional-morals positioning. It's aggressive and stupid. The media will kill him with it and it will merge with the way they're already trying to kill Trump.
But some of you conservatives are so bent on getting back to traditional morality and using political power to do it that you're ready to leap into the risk that is Pence. I think Trump is smarter than that. I see Trump as pro-gay and being cagey about it.
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Where are they now on Masterpiece Cakeshop
I used to care about gay rights, but now supporting LGBT rights means being anti-woman and anti-child. Gay folks chose up sides so I get to as well. Dump the "T" and come out strongly against sexualizing children or their cause is dead to me. I just don't give a damn anymore.
In regards the NFT drop, now we know the rest of the story. Donald's coming out party.
I always thought that Pence was a big mistake, and it gave fuel to the lie that Trump was anti-gay, on account of his VP actually was.
Maybe there is a dialectic at play, where it started out kind of anti-gay weighting between Trump AND Pence, but the Democrats responded with defending the sexual preference grooming of children and declared that anybody against it is "anti-gay," leaving the Republicans free to support what we had traditionally called "gay": adult men and women in consensual relationships. Many gay adults are horrified at the grooming aspect of "LBGQ+" when Queer and "+" seem to encompass pederasty and even pedophilia. Those last two are simply not hills that traditional gay adults are going to die on, which is an opportunity.
I should just stop wasting my time taking the GOP seriously.
Its funny to read Ann comments like this now. Around that the time she chose not to take Trump seriously as a candidate- there’s even a blog post about not blogging his name. There’s other examples- clinging to NYT and WaPo as if they still contained mental nutritional value, mocking her own commentariat about coordinated election fraud because those outlets weren’t reporting those things…
Is it still worthwhile to take Ann seriously?
There is a difference between recognizing that love between adults comes in all different forms. Civil rights in terms of marriage benefits (end of life etc..) should be extended, and is, to gay marriage.
But being gay doesn't have to mean that you have to support tranny shows for children, or books in a grade school library on how to give a blow job, or mutilating the bodies of children for woke profits. If I were gay I'd be embarrassed at the association and intersectionality.
In the same spirt of morality, heterosexuals like Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew should keep their hands of the young girls. And we don't need to photograph children with bondage teddy bears and blood.
Why this is even controversial is a sign of a morally decaying society. Most of the sick shit is being pushed by the liberal education establishment.
Will this be the breaking point for the left's "Trump is an ultra-right-wing-MAGA-fascist" nonsense?
Will their broken brains -- as suffering from severe cognitive dissonance -- 'literally' explode soon? Got Windex to clean up?
Trump is as right wing as any NYC real estate developer could possibly be: not very. Bloomberg - Giuliani - Trump
Could you remind us why you think/thought Pence is anti-gay?
John Henry
It was always a smear designed to harm Trump. Look at the pictures of Studio 54 or watch the movies or read Musto in The Village Voice. The guys from Goldman Sachs were partying alongside the club kids and the other gay guys in the Michael Todd Room and everyone seemed to be having too good a time to wreck it with homophobia. Isn’t that why every gay kid from an east coast suburb wanted to go to New York?
Now the skinheads were a problem…
Eleanor, I'm with you.
I've never understood what the connection is between trans folk and gays/lesbians.
Including them along with all the other wierd permutations seems to cheapen the g/l cause
It leads people like you and me to wrongthink
John Henry
I’m impressed that people remember what they read or wrote in the Althouse comments 6 years ago!
I agree with Dave Begley, emphatically. I can't get past the fact that so many people remember what they read here years ago. I forgot what I read an hour ago.
I also agree with John Henry who agreed with Eleanor.
I'm very agreeable today.
In fact, I may just stop writing and start agreeing here and there. I'll become like the New York delegation to the First Continental Congress, never taking a position on anything, always, abstaining, courteously.
What do gays deserve that they don’t now have?
Maybe they’d feel accepted enough if they got a whole month dedicated to public celebrations of how precious and wonderful they are. Or like we could throw some parades or something.
Anti same-sex marriage =/= anti gay.
We forget what the purpose of marriage is.
Marriage is not a celebration of love between 2 people.
It is an artificial construct that societies (just about all of them) have devised to facilitate the continuation of said society, a way to make it feasible for 2 people (one man, one woman) to produce the next generation.
It's not the only way to do this, but the most efficient. The man agrees to support the woman and children they produce, and gets someone to have sex with. The woman gets a protector and support system, and someone to have sex with. It all works much better if it's kept permanently, and others are excluded, so that is the ideal, although not always the way it works out.
The modern concept of marriage as a way of marking that "we just love each other so much" is not justifiable, or sustainable. Why should any 2 randos get legal privileges and immunities just because they decide to have a ceremony?
They can contract between themselves for whatever they think is best. Family lawyers can come up with model contracts, to be adjusted to fit any 2 (or more) person's requirements.
Marriage should be reserved for people with dependent children and those who have raised them, recognizing that one of the 2 people (almost always the woman) has sacrificed her ability to provide for herself by spending years as a domestic parent.
Paraphrasing Dr Sowell, replacing what works with what sounds good is not a good strategy.
You called it, Althouse. Your prediction came true. What would Trump's presidency have looked like if he'd chosen better than Pence? I never considered that parallel universe.
Where have the few, the exceptional samples from Nature gone?
Sex: male, female.
Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine, feminine.
Trans- refers to a state or process of divergence from normal.
When first you entertain political congruence ("="). Send in the family of lions in a procession to celebrate a community outing.
That said, the Democrats have manufactured a sustainable catastrophe by exercising liberal license to entertain diversity, inequity, and exclusion (DIE) doctrine of the Pro-Choice ethical religion. Who expected their religious fervor to be limited to normalizing human rites? Normalize, tolerate, or reject... and be consistent. Unions for all consenting adults. Leave the children alone. #HateLovesAbortion
Is it not obvious to everyone here that the designation "LGBTQ+" is entirely and only a leftwing concoction designed as an element of its drive to tribalize our culture? As a founder of the national Log Cabin organization, I have always found it detestable that the gay left willingly acts the role of plantation overseers for the corporatist establishment. When we first started our activism in the late 1970s, we naively thought our task was to end GOP support for legal discrimination, but we soon discovered the bigger fight was against the left and its adoration of victimhood. Living those days in San Francisco, it was a truism that I always got more grief from the left for being a Republican than I did from Republicans for being gay. Sheesh.
Is it still worthwhile to take Ann seriously?
What are people supposed to make of a statement like this? I suppose you can enjoy this blog like a comic and not take it seriously, but then why comment about it in a serious manner. If you don't take something serious, why do you care if it is serious or not. Yet, this is your comment, and it says more about the person making the comment than the target of criticism.
I do agree that NYT and WaPo are junk that I think Althouse gives too much credit. However, it is vital utility to at least hear what the other side is saying, and Althouse is willing to do so in a manner far more palatable than either the NYT or WaPo taken straight on. And if you think of her comments about Pence, how many people respect that guy these days? She was equally harsh with McCain and Romney, criticized for her partisanship, yet most of the conservatives around here (I'll include myself on this) have little to no respect for McCain and Romney these days. People still criticize Althouse for her vote for Obama over McCain, but while I still don't like Obama either, her criticisms of McCain and Palin were well grounded.
Another vote for, you all went too far.
Gay marriage? Sure.
Eliminating barriers like wills and sharing employment benefits (e.g. medical coverage)? Sure.
But, not being able to take the wins.... The entire gay movement has apparently devolved into Drag Queen reading hour. Or taking KIDS into strip shows. Hell who even believes trans people are all drag queens? But that's how it comes off. And it's hard to disagree that it smacks of grooming.
But some of you conservatives are so bent on getting back to traditional morality and using political power to do it that you're ready to leap into the risk that is Pence. I think Trump is smarter than that. I see Trump as pro-gay and being cagey about it.
If Ann was rational she would support Trump.
But she is too concerned about what the progressive tribe will think about her.
There are a lot of Never Trumpers on this board that fall into that same trap.
Trump was always more of a libertarian. The GOPe is not, hence the feud.
Log Cabin Republicans? The wikipedia page says otherwise but it makes more sense for the name to allude to Honest Abe out in the woods, sharing a bed, splitting rails the good old-fashioned way.
Trump has always been gay friendly, even though I don't think it was a politically opportunist stance for him like his Pro Life position. It seems to be a matter of principal for him. Perhaps loyalty to Roy Cohn?
Trump is not, and never has been, a social conservative. He simply doesn't care. He was willing to put socially conservative judges in place, and support socially conservative legislation as a pay-off to the social conservative wing of the R party.
He's the exact opposite of Bush/Romney who would constantly bellow out socially conservative rhetoric and pretend to be a bible thumping CHristian (or a devote Morman), while in fact having zero desire to do anything in office to help the Rightwing.
Trump is just honest. He's willing to ally himself to social conservatives, and as part of the alliance, give them what they want. But in 2022, he's no longer POTUS and he can be himself.
Pro-gay? Or, Not Anti-gay?
Most of the self-described conservatives I know--who express any opinion--care about same-sex marriage about as much as they care about inter-racial marriage (curious term, that). Which is to say, they don't care at all.
It appears that the old formula "between consenting adults" has served its purpose and can be discarded in favor of something like, "Hey, I'm an adult, and I consent to everything I can get away with regarding your kids."
Trump could go full blown Tranny Story Time and the Ever-Trumpers would still vote for him.
In hindsight, he really needed a Dick Cheney-like VP to keep him from doing stupid stuff like the Covid briefings every day.
Gays have conquered the U.S. They are the least marginalized group in the country.
What other group has a representative flag flown from every embassy...the Irish? The Knights of Columbus? Straight people?
No. Fuck those hetero normie breeders.
But when a man puts on a dress and bumps and grinds for children, it is heroic, and should be funded with tax dollars.
Our country is toast...
Michael K said...
Trump was always more of a libertarian. The GOPe is not, hence the feud.
12/18/22, 9:51 AM
EXACTLY!!
Geography had more to do with the Pence choice than gay shit.
I hit the snooze button on "gay" after the supremes declared gay marriage a constitutional right.
Wake me up when they reverse that. My hunch is that they won't.
Tucker Carlson is asked who he will support, Trump or Desantis.
His answer is more than you would expect.
He also gets down to what this is all about without giving the answer.
It is hardly an insight that Trump was the most pro-gay Republican candidate ever- his entire history was a public display by 2015 and 2016. Trump could have run as a Democrat in 2016 except for one thing- his stance on border control. That issue by itself disqualified him as a Democrat and, interestingly, also disqualified him in the eyes of the GOP D.C. brigade and their personal cocksuckers, like Chuck.
Like it or not, Pence was a necessary choice in 2016. Had Trump picked someone more like Trump politically, Trump would have lost to Shelob because he needed the votes of people like Chuck to get elected.
Temujin said...
I agree with Dave Begley, emphatically. I can't get past the fact that so many people remember what they read here years ago. I forgot what I read an hour ago.
…since you’re both new here a bit of mansplaining: searchable by tags to keywords top left, then sortable by relevance or date. Searchable post listings by date in the right hand column.
Election posts generally fall on or around elections. It’s not magic. Not that hard, really…
JAORE said, "The entire gay movement has apparently devolved into Drag Queen reading hour."
No, no, no. That is the leftwing woke dingbat element that gets the MSM attention because, of course it does. Most of us are embarrassed by the shallow narcissism promoted by the gay Democrats and their intersectional "allies" in the corporatist globalist establishment. I would even go so far as to say that most of the promotion of the nonsense that JAORE rightly calls out is done by straight people eager, as is always the case with the left, to display their virtue.
I wonder what Bayard Rustin would think of this disaster.
…though in this case, I suppose the relevant material would garner my ‘How Ann Lost Me’ tag if there were such a thing…
Pravda and Izvestia were important, not because they told the truth, but because they told you what the regime wanted people to think. It's like that with the Times and the Post.
Trump was a Happy Warrior, as FDR said about Al Smith and many have said about FDR himself. It was refreshing that he didn't -- and couldn't -- portray himself as a moral crusader. He needed to pick someone different from himself to win. He had to pick Pence to hold on to the religious and moralistic right. Pence's very grayness or colorlessness meant that he wouldn't get attacked for anything other than being too religious or too uxorious or too dull by people who weren't voting for Trump anyway and who didn't have any influence with Republican voters.
"I agree with Dave Begley, emphatically. I can't get past the fact that so many people remember what they read here years ago. I forgot what I read an hour ago."
That is weird- I find odd people can't remember stuff like that. Now, if I don't put my keys in the same place every evening, then and only then am I in trouble.
"JAORE said, "The entire gay movement has apparently devolved into Drag Queen reading hour."
No, no, no. "
I was, apparently, unclear. My fault, of course. I agree entirely with your post. I (foolishly in hindsight) thought I'd touched on that with, "But that's how it comes off" as a reflection on media coverage not the actuality.
Gay folks should be outraged.... it would be good to see a bit more push back from gay groups.
Focusing on the essential needs of the country...
Let's party.
"The entire gay movement has apparently devolved into Drag Queen reading hour. Or taking KIDS into strip shows."
The "entire gay movement" has always been about the right to recruit. What the Hell does "anti-gay" mean, anyway? Round them up and put them in camps? No, it means "Keep the poor, sick bastards away from my kids". It is conceivable that homosexuality is physically contagious. It is undeniable that it is socially contagious. And no one has kids hoping they will become homosexual.
Gay neutral is more like Trump - definitely not anti-gay, but not pushing any gay or black agenda other than tolerance, live and let live, every green dollar is created equal.
It is Dems who claim being against gay marriage equals anti-gay. All humans born are the result of a male sperm plus a female egg. For we who believe marriage is FOR the kids, with a monogamous marriage as the optimal (& ideal), gay couples are never "really married". Because they never have kids together.
Rather than getting rid of "gay marriage", Republicans would like do better with pushing for "married with kids" tax benefits that only go to those couples who have kids.
But "gay marriage" by SCOTUS is a clear violation of the US Constitution's 9th Amendment - tho it remains as law until changed by another decision. Which Reps don't care nearly as much about as so many cared about abortion.
Pence, a strong anti-abortionist, was necessary for Trump to win over pro-life religious folk not happy with Trump's frequent womanizing. He's a slut-jerk. (There's no male word like "slut" that is negative for promiscuity.)
I do wonder what "fighting for the gay community" really means tho.
rehajm.
Thanks for your help. I think. Not sure I know what you're talking about, but...thanks.
Fighting? Fighting for what? What do the rest of us have that the ultra-special gay community doesn't? Our own month that we get to shove down the throats of everybody else? Our own flag? Permanent victim status?
Tell me.
"Dick Cheney-like VP"
Let's start some more wars!
Would be nice to hear some of that fire in the belly regarding Covid/Jab debacle. But it makes him feel lilke a dupe.
He's also fighting hard for those J-6 folks imprisoned without trial.
Harrrrddd!!!
Donald Trump has always been Fabulous.
So can I assume this was not a large auditorium and a somewhat crowd.
Will Trump be doing Bar Mitzvah's soon?
Most conservatives don't care who you love or sleep with, but wait until they start jerking 501c3s from churches that don't fall in line with the agenda. Don't worry. Tillis has 4 years for the people to forget that.
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And lawsuits.
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