From "As the Taliban return, Afghanistan's past threatens its future/The freedoms Afghans have gained since 2001 are in jeopardy as extremists complete their takeover of the nation, spurred by U.S. exit" (National Geographic).
At the link, you'll see lots of beautifully lit, ultra-flattering photographs of highly attractive Afghans, many (or all of which) bear captions that tell you the person has been killed. I found the article because I was trying to answer my own question how many people did the Taliban kill in their sudden, sweeping takeover of the country.
Was it surprisingly few? This Washington Post article — "Afghanistan’s military collapse: Illicit deals and mass desertions" — gives the impression that there was skillful, sustained, widespread deal-making by the Taliban —"a series of deals brokered in rural villages between the militant group and some of the Afghan government’s lowest-ranking officials":
The deals, initially offered early last year, were often described by Afghan officials as cease-fires, but Taliban leaders were in fact offering money in exchange for government forces to hand over their weapons, according to an Afghan officer and a U.S. official. Over the next year and a half, the meetings advanced to the district level and then rapidly on to provincial capitals, culminating in a breathtaking series of negotiated surrenders by government forces, according to interviews with more than a dozen Afghan officers, police, special operations troops and other soldiers.
Within a little more than a week, Taliban fighters overran more than a dozen provincial capitals and entered Kabul with no resistance, triggering the departure of Afghanistan’s president and the collapse of his government. Afghan security forces in the districts ringing Kabul and in the city itself simply melted away....
The Taliban capitalized on the uncertainty caused by the February 2020 agreement reached in Doha, Qatar, between the militant group and the United States calling for a full American withdrawal from Afghanistan. Some Afghan forces realized they would soon no longer be able to count on American air power and other crucial battlefield support and grew receptive to the Taliban’s approaches....
Some police officers complained that they had not been paid in six months or more. “They saw that document as the end,” the officer said, referring to the majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.” ...
"Without the United States, there was no fear of being caught for corruption. It brought out the traitors from within our military,” said one Afghan police officer....
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I support the decision to leave, I support the leaving, I deplore the means by which it was carried out. I think that's probably the mainstream view. Now, on to the actual comment:
Anyone else noticed a tone in the reactions that the Afghanis were working with the United States in Afghanistan and, given their help of us, we owe them a debt of continued support? Kinda the opposite of what is really going on. They were not helping us, we were helping them. In leaving, the US did not abandon these people who stood by us, we gave Afghanistan back to the Afghans and this is what they did with it.
If you look at a map you can see that Uigher land is just above Afghanistan although there is a narrow bridge of territory separating them. So if you ask: where did the Taliban get the money to buy off the Afghan authorities? that area and its geopolitical meaning is not the place to look. Neither is Iran which got pallets of cash from somebody and got sanctions lifted by somebody more recent releasing more money. No, the place to look for causes is at the place that made the choice to vote for corrupt incompetence and call that normal - the world-wide suburb. Look at Uigher land only see consequences, not causes. Look there to see the RealClear new normal as opposed to dreamy hopey talky talk.
'Young male professionals with well-groomed beards and mullet cuts, slumped in plush chairs, sipped espresso drinks beneath flat-screens that pulsed with racy Turkish and Indian music videos, the bare midriffs of women blurred by channel censors...'
So among these, who are their Paul Reveres, Patrick Henrys, and George Washingtons?
Many of the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were very young...nothing like the portraits we see taken of them in relatively old age...
The Afghans gained no freedoms since 2001. The freedoms they had were given to them by the United States. And hence is why they're falling away so quickly.
To gain those freedoms- the people have to fight for them. Which means they have to kill those who are oppressing them. It all comes down to- which side is willing to use violence to get it's way.
Same thing here where many are wondering when the triggering event happens that starts the boogaloo. Just reading varied blogs and listening to those around me, thoughts have gone from if there's a civil war to when there's a civil war.
No matter what policy you supported the carnage and despair should remind everyone that there are consequences for shitty policies. Pathetic!
IOW, we spent 20 years and $80 billion (I've seen numbers as high as $300 Billion) on an Afghan Army that collapsed without firing a shot. Which means the regime we were propping up had zero real support. Just like Joe Biden. LOL.
The Afghans will now deal with their own internal problems on their own. Good. Of course, this won't stop the Empire Builders and all the middle-age men who think foreign policy is just a game of "Risk" from getting us in another war, or another "nation building" excercise tommorrow.
Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham are aleady crying about how we need all these "noble allies" and Gay/Trans Urban Professionals in the USA, let a million Afghans come, they are saying. Of course, Miss Lindsey and Mittens have nothing but contempt for the average American, so that's expected.
Afghanistan finally liberated from a regime that imposes mandatory face coverings, destroys statues, and promotes the genital mutilation of children
- As seen on Twitter
They were not helping us, we were helping them. In leaving, the US did not abandon these people who stood by us, we gave Afghanistan back to the Afghans and this is what they did with it.
This. Ultimately it was their country and their responsibility.
"The Afghans gained no freedoms since 2001. The freedoms they had were given to them by the United States. And hence is why they're falling away so quickly"
Absolutely right. The thought that should have guided every American foreign policy decision since the end of the Korean War.
We could have just gone after Bin Laden, killed all the Al Queda in Tora Bora, helped out the Northern Alliance and gone home.
Of course that would have made it harder to rationalize invading Iraq.
I'm so struck by the disparate nature of the two main competing Afghanistan stories right now...
Story One: The people of Afghanistan are about to experience the loss of freedom and civil society, on a genocidal scale. Thousands and perhaps millions of personal stories of loss, cruelty, fear and worse, as the Taliban exerts its 13th century will.
Two: The Western Coalition's military engagement in Afghanistan was pointless and wasteful for 20 years.
Which is it? We conferred freedom on much of an entire nation; we shut down a terrorist haven; we established a border-check on our erstwhile friends in Pakistan; and we countered the malign foreign interests of Russia and China in the region.
So that is what was pointless and wasteful?
"So that is what was pointless and wasteful?"
I want to address my response, directly to a commenter, and HIS actions.. But i won't
(because, that would be BAD)
So, i will address this response, directly to the United States of America
WHEN YOU ARE STUCK IN A HOLE, THE FIRST STEP IS TO STOP DIGGING THAT HOLE!!!
"So that is what was pointless and wasteful?"
Yes. We conferred freedom on much of an entire nation (a concept of freedom that is alien to the culture), we shut down a terrorist haven (great, but now terrorist havens don't have to be in shithole places at all), we established a border-check on our erstwhile friends in Pakistan (what does this even mean? Gotta keep the Pakis in line because otherwise . . .), and we countered the malign foreign interests of Russia and China in the region (proof?).
I realize that most Lifelong Republicans have a limited sense of the real world, but this is still a bit surprising. (My apologies if you're not that Chuck.)
My hope is that we can take advantage of what Hitch would call promising signs of polarization . . . perhaps a general and genuine reappraisal of the place of Islam and Muslims by the rational actors in Eurasia, who far outnumber the nutjobs.
It is unlikely that we will ever have accurate information about the new Afghani regime and how many they kill or imprison. Our government lies to us, our journalists promote their agendas instead of seeking the truth. It seems the Afghan institutions had not interest in opposing them but there are many who would like to flee them. I think we owe the refugees some opportunity to rebuild their lives since they have relied on us and our meaningless promises.
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