"With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???"Cue Trump fans to mock The Hill for taking the bait. He's just yanking your chain. Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain.
July 30, 2020
"The tweet marked the first time Trump has raised the idea of delaying the November elections, an idea he previously rejected amid concerns about the coronavirus pandemic."
The Hill notes Trump's new tweet:
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Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
32.9%
For once Trump actually achieved something jo one else has .... not pass a test but instead crash the economy though lack of leadership.
Terrible persuasion technique. It feels like he's already resigned to losing in November.
"it's gross"
You mean, the prospect of fraud and manipulation?
Typical Trump negotiating tactic: Always ask for more than you want. Dem's want unsecured mail-in voting. Trump wants election to follow normal election law so he starts off with an big ask then will settle for "election as normal"
This is why we are laughing at the left so much. They are humorless, and hateful all in one!!!
What was our President thinking? He must know that it’s the Democrats who are likely to try to delay the election when they are SHOCKED to Suddenly discover that their candidate is senile. (Who could have known?)
I don't see it as yanking chains. I see him meaning exactly what he said. Mail in voting will be 100% fraudulent. As Scott Adams pointed out, what's to prevent any foreign power from sending a duplicate ballot to people known to vote for a party they dislike, the fake ballots of which will be discarded, giving those voters only a 50% chance of voting properly?
What's to prevent Democrats themselves from doing that?
How do you think that employees belonging to USPS unions vote?
Can someone explain the why "universal mail in voting" is bad but "absentee voting" is good?
Really?! He is just yanking our chains? Can he get any more childish?
Typical Trump negotiating tactic: Always ask for more than you want. Dem's want unsecured mail-in voting. Trump wants election to follow normal election law so he starts off with an big ask then will settle for "election as normal"
Yup, and it puts them on the defensive to defend why they are so insistent about mail-in voting versus delaying the vote for a couple weeks.
Seems sensible to delay the elections given the economy:
Second-quarter GDP plunged by worst-ever 32.9%.
He has done something even Hoover and Bush Jr couldn't achieve.
Dem's want unsecured mail-in voting.
This is complete and utter bullshit.
Classic pace and lead. And I am among the relatively mild-mannered, even-tempered Americans who will lose their shit if widespread mail-in voting is introduced. I strongly suspect that's the end-game of the coordinated Democrat effort to shut down the US, which combined with economic destruction and stoking racial grievance represents the three-legged stool on which their precarious election hopes rests. Fuck that. If they get mail-in voting, well, the ammo's all sold out and the gun racks are almost empty too, so it's flamethrower time.
"Typical Trump negotiating tactic: Always ask for more than you want. Dem's want unsecured mail-in voting. Trump wants election to follow normal election law so he starts off with an big ask then will settle for "election as normal""
He doesn't even need to negotiate when he can effortlessly lead them by the nose. The Donks will now spend the week talking about vote fraud and how the election must go forward as scheduled, mail-in or no.
For once Trump actually achieved something jo one else has .... not pass a test but instead crash the economy though lack of leadership.
No. This is 100%, undeniably, absolutely wrong, from top to bottom. And every time a lefty passes this on as knowledge I'm going to point that out.
The response to the virus crashed the economy. State governors crashed the economy. State health department directors crashed the economy. Absolutely nothing Trump did is the underlying cause of the economy crashing.
You're a bald-faced liar.
It's 3 months until the election, if we remain fearful and shutdown by government advocacy it will mark SEVEN+ months the U.S. has severely curtailed public activities due to a pandemic.
I know there will be people on both sides gnashing their teeth, but I'll stick my neck out her: I have no problem with delaying all elections until it's safe to stand in line to vote. Mail in voting is the main reason vote fraud exists, and it must be resisted at all costs. And I mean all costs.
I bet there will be no mention of Democrat office holders talking about delaying the 2010 midterms
Because there is way to shutdown all non essential commerce without crashing the economy. Please, to share.
"Yanking your chain" is a great expression. Surprised Ann didn't do her patented deep dive into the meaning and origin of it.
impeach him again
and also impeach barr
Has this tweet finally convinced Ann that maybe, just maybe, Orange Man is indeed bad?
Who's in pain? What kind of pain?
Remember when he said he could act "Presidential" if he cared to, but we'd all be so bored? I could use some of that. Just for novelty's sake.
Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain.
Following he rules has been painful for the left.
Mostly because they keep imagining Trump’s not following them.
Trump’s big ask is for a fair election that the country can accept.
The Dems will, of course, counter.
It is difficult to know how things could be going worse at this point. Yet I am confident that Trump will find a way.
Mark got his email from the DNC this morning and couldn't wait to share the required talking points.
In a previous life, I suspect he was a block commissar for Stalin's USSR. Same sort of logic and ability to think independently.
Yeah, Trump is gaslighting, because he simply is asking a question compared to say the Wisconsin governor that actually attempted to make it so. I'd think it is a mistake for Trump to play this game, but he's been good at the game. His success constantly surprises me. In this case, it is easy to see the trolling.
The Dems have said we need to delay.
Hence the incredulous and mocking ???
"Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain."
"Oh, the Pain... the Pain."
And whose hand is that at the end of the video causing Althouse all her "pain" against a backdrop of ominous music?
Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain.
Did some of the NYT's Kool-aid splash on your blog??
As with most of Trump's Tweets, the reactions are usually more revealing than the actual Tweet itself.
Oestensibly at least, everyone cares deeply about having a fair and honest election. The intergrety of our election process (or at least the illusion of it) may be the single most important thing we have as a country. If people lose faith in the process then we become just another corrupt cesspit country, a kleptocracy or dictatorship like so many others throughout history with no hope of betterment and no hope in general.
Unfortunately with mass mail-in voting, the potential for deeply undermining the process is very real and anybody who doesn't see that is being obtuse or lying to themselves or others. The desire to corrupt our process is possibly greater than at any point in modern history. People have strong feelings about the outcome of this election.
we're already in pain
You made your own pain.
It feels like he's already resigned to losing in November.
Oh, I think we know him better than that.
It's an interesting insight into Trump's thinking that he considers it a good strategy to hide the bad economic numbers by floating an idea for delaying the election. It implies that he has a very cynical view of the electorate: people want money, they don't care as much about good government.
How many primary races were delayed or screwed up by USPS inability to handle the ballot load? Is this evidence not germane to the issue?
At this point Suburban Women have swallowed the fear so hard, I’d imagine they will swing everything. Trump didn’t create the pain we are in. Educators did, and continue to do so. Trump is right. All mail in voting is just to make left wing voter fraud easier. There will be a lot of non-citizens casting votes too as ballots will be sent automatically to illegal aliens who received driver’s licenses.
Liberal areas like Madison know voter fraud is real. Everyone does. It’s win at all cost. If they think they can just turn off the spigot of craziness they have implemented in 2020 just because Biden or whoever replaces him wins, they are kidding themselves.
GDP tanked for the 2nd quarter. Everything is going according to plan. Teachers Unions will help the 3rd quarter be a disaster as well.
@Craig, we aren't planning to LET him lose in November.
Ask yourself this: If Democrats thought they could win by the normal voting process, would they be advocating burning that entire system down?
Mark said, "Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
32.9%"
I have to laugh at this type of framing. So it's trump's fault COVID spread horribly AND his fault we massively shut down the country and crashed GDP in Q2? Both, at the same time, are his fault?
No. Trump pointed out, rightly, that states ultimately have the power to restrict the freedoms of their own citizens based upon public health information. He took some steps, probably not enough, to shut down international travel and to begin coordinating with CDC. CDC screwed the epic pooch on a massive screw-up in testing kit creation, propagation, centralized lab testing delays, and early contact tracing. I can blame that on Trump even though I think the same would've happened under OBama/Biden...but you blame who is in power, so fair enough.
But the GDP impact? No. That was our country shutting down business, travel, the entire hospitality industry, non-essential activities, etc. etc.
And that was specifically NOT advocated by Trump besides the early hot spots.
Someone is objecting to this? Why? That's exactly what Pencil-neck Evers and his cabal of Prog allies wanted in Wisconsin in April. Seems like they should be happy that Trump would toss their idea out in a tweet for consideration.
Democrats are saying Trump is unreasonable because he Swamy’s “voters to risk death by voting in person” but they won’t entertain a delay? Didn’t Althouse’s governor go to court to delay the WI primary just couple months back? Why is Trump’s idea so dangerous?
Yeah we're in pain.
The Democrats make me sick.
replying to WisRich on Trump's negotiating tactics. Sometimes when he wants result A, he pretends to want "not A", so that his opponents insist on A, then Trump concedes, giving them what they claim to want, which is what he wanted all along.
Also predictable. He's been "doing the rope a dope" [i.e. - absorbing attack with little response (for him)] since this whole thing started with the George Floyd incident. There is so much to roll out between now and election day for Trump, and he's been holding fire to a remarkable degree, a bit like the squares at Waterloo awaiting the arrival of the French cavalry.
He'll either be right in his strategy and win, or he'll be wrong and lose. We all wait for the result, as if that will give us some guide to what lies ahead. Should he lose, I suspect America will have to be punished by its new administration and taught a severe lesson about the price of straying from the narrative like it did during the Trump years. It won't be allowed to happen again.
Either way, this gets worse before it gets better. It is going to take something really catastrophic to bring this country together again.
Mark:
Just to clarify, the economy contracted at an ANNUALIZED RATE of 32.9% in the 2nd quarter. In other words, it contracted by about 8% during the April through June time period when all but essential businesses were shut down.
Not really all that surprising.
Sadly amusing watching all the lefties that told us the world was going to end because the April elections in Wisconsin were not delayed act like this tweet is evidence the world is going to end. The world is so fragile in lefty-land.
Craig said...
Terrible persuasion technique. It feels like he's already resigned to losing in November.
I'm inclined to agree. His campaign is a dumpster fire. They just pulled all new ad buys in Michigan.
wtf-
It's the difference between Jared calling the shots and Steve Bannon calling the shots. If Trump loses, it's the most epic political collapse in American history, and I don't care what anyone else says.
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
How does the fed tell the states how to vote? What is there to negotiate? Congress sets the date States choose electors what power does the president have over the election. He can sow confusion and lack of confidence in the results. That's what's going on.
I don't see it as yanking the chain so much as getting people to make the argument for him. Any arguments people raise against delaying the election will also work as arguments against mail in voting and since they will be made against Trump they will reach ears that would be closed to arguments made for him.
He’s asking. What is the reasonable response?
Democrats prefer the RESULTS be delayed so they can manipulate them, not the VOTE which they fear will end their tyranny.
In pain? WTF are you talking about? You mean uncontrollable things are happening to people who believed they were above nature and at the end of history? Those foolish children have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
"Help me! My unrealistic expectations are proving unrealistic."
Sod off, Swampy.
Why NOT delay the election? We're delaying and changing everything else. Why can't we have it in late November? All that matters is that Trump leaves on Jan 21st. We could actually push it back till December.
Yes, typical Trump asking for the whole salami, instead of the Ryan/McConnell/ Bush/Romney tactic of asking for 50% of the salami at the start. What an extremist!
Mark said...
Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
Please share with us your plan to defeat COVID while leaving the economy unaffected. Since no country in the world has managed such a thing, billions eagerly await your wisdom.
He’s done. It’s almost over, thank goodness. What a POS he is.
He gets up every day with the intent of ensuring a Democrat victory in November.
If we get Democrat control of the White House, Senate, and the House we can blame Donald J Trump.
My decision will be stay home or vote for a Dem President for the first time in my life.
Just display a picture of George Floyd or John Lewis, Thousands of people are encouraged to wait in line, Obviously the Chinese Cooties does not attach to those people, Problem solved!
So happy to see everyone on this thread staying true to character.
Trump’s “big ask” is we throw the constitution out the window. Just sit back and enjoy the trolling.
Who's in pain? I'm pissed off about a lot of things but it isn't pain.
I think @WisRich is onto something...
"We're already in pain." Tell it to the goods trying to steal the election with a corpse.
"It's gross"
I don't understand why Trump is expected to not react to the firehose of bs that is flung at him. There is small industry now of opinions and newsmakers harping on how he is going to steal the election, he's evil, yadda yadda yadda. Easy examples: https://bfy.tw/Oe1w
He says one peep back: "It's gross."
NO IT IS NOT. It 100% appropriate. If we expect one side of battle to act with Marquess of Queensberry Rules, while the other side gets to light building on fire, we've already lost.
That is some "civility bullshit" Anne.
The only people whose chains are being yanked are the people who are wearing chains.
I tossed my Democrat party chains back when the Clinton's first began selling the country out to China and Russia in the 90's. And Governor Noem isn't applying the thumbscrews here.
I am sorry you are in pain, but you don't have to keep taking it. You can leave abusive situations even though it is hard. Be strong. You can do it.
Also, it isn't Trump who has been beating the change the way we vote drum. He's just turning up the volume so everyone can hear it.
Does anybody really pay attention to little Donnies tweets of BS anymore?
Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
32.9%
For once Trump actually achieved something jo one else has .... not pass a test but instead crash the economy though lack of leadership.
Sentient Americans don't blame him for either and they have long memories. They know his presidency has been under attack since Day One from the far-left MSM, Federal bureaucracy, Democrat Party, etc. They know who has demanded shutdowns, who has supported violence and chaos in our streets, who promotes racial division, who has politicized nearly every fucking facet of our lives, etc..
This will be a case of enraged people taking their frustrations out on the Democrat Party.
Yeah I'm afraid he screwed the pooch with that one. His nonlawyer is showing.
Don't *ever* (openly) fuck with the Constitution.
Constitutionally impossible, isn't it? The electoral college has to vote in December by Constitution.
State Constitutions say how they are chosen.
But what about reps and senators? Could their election be delayed? Is there any date required under the federal constition?
In any event, pdjt is just fucking with the Dems. I don't know the reason yet but I'm sure he has a good one that will be revealed in due course.
Always trust pdjt.
John Henry
You're not the only one in pain, the Obama goons are hurting too as they await their long overdue justice. Barr is coming for them and I hope it hurts them bad. Justice.
How is it gross? There’s plenty of time until Inauguration Day.
Takes an ACT of CONGRESS to delay the election. And that ain't gonna happen.
Hence he is yanking their chain. Dems want Mail-In-Fraud votes (and that ain't gonna happen except in a few very liberal places.)
Just wear a mask, SHOW ID, and stay 6 ft away from others.
No biggie.
Very very stupid by Trump.
Trump killed Herman Cain. Seems kind of racist.
The Democrats only hope for November is mail in voting fraud.
They can't overcome Trump's lead over Biden any other way.
Biden is going to pull out before the election anyways. I doubt the Democrats were ever going to go through with allowing the election to happen.
If Trump postpones the election and tries to stay in office past the end of his term, that would be an overt act of treason and punishable by death or imprisonment for not less than five years. Moreover, as he would be committing the crime after the end of his term, he can't pardon himself for it. As he would be in the act of committing a felony, any federal law enforcement officer would have probable cause to arrest him. If he resists arrest ... law and order baby.
So who is President come January 20, 2021 if the election does not take place? Pence's term in office would also be over, so he would no longer be in the line of succession. Nancy Pelosi's term of office as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives would also be over, if the elections were not held to reelect her and the other members of the House of Representatives. Next in line is the President pro tempore of the United States Senate, Chuck Grassley.
All hail President Grassley!
"Cue Trump fans to mock The Hill for taking the bait. He's just yanking your chain. Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain. "
Oh god cry me a river.
You voted for the most corrupt person to ever run for president and helped build this leftist revolution against freedom.
We are in this mess because of people like you.
WisRich nailed it.
Reminds me of when Trump asserted he had total authority over the states to goad the Democrat governors to insist that no, they had the total authority. And responsibility.
Worked perfectly. Too bad we don't have an independent press to report on it.
The one name trolls are out. DNC internal polling must not be going well...
I see lefty Mark and Craig are running a tag team.
Who is he "negotiating" with? Who is he trying to "persuade"?
He's not, he know's he's going to lose and he's prepping his excuses and defenses for after the inevitable. He's SUPPOSED to be leading the country, but he has more important things to do. He is a sleazy coward.
Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain.
If Democrats win or steal a clear runway for their desired policies, you'll learn what pain is. Comparatively speaking, this is nothing...
Punctuation is racist, AZ Bob.
Judging by my FaceBook feed the tweet is having the effect Trump probably intended.
It's actually an excellent persuasion technique, because lately there's been a lot of concerns raised about mail-in voting. Democrats already raised the spectre of election delays with their primaries, and this is just upping the ante. If there is a new wave of COVID outbreaks in the Fall (which, while I suspect there will be a slight uptick, it will be nowhere near the level shown in models - like everything else this year) that gives Blue States an excuse to employ even more dirty tricks. If the delay is used to restore extra integrity to the process then I consider that a wise choice - but I don't think it'll happen, because I don't think anyone (including Trump) wants it to happen.
The Seattle mayor seems to have zero fear of a voter backlash. I wonder why?
Washington elections have been vote-by-mail in every county since 1990.[8] Since there are no polling places, voting can only be done by absentee ballot, typically mailed to registered voters 20 days ahead of the election deadline, and returned by US Mail.
Is an absentee ballot really secret?
Mark, that headline from NBC was wrong, the GDP fell at a 32.9% annualized rate for the quarter meaning it fell 9.5%.
The delay the election part is used to draw attention to the inaccurate & fraudulent assertion. Seems to be working.
Mark said...
Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
32.9%
For once Trump actually achieved something jo one else has .... not pass a test but instead crash the economy though lack of leadership
*******************
Credulous fool. If you read the article to its end you will see that the 32.9% is a projection of what the drop would be after a year, IF it continued at last quarter's rate.
You have been conned, once again.
The Dems are now the party of riot and anarchy and rising crime and that isn't a winning program. Moreover, very hard-core Dems are starting to get pushed around in relation to free speech by the present hard-left Dem party and they don't like it. Bari Weiss and Andrew Sullivan are examples of this. Preventing free speech is a much more widespread phenomenon than the riots and the people who take it upon themselves to silence or cancel others are enormously unpopular and quite unaware of it. Finally, public health in Dem areas is issuing arbitrary regulations such as mask-wearing that close schools and businesses without meeting the required standard of that a public health regulation be necessary, and a reasonable means to the goal and proportional, and avoids harm. The election is the focus for all these discontents. Polling techniques that put Hillary ahead have not changed and they put Biden ahead. I think not.
Lefty trolls are thick here today. They must need to pay rent and the Chicoms ain't paying unless the trolls are posting. I wonder if any of them are in the Chicom Uighur concentration camps the Progs in the US are ignoring?
I do note there are some differences in messaging and focus. Perhaps the trolls job today is market research for workable talking points for their Chicom/DNC masters.
Howard said...
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
I was wondering when Howie would reach Inga-level stupidity. It happened sooner than I thought.
Is it fair to say that Trump drives the Left to hysteria and insanity? Maybe not. They were already hysterical and pretty darn close to insane.
Left Bank of the Charles wrote (10:54am):
"If Trump postpones the election and tries to stay in office past the end of his term, that would be an overt act of treason and punishable by death or imprisonment for not less than five years."
Has it occurred to anyone that if a hypothetical president were to try to fix an election for his hand-picked successor by spying on her opponent, spreading bald-faced lies about her opponent, corrupting numerous government agencies to work against the opponent and everyone working for him in grossly illegal ways and to continue doing so after he won and even long after he was inaugurated, that that would also be "an overt act of treason and punishable by death or imprisonment for not less than five years" - or rather a whole bunch of overt acts of treason? I'm pretty sure it's occurred to Trump, and I wonder if bringing up the subject of screwing around with sacred election laws and customs is a sign that Durham and Barr are about to drop some indictments.
Well, we can't return to school until we have a vaccine. And we can't go back to work until we have a vaccine. And mail-in voting demonstrably has delayed state primary elections by weeks, and the Democrats tell us mail-in voting is a good thing. So, yeah, yank their chains.
The one name trolls are out. DNC internal polling must not be going well...
A cover-up of Obama/Biden/Clinton/foreign collusion with a segue to a cover-up of a cover-up in progress for 16 trimesters, and, it seems, on a forward-looking basis until Americans kneel.
I love how Mark rushes in with the #fakenews quote of the day. The economy did not drop 32% in one quarter. It does beg the question why the mainstream media would suddenly ANNUALIZE a figure always reported QUARTERLY. Wonder what drove this change in behavior.
We are in this mess because of people like you.
At the moment it does feel that way...
Can someone explain the why "universal mail in voting" is bad but "absentee voting" is good?
Though I expect your question was simply rhetorical flourish, ill play along. Absentee voting is a legally enacted process, known to be the method by which most vote fraud is accomplished. The few sudden “universal” test cases, including the partial mail-in WI clusterfuck and the NY debacle, are ad-hoc actions NOT conducted according to settled law, and proved to be more than the USPS was prepared for. In-person voting allows us same-day results as we are used to getting. Clusterfuck Democrat schemes cause harrowing delays which will prove too tempting to those if low character and in charge of voting.
Postpone the election till RGB resigns from the Supreme Court.
"I wonder if any of them are in the Chicom Uighur concentration camps the Progs in the US are ignoring?"
Is Beijing Boy ARM STILL denying these camps exist like he was just weeks ago?
Or has he performed the grudging admission that the camps do exist but it does not matter because (insert non sequitur here)?
Dumb Lefty Mark: "Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages.
32.9%"
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Dumb lefty Mark really will parrot everything he is told.
Mark is the Ron Burgundy of Althouse blog.
Some bad numbers came in this morning on Trump's Thelma & Louise economy. He needed a twitter distraction.
Next!
ARM believes the economy is crashing because of Trump. ARM seems to believe the economic crisis is caused by bad management and lending practices. ARM is always entertaining when opining on the economy. Always.
He's right about one thing. When, after all this, it is announced that tens of millions of voters still voted for Trump in September, October and November, it will be a great embarrassment for the USA.
In any event, pdjt is just fucking with the Dems. I don't know the reason yet but I'm sure he has a good one that will be revealed in due course.
Always trust pdjt.
John Henry
Yeah, he is. He knows that anything he says will be immediately and loudly opposed by the Traitor party. So if Trump wants the election to be held, as usual, on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, all he has to do is call for a delay.
The only people in pain are the ones the rioters from the left are beating up and the business men who lost their businesses to the rioters burning them down. Vote for Trump...
I'm pretty sure he was joking. I hope he was joking. I generally don't mind his jokes, but this is one of the times where I wish he'd put down the keyboard.
"Howard said...
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
7/30/20, 9:59 AM"
Even you can't be that stupid.
It's forcing Republican office holders to repudiate it and dismiss POTUS as a jokester. Great strategy!
If we get Democrat control of the White House, Senate, and the House we can blame Donald J Trump. My decision will be stay home or vote for a Dem President for the first time in my life.
You really don't see the incongruity of these two sentences, do you?
Trump killed Herman Cain. Seems kind of racist.
Like I said in another thread: absolutely, utterly insane.
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
He didn't hack in person voting. Hacking mail-in votes would be much easier.
"It's an interesting insight into Trump's thinking that he considers it a good strategy to hide the bad economic numbers by floating an idea for delaying the election. It implies that he has a very cynical view of the electorate: people want money, they don't care as much about good government."
"Seems sensible to delay the elections given the economy:
Second-quarter GDP plunged by worst-ever 32.9%."
"Anything to drop his horrendous failure on COVID and subsequent economic crash off the front pages."
A coincidence, surely.
These guys really are goosestepping.
For the math-challenged, 32.9% = 1-(1-0.095)^4. The actual Q2 drop was 9.5% (0.095). What a surprise that the media would focus on the annualized number.
Dear heaven, this report is from CNN.
Trolls report the economy is down 32.9%. Doom! People everywhere are suffering poverty! Gloom! White supremacist cops are murdering people everywhere! Horror! Citizens are being kidnapped by government thugs using unmarked cars! TERROR!
The trolls need disasters to be happy. That's why Democrats support rioting, anger, and ignorant hate. Who will vote for that?
The middle is holding for President Trump, at least according to CNN.
"an overt act of treason and punishable by death or imprisonment for not less than five years"
I'd take imprisonment for five years rather than death for five years, though it's a better trick.
“It's forcing Republican office holders to repudiate it and dismiss POTUS as a jokester. Great strategy!”
It will be interesting to see which Republicans are going to support Trump in this. I think few will be that dumb. Trump will soon be gone, while they are getting serious about distancing themselves from him... while they still have time.
Wow. The leftist useful idiots are out in force today.
The Dem's internal polling must be atrocious.
Regarding the November election, Don Surber summarizes: Democrats now fervently oppose any delay or postponement.
Perfect.
The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It
I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
The social contagion is worse than the disease.
Second quarter GDP was down 9.5% so many above are lying or stupid.
I am generous so I say stupid.
I Callahan said...
If we get Democrat control of the White House, Senate, and the House we can blame Donald J Trump. My decision will be stay home or vote for a Dem President for the first time in my life.
Ok Karen
Trump is right. The mail in vote does not allow assurance of privacy, authenticatation of identity, and confirmation of eligibility, especially since Obama's refugee crises from his social justice adventures, Democrats granted safe sanctuary to tens of millions of illegal aliens, and civil rights stood up to civil rights.
"...and we're in pain."
Makes me think of Dr. Smith from "Lost In Space" with his oh-so-phony "Oh, the pain! The PAIN!"
You seem about as sincere as Dr. Smith.
"Cue Trump fans to mock The Hill for taking the bait. He's just yanking your chain. Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain."
Trumpers are best portrayed by the personality and actions of Louie Gohmert, as described by Charlie Sykes:
But let’s be clear: The incident does not show us that Gohmert is the dumbest member of Congress, because that is known. To be fair, he is not alone; there was a Democratic representative [Hank Johnson of Georgia] who once publicly warned that the island of Guam might tip over if the population got too large.
Even in this environment, Gohmert has distinguished himself as a super-spreader of stupidity and mean-spiritedness. During this pandemic, he has also been both an anti-mask bully and a role model of reckless crackpottery.
Shortly after the report that Gohmert had tested positive (he was tested only because he was about to get on a plane with Donald Trump to fly to Texas), Politico’s Jake Sherman received an email from someone on Gohmert’s staff who said that staffers in his office were “berated for wearing masks.”
In light of the sad news that Herman Cain died of Covid-19 after having attending a Trump rally without mask, Trump should not be pulling anybody's chain.
"how can anyone vote for Trump?" That's the message I hear over and over and over from leftists of all stripes.
How can anyone not vote for Trump is the question they should be asking. What's the alternative? The Democrats are openly violent. They have spent the last 4 years screaming, lashing out, and stirring up hatred and seething anger. What happens to that anger and hatred if Biden wins? It's going to go away? The left will suddenly be civil? They will leave those of us who are not leftists alone? They will stop rioting, vandalizing, and attacking people for their beliefs?
Hardly. Portland and Chicago shows us what will happen to the rest of us in a land dominated exclusively by leftists. One party rule, violent suppression of all non-leftist anything, churches forced to shut down; businesses shuttered, and more.
Trump has many faults, but compared to the left? How can anyone, anywhere, who loves America vote for Joe Biden? You leftists are very open about how you intend to transform America into Communist (well, fascist) China.
If you can riot in person, you can vote in person.
If you can stand in line to get into Wal*Mart, you can stand in line to vote.
Can someone explain the why "universal mail in voting" is bad but "absentee voting" is good?
Maybe if you actually knew the difference between the two, you wouldn't be asking stupid questions.
All the leftie fact-checkers out their go to great lengths to dismiss any differentiation between absentee ballots and mail-in voting as if the only discernible difference is the excuse proffered for requesting the ballot.
But, as we know, the Dems are tireless, and voter fraud is precisely the name of their game. If all mail-in ballots meet the same requirements that Wisconsin voters must meet, I'm all for it. Having spent more than an insignificant amount of time researching WI voter laws after our hostess mistakenly refused to vote absentee, I am confident that the chances for fraud in Wisconsin would be no greater than voting at a polling booth.
However, I am very confident that California will not have the same requirements....not that it matters since we already know the outcome. But Florida, NC, OH, PA, MN, West VA, MI are the tipping point of presidential elections. If rather than requiring each voter to send a copy of their license or ID and request a ballot as in WI, ballots are simply mailed to each registered voter without a request and proof of ID, the results will never be secure. Simply mailing a ballot without proof of ID to the last address on file is idiotic.
But this is how the lefties roll.
- Krumhorn
Cue Trump fans to mock The Hill for taking the bait. He's just yanking your chain. Yeah, but it's gross, and we're already in pain.
Women have so many feelings that they can hardly walk. Guys are amused.
As others have pointed out, mail in voting delays the final count. So anyone against delaying the election should be against mail in voting.
He doesn't even need to negotiate when he can effortlessly lead them by the nose. The Donks will now spend the week talking about vote fraud and how the election must go forward as scheduled, mail-in or no.
This is what I thought too. He's trying to make sure that the Dems insist the vote takes place at its regular date.
rcocean said...
Why NOT delay the election? We're delaying and changing everything else. Why can't we have it in late November? All that matters is that Trump leaves on Jan 21st. We could actually push it back till December.
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if no election is held is office of president vacant in Jan 2021
FRAUDULENT
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oh how I wish trump had spelled it "wrong' or like kolean/Japanese/chinese = FlAUTULENT
With today's dire economic news I haven't seen Liberals this happy since IED's were killing and maiming our troops in Iraq in 2004.
Look, we are not going to allow ballot harvesting and blank mail in ballots to be counted at the last minute and the democrats need to be reasonable and stop pretending it's not a legitimate fear.
If people can go down to the Publix,gas station, Costco and protest in the streets they can certainly go to their usual voting places. Hire an extra person to sanitize and spray lysol every couple of hours on the voting booth and we can call this good.
...and now he's thinking of declaring himself king!!!
this cant possibly be chain-yankee stuff.
Freder Frederson said...
"Can someone explain the why "universal mail in voting" is bad but "absentee voting" is good?"
I'll simplify it for you. Absentee voting is a smaller subset of total votes as compared to in-person early voting and voting on Election Day. Absentee voting ranged from 12% to 22% of total votes cast over the last 7 national elections. Not insignificant, but not the whole megillah. Others have pointed out the potential for fraud or negligent mishandling of votes when they are mailed in. Amplify that by a factor of 5 or almost 10 and the potential for major issues goes up accordingly.
More mask debate. Say "mask debate" a few times fast and it becomes comedy illustrative.
Source for the absentee voting percentages:
U.S. Election Assistance Commission White Paper
I have many stories about the abuse of absentee ballots, including my favorite kind of caper, which I have never done or condoned personally, but which happened regularly in my neighborhood. I was one of the goo-goos. But, to keep it short....
The dead in Chicago vote entirely by absentee. No mope goes to the polling place on election day pretending to be some rando dead voter.
"Is an absentee ballot really secret?"
In Montana, yes. For absentee there are 3 envelopes: the one it comes in, one one it's returned in, and a blue secrecy envelope that holds the ballot itself. The blue envelope is separated from the rest of the package on election day and after verification of the signature under the flap of the return envelope.
Dead voters would flunk signature verification.
Eventually some poor schmucks have to take the *anonymous* ballots out of the blue envelopes and flatten them out to go into the counting machine.
No one has a clue how you voted.
Only scheme I can think up is all D's mark the outside of the return envelope in an agreed way and *all* the ballot receiptors are in on it and trash the ones that aren't marked. Somehow.
Best I can do for now.
If it's not immediately obvious how the results of voting by mail can easily be manipulated, either you think you're going to benefit from it or you're just not very bright.
What the hell? It's not that complicated. He's just putting the issue of Democrats cheating on the front page. And it won't be the last time. People need to consider that inevitability every time he brings it up. This is just another way to get it talked about. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigarette.
I think we should not have the election -- or church, sports, school, the performing arts, funerals, weddings, or travel -- until the teachers decide they feel safe. Might be five weeks, might be fifty years. They'll let us know.
The left is plastering this all over the internet saying that here it is, Trump wants to delay or cancel the election through an executive order or just extra-judicial action. But when I read the tweet I don't see where he proposed to do this on his own at all.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
If Trump postpones the election and tries to stay in office past the end of his term, that would be an overt act of treason and punishable by death or imprisonment for not less than five years. Moreover, as he would be committing the crime after the end of his term, he can't pardon himself for it. As he would be in the act of committing a felony, any federal law enforcement officer would have probable cause to arrest him. If he resists arrest ... law and order baby.
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This sounds so deranged and intellectually-garbled that it easily could have been written by the emotionally-incontinent Laurence Tribe, who actually lives in Cambridge.
Is that you, Larry?
gadfly said:
In light of the sad news that Herman Cain died of Covid-19 after having attending a Trump rally without mask, Trump should not be pulling anybody's chain.
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Correlation does not equal causation. How many other people attended that rally and died of covid?
If you don't know, you're just bloviating.
What’s his intention on doing so?
I've said it before, I'll say it again: voting should not be easy. It is consequential. If it is easy you don't give it much thought. Add that mail in votes may easily be manipulated and corrupted and you have a solid argument to disallow it.
Howard said...
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
Obama said its impossible for Putin to hack 52 separate elections for President. If you have a bitch with that, take it up with the light bringer.
wholelottasplainin' said...
Left Bank of the Charles said...
If Trump postpones the election and tries to stay in office past the end of his term, that would be an overt act of treason
Its a lot easier For President Trump to get our allies to spy on Biden and other powerful Democrats, Run human assets at the Dems, get them in compromising positions, maybe set them up with hookers pee on beds and leak documents, bank transfers, e mails to the media. Hunter would be a great target for Mossad to work over. All of this quite above board, well with in the US power to do counter intelligence investigations for national security. Or so the Democrats have explained to me.
Every election day, you get to about 7:30PM and in Democrat run cities like Detroit, Milwaukee and Cleveland Democrat advocacy groups start getting injunctions to keep polls open longer.
We already know that the Post Office's sloppy delivery means thousands of ballots sent on time could be delayed by weeks.
You can bet big city Democrats are already drafting the memos about why we need to keep the polls open an extra six hours because of social distancing, and accept mail-in ballots an extra three days... five days... two weeks.
Then when the big cities have tallied up just enough votes to outweigh the out-counties, their votes will be certified and every squeaker will be in the Democrats' favor.
Just watch.
I hope, when election day comes, everybody who shrieked about Trump today screams just as loud if the elections in Democrat cities suddenly start announcing that the election needs to go a little beyond November 3rd after all.
As if.
Every damn day, we're warned to wear our masks. I hope the same people stay on people's asses to send their mail-in ballots two weeks early cause if it ain't there by the fourth it won't count. But you know they won't. They'll be standing there crying at the judge's chambers that democracy will die if the election Trump suggested postponing is actually over on November 3rd.
You would think after 4 years of Trump that journalists could read Trump. His humor is a lot like Rush Limbaugh's. Both crack me up.
I started laughing when I read what Trump had tweeted this morning knowing it would drive liberals and the media crazy. His real point was changing the date of the election is just as bad an idea as mail in ballots.
Wild Chicken asserts that the dead's absentee ballots are caught in signature verification.
No forgery? Every election checker is a forensic writing expert? Does the party in charge of elections, which in Chicago would be the Democrats for the past 90 years, have any incentive to investigate voter fraud by its own minions? Have you graduated elementary school yet?
Wild Chicken,
It's not about the ballots that arrive by election day. It's about the house to house collection of mail in ballots from people who didn't get around to voting the morning after election day when the voting trends are starting to get clearer, followed by the discovery of a bunch of mail-in ballots that really should be counted because people didn't realize they hadn't voted in time.
If you will join me in fiercely demanding that any ballot not postmarked by 11/3 and received by 11/5 gets dropped in the shredder, I'll join you in supporting mail-in voting.
But come the first injunction to consider ballots not received on time and I'm assuming fraud.
Secrecy of absentee ballots? Have you heard of ballot harvesting? How many "voters" get a mail-in ballot but who aren't really interested get "help" from activists to fill out their ballot?
I realize that having 1,000 homeless people use a single address for their ballot as in King County [Seattle] Washington recently is fine. The homeless vote, about which I'm sure they debated the issues in their camps, is just another fine example of expanding the franchise. I'm not a h8ter.
@stevew
did you mean this?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1288253717326770177
congrats on your new 'digs'! (present/future)
Absentee voting is a smaller subset of total votes as compared to in-person early voting and voting on Election Day.
Absentee ballots are also requested so there is a chain of custody. Freder does not know what that is.
He's not yanking their chain. He is maneuvering them into making public statements opposing delaying the election to make it harder for them to come up with some such stunt themselves. In the same way, he claimed "I'm in charge!" of the coronavirus response in order to get the Governors and Mayors to yell "No! We're responsible," which is what he wanted and what they should have said in the first place.
It was a stupid tweet.
Howard said...
Putin can't hack mailed votes.
He doesn't have to, you idiot. Are all Democrats this dumb or are you trying to act like Waddler?
So if no election, Pelosi becomes president? Ok!
Blogger Michael said...
He's not yanking their chain. He is maneuvering them into making public statements opposing delaying the election to make it harder for them to come up with some such stunt themselves. In the same way, he claimed "I'm in charge!" of the coronavirus response in order to get the Governors and Mayors to yell "No! We're responsible," which is what he wanted and what they should have said in the first place.
I was starting to write this and saw this and stopped. Because this is what I was going to write.
It's so painfully obvious to anyone who isn't blinded by partisanship.
We are going to have a fraudulent election aren't we?
If I set myself to thinking how a postal vote can be corrupted, well there are really a lot of ways. And some of them are kind of easy. A fraudulent election is a sure thing. It's not a maybe.
My mother-in-law got a mail-in ballot for the primary in Philadelphia, to an address in Kentucky. She hasn't lived there for two years.
Even if this is an edge case - which I hope is true - the fact that Democrats were squealing about marginal differences between a win and a loss means that edge cases are actually extremely important.
It also exemplifies that a single vote can sway an election.
The economy did not drop 32% in one quarter. It does beg the question why the mainstream media would suddenly ANNUALIZE a figure always reported QUARTERLY. Wonder what drove this change in behavior.
The Commerce Department has always reported quarterly GDP growth at an annualized rate. This is normal.
“Blogger Inga said...
He’s done. It’s almost over, thank goodness.”
Oh, Inga. SMH.
Readering said...
So if no election, Pelosi becomes president? Ok!
7/30/20, 10:44 PM
No, Chuck Grassley. Pelosi has an election too.
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