Don't be put off by the larger context here. I've clipped a section that is entirely the reaction of human beings on the street in New York City on that day.
You can scroll out of my start and stop points and watch the entire movie. Moore has made it available free on YouTube. I have never watched the movie, but, with 20 years distance, I am considering watching it today.
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There is evil in this world.
I taped the day on my VCR back then. I have recently had it put on CD...but have yet to watch. I watched that day. This is unedited live news from NBC. They showed the falling bodies and other awful things. Some day I will sit and watch again. Maybe today. God Bless the fallen, the heroes and the survivors of all the people we lost that day.
I remember Moore, he's the guy on 9/12 who complained that the terrorists hit the wrong city, that NYC had voted for Gore and that they should have hit Dallas or something.
Anyway, I will transcribe the blurb on my TV fo HBO's version of Fahrenheit 451.
"A stunning take on Ray Bradbury's iconic novel about a future where media is an opiate, history is outlawed, and 'firemen' burn books"
If there is an award for prescience in Sci Fi, they should just retire it now, or rename it the Bradbury Award and everybody else should admit that they are at best in second place.
Memorials are self entertainment, pretty obviously. Non participation with contempt is the right attitude. A relative of soap opera.
Pointed out long ago by Jim and Jean "Crucifixion".
I found the narration over the GW Bush part to be very annoying. It was a recitation of the narrator’s judgement of what was happening in Bush’s brain. I remember when the first plane hit. We all thought it was an accident. It wasn’t until the second plane hit and the pentagon plane went down that we knew otherwise. When I watch that clip of Bush, I see someone trying to process a horrible realization while at the same time trying to get through an immediate simple task without alarming those around him. I’m no fan of Bush, but the guy deserves some credit here.
(from the propaganda film)...
"Not knowing what to do; and no one Telling him what to do"...
Never have to worry about that happening to Biden, he's Always got someone telling Him what to do
The pictures at the beginning of the people on the street are worth your time, but I don’t think I will watch the rest of it. Thanks for showing me the good part.
There are things I may watch today, but not a minute of my time goes to Michael Moore. I've listened to him since he was a young antagonist trying to get press in the Detroit area years ago. I learned then that he was very good at pushing enough buttons in people that he could get a rise out of certain people by saying certain things. He's not a 'man of the people' and he manipulates fact and fiction, stirring them together to produce a sometimes potent and stinky stew. Some people like stinky stew.
All in all, as the years have gone on, I've found Moore to be a reprehensible human being and not one I would spend another moment beyond this one discussing or thinking about. There are real memories and insights to be had from 9/11. I'll choose those over Moore's fever dream.
You couldn't pay me enough to watch anything Michael Moore puts out. It's all propaganda. All of it.
not a minute of my time goes to Michael Moore
You -- and now I -- have already spent too much time on him.
"I remember Moore, he's the guy on 9/12 who complained that the terrorists hit the wrong city, that NYC had voted for Gore and that they should have hit Dallas or something."
A lot of people said bad things under the stress and chaos of that day.
A colleague of mind said this had happened because Bush pulled out of the anti-racism conference in Durban. Payback! For missing the conference.
A lot of people said bad things under the stress and chaos of that day.
It is the times of stress and chaos that show a person's true character.
Many people showed compassion, grace and honor under the stress and chaos of that day. Some did not.
what Wendy said.
Moore is a Castro Family dictator loving creep.
Althouse: "A lot of people said bad things under the stress and chaos of that day."
What alot of people said under the stress of that day is what they truly believe.
Michael Moore was quite explicit and honest about what he said and he meant it: He truly wished Al Qaeda had attacked Dallas, NOT that the attack did not occur.
In that, Michael Moore finds himself today thinking no differently and he is now in perfect alignment with the NeverTrumpers/LLR's. They are, in fact, indistinguishable.
I watched in real time as the second plane struck the tower. I realized that it was people not debris falling to the ground before the camera operators did. Jumping from on high to avoid incineration. Moore is a waste oxygen.
Moore was especially upset by all the hot-dog carts destroyed by the debris and ashes from the falling towers.
Moore is the lowest of the low.
I just watched George W. Bush with Laura at Shanksville. GW gave a speech and it was classic GW Bush. From the heart, simple but gracious in it's words. Nothing too flourished, but still good words from a good man.
Michael Moore couldn't sit in the same room when it comes to character, class, empathy, courage. You don't have to agree with either of their politics to see this.
Kamala spoke after Bush. My God...she needs to go away. From the very real George W. to the phantastically phony Kamala Harris. Her arm movements, right down to how she did the 'Clinton-thumb-in-fist' pose, her vapid words and her practiced cadence were all on full display. My wife had to leave the room. And she's the moderate one here.
I find Michael Moore so dumb. Or maybe he just pretends to be dumb, because his propaganda demands it. Bush and Saudi Oil caused the Iraq war. It was all about the $$$. Dumb. Strangely, I don't see Israel mentioned. Hmmm.. Guess they didn't have a dog in that fight. And I don't see much on the neo-cons, who surrounded Bush, and don't own oil companies and want never ending wars.
Moore doesn't mention to real reason for the 9-11, Iraq wqr, or for us being in Afghanistan. Its the elite embrace of globalism and philosphy of crusading wars for Democracy. Moore doesn't talk about it because he agrees with it. "Invade the world, invite the world".
The 911 terrorists were "over here" because we were "over there". Go read Bush's crazy 2005 inaugural address. After the collapse of the USSR, we should have had a sensible, nationalistic foriegn policy. Instead, its one crazy war and intervention after another. Its gotten to the point where we're sending men to die in Afghanistan to bring them George Floyd murals and Gender studies.
But Americans seem to love it. Notice when the tabliban were blocking the airports, you had people like Sen Cotton calling for airstrikes and "Bombing them back to the stone age". And you can be sure Miss Lindsey would love to send 100,000 men to reconquer Afghanistan. He probably masturbates thinking of the all those "rag heads" getting killed.
Michael Moore says 'Allah Akbar'.
Something that I can't help but notice in the scenes of regular people reactions to such a horrific event is how much more frequently women put their hands over their mouths or cover their whole faces. Men have an obvious looks of horror but seem to hold their gaze more steadfastly. I wonder if it has anything to do with a flight or fight response and men are thinking how they will fight the enemy? Yes, a generalization but it made me wonder.
Actually, Mark Steyn wrote some devastating things about that so-called human rights conference in Durban in the days just prior to 9/11. He’s been re-running the columns at his website. The conference was all about blaming America for not handing over more cash for things like reparations to the Tutsis for a massacre we weren’t involved in, and to enrich various blood-drenched African and Sub-Saharan dictators.
So it sort of was about that — in the minds of bin Laden and Michael Moore.
'I just watched George W. Bush with Laura at Shanksville. GW gave a speech and it was classic GW Bush. From the heart, simple but gracious in it's words. Nothing too flourished, but still good words from a good man.'
Bush is simple because he has aways been a simpleton. He is now worshipped by the left because he is a never-Trumper.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1436733845467025413
From Bushes Speech:
And we have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders, but from violence that gathers within. There is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. But in their disdain for pluralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols, they are children of the same foul spirit. And it is our continuing duty to confront them.
At a time when religious bigotry might have flowed freely, I saw Americans reject prejudice and embrace people of Muslim faith. That is the nation I know.
At a time when nativism could have stirred hatred and violence against people perceived as outsiders, I saw Americans reaffirm their welcome to immigrants and refugees. That is the nation I know.
Yeah, the same ol' Bush. Always beating the drum for Amnesty, Immigration, Illegal immigration, invading the world and inviting the world. 3,000 Americans are killed by "Migrants" on American soil. But the main thing is to praise open borders.
One gets the impression the only people Bush hates are the Right-wing Republicans who voted for him.
The Gospel reading for that day was the resurrection story from Mark 16:1-8. I remember reading it in the morning before heading off to work. It's odd how our memory works, because reading that Gospel story is folded into my memories of that morning.
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