That's how the President of the State Health Office talks to Mississippians, as reported in the Mississippi Free Press.
And a doctor warned that if you travel you'd better drive with special care, "because there’s nowhere for you to go if you have a car wreck."
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«সবচেয়ে পুরাতন ‹পুরাতন 243 এর 201 – থেকে 243When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
The first right endowed by God that is listed is the right to Life. It is listed first. There is probably a good reason or two why that is so.
>>But otherwise, anti-social limits must be part of the new way of living until vaccinations appear.
"Must be" ?
Go fuck yourself. And your limits.
mockturtle said...
"A friend and I were on a trail this morning here in AZ and passed a couple--no doubt from California--wearing masks. On a hiking trail."
yeh, from my neighborhood. Just down there long enough to sway the election. We got a bunch odf Californicators sent out to Georgia and Nevada also.
Doin God's work.
>>Blogger Jeff Brokaw said... The phrase GFY keeps popping into my head lately.
Mine, too. Obviously.
Right on, FullMoon those ballots don't exactly stuff themselves. Gaia can't pay for grayhound herself.
>> Framing this in terms of freedom and courage and rights is to be narcissistic. Other people's lives are in your hands. Do you owe them nothing, because your resentment at being told what to do, as teenagers are resentful, is more important?
There are no solutions, only tradeoffs.
You do what you think is right. Take all the precautions you want. Lock yourself and your family down if you want. It's your right. You take as little or as much risk as you think is correct.
But you have no right to tell healthy young, healthy people they must stay home. We have lives to lead, and work to do.
Our choice may be different from yours.
“Don’t go out, you’ll infect someone.”
Let me know who that person is that you’re worried about, and I’ll call them and work it out. We’ll coordinate.
“Don’t go to thanksgiving, you’ll infect Grandma”.
Tell me the name of the Grandma that you’re worried about and I’ll call her and work it out. We’ll make an arrangement we can agree to.
mockturtle said...
"A friend and I were on a trail this morning here in AZ and passed a couple--no doubt from California--wearing masks. On a hiking trail."
That's nothing. I saw a woman wearing a mask while swimming in the Gulf a few months ago. And yes, she was putting her head under the water.
Jeez, was feeling a little like Gen. Pemberton at Vicksburg for a minute.
You Yankees shall nevah take my sword.
“Framing this in terms of freedom and courage and rights is to be narcissistic. Other people's lives are in your hands. Do you owe them nothing,...”
Stay home if you want. If you stay home, how does my going out put you at risk? In fact, tell me exactly who it *does* put at risk. Someone *else* who went out? Give me their name. I’ll call them and coordinate.
Otherwise you are a fear monger. You’re afraid and you want us all to be afraid too. Maybe freedom isn’t for you. Maybe you need someone to tell you what to do so you don’t get hurt. (And you accuse *us* of being the 7 year olds.)
That's nothing. I saw a woman wearing a mask while swimming in the Gulf a few months ago. And yes, she was putting her head under the water.
HUH! That's nothin' friend in NorCal saw Bigfoot wearin' a mask.
Humbolt County, headin' towards Dust Bunny's joint in Lassen.
Aren’t Mawmaws and Pawpaws killed every Thanksgiving and Christmas? Isn’t every family gathering during every cold and flu season wrought with the risk of giving Mamaw and Pawpaw the flu or another respiratory virus? Either of which could kill them? How is WuFlu any different? And no, you’re not allowed to say “Flu Vaccine!”, since those often miss what ends up being the dominant seasonal strain.
I guess this is the end result of wanting to live in a zero risk society.
Assistant Village Idiot said...
I have read the comments, BTW. Churches have services and people have actually died from the infection after going. Framing this in terms of freedom and courage and rights is to be narcissistic. Other people's lives are in your hands. Do you owe them nothing, because your resentment at being told what to do, as teenagers are resentful, is more important?
If you wish to argue that the government does not have the right, I tell you that is irrelevant. You share a family, a town, a county with other people. You have obligations to them morally, whether the government says so or not. Stop focusing on how insulted you feel and be an adult.
How many people have died of COVID?
What are your sources?
People who just want to summarily eliminate the 1st amendment are suspect.
I read the article, and this appears to be doctors speaking to one another during their state medical meeting, which was also broadcast. The "nowhere to go" remark, I believe, refers to no staffed - staffed - hospital beds nearby. In my mid-south system we have hundreds of health care workers in quarantine or isolation, and not enough nurses to staff the beds. The bed count is irrelevant if there is no one to staff the bed. And this is how doctors speak to one another; we are right there where the rubber meets the road. People here act as if nothing is going on. The restaurants and bars are full. But we may be in tent hospitals by December. IF we can find nurses from elsewhere to staff the tent beds. But the whole country is red hot with COVID and you can't hire nurses.
And everyone here calls their grandmother "Mamaw". I did, and my children call my mother "Mamaw".
For those, like Assistant Village Idiot, who say we have no legal or moral right to put others at risk for our own selfish reasons, I have a few questions:
Do you drive a car? Does that not put other random strangers at risk? Is driving selfish and narcissistic, too?
The first right endowed by God that is listed is the right to Life. It is listed first. There is probably a good reason or two why that is so.
Yes, my OWN life. The above should certainly not be construed as government taking my life away from me and forcing me indoors so someone else has a lower risk of dying early. You may want to brush up on what the Founding Fathers really meant by this.
Bigfoot will regret bumping into DBQ unless he has an invitation.
“ People here act as if nothing is going on. The restaurants and bars are full. But we may be in tent hospitals by December.”
I was told that healthcare is my human right. So you better be there to treat me and have the nurses there in sufficient numbers also, or you will be violating my human rights.
Meant to put :) at the end of my comment.
The first right endowed by God that is listed is the right to Life. It is listed first.
Indeed, but not for any obvious reason related to Covid.
Churches have services and people have actually died from the infection after going.
Unlike in 2018?
Lol.
If you think people are dying from covid because they attended a church service, prove it. use math. Use reasoning.
Otherwise you are just being a ninny. Your anecdote-derived panic is a mental problem on your part, not a vital data point that requires action on my part.
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
You completely skipped over both liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Because "life" is first, it doesn't mean the next two are removed from the sentence. These rights are ALSO unalienable; well, they're supposed to be. Covid lockdowns have completely removed my own liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Are young people buying more life insurance because of Covid? No.
Rabel said...
Jeez, was feeling a little like Gen. Pemberton at Vicksburg for a minute.
How many people have died of COVID Rabel?
What is your source for this information?
If you want to bend the knee that's up to you.
All of your sarcasm and stupidity in unconvincing. You are just like all the rest. You have no idea what you are even talking about.
A positive test is not a “case” if you didn’t go to the hospital. Or a doctor. But if you test positive you are a part of the surge and spike that is wearing out the keys of headline writers. And scaring the scary cats. Less than 3% mortality overall, less than 1% recent cases.
"HUH! That's nothin' friend in NorCal saw Bigfoot wearin' a mask.
Humbolt County, headin' towards Dust Bunny's joint in Lassen."
Well lemme tell you, I was talking to Nicole Latner at the Duran Golf Club yesterday, and she told me that the mask mandate on the course is being enforced by a 10 foot alligator.
Blogger Assistant Village Idiot said...
If you wish to argue that the government does not have the right, I tell you that is irrelevant. You share a family, a town, a county with other people. You have obligations to them morally, whether the government says so or not. Stop focusing on how insulted you feel and be an adult.
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And who made you the Pope, to talk down to us and lecture us about morality? To tell us we have none of the Natural Rights enshrined in the Constitution?
Is it moral for people with serious illnesses to be neglected and die because the hospitals and their doctors are off-limits?
Is it moral for small businesses to go bankrupt simply because power-mad governors decide there are too many people congregating in them?
Is it moral for those same governors to ignore their own edicts when people choose to engage in political demonstrations?
Is it moral to prevent people from going to church because some people might die later---AS IF they don't already, especially the old?
Is it moral to deny children school education because they might get covid, even though almost NO children or person under 20 has died from the disease in the entire country?
You must be insufferable in person.
Nobody likes a Church Lady.
Stick it, Karen.
Howard: "If you go to Yountville for anything but the Vets Home, your just another tourist. Also, Ronny R frequently featured local BV wine, which was au courant in hoi palloi norcal winesnob circlesof the 1980's."
"Bottle Shock" at the 1976 Paris blind taste testing changed everything.
Great book.
Not so great movie. They actually left out Mike Grgich because he simply didn't want to be involved, and it was his genius that gave us the winning Chardonnay against the frogs.
The good news? Robert Mondavi, as he often did, helped Grgich kick off his own winery which is fun to visit: Grgich Hills Estate.
I wonder about our younger generation, particularly the young men. Already cowed by wokeness, and essentially confined to quarters for the duration, they are led to believe that they are to blame when any elderly relative or acquaintance-or for that matter any cohort of the elderly—sickens and dies (as, alas, the elderly are wont to do) because by living normal lives they might become toxic.
These are the people upon whom the soon to be elderly, such as I, must pin our hopes for the future.
What the hell are we doing to them? To what end?
You completely skipped over both liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
American conservativism: Pro-Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness... without diversity and other classes of bigotry.
Churches have services and people have actually died from the infection after going.
Originating or transient? Where else have infections occurred? What was the transmission mode?
In Japan, without restrictive mandates, it is estimated that nearly half of the population in Tokyo is infected, and nearly three thousand deaths have been attributed to SARS-CoV-2/Covid-19. Apparently, they are accustomed to wearing masks. Based on the spread, they conclude that the population has reached community immunity, which reduces vectors for infecting at-risk individuals.
Well. I'm going to spend thanksgiving with my father.
We are grownups. We know the danger and we choose the danger.
Check for fever, for coughing, sneezing. Wash you hands to mitigate asymptomatic fecal transmission.
Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs opined:
"We don’t really want to see Mamaw at Thanksgiving and bury her by Christmas... It’s going to happen. You’re going to say hi at Thanksgiving, it’s so nice to see you...and you’re either going to be visiting her by Facetime in the ICU or planning a small funeral by Christmas."
A little fatalistic there, doc. What are Mamaw's co-morbidities, other than advanced age? Also, folks can be grandparents in their 40's and 50's. Should they not be able to enjoy some pumpkin pie with their families? Everyone's all for safety, and no one wants to lose a loved one. And it's most likely a good bet that people will split holiday visits with family so as not to become too large a group, say more than 10 or 15. But come ON. Telling us we'll box up Mamaw after chomping on some turkey and stuffing together is a bit much.
Let's face it, not many politicians care about old people much.
Sure lots of politicians with parents get sentimental in public, talking about how much they care about the old people.
But most of those politician kids, when told they can with a good conscience tell grandma she is not welcome at their Thanksgiving dinner, are apparently going to go along with it.
Tell me I am wrong ---- tell me this creep of a public official with his creepy folksy way of saying keep grandma far away from you in her little apartment for the next few holidays ---- tell me this creepy guy is being publicly shamed.
He isn't, except for a few snarky comments at places like this.
If you are one of those people who whole-heartedly support the politicians who would rather let your grandma die of loneliness than the China virus, you are probably a much worse person than you think.
Mamaw probably doesn't want to see the kids anyways. They're a bunch of pussies.
Get the government out of the dining room.
Nicely done Quayle. Hey did el Tim de Vermont ever realize what he stepped in with that “hard stop” of measles BS?
Jake said: "I'm sick of everyone trying to have cute names for grandparents. Mawmaw? Gimme a break."
I'm guessing you have no familiarity with Appalachian culture. Mamaw and Meemaw are traditional terms in families like mine.
I'm not a grandmother (yet anyway) but I ain't a'hankering to be known as "Mamaw"--not my style, but I respect the term.
Other people's lives are in your hands.
No. They are not. Nor should they be. And I am more than sick and tired of scolds like you trying to shame me into thinking they are.
Your health and safety is not my responsibility. It's yours. Period.
So, grow the fuck up and act like an adult yourself.
Apparently AVI got tired of having a facetious, ironic pseudonym and decided to make it literal.
Sad.
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