Straight-out misogyny from Matt Gaetz:
Gaetz is himself a millennial — he's 39 — so what can account for his creepy nastiness? Was he under-educated, over-loved, and excessively catered-to by his happy wife Ginger Luckey, and too easily accepted on that Seeking Arrangements website? I don't know. I'm just trying to keep up with his free-wheeling, hilarious approach to the psychoanalysis of people he loathes.
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"so what can account for his creepy nastiness?"
Endless prog ad hominems? Just guessing.
Matt is an embarrassment to our party. Still better than the loons on the other side. We have a big tent.
Sorry, I lost track of what you were saying at "Ginger Luckey."
If he were on a stage, would you tackle him?
If that tweet is misogyny, I have seen far more of the opposite (misandry?) from women on that forum.
I honestly hope that the Sup Ct justices have a good security detail. It's only a matter of time before they're targeted. The anger and bitter hatred from the Left is constantly getting more unhinged.
We're sorry, ladies. You lost this one. Forgive us our concern for innocent children.
asking a question about portion of representative population is misogyny?
Professora - that is definitely going overboard.
why not make an argument to base post-Roe freedom to choose on constitutional expertise which is your claimed forte!
I would hope to successfully resurrect [breathe new life] 9A
Geez, it's weird how some women get the sense that men who want to outlaw abortion have no sympathy or compassion for them.
Gaetz here lends credence to the argument, "We need the Supreme Court to protect us from assholes like this having power over us."
Term Paper Assignment: Compare and contrast the tweets of Matthew Gaetz and AOC in their free-wheeling, hilarious approach to the psychoanalysis of people [they] loathe.
I don't see misogyny. It's anti-cat though.
Meh. After what the left has called us for the last 7 years, I don't give a shit anymore. We live in an upside down world. EVERYBODY is nuts.
He's not wrong. And I'm guessing quite few. Along with post menopausal yentas whos husbands live in fear of them and are quietly waiting to die.
Repeal the 19th.
Gaetz may be innocent of the smears against him last year, and he may be appropriately angry about what the left did to him, but he's also a creepy guy.
Gaetz tries to give better than he gets.
In between leftwing harassment and inquisitions.
Misogyny="Anything I disagree with."
Gaetz is the type of guy for whom I could definitely set aside the areas where we agree to vote against him.
Dunno. All my female relatives from home are like that, exactly like that. They were beautiful and accomplished, and they enjoyed themselves, and now it's too late. They see my grandchildren and they're sorry they made those choices - they tell me so.
Human beings aren't that good at making healthy choices. Potential pregnancy used to be a big sobering thought that helped people do sensible things with their lives.
Effective birth control changed that, and so did easy abortion.
I know no one wants to go back, but there was a big downside that no one wants to admit. And no one wants anyone else to mention, so they'll be angry at Matt Gaetz for expressing it so graphically and harshly.
Misogyny? MISOGYNY!
It's all the left has.
Too much partisanship makes us stupid.
I'll grant you it's crude and tasteless, and inappropriate coming from a Congressperson, but misogynistic? Not so sure.
He likely has data on the demographic groups who voted against him, such as: single, female, urban, late-stage reproductive fertility. He has nothing to lose politically, as they didn't vote for him previously.
Crude comments follow from his lack of fearing the consequences.
The left, especially women on the left, have taken to calling young alt right men "incels" so I have no problem turning the insult back on them. And it works because there's some truth to it: a lot of millennial women in their mid thirties spent their youth and fertile years in the corporate or ngo/political churn and are now shocked to discover that they're no longer a hot commodity. And like the incels they've focused that frustration into radical politics.
Sounds like a good question to me. You are having a hissy fit. Calm down.
Might not be very nice but from seeing pictures of protestors, he is on point. It would have been really uncouth if he said that there is zero chance most of those protesting would ever get pregnant as no man would ever touch them
Welcome to America 2022. This is typical of today's political dialogue. Matt Gaetz is an idiot and one is obligated to despise him, but what he said is no worse than the rest of what you can read online (or in the old legacy media) everyday.
Look at the protests.
Rich white girls with some simps sprinkled in.
They cannot support roe with reason or logic and their arguments are incoherent blabbering.
They think that they should be able to yell and scream like petulant whiny babies until they get their way. Soon they will start burning things.
It is time that you coddled brats faced the truth about what you are and what you are trying to impose on the rest of us.
You don’t want to read the 9th and 10th amendments. Fine. We are going to be calling you out for what you are.
Ann Althouse said...
"Straight-out misogyny from Matt Gaetz"
What bullshit! Matt Gaetz pretty clearly *loves* women. The great word maven of Althouse Blog should look up the definition of "misogyny" before choosing to throw it around at any man she doesn't like who says *anything* about women. In this case with Gaetz, something sardonic and likely spot on specifically about that subset of women - empty, unhappy fourth wave feminists.
He’s absolutely right.
Your Marxist feminism, prof, has created two generations of incredibly miserable, lonely young women.
Your evil ideology works for the 5% who aspire to top echelon positions.
It’s a moral, spiritual, financial and emotional disaster for rest.
You’ve really made a terrible mess out of things.
This insult stings because the stereotype is accurate.
Elated to see people on the right finally openly expressing contempt for their enemies, and jeering at them when they lose. It has been one-sided forever. Now that’s finally over.
It used to be if you called a conservative a misogynist, or a racist, or anything of the sort, they would immediately crumple up and apologize for existing. That’s the old Republican model, and it’s pathetic, and it means accepting defeat and being a loser every time. That’s over. No more apologies for your enemy’s hurt feelings. The goal is to defeat them. They won’t like that. They aren’t supposed to. And when they respond with self pitying insults, claiming victim status, laughing in their faces is the right response. Their magic words don’t work anymore.
Matt Gaetz is a groomer.
It's not about Gaetz. He is saying exactly what your carefully curated conservative clients are thinking. Be sure to exit through the Althole Amazon Porthouse.
All the hair dye and activism in the world won't solve what a good relationship can solve.
Then comes the future, and responsibility, and building skills and being realistic about how little and how much you might matter.
To the tiny minority of true innovators, and creators, you might be better served by a default conservatism. Human ignorance, true belief and corruption ain't going anywhere.
They were beautiful and accomplished, and they enjoyed themselves, and now it's too late. They see my grandchildren and they're sorry they made those choices
Exactly. My middle daughter was a Bernie bro and did not think she would ever have children. Three years ago, at age 40, she had a beautiful daughter. She says it changed her life. She loves being a mother and is now thinking about having another at 43. She is a bit afraid but my mother was 40 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born. It helps that her daughter is beautiful and a "muffin baby."
“Sounds like a good question to me. You are having a hissy fit. Calm down.”
Speaking of misogyny…
JPS nailed it at 11:25.
Gaetz couldn't have crafted a better Tweet for the left to use. The gift that keeps on giving!
Gaetz is incorrect about the cat thing. Now they're all "dog moms" with rescue pibbles that they don't train properly.
If he had said, "How many of these women are happily-married mothers?", would that have been misogyny? You seem to have fallen into the sloppy habits of the Left. Any negative comment about a woman -- or group of women -- is misogyny.
It is certainly notable that a large proportion of the people most exercised about the "right" to kill their babies are unlikely to ever have another. I thought Warren would have a stroke! Certainly, she's more likely to have a stroke than a baby.
He's anti-cat. Screw him.
I’m just happy they’re all wearing masks….
If insulting cat ladies is misogynistic then the word has lost all meaning.
Apparently accusing a man of rape, or having sex with a minor, is fine, but describing women as lonely, frustrated and unfulfilled is strictly out of bounds.
My dream life is to live alone with cats, a trusty Irish wolfhound, and a big garden, on the shores of Lake Wanaka in New Zealand with a good cook for a friendly a neighbor.
Now.
No woman must be made to feel bad about, or responsible for, anything, ever.
Gaetz's comment is impolitic and even nasty, but it is not misogynistic.
The real question is whether there is a positive correlation between ailurophilia and pedophobia? My money is on yes, and I'll bet both are also correlated with being "spiritual" rather than religious.
So I guess comments about white boys playing fortnite in their parents’ basements counts as straight-out misandry.
Pretty low bar.
both left and right are losing their minds and getting nasty on this issue.
Place it with the states. If the "right" go to far with banning it, the democrats will benefit.
if the left go too far with legalizing up until birth Gosnellian style - the people will need to put a stop to it.
At 67 I have several Facebook friends from HS on my feed. The women complaining about the decision have an average number of children less than 1. My HS pretty much consisted of upper middle class whites, with some of us on the lower end of the middle class economic scale.
Actually, with 5 children, my wife and I are outliers for people born in the 50s who aren't Mennonite or Amish. The town we live in now is in ruralville. median household income about $47,000, average per capita $24,000 compared to the state as a whole. $68,000/$33,000. One other couple our age we know with 5. Younger couples? None with more than 2- unless they're Amish or Mennonite. My next door neighbors are up to an even dozen.
The education establishment has done an outstanding job convincing students for the last 40-50 years that they mustn't have more than 2 children to avoid overpopulating the Earth.
I'm a little surprised how tall Matt Gaetz is in real life. I mean, he’s a little fellow, but not circus-midget little, as his reputation would suggest.
why Is it, that so many of the vocal pro-choice people are postmenopausal ?
Is it Projection? or what?
Of course, NOW there are New Groups of pro-choice people
The lesbians.. Who are ardently pro-choice (and who would Never let a penis near them)
The queers.... Who DON'T HAVE WOMBS
i don't get those.. Of Course, i also don't get the straight cis-males; marching with signs saying:
If you aren't a woman, your opinion doesn't matter!!!
???
Matt Gaetz "Allegedly" did something bad.
Well? Allegedly? says who?
You’ve projected that Gaetz loathes somebody, Althouse.
I loathe your evil ideology, but I don’t loathe you. In fact, I rather like you and admire you in some respects.
I have three sisters, so I do recognize your manipulative, drama queen tactics. You are just adept at the egghead version, but it’s no different.
Feminism is the drama queen theater of rich white women like you. Always has been. The poor oppressed leaders have always been rich, spoiled white women. You were one of the first identity politics pretenders. All the others are descended from you. You’ve been pretending now for 50 or 60 years that you have some kind of bitch. You never did. It was always just bullshit.
Like Ice Nine says, one can love women and still call whiny white yelling protesting women "over-educated and under loved."
I'd guess the facts are (using "protesters" but could also restrict to millennials):
a) avg educational level of protesters is higher than national average (or age adjusted national average), thus "over-educated" is true.
b) avg number of married protesters is less than (age adjusted) avg number of married women nationally.
b2) avg number of sexual intercourse sessions by protesters is less than (adj.) avg women nationally. Thus (b or b2) "underloved", also true. [is there a better factual measure of underloved?]
Neither Gaetz, nor reality, is showing misogyny - hatred of women.
Abortion kills an innocent human fetus. It does allow hot young women to have as much sex as they want, with hot and/or rich guys, on a more equal basis.
But biology is not equal, and equal promiscuous sex without kids in peoples' 20s does not lead to equal life satisfaction in their 50s.
Looking at the last few decades of annual March for Life protests, most of those protesters are women, more often married with kids ("overloved"? "undereducated"?). The pro-abortion folk more often insult such women - but I suspect you, Ann, haven't focused on insulting but likely-true characterizing of anti-abortion women as misogyny. Nor on likely-false insults.
Roe has always been bad, unconstitutional law.
The USA will be better when states, democratically, decide the rules of abortion within their jurisdiction. Like the Constitution clearly states (10th ammendment):
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The feminist, and masculinist, who brayed baby... fetus... "burden" for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes.
He's just tweeting that BECAUSE AOC IS SO HOT!
The most popular pet in the US? It's the cat.
All sorts of people LIKE cats - men, women, kids...
Dogs are also very popular - but not as popular as the kitty. (numbers wise)
Why Goezt thought that was a good idea to tweet this insult? - well my opinion of him is now shrinking. Shrinkage.
oh and "The crazy cat lady" sneer - get new material. Tired. Lame.
"Of Course, i also don't get the straight cis-males; marching with signs saying:
If you aren't a woman, your opinion doesn't matter!!!"
A 'woman'? Is that a biologist in your pocket or what?
I would be more considerate of this, if there was some even-handed treatment of similar misogynistic / misandristic / misanthropic diatribes from Progressives, when they occur. Because many of them put Gaetz's oafism to shame, many of them wishing a horrible death on the target. I would say that's more than a little more offensive than wishing someone a night alone with a frozen dinner.
Have an honest debate on the abortion issue? Nah!
Look there's rabbit!
+1 to Andrew at 11:24am
It doesn't take much of a search to find countless articles over the past 4 years talking about a study from 2000 to 2018 that showed fewer young people were having less casual sex. Access to abortion is hardly a concern for a generation that isn't having sex. Polls up to last week prove this, but sure, because Roe was overturned, let's go back to old style feminism and call everything misogyny. It worked to get us Roe the first time, right?
The difference is: most people on the Gaetz's side admit that he is needlessly combative and says stupid shit a lot. I have yet to see a lefty same the same thing about Swallwell or AOC.
Let's unpack it all:
I think he is right that a large number of women (and people in general) are over-educated in the sense that they paid more for their education than it is worth. If this were not true, there wouldn't be a push for cancelling student debts from the people Gaetz is talking about. So, point 1 for Gaetz.
Do married women support abortion less than unmarried women? I think every single poll I have ever seen says this assertion is true. So, point 2 for Gaetz.
Are women who support abortion more likely to own cats? I have no idea- it appears to not have been a topic for any poll I have ever seen. So, no points for Gaetz or his detractors.
Are women who support abortion more likely to eat microwave dinners? Again, I have seen no data supporting or negating this assertion. So, no points for either side.
Gaetz 2, Gaetz haters 0.
Matt is the GOP answer to Eric Swalwell.
Apparently, Gaetz hit a little too close to home for some.
His tweet was certainly unkind and dumb, but words mean things. If this qualifies as misogyny, then the word loses meaning and over time any utility.
There is nothing in this tweet that demonstrates: "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."
Indeed, his tweet is aimed not at women as a category but at only those women protesting over the likely overturning of Roe. I'm going to guess that he likes the women protesting in support of the overturning of Roe just fine.
Inga said...
“Sounds like a good question to me. You are having a hissy fit. Calm down.”
Speaking of misogyny…
Women are totes equal. Strong and powerful. Up for all the challenges that men face. Just whatever you do, I demand that you not say hissy fit. You meanie-something-phobe!
Crybullies, unite!
"He is saying exactly what your carefully curated conservative clients are thinking. Be sure to exit through the Althole Amazon Porthouse."
Zing!
It's called a humorous observation.
Comedy is based on truth.
If you don't know women like this then you don't get out very much.
I live near Berkeley, and that city is crawling with women (and men and xers) who fit his description.
They're nosy scolds whose mission in life is to tell other people what to do.
They're real and they're evil.
Gaetz is an asshole, but he's not wrong...
"Matt is an embarrassment to our party. Still better than the loons on the other side. We have a big tent."
That is really what you think Mike? Everyone who doesn't agree with MAGA on anything is by definition a RINO and hence outside the tent. A straight-arrow Republican who thinks Trump lost in 2020 isn't allowed in the tent. A congresswoman and daughter of a former conservative VP who thinks that what happened on Jan 6 is a bit troubling is kicked out of the tent. As for Matt, his spot is the very center of the tent where his tongue can lick Trump's asshole.
The Ghost of Kiev is a cat person.
'Along with post menopausal yentas whos husbands live in fear of them and are quietly waiting to die.'
It's an old joke:
Why do husbands usually die before their wives?
Because they want to.
"why Is it, that so many of the vocal pro-choice people are postmenopausal ?
Is it Projection? or what?"
They've had abortions. If abortion is killing, they're killers. Try living with that for forty years.
Misogyny is men swimming against women.
Gaetz's characterizations shame his oath of office by belittling the free speech he swore to protect.
Blogger Inga said...
“Sounds like a good question to me. You are having a hissy fit. Calm down.”
Speaking of misogyny…
The snowflake speaks out !
Laughing at the idea of a woman becoming a constitutional law professor would be misogyny. This tweet appears to be a case of being an asshole in response to other people behaving like assholes. I guess I'm one of those people who don't automatically hold men to a higher standard than their female counterparts.
I dunno. Suspect he’s on to something. Think it’s maybe you, ma’m
Tag: Misogyny Bullshit
Ann, are you hitting on Matt?
I understand he's really shy.
John LGKTQ Henry
"Truth hurts but it doesn't kill. Lies may please but they don't heal."
If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.
- Camille Paglia
That gets the "feminism" tag at Althouse, but Gaetz generalizing about a subset of women is guilty of "straight-out misogyny."
I think Gaetz was going for the genre of comedy called, "funny because true"--this needs to be said in a Yakov Smirnoff voice. In this case, not funny, because true in a way which is embarrassing.
Which somehow reminds me of this chesnut: How many feminists does it take to screw-in a lightbulb?
Answer: That's not funny!
I smell civility bullshit.
"why Is it, that so many of the vocal pro-choice people are postmenopausal?"
Because that generation grew up in the time when the pill did not yet exist, and extramarital pregnancy was still disastrous. My older sister has harrowing tales of her friends in high school who got "knocked up", and had illegal abortions. She insists that her daughter, and grand-daughter, and great-grand-daughter, must never have to go through that. They don't seem all that exercised about it. Maybe because they have my sister to help raise the children they have with the men who won't marry them.
@MichaelK "Three years ago, at age 40, she had a beautiful daughter." Wow. That's hard. I was way too tired when I was 40. When I was 30, having a kid was like the limits of my strength. You don't sleep.
A straight-arrow Republican who thinks Trump lost in 2020 isn't allowed in the tent. A congresswoman and daughter of a former conservative VP who thinks that what happened on Jan 6 is a bit troubling is kicked out of the tent. As for Matt, his spot is the very center of the tent where his tongue can lick Trump's asshole.
Lefties consider conservatives as another mysterious species. Periodically, they go on anthropology tours to examine these strange creatures. Nothing like them is seen in New York or San Francisco or Portland or Chicago. The majority of Wyoming Republicans are not fond of the Virginia resident who purports to represent them and whose support in Wyoming is mostly Democrats. That bothers you a lot. I can see why. The old lies are not working these days.
Did he hit a nerve? As far as I can tell, though, you are not a millennial, so I don't think it was aimed at you. You don't strike me as a cat person, either, but I haven't been reading your blog that long. :-)
"How many of the PEOPLE rallying against overturning Roe are over-educated, under-loved millennials who sadly return from protests to a lonely microwave dinner with their cats, and no bumble matches?"
There... I fixed it for you. Still see misogyny?
I talked about families I know earlier, and how the number of kids per family for most is not at replacement values. Failed to mention there a lot of unmarried never married women in the area with 3 or more children, all half siblings, no husbands or fiancé's or even boyfriends involved. Instead, a series of baby daddies, who may or may not have any emotional attachment to their bastards. Most of them don't work- they're being financially supported by me, my children, and other taxpayers, all being f-----d by them without any sex being involves. Apparently there's a large group of women who don't believe in either birth control nor abortion not marriage but are okay with taxpayer funded child rearing. If you want to call what they do child rearing.
Got busy for a while and just looked at my Facebook feed. The same old tired arguments for universal abortion at any time- But what if the child is discovered to have birth defects? Has an untreatable deadly genetic disease? No one has dared yet dais "Has Down's syndrome?" though I know it's the great fear of older white women. Sarah Palin is not a role model for them.
And then- the ultimate line that I knew the poster didn't believe- "Only the parents should have a say!" As if the sperm donor had any say...
Most of us are okay with safe, legal, rare. Raped? It rewards the rapist if a woman is forced to give birth. Some do choose to keep the child because it is not the child's fault. I'm okay with using Nelson's blind eye to look for abortions in case of rape. In case of a genetic problem or other medical problems that will likely result in an an early death for the child if born? I'm okay with a woman making the decision to abort for those. "Damn it, my boyfriend just broke up with me and now my life is going to be ruined if I have that baby in two weeks! I want an abortion!" Tough crap, should have thought about that about 8½ months ago when you had unprotected sex with your boyfriend who you weren't married to. Your life isn't going to be ruined- it's going to be changed. Whether you abort or carry on for two more weeks.
He's just doing the Right-wing version of the standard female liberal "No one will have sex with you, you ugly/white male/Republican".
Crazy lonely cat ladies on the Left
Ugly lonely Loser incels on the Right
Gaetz likes women young. Recall [according to witnesses] he had sex with a 17 year old. So any women over the age of 21 and of the liberal persuasion - in his mind - are lonely women who eat microwave dinners. It's also easier for him to negatively label an entire subset of women he doesn't like than it is to debate facts with them. I expect this from college students not from congressmen.
Ok guys. Fair warning. When you say stuff like Gaetz says you are making an impression. So say it only when you know your audience or don't care. Probably the latter because you probably don't know your audience.
He forgot parallel parking. Rookie mistake.
Straight out correct, in both ways. For some reason post-menopausal 45-55 white women turned into insane liberals, even at the expense of their mostly white children.
Twitter is a poor platform for eloquence. But probably proper given the current state of sarcastic scolding in America. But then Gaetz is a pretty-boy politician, such are not known for their educated putdowns.
Gone are the days exemplified below where indirectness creates far better putdowns
"My Dear modern Novelist:
You have recently given pleasure to the public by picturing what you would do if you were a teacher of English. Your sketch is racy, persuasive and true to life.
...
"Yet your patent truthfulness will be misunderstood in the strangest way--a way which a novelist, unaccustomed to the perverting power of literal minds, would never suspect. Some thousands of teachers and superintendents and pedagogical experts will apply your merriment to the whole body of actual teachers in actual schools; they will pass on to one another the glad message that M. N. advises all teachers to discard grammar in all schools."
Poking Fun At Grammar, C.H. Ward, 1922, Scibner’s Magazine
http://www.archive.org/stream/scribnersmag71editmiss#page/228/mode/2up
jim5301: "Everyone who doesn't agree with MAGA on anything is by definition a RINO and hence outside the tent."
Hilariously and transparently false moronic opening assertion.
Everything that follows can be safely ignored.
No doubt jim5301 is one of the vast majority of democraticals that STILL believe Putin changed vote totals in 2016 to install Trump.
68% of democraticals still believe just that.
And also...
Thanks to Althouse for this free speech comments section.
It's the only one I read from top to bottom.
I would assume Katie Hill, the former member of congress who resigned after her relationship with a staffer was revealed, Would be a likely person to protest the decision. I wonder if Matt Gaetz remembers that she came to his defense when people were accussing him of having an inappropriate relationship with his "son" Nestor. One of the people who has struck the right tone when arguing against abortion rights was actually Kanye West. He talked about the need to support pregnant women so they don't feel the fear and anxiety that would drive them to want an abortion. And while I think Matt Gaetz's goal was to mock and ridicule his hypothetical woman does touch on this point. She would be more likely to feel fear and anxiety because she isn't married. She doesn't have a husband who can support her during the pregnancy and afterwards with childcare. She also doesn't have any children already so having a child is a lot more of an unknown to her in regards if she can handle it.
Rusty said...
He's not wrong. And I'm guessing quite few. Along with post menopausal yentas whos husbands live in fear of them and are quietly waiting to die.
***********
Old joke:
Question: Why do husbands so frequently die six years before their spouse?
Answer: Because they can.
baddabish
See, if these young women would only expand their ideological horizons and watch Tucker Carlson on Fox New they'd have a Tovala Smart Oven, not a microwave, that would let them fit in a conference call or a workout before dinner at the swipe of a QR code.
Unfortunately, Gaetz hit the nail on the head. All you have to do is look at the videos of the Supreme Court protesters yesterday. Maybe these days you're not supposed to say what he said, or say it the way he said it, but those are different issues. Go an any "abortion-rights" protest, and you'll notice that 3/4ths of the female protesters stand no chance of ever having to consider an abortion. Major urban cities are clogged with those females: sad-sack women in their 30s walking their dogs.
I'm not sure what a microwave dinner is. The microwave is the usual heat source for me, but what I cook isn't TV dinner fare, that is, everything cooked at once and opened and eaten.
Mostly what I cook is water for coffee, but also frozen veggies and frozen chicken.
And no, it shouldn't be up to the States.
You shouldn't be able to kill your child based on a line on a map.
The fact you would even want to shows how far you've fallen from humankind.
"Straight-out misogyny from Matt Gaetz:"
Wait a minute. Doesn't Althouse like to parse headlines and contents and explore them? This has been an aspect of her blogging which has taught me careful reading can be rewarding.
"Straight-out misogyny from Matt Gaetz" seems like a cursory, knee-jerk reaction.
He asked a question.
"How many of the women rallying against overturning Roe are over-educated, under-loved millennials who sadly return from protests to a lonely microwave dinner with their cats, and no bumble matches?"
Do we have any idea how many there are? One? One percent? 30%? 50%? More?
Is the question snarky or nasty? Certainly could be read that way. It implies that some unknown number of women "rallying against overturning Roe" might be women whose only shot at pregnancy is to get knocked up by someone who isn't at all interested in "partnering". Of course women like this might have an interest in abortion rights, whether or not it is their choice to avoid "partnering". Is this worth discussing?
Once upon a time, if I remember correctly, Althouse suggested that men uninterested in marriage should avoid sex. Seems to me this restricts a woman's choice of men as well as mens' choices. And maybe thank god for women who favor abortion rights.
Do we know that some will go home "to a lonely microwave dinner"? Does it matter? Why or why not?
This seems to me like a more Althousean response than instant dismissal. One might still conclude Gaetz's tweet is misogyny or irrelevancy, but it would not quite sound so contemptuous.
"over educated and under loved"
that would make a funny saying on a t-shirt.
Gunner said...
The difference is: most people on the Gaetz's side admit that he is needlessly combative and says stupid shit a lot. I have yet to see a lefty same the same thing about Swallwell or AOC.
5/4/22, 12:53 PM
THIS ^^^^
What's that old saw about bombers and flak?
"oh and "The crazy cat lady" sneer - get new material. Tired. Lame."
Shut up, you crazy cat lady.
Misogyny?
One of Dave Chappelle's bits last night was a story about going to court recently to get a restraining order against some guy who has been stalking outside Dave's house. He walked into the room and it was full of women, some weeping, many with black eyes. Under his breath, he said, "apparently, they don't listen"
It took about two beats before anyone figured out what he had said. It was extremely funny.
I wonder if it was misogynistic that he said it and/or misogynistic that 18,000 people laughed?
- Krumhorn
He was asking how many? He wasn't saying they all were. If you inferred it, it wasn't because he implied it.
"I live near Berkeley, and that city is crawling with women (and men and xers) who fit his description.
They're nosy scolds whose mission in life is to tell other people what to do.
They're real and they're evil."
I'm in front of Home Depot in Irvine and some guy is loading a bunk of plywood in the back of his pickup.
This lady shows up with her hands on her hips and demands, "Why do you need a big truck like that? Don't you know you're ruining the environment!" And the guy says, "This truck here?" She says' "Yeah. Your huge smelly truck!"
"Lady. I got this truck just to piss you off."
Of course It didn't help that I laughed out loud.
Even if many of them were (and not saying this is the case), it would’ve make them wrong.
It’s the flip side of the equally dumb take that any man with a position I don’t like is an uncle loser with a tiny penis.
Shouting Thomas:
You really piss me off the way you personally attack Althouse. Unfair.
What professor althouse doesn't realize, calling people as a group (and not to stereotype any one person) literally crazy, isn't misogynist. My wife is nearly 50, and pretty much all of her friends between 45-55 years old have lost their gourd so to speak. Many got divorced because their husbands couldn't take it any more. I can't explain it other than menopause, kids grown up, don't like sex, need a cause. Its like there is a button that happens to upper-middle class white women that they go crazy at around 45. Maybe its a Gen-X thing.
Straight-out misogyny
Since when did an attack on some women constitute an attack on all?
i kinda like the Andrew Breitbart - "Fuck You, War" approach. They started it and we're gonna give it back hard until they stop or until it turns to the bloodletting civil war they are just begging for.
Their choice.
Matt was just channeling El Rushbo.
"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." -Rush Limbaugh
Don’t care. Democrats have been rallying everyone racist, sexist without merit for years. I just don’t care.
I have an old friend, and we were raised together in the Methodist Church. She never married, but has always had a male significant other. No children.
She's on Facebook arguing that we should drop everything, and support the local abortion protest. I just don't understand.
Although, I'm sure that most of the women at the protest have a similar story.
"And no, it shouldn't be up to the States.
You shouldn't be able to kill your child based on a line on a map."
Most homicide law is state law.
Matt said...
Gaetz likes women young. Recall [according to witnesses] he had sex with a 17 year old. So any women over the age of 21 and of the liberal persuasion - in his mind - are lonely women who eat microwave dinners. It's also easier for him to negatively label an entire subset of women he doesn't like than it is to debate facts with them. I expect this from college students not from congressmen.
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Bearing false witness again, eh, Mutt?
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/03/31/rep-gaetzs-dad-provides-email-confirming-hes-working-with-fbi-names-second-person-in-connection-with-alleged-extortion-plot-n353416
https://gaetz.house.gov/media/in-the-news/washington-post-admits-matt-gaetz-telling-truth-and-their-spin-just-incredible
Whatever happened to that case, Mutt?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/09/01/matt-gaetz-exonerated-after-man-charged-with-extortion-n2595102
And what tortured "logic" led you to use that false charge to claim that THEREFORE Gaetz has no interest in women 21 and up!!!
I expect this kind of intellectual wooziness and spiteful ignorance from hyper-partisan political hacks.
You've fully lived up to expectations.
Ann, do you moderate all comments? Did you purposively allow the one at 1:13?
A fair question since a lot of the pro-wadw rioters out there right now think that the concept of women is passe and men can birth...
Do you think zero women fit that description? If you think at least one does, them it's an honest question about the uselessness many women face on a daily basis and how these protests give meaning to their lives.
Speaking disparagingly about some women is misogyny? Who knew?
Is speaking disparagingly about some men misandry?
Setting aside the scintillating debate over whether his tweet is misogynistic or not (zzzzz...) let me just say that I'd be damn embarrassed to have Matt Gaetz as my US representative. Like someone said here much earlier, he's slimy.
So, actual millennial chiming in among all you Boomers. This is just how we sneer at the outgroup these days. Over the last 10 years, I've seen a thousand comparable sneers directed at "entitled manbabies in their mother's basements", "aggrieved misogynerds", "sister-screwing toothless rednecks", etc, etc, etc. Often from respectable publications.
Scott Alexander had a famous essay "Untitled", which can be found with an obvious google, that tangentially goes into some of this in depth. This is the level that the culture war operates on. And frankly, it's hard not to have noticed, over those last 10 years, that many of the women (and it's mostly women) offering those bitter identitatian sneers are, well, not doing so well in their personal lives. When the people who fling crap at you for a living are desperately trying to make "cool wine aunt" a term of endearment, it would take a blind saint to restrain from clapping back "alcoholic spinster".
Is speaking disparagingly about some men misandry?
Splooge stooges are dying to know.
shoot the messenger
Poor hostess got the vapors.
Haven’t we all moved past the speech police? It had its day when it was new but now it’s just predictable and increasingly clashes with a much, much, much more important value called free speech. Besides the toxic props just eat each other like middles school nasty girls. Most of us grew up and recognize what is important in the real world. We should all be sensitive to speech that is taken the wrong way by others, but that is no reason to shut down free speech.
It could be done better.
NOW (pun intended) we know the origin of the witch myths.
That said, it's probably, possibly, plausibly a mistake to exercise liberal license in order to socially justify sacrificing human lives that are deemed "burdens" for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes.
How many women...
Hardly an indulgence of diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry) to paint women as witches aborting, cannibalizing babies, and their little dogs, too.
I'm not seeing any misogyny. I'm calling "civility bullshit"
jim5301 said...where his tongue can lick Trump's asshole.
jim5301 is fantasizing about Trump again. You miss him so much you imagine having sex with him.....Can't quit him, can you jim5301??? Get help!!!
Cyrano, my lovely hero:0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRA0KMCEP2o
It’s called Middle Ground. I appreciate it.
My gawd that's the worst thing I've ever heard*!
* If by "ever" I mean today..... AND that this was the first article on Roe thing I've read today.
Or, perhaps, someone would like to date Gaetz, hmmmm?
Arguably straight-up truth, as it's rather obvious at a glance that many of the most active "activists" are part of the venn diagram circle labeled "The Unfuckables".
He's a Congressman though, so he couldn't use the proper label.
+1 on misogyny bullshit
It's a stereotype for a reason.
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