My reaction, yesterday, was just "Yikes" — the post title — and, in the comments: "I'm more shocked that he made a casual 'pronouns' joke than that he expressed a desire to see F prosecuted (and without naming the crime or citing any evidence)."
Today, I'm seeing:
I strongly disagree. Forcing your pronouns upon others when they didn’t ask, and implicitly ostracizing those who don’t, is neither good nor kind to anyone.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 12, 2022
As for Fauci, he lied to Congress and funded gain-of-function research that killed millions of people. Not awesome imo.
Now, it's getting complicated. Musk started the conversation — on 2 topics — with something so short it was flippant and seemed mean.
But, as he must have expected and intended, it stirred up a lot of action on Twitter, and that seems to be the whole idea of Twitter. Saying something wrong — or 2 things wrong — becomes exactly right, because everyone's got to speak up — tweet up — and tell you you're wrong and chide you for hurting a lot of vulnerable people and smearing a specific celebrity.How we love to make a show of defending all the faceless little people and — perhaps even more — defending a celebrity who suddenly needs me, really needs me.
Fauci's in trouble. I need to help!
So there's a stampede to Twitter. We'll never learn. We take the bait again and again.
And Musk rebaits the hook. This time — instead of 5 words — we get 4 sentences. Yes, one is a sentence fragment, but 2 are actual compound sentences. You see? It's getting complicated!
And yet, in one sense, it is less complicated, because he's disaggregated the 2 issues. He doesn't defend the original choice to stick them together, a choice that was supported only, I think, by comical absurdity. It added nothing rational and was therefore gratuitously mean.
But now, he's got the issues separate, and presumably many people will engage with them, separately. Separated, the shock value is gone, but people will nevertheless expend their energy repeating the old arguments about why the declaration of one's pronouns is important and even required and about the extent of Fauci's wrong/bad decisions and personal responsibility. That blabby argumentation will vibrate and echo through the chambers of Twitter forever and ever.
And Elon ducks down the hallway looking for a new thread.
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We'll never learn. We take the bait again and again
Never learn? The endless debates are why people are on Twitter.
I would like to know what is wrong about the 2 statements Musk made
1. Forcing someone to use a specific form of address to another person inevitably results in intransigence. Even if you ignore the coercive nature of the policy, it is a stupid and ineffective way of making a point because it will create resentment and pushback rather than cooperation.
2. Fauci has potentially committing multiple crimes. Lying under oath. Funding gain of function research. Potential financial benefits from policy choices. All are worth at least investigating, yes?
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Musk is 100% right. Deal with it.
His latest: ‘The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters’.
I don’t think he gives a fuck about pronouns.
The possible threat of violence is constantly used by the Left to rationalize and justify censorship and cancelling speech. Safety! That and “hate speech.”
But how many real incidents of violence have happened? Probably none.
When America learned that hospitals and doctors were conducting medical experiments on CHILDREN, I think one guy from TX was arrested by the FBI. No actual violence. And I’d like to see the details of that case.
The Left accused Tucker Carlson of inciting violence. I saw those shows. Not a close question. He reported pure facts.
Stick and move, stick and move...
Forcing people to communicate in your personal pronoun grammatical tick is not ok. It’s particularly not ok to get someone fired for not acceding to your wishes, as profs and teachers have been. Musk is calling out the meanness of using grammar as a weapon. Societies have a right to beat back dangerous ideas that come up and start trending, even at the risk of seeming mean.
here's an article about they and them, and how they are a COMPLETE LOSER.
Non-binary Biden official Sam Brinton's backstory called into question by LGBTQ activist
Claims of torture, abuse by conversion therapist appear to fall apart under scrutiny
Here's the thing. In the Olden Days, just being gay was enough to lose your security clearance, because:
a) you were considered a blackmail list, because of the embarrassing questionable things you do
b) you OBVIOUSLY weren't All That Stable, to begin with.
NOW, we have a Certified LUNATIC (or, a least, a pathological liar), with an embarrassing past..
That Is a TOP NUCLEAR SCIENTIST, with security clearances to match. Oh, that is also, an apparent felon
Can we agree, that Sam should have their security clearance revoked?
Can we agree, that people like Sam, should NEVER have been given that clearance in the 1st place?
Maybe to biased minds Musk seemed flippant and mean. But then, those minds usually seem extremely intolerant to me.
What in the hell does “marginalized” mean?
Some ugly guy puts on makeup and wears a dress, and then complains about being marginalized? Some unnamed ogre is to blame?This is emotional manipulation.
Only women fall for this bullshit. It’s a fun way to poke normal, sane men in the ribs. Althouse likes to play this game with men. However, my bet is she doesn’t want to get into bed with one of these dress wearing psychos. The play acting has its limits.
Women enjoy playing humiliation games with men. How much will you put up with for pussy? A man wins that game by saying “No. I won’t play.” The man who says that actually gets the pussy.
Grow the fuck up, LGBTQ.
Elon's first tweet is something that would have been actioned by Twitter's Orwellianly named Trust and Safety council. It would have been hit for the pronoun gag, and, probably a year or more ago, for promoting misinformation. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that most people find people announcing their pronouns silly or bullying and at the minimum have serious questions about the actions and credibility of Fauci. The CEO of Twitter, tweeting out a previously verboten tweet helps with the overall rebranding effort of Twitter.
Also, even before the recent spike in inflation, the literal meaning of dollars to doughnuts was probably closer to even odds, and in the case of higher quality premium doughnuts odds that were in favor of of the person betting dollars.
This whole pronouns bullshit is just trying to find out what sex someone is. Mine is none of anybody else's business.
I've gone 75 years running into sexually ambiguous people and it has never been a problem. Most of us just don't care what sex you are 98%of the time.
The only pronouns anyone needs for me is "you" (ye, thou, thee, ud. And tu are OK) need something else? Go fuck yourself.
John Henry
Mock the pronoun nonsense at every opportunity.
Let me explain. The whole point of a pronoun is that it is NOT personal. With a pronoun, you can call for an ambulance without getting into the details of the victim's private life.
You can say "He fell out the window" or "She won the Nobel prize" without knowing anything about the subject except the sex.
In the cases where the sex is unknown, we use "he" for humans and some animals. "From this distance, he looks like a policeman.", "The horse, he was thirsty after the all day ride."
For other animals, where the sex is mostly unknowable, we often use "it". "The poor squirrel, it was attacked by a cat".
You don't get a personal pronoun. You are not that important. Get over yourself. If you insist you are that important, I am going to make fun of you. Not only that, but I will insist that you use my personal pronoun which is "Mxyzptlk, Lord of the Galaxy".
Spell and pronounce it correctly or I'll sue you..
I've said a few times that I think he's making a mistake getting into politics. But he clearly absolutely disagrees, "The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters." And he's smarter than me.
Bullying people into using language that they don’t want to and forces the speaker into amplifying an untruth is worse than “mean;” it’s evil, and mockery is the mildest response it deserves.
God help us against the damage done to the good, true and beautiful by women’s desire to not be “mean.”
And also inconsistent coming from you, Althouse, because I’ve been an on again off again reader for ten years and I’ve seen you be meaner than a cut snake on occasion. I guess you have your own calculus. “The gifts of the Almighty are weighed and parceled out in a scale peculiar to himself.” Cormac McCarthy in Blood Meridian
@gilbar wrote: "Can we agree, that Sam should have their security clearance revoked?
Can we agree, that people like Sam, should NEVER have been given that clearance in the 1st place?"
And here self-destruction was baked into the woke agenda from the start. The post-George Floyd left has taken upon itself to change society here and now . It doesn't matter if a person has the skills, it doesn't matter if the person meets the internal rules that selected winners, all that matters is equal outcomes across all who struggled previously. This is far more radical than the quotas and set-asides model of Jimmy Carter's 1970s Affirmative Action policies. The new model installs arbitrary winners/commanders and must quickly eat itself. 'Cause the winners ain't winners...
Woke bullying fails because it incoherently merges competitive and functional needs with social good feelings and happy endings for all. You simply can't compete (e.g., proven US citizens with clearances fighting spies and hostile foreign parties) and also have everyone win. The establishment somehow created hostile-but-taboo-to-criticize foreigners (e.g., China, many in Islam) and hostile-but-ok-to-scorn foreigners (e.g., Russia, Russia, Russia).
Use the rules to pick on the strangest violations, and most of the people in the federal agencies will go along. All it takes is a starting case and then others will fall. This may be the starting case.
"And Elon ducks down the hallway looking for a new thread."
A man in a coonskin cap in a pig pen wants 11 dollar bills--and you've only got 10.
Although 10 would be enough to by Twitter blue membership, but I'll just watch the waltz for free, 'neath a Panamanian moon.
"And Elon ducks down the hallway looking for a new thread.
"There's a man in coonskin cap in a pig pen--he wants 11 dollar bills--and you've only got 10."
Ten would be enough to buy a Twitter Blue membership, but I'll just watch the waltz for fre 'neath a Panamanian moon.
Maybe it’s time you cared about the origins of COVID 19, Althouse. You’ve been vastly incurious about this all along. Musk is trying to teach us about this by following the money. I would be very careful defending the reputation of Dr. Fauci.
Althouse said...We take the bait again and again.
I think the Fauci disciples that took the poison mRNA shots and believed his lies were the one's who actually "took the bait". So vested in his manipulation and cause that they support polluting children with the unnecessary mRNA poison. They've swallowed the "pronoun" debate (no pun intended) to the point where they now take little kids to see trannies pole dance for tips.
Now, all of a sudden we have a guy with fuck you money calling out some serious truths that are making liberals, the woke, the corrupt, and the Branch Covidians very uncomfortable.
It funny. People uncomfortable with Musk, (like Althouse??? I can't figure it out), are trying to dismiss him as a manipulator but are unable to dismiss him. There's a long list of elite esteemed company. Keith Olbermann, Robert Reich, Alexander Vindman, Elton John, Whoopie Goldberg, Jimmy Kimmel, Elizabeth Warren...
Perhaps it is both. His sincere beliefs that woke is a mind virus, Fauci is a criminal, and free speech is and important tenet to freedom is real. Just maybe he is a good man doing something about it. And it the meantime...he drives traffic to Twitter...forces a conversation on previously censored and taboo topics...and changes they dynamic like he has done with his other companies.
Better than leaving the debate to the liberal colleges and public schools where debate no longer exists.
Why are these things you have described happening on Twitter the way they are?
IMO, because the MSM and the institutions responsible for oversight/law enforcement have become politicized and aren't doing their jobs.
"it was flippant and seemed mean"
How so? It was on target and efficient, hitting two birds, fighting back against two powers that don't deserve their power.
"Saying something wrong — or 2 things wrong — becomes exactly right"
What's wrong? At the very least, we could take Elon seriously, not literally.
But the post illustrates what Elon is up against. Mean Elon! Don't be mean!
Bill R,
I've always known the sex of the squirrel I was looking at. He always had a pair of nuts and she was always looking for some.
How dare Musk state the truth.
Truth makes idiots lose their minds.
I do not like the pronouns, but I'll use them if people want.
My big worry is that I refuse to declare my pronouns, and this is becoming something people take offense at (I work in academia). To me, the pronouns are tantamount to declaring something about my sexuality to strangers and I think it's grossly inappropriate.
Another strange thing about the pronouns - they're third person pronouns. How will someone even know whether or not I am using their pronouns?
About Fauci I have no opinion. He can be wrong without being evil.
I'm glad Elon spoke so clearly about pronouns. People think, "Oh well we could just do it if it will make someone happy, even if I don't agree". But there is reason to push back
It becomes a circus. I watch shows about knitting on YouTube. For whatever reason, many knitters think they need to be very woke-forward.
Here is a host, holding up a picture of a pattern by a female knitwear designer. The designer's name is Caitlin, and she is well known. Yet the host will say "This is her design. Wait, I don't know their pronouns. This is their design". It over complicates everything. And seems pointless. Even if Caitlin is trans (she's not), she's gone to some lengths to at least present as femaie, so why can't the hose go with what she sees with her own two eyes? Because it might offend! It might lead to violence.
And then some designers don't want to say, oh this is a knitting pattern for men or this is for women. Because anyone might choose to wear it! But if I'm going to buy the pattern, I need to know what type of body it's going to fit. Imagine going into a store and having all the pants just intermixed with each other. How are these going to fit? At least, what type of body are they *designed* for?
It makes communication harder, and it feels like just a way to get people to jump through hoops.
DeSantis: "I am going to be working with @FLSurgeonGen to hold these vaccine manufacturers accountable. They made claims about the mRNA vaccine that wasn't true, and people were injured as a result."
Musk is opening doors to correct past wrongs that need to be addressed to we don't keep moving in this horrible direction.
Good for DeSantis. Good for Musk. For me...the vaccine is Trump's Achilles heel. Trump was right about everything else. Stopping the "vaccine" from being injected on innocent children is the number one issue.
Adults can make their own choices and mistakes. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, unhealthy food...mRNA boosters...
Now, it's getting complicated. Musk started the conversation — on 2 topics — with something so short it was flippant and seemed mean.
But, as he must have expected and intended, it stirred up a lot of action on Twitter, and that seems to be the whole idea of Twitter. Saying something wrong — or 2 things wrong — becomes exactly right, because everyone's got to speak up — tweet up — and tell you you're wrong and chide you for hurting a lot of vulnerable people and smearing a specific celebrity.
You are a bully Ann.
You subscribed to a system where elites and experts could talk down to and attack people that disagreed with them.
You get angry about mocking the pronoun bullshit and you can't even accept the mildest of mockery.
And if anyone says anything bad about Fauci you get immediately defensive.
Fauci helped develop COVID in a lab and he illegally sent US taxpayer dollars to China to do it.
Then Fauci used Twitter to cover up his illegal funneling of funds to China and censor the truth.
Jail is too good for Fauci.
You attacked people like me personally for opposing lock downs.
You need to deal with the fact that you were wrong Ann. You were wrong about the lock downs.
It is OK to be wrong in good faith.
It is not OK to attack the people who were right and to use the government to censor them and to hold on to your grudge.
OMG! A mean-seeming tweet. That suggests nothing he says should be read or seen or known, right? At least according to the rules of Twitter. Perhaps he should have fake information dumped on the public by his opponents, leading to years of investigations and destruction of trust in his administration of Twitter.
Elon loves you people. Take heart in that. I'm sure it's not a trick to get you to sign up for neuralink human trials.
Yes, Elon was flippant about pronouns, but he is far from the first to do so. I have seen a number of people who self-describe as "woke" be equally flippant. It is flippant or it is not - not better or worse because of what is actually said.
I was more interested in the Tweet from Scott Kelly. Does his identical twin brother, sitting US Senator Mark Kelly agree with his assessment? When Scott Kelly spent an entire, uninterrupted year in the space station, were there marginalized communities there and how did they interact? Did he volunteer to give up his slot to a member of a marginalized community who didn't get chosen to go into space/to the space station?
The pronouns at issue are used in conversation ABOUT someone, not WITH that someone. These are not first-person pronouns, they are third-person pronouns.
In other words, these "my pronouns are" people are insisting on controlling your language ABOUT them, when they are NOT around.
It's an obscene level of control: I insist you discuss me in THIS manner, when I am unlikely to EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
No, it's not "mean" to refuse such demands. It's demeaning to give in.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
And also inconsistent coming from you, Althouse, because I’ve been an on again off again reader for ten years and I’ve seen you be meaner than a cut snake on occasion. I guess you have your own calculus. “The gifts of the Almighty are weighed and parceled out in a scale peculiar to himself.” Cormac McCarthy in Blood Meridian
When people from the lower castes try to rise above their station and attack experts like Fauci Ann unconsciously sees this as an attack.
Only dirty ugly people mock the forced speech of demanded pronouns.
He's playing 3D chess and everyone else is playing Go Fish.
So, what has Musk said recently that’s been proven to be wrong?
Just asking for a friend…….
Musk's first tweet was flippant.
The second tweet was dead serious. And correct.
If Fauci was partly responsible for funding the 'gain of function' research that likely resulted in the COVID-19 virus he is terribly compromised in his professional capacity for all things related to COVID. He should not have been setting policy. He should not have been dissembling/lying to Congress.
Let us try out the following assertion: Fauci had a hand in funding a plague that has killed millions and caused trillions of dollars of economic losses. He then lied about. Should there be any consequences at all for such behavior? If not, why are we bothering to arrest anybody for any crime?
Now perhaps the assertion is true and perhaps the assertion is false. I, for one, would like to see the question adjudicated.
Mean? There's no amount of mean, short of torture (though don't tempt me), that would be inapt for Fauci.
Wikileaks' leak of Hillary's emails included one where this little twerp congratulated her on her "performance" in front of the House committee investigating Benghazi.
In what world does an NIH doctor know the ex-first lady/senator/SecState well enough to feel he has to pass on either purely political or heartfelt congratulations for lying to Congress?
Answer: a fetid swamp.
"gratuitously mean . . . cruelly neutral." How does a "cruelly neutral" perspective suss out either the meanness or the gratuitousness thereof? Just askin'.
Do you think maybe Musk has as of yet unreleased communications further implicating Fauci?
"And Elon ducks down the hallway looking for a new thread."
She says, ducking down the hallway herself, after re-rebaiting the hook. But that's fine, for both of them. I took the hook in the second case.
I'll just point out that mockery that's well-deserved isn't mean, and can be helpful, as it is in this case.
But the post illustrates what Elon is up against. Mean Elon! Don't be mean!
Repeal the 19th!
If you're in government or politics, "mean" comes with the job.
There's no getting away from it.
Fauci ought to be treated like anybody else in the public eye, not like some cute little pixieish fuzzball who can't be criticized.
He's ferocious when he wants to be, and turnabout is fair play.
But...is Musk correct?
Twitter trends aside. Was what he said factually incorrect? Or just inconvenient?
Cassandra lite has it exactly right above.
It's the only way you can get Progressives and their propaganda media to PAY ATTENTION to what the left ignores during TWITTERGATE. Otherwise there would be SILENCE. Elon is a genius.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/11/medias-silence-on-twitter-files-is-shameful/
I saw an interview with Musk where he talked of not looking for something totally knew but looking to see where the current wasn't being fully utilized. It was in the context of batteries and how Tesla had cut down the commodity and process costs.
Anyway, it seems Musk is doing similar with Twitter. He seems to be the only one to have a dictionary and know what "twit" means historically, which is to "to vex by bringing to notice, or reminding of, a fault, defect, misfortune," "upbraid, "taunt,". That's how people use Twitter, but they think they are engaging in real discourse to avoid facing their real behavior. Musk is taking advantage of most users willful blindness.
What keeps people on Twitter is the "hue and cry". Musk is just keeping the mobs exhausting themselves. Eventually, all but the worst will drop out because the thrill of the hunt is gone.
"Hue and cry (Law), a loud outcry with which felons were anciently pursued, and which all who heard it were obliged to take up, joining in the pursuit till the malefactor was taken"
My reaction, yesterday, was just "Yikes"
If my reaction had pronouns, they would be ho/hum.
Saying something wrong — or 2 things wrong
I’m missing the part where he said anything wrong. Of course, perhaps this is your version of baiting the hook and scurrying down the hall in search of a new thread.
- Krumhorn
(my preferred adjectives: brilliant/awesome)
Fascinating was largely responsible for the utter disaster that was the response to AIDS. He only became a patron Saint of the left when it could be useful to attack Trump through him.
There is nothing mean about the tweet. Only those who still believe (in the face of contrary evidence) that Fauci was not involved in the origin of this virus and in the poor government response would think this tweet is mean. Is it mean to suggest that a criminal should be locked up? The evidence suggests that Fauci illegally funded the research and his efforts to suppress discussion of government policy was a violation of the 1st amendment.
I have a similar situation in my neighborhood. My wife and I were assaulted by what I call "squeegee thugs" at a major intersection in our city. The polite term is "squeegee boys," even though most of them are young men. They run a shakedown operation, in which terrified drivers hand over money to have their windshield cleaned and not have their cars attacked. Waving them off has repeatedly led to violence, including the deadly shooting of a driver at the same intersection where we were attacked. I posted a report of the incident on the neighborhood FaceBook page to warn others. I was denounced by another neighbor (who got 20 likes) because I dared to use the allegedly racist term "thug." Since I had used this term, the neighbor concluded that I was obviously racist, and so he suspected that the whole incident was made up (apparently to indulge my supposed racist fantasies).
There are protected classes and people in our society and speaking the truth about them is not considered nice, and those who offend against niceness by speaking the truth must be silenced.
In my case, the neighbor was indignant that I refused to confess and repent at the on-line struggle session he had organized, and he assigned me extensive readings from various Internet sites so I could attend on-line reeducation camp.
I hope that Musk continues his truth telling.
Pronoun use is simple- if the person isn't present, I will use any damned pronoun for him/her that I feel like using, and if you correct me, I will just continue to use any pronoun I wish- I don't fucking care what you think, and if you continue to correct me, then I will tell you flat out to fuck off and die. Face to face isn't an issue- I will use whatever name you choose to give me, but the pronoun form I will use to your face is "you and your"- you don't get to correct me or force me to use some other exotic form, and rather than "he/she, him/her" talking to a third party, I will just default to the name which is what I have always done since I first learn to speak.
Does Fauci have a security clearance? I'm sure he does.
Was the research in question classified? If so, why? Was it bioweapons research or vaccine research? It probably had applications for both.
Maybe Fauci can't talk about it. Not that he would want to...in light of recent unfortunate events.
For being an astronaut, Kelly is such a huge pussy.
Is it possible to pander any more?
My reaction to Musk is the same as the Reverend Mother Superior's to Paul:
"Get out of my mind!"
I do wish MSM writers and blabbers would cease with the "during the pandemic" or "because of the pandemic" phrases - e.g. the plague of rats in NYC began during the pandemic when restaurants closed and no longer put waste food in the dumpsters so rats began invading residential areas."
Restaurants, schools, businesses, venues, etc. closed because of GOVERNMENT, the public persona of which was Dr. Fauci.
Let's be clear. Congress banned the funding of gain of function research as too dangerous. Fauci skirted the law by laundering the funds through a company. He denied it was GOF research in front of congress. That money went to the Wuhan lab. Good chance it contributed to the covid virus. New documents found in Chinese show that there was a containment accident in November 2019, funds allocated for new air handling equipment, people sent to hospital from the lab. It for sure came from there. Fauci also attacked and shut down scientists who had questions about the vaccine, claimed the vaccine would 100% protect you (false) and prevent transmission (false), claimed masks would be effective (false), fought against policies that focused on protecting vulnerable populations (elderly, immune-compromised), denied that there could be adverse consequences of lockdowns, denied access to data on side-effects, and discouraged work on treatment (only vaccines were allowed). All of these had consequences.
Must is broaching the topic of accountability.
JK Brown,
You are of course right about "twit." The first time I saw it in print was in Shakespeare (Henry VI part 3, IIRC) where several unsavory characters combine to stab another, and the Duke of Clarence shouts "And there's for twitting me with perjury!" -- which was, of course, a true charge.
Steven,
If your neighbor was complaining that you were describing the squeegee, er, people as members of an Indian sect devoted to secret assassination, she might possibly have a point, if she can prove that thugee was not involved. Otherwise, she ought to lie down and consult a dictionary.
What's actually happening is that when she sees "thug," she immediately thinks "Black people."
At this moment in time, the LGBTQ 'community' is the least marginalized group in the United States and most of the western world.
@Althouse, you , of all people, have no standing to complain about Musk, or anyone else, bring “mean.”
please don’t mock and promote hate toward already marginalized and at-risk-of-violence members of the #LGBTQ+ community.
Sigh. Was he mocking? Was Musk promoting hate? How and where exactly? Kelly is virtue signaling. "Look everyone! Look how much I care about alphabet people! If someone parodies pronoun insanity must engage in public White Nightery!"
And in the year 2022 how much is this community(tm) marginalized? What would happen to anyone who publicly refuses to Affirm or heck Bake the Cake?
I'm getting real tired of this So Much Victim rhetoric.
We are probably doomed. The very fact that people are stating that "hate" leads to violence seems to justify violence in the mind of some. And give them a sense that they are part of a group, a sense of belonging. A reduction in alienation. Somehow the message needs to be that committing physical violence is wrong and that words are simply words and there is a wall of separation between the two concepts.
It added nothing rational and was therefore gratuitously mean.
The "It" here was not mean unless you disagree with Musk (and Jordan Petersen for that matter) that "it" is acceptable even if "it" compels speech from others. Compelled speech is mean and it is very rational to push back against "it".
Steven said...
I do not like the pronouns, but I'll use them if people want.
I don't cater to mental illness unless to defuse a potentially violent situation. And yes, been there, done that- but it wasn't pronouns. More like "Everyone's out to get me!" type mental instability.
That's it. Musk has insulted science, infectious disease and those people with identities. But how dare anyone insult infectious disease
Emory ID
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This is antithetical to what we stand for, insulting science, infectious disease, and people with trans/nonbinary identities who suffer from enough stigma. ID programs should strongly consider leaving this space permanently if this is not taken down
Ask yourself this to judge your own actions vs. words and beliefs regarding Fauci.
In 2020 and 2021 did you get the first two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA shot. After that did you follow up on the Fauci and Democrat recommended boosters or did you choose to no longer obey and participate? Did you choose to join the "unvaccinated" heretics?
For me, a person who has taken zero mRNA shots, this makes no sense. Unless...after the first two shots you realized the mRNA might just be bullshit. Perhaps more than bullshit. Dangerous bullshit.
If Fauci is infallible, why not continue with his booster recommendations? Simply because you can now travel without it? Do you REALLY BELIEVE these politicians taking the shot in front of the camera were really taking the shot...or being injected with benign saline?
If you're a Fauci fan, words to protect him and defend you past beliefs are one thing. Actions to follow through are another. I'm sure there are plenty of adult liberals who have abandoned the shots and boosters...but still support pushing it on children.
I like Donald Trump. But when it comes to getting the mRNA shot because he said so...he can go fuck himself. I'm pretty confident the large majority of the "unvaccinated" are MAGA voters. That's why we're not sheeple nor disciples.
If you're making special demands about how people address you, you aren't vulnerable.
Tell me to use your pronouns, you become invisible, I tune you out. No time for people who are not sane. Fauci is a criminal, should be up on mass murder charges. Musk is doing the right thing and making money while doing it.
I was grammatically offended: neither was a pronoun.
It depends what mean means.
What does it mean? "Prosecute Fauci" seems a reasonable demand from a citizen after our experience of the last few years, and seeing what's come to light about Fauci's activities.
Casually mocking a pop trend like "pronouns" is another thing one can reasonably do.
Nothing mean that I can see about either one singly or combined.
Any pushback against woke bullshit is countered with "hate" and "promoting violence".
Methinks they project too much. They are really invested in a binary.
Ann did you go to the local bait shop to buy this can of worms or did you dig them up in your own yard? Enquiring minds want to know.
Mary,
Binary of their righteous opinion but everyone else's scary "hate".
>In 2020 and 2021 did you get the first two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA shot.
Yes. Not sure if I regret it in the abstract. But, so far, I don't seem to have suffered any ill effects. And, in blue Massachusetts (and semi-blue New Hampshire and, for occasional visits, super-blue Illinois), there were tons of obstacles to doing anything if you didn't. Not clear, but I may still have to flash the "vaccination" card to see some shows in Chicago later this month (if I don't get gunned down on the street on the way).
One bright spot, I went to a pub on Lincoln Avenue in Chicago last year on the way to a theater a bit further down. The bartender, almost certainly the owner, didn't seem to give a shit about the mask mandate then currently in effect. Ditto for another server that I think was his son.
>>After that did you follow up on the Fauci and Democrat recommended boosters or did you choose to no longer obey and participate?
Haven't seen any good reason to get any of the so-called "boosters." No issues to date other than keeping my mouth shut among the true believers.
--gpm
"Not awesome imo." is not a fragment. The subject and predicate are "understood" based on the previous sentence. But, it should have had a comma after "awesome".
Gusty Winds (Elon Musk Fanboy) said...
Ask yourself this to judge your own actions vs. words and beliefs regarding Fauci.
In 2020 and 2021 did you get the first two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA shot. After that did you follow up on the Fauci and Democrat recommended boosters or did you choose to no longer obey and participate? Did you choose to join the "unvaccinated" heretics?
In 2020 I signed up to be in one of the test groups for the vaccine at my wife's company when she was a nurse.
Early 2021 I had no need to be vaccinated and was going to wait until it was more widely available or even better catch Covid and ride it out.
It was August 2021 my daughter tested positive for Covid and everyone in the house got sick. I coughed for a few days, didn't go to the gym for 2 weeks and worked from home.
After that point there was no reason for any of us to get vaccinated.
When the mandates came down I told my employer flat out they were going to give me an accommodation or fire me. They gave me an accommodation. They also dropped the mandate the day before it was going to go active.
Now I am watching military age people suffering 12 sigma increases in all cause mortality.
Even worse are the massive miscarriage rates.
It looks like the mRNA "vaccines" are going to be a solid paragraph and maybe a column in middle school history books that contain lines about considering the death penalty for lying drug company executives.
Gotta be sensitive to your reeducation betters.
Or else.
Or else you lose everything because they have the power and can destroy you over speech.
But that's not fascist, right?
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