Here's the transcript.
I seek to amend this legislation, not because I take it or I take lynching lightly, but because I take it seriously, and this legislation does not. Lynching is a tool of terror that claimed the lives of nearly 5,000 Americans between 1881 and 1968. But this bill would cheapen the meaning of lynching by defining it so broadly as to include a minor bruise or abrasion. Our nation’s history of racial terrorism demands more seriousness from us than that.... It would be a disgrace for the Congress of the United States to declare that a bruise is lynching, that an abrasion is lynching, that any injury to the body, no matter how temporary, is on par with the atrocities done to people like Emmett Till, Raymond Gunn, and Sam Hose, who were killed for no reason, but because they were black. To do that would demean their memory and cheapen the historic and horrific legacy of lynching in our country.... We have had federal hate crime statutes for over 50 years, and it has been a federal hate crime to murder someone because of their race for over a decade. Additionally, murder is already a crime in 50 states. In fact, rather than consider a good-intentioned but symbolic bill, the Senate could immediately consider addressing qualified immunity and ending police militarization. We can and must do better....At the link — the heated response from Senators Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. Harris accuses Paul of having "no reason... other than cruel and deliberate obstruction on a day of mourning." Booker praises Rand Paul — doesn't "question his heart" — but stresses what it "would mean for America" to pass the bill right now instead of getting hung up on "legalistic issues."
Let’s give a headline tomorrow of something that will give hope to this country.... It may not cure the ills that so many are protesting about but God, it can be a sign of hope.Paul responds that he's worried about "unintended consequences":
We’ve fought the battle against mandatory minimums for a decade now because we tie up people in sentencing that makes no sense.... Do we want a black woman who slapped three Jewish women in New Jersey to get 10 years in prison? If there was a group of them, it’s now a conspiracy to lynch. We have to use some common sense here.... So all of us here are advocates on the same side of criminal justice reform, we all have argued on the same side that the law is screwed up, and has incarcerated too many people unfairly. That’s what I’m trying to prevent here, and so the thing is is I understand the emotions on it. You think I take great joy in being here? No. I’m a sponsor of 22 criminal justice bills. You think I’m getting any good publicity out of this? No, I will be excoriated by simple-minded people on the internet who think somehow I don’t like Emmett Till or appreciate the history and the memory of Emmett Till. I’ll be lectured to by everybody....
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Legislation enacted in the heat of the moment is how we get bad laws.
Some day sanity will return. Will it be November 4?
Harris accuses Paul of having "no reason... other than cruel and deliberate obstruction on a day of mourning."
This is totally shameful. Sen. Paul is absolutely reasonable here. The Dems want a headline: Republicans block anti-lynching bill.
The Dems rule and manipulate by headlines and emotion.
I've seen Booker and Harris in person. They are both fake. They just spout clichés and slogans.
If Harris ends up as VP or President, we are in big trouble. But man! She is good looking. Willie Brown picked out a good one to bang.
Booker’s response is emblematic of the Democratic party’s response to everything. Do something that feels good. Let’s not worry if it works or makes sense.
You have to give the mob something. Offer them a shiny new dime.
There are a handful of Senators and Congresspeople who are consistent in their thinking, their principals, and their words. Just a small handful. Sen. Rand is one of those. And on this he's absolutely correct. Our government 'leaders', our Congress, have a long and stupid history of passing symbolic laws that usually do nothing that they are intended to do, and everything that no one thought about them doing.
Kamala Harris and Cory Booker are two peas of the same pod. They are both symbolic, empty-worded, light thinkers who are looking for a photo-op here. This bill would change nothing today other than make some photo-ops. But tomorrow, this bill will have major unintended consequences.
Would it be too much to ask our 'leaders' to fucking read and think about the bills they are always in such a rush to pass? Morons.
Remember at the Constitutional Convention when the Founders agreed that the purpose of Congress was to give good headlines?
"Harris accuses Paul of having "no reason... other than cruel and deliberate obstruction on a day of mourning." Booker . . . stresses what it "would mean for America" to pass the bill right now instead of getting hung up on "legalistic issues." Let’s give a headline tomorrow"
These are the people nice liberal women have voted for routinely, Althouse occasionally excepted.
He's right. Of course the hacks in the hack D press will smear him as racist. The idiots on The View will smear him.
The real racists and Clintonian law-fascists are the democratics attempting to water down lynching and criminalize a bruise.
"No, I will be excoriated by simple-minded people on the internet…"
And in the Senate.
Let’s give a headline tomorrow of something that will give hope to this country....
Oh.My.Goodness. So Congress just passes laws to make themselves look good, without any serious consideration as to the consequences? I have long thought this, but to see it stated so clearly by a member of Congress just shredded any last bit of confidence in or good will toward our political class that remained in me. How stupid can you be to not realize that the laws you pass affect the lives of real people?
Booker ... stresses what it "would mean for America" to pass the bill right now instead of getting hung up on "legalistic issues."
Yeah! I don't want our Legislature wasting time on legalistic issues when they're making laws. None of that crap now, we're in a hurry!
Booker is such a fool. "Legalistic issues" are the kinds of things that cause dissention and struggle for years if not decades. But Booker wants to virtue signal.
I have often wondered why some politicians wanted an anti-lynching law when there are no more lynchings, but the answer is to redefine the word. If it is changed enough, then we can say there are hundreds or thousands of lynchings annually, and the media can pretend they are the same as real lynchings. Just like opposing illegal immigration is “anti-immigrant” to them. And if every unwanted kiss is a”sexual assault”, then thousands of college students become “sexual assault survivors”.
"Let’s give a headline tomorrow of something that will give hope to this country.... It may not cure the ills that so many are protesting about but God, it can be a sign of hope."
So in other words, let's pass a crap bill that makes us FEEL good. Just because it will do more harm than good is irrelevant because we can all FEEL better about passing it.
"Let’s give a headline tomorrow..."
There, that's the problem.
Sen. Rand: "Justice has to have a brain and has to have vision and can’t be hamstrung into something that could give someone 10 years in prison for a minor crime."
He's not wrong, and in our haste to look like we're doing good, we often end up doing nothing, or worse...we set in motion bad things.
Democrats are the party of big government over-law.
Can a democratic politician look into your heart and find your desire to lynch someone? yes they can! So be careful and do not accidentally bump into anyone, you might end up in prison.
After the response to the Chinese virus, America seems willing to accept hysteria as the governing force of political life.
the point here isn't the law - it's lying about the law and then yelling that the R's are all racist because they didn't fall in line. Media(D) will aid in the big production.
Yep, Rand Paul will be trashed because he is willing to let a crisis go to waste. The rest of these worthless fools in charge of our law making will cave to media pressure instead of taking the time to think things through and get legislation as close to right as they can.
We could survive having the worst political class in the history of our country if we didn't also have the the worst media in the history of the planet.
But because we have both, you won't believe what happens next.
More cheap BS theater from the party of SCHITT.
Hmmmm...." premeditated extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor"
The collusion, impeachment and other tropes without any foundation in facts seems to fit quite accurately.
It's all a scam.
This from last year
https://newsone.com/3846357/anti-lynching-law-senate/
I saw a video of a black man kicking an elderly female asian in the head. Would that be considered a 'lynching' under the proposed law?
Btw, all these 'no justice no peace' protests does remind me of something, of the KKK 'protesting' and demanding a judicial 'lynching'. It seems the democrats never left the KKK behind, just changed the labels.
Dave Begley said ... I've seen Booker and Harris in person. They are both fake. They just spout clichés and slogans.
How can you be so insensitive to Spartacus?
And Kamala busted her ass to get where she is ...
... or at least Wille Brown did.
This is Democrat (sorta) Black leadership. Can they fool the African American community once again?
Is lynching a thing now?
How about a law that says the police cannot sit on your neck.
Legislation enacted in the heat of the moment is how we get bad laws.
You do realize that the U.S. has been trying to pass a Federal Anti-Lynching law for 120 years.
latest twists, is from fusion foer, likening this to the uprising in serbia and the arab spring,
“If it feels good do it” is not a foundation for civilization.
And another thing. According to the statistics there is way mor black on white crime then vice versa. Does that mean more blacks wil be convinced of 'lynching' or is this a case of 'minorities can't be racist'?
It seems to me that these kind of laws are an assault on Justice itself. Perhaps the USA could take a shortcut and just go for Stalinist 'people's justice'.
Jussie Smollett did his hoax in order to provide evidence that the Senate needs to pass this lynching law, which was promoted by Senator Corey Booker and Senator Kamala Harria. That is why Smollett still had the noose around his neck when the police came to interview him.
The lynching law is supposed to federalize any crime where a Black is attacked by two or more Whites.
At the time of Smollett's hoax, both Booker and Harris were running for the nomination of the Democrat Party's presidential candidate. If nominated, either Booker or Harris would make a big issue out of the Republicans' opposition to the lynching law -- opposition to federalizing all such crimes.
Smollett was supporting mostly Harris, but he certainly would have been happy if Booker had been nominated instead.
Smollett got caught, but he had to be released by the Democrats who control Illinois. Smollett knew too much and might eventually talk.
It all seems an effort to erode and repeal the 1st and 2nd ammendment.
Hate crimes legislation is a joke.
But Cory will cry if he doesn't get a piece of legislation with his name on it, so he will eventually get it.
Rand Paul on domestic issues is quite wonderful. If only his foreign policy wasn’t so rigidly isolationist.l, I could get behind him for 2024 despite my respect for Pence.
How about a high-tech lynching?
Picking a side. So complicated. Maybe if I used a filter. Filter out emotional appeals.
That was fast. Paul is the only position to support.
I wish someone would show up to tell men how smart Harris and Booker are. I warn you up front I reject "because they are Black" as an element of any position. Because I'm racist. My betters tell me so.
Unintended consequences seem to be the sole purpose of much legislation. Pass it before sane people can read it then spend a decade in court correcting the flaws OR new laws to stop the loopholes in the old law.
There was a time when it was the Democrats blocking anti-lynching laws.
Next up: giving the "Stink Eye" will get you five years in the slammer.
The reason the left criminalized, is because they think their prosecutors will not charge them.
After seeing the riots, I think they are correct.
"Would it be too much to ask our 'leaders' to fucking read and think about the bills they are always in such a rush to pass?"
Yes.
Nancy Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."
"could give someone 10 years in prison for a minor crime"
Just in case anyone thought Dems were opposed to prisons and tough sentencing and the "carceral state."
Just in case anyone thought Dems ever argue anything in good faith.
Sen. Rand: "Justice has to have a brain and has to have vision and can’t be hamstrung into something that could give someone 10 years in prison for a minor crime."
I thought we needed to empty the prisons. Oh well, there is one crime that will still be cause for prison. Of course, all offenders will be white.
This was the law Booker and Harris wanted passed when Jussie set up his fake "lynching" and both Booker and Harris came out screaming "A MODERN DAY LYNCHING, A MODERN DAY LYNCHING" and it was fake. Jussie was friendly with both of them. (along with the Obamas) It was a set up and it backfired because Jussie is a sucky actor.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/harris-booker-call-attack-black-gay-actor-attempted-modern-day-n964326
When the hell has Rand Paul or any other libertarian gotten any good notice from the left anyway?
I've considered him right most of the time, if pretty lightweight, but here he towers over the other senators.
Narr
Harris and Booker give good headline
Senator Rand Paul said, "...Lynching is a tool of terror that claimed the lives of nearly 5,000 Americans between 1881 and 1968...."
Senator Paul missed an interesting rhetorical flourish here. He might have said, "...that claimed the lives of nearly 5,000 Americans over four-score and seven years..."
I can think of some headlines that would give me hope.
My lord, our elected “leaders” have become absolute and utter idiots. We have come to idiocracy, but it’s not the citizens, its our supposed “leaders”:
It is a bit rich for Senator Fellatio Harris to chew the scenery over Senator Rand’s response, considering how many African Americans she locked up during her tenure as a DA
Paul has no reason to oppose the bill, except for all the reasons he clearly presented and explained.
Read the bill, it’s really over the top. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/35/text
The only reason for this bill is to declare Chauvin guilty before the trial, and to punish him before the sentencing, IOW, to lynch him. This is not metaphorical, or some Booker-style drama-queening— Chauvin will be murdered in prison, if he survives long enough to get there.
CA changes the law so the following are no longer felonies: property theft up to $900, sexual battery, sexual battery against a minor, simple assault, 3rd degree burglary and more. But saying “all lives matter” and that bruising isn’t lynching is intolerable? Increasingly fully half the public “debates” include 50% crazytalk we would have laughed off a few months ago. It’s like the global warming modelers have modeled human behavior with the same attention to detail (cough) and the “human” models are actually controlling these people creating an uncanny valley effect when I hear them speak. In short I’m no longer confident that Harris and Booker and many others are even really human beings at all and not “bots gone wild” trying to effect a coup.
Ironically, kamala harris and Cory Booker's BS will probably land more innocent blacks in prison.
Booker and Harris are two of the most empty suited senators, and that’s saying something... cause they’re mostly empty suited.
They have something else in common though. They both suck cock apparently.
Kamala Harris is a shameless, lying whore.
"You do realize that the U.S. has been trying to pass a Federal Anti-Lynching law for 120 years."
Odd. Thanks for enlightening me!! And here I thought it's always been against the law to murder someone!
They were trying to pass this when Jussie Smollet got lynched, right?
In honor of Brionna Taylor, they should be investigating no-knock raids.
I am totally finished with this issue. Done. And Floyd was a common criminal who died with multiple illegal drugs running through him which contributed to his resisting arrest, which contributed to him busting out of the police car after he had been peacefully arrested. He was not a gentle giant. He was a giant asshole.He bears no conceivable comparison to Till or any other true martyr of the civlil rights movement which was successfully completed over a half a fucking century ago. The left is displaying systemic stupidity.
You gotta hand it to white liberals and black elites.
Just as blacks start to realize they're being used, and want off the plantation, libs find a way to get blacks to demand back on the plantation, demand to be used...again. Still.
Senator Paul is right.
And he is making a thoughtful, careful, principled argument for his position.
But Senator Paul’s problem is that he has no help from his President. Trump is incapable of thoughtful, careful, principled arguments. Trump can only do the blunt, the simplistic, the emotional. And in the case of the so-called anti-lynching bill, the battlespace for simplistic, blunt, emotional arguments has already been taken by the likes of Senators Booker and Harris.
This is precisely how Trump has so badly damaged much of modern conservatism.
Sen. Paul needs to come out and say the obvious. If this law passes as it now stands, ten or twenty years down the line some Federal ADA is going to use the law to send a group of black kids to jail for 10 years over a fist fight by using the exact wording of the law, not some intentions that were bandied about during the law's deliberations.
The people pushing this bill are evil.
They know it will be selectively applied.
The Libertarian philosophy, if carried through by libertarian Legislators, should do much to eliminate systemic racism in this country. It should also go far to reduce systemic poverty. "Poverty" - like "race" - is an amorphous and ill-defined concept. As such it is subject to manipulation, gaming, legal abuse, and fraud.
Is "poverty" defined by income, by wealth (assets), by both, by some other standard? Living costs vary throughout the country. Is to be a single national standard for "needs based" re-distribution, or standards adjusted by ZIP code? Are we to have thousands of well paid, job secure bureaucrats empowered to decide who is and is not in "poverty?"
Frankly, there is one sure and certain way to reduce the absolute magnitude of waste and fraud in Government. That is to reduce the size and power of Government, and that is the pledge of Libertarians.
"the U.S. has been trying to pass a Federal Anti-Lynching law for 120 years."
Not "trying" very hard, apparently. You'd think that all those times the D's held all 3 branches of the federal government (like, say, when Carter or Clinton or Obama were in office) they'd have gotten it done, but somehow it must have slipped their minds.
It helps to understand what anti-lynching law is. It is a combination of conspiracy law and hate crime law.
Senator Paul does not oppose a federal anti-lynching law. He is a strong supporter of such a law. What he is proposing is that the draconian punishments in the new law be limited to actions which cause actual, significant harm rather than a mere attempt to cause minor, insignificant bodily injury.
The bill mandates up to 10 years for anyone conspiring with another to attempt to cause "bodily injury" (based on the usual hate crime identifiers) using the following definition:
(4) the term "bodily injury" means-
(A) a cut, abrasion, bruise, burn, or disfigurement;
(B) physical pain;
(C) illness;
(D) impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty; or
(E) any other injury to the body, no matter how temporary.
Let’s give a headline tomorrow ....
I heard Kamala gives good headline.
Perhaps Inga can explain to us why white supremacist boogaloos trashed the Abraham Lincoln statue in LONDON? Those guys in Hawaiian shirts sure get around.
Vandalizing the statue of the president who freed the slaves. The Left wants to erase America.
Never let a crisis go to waste, and the Dems seem intent on making good on that. What's weird is that they can't figure out how such a law would be used by some prosecutor to go after their team. The stats show that 86% of interracial assaults (black/white) consist of blacks attacking whites, a reality that hasn't changed much over the years and which even Jesse Jackson acknowledged many years ago (and has been trying to downplay ever since). It's the same reality with gun possession crimes -- if they were enforced, the Dems would be up in arms once it became clear who was being charged.
So good for Rand Paul, and shame on the Senate leadership if they allow virtue-signalling stuff like this to come up for a vote on the Senate floor.
This is an easy one to address. Just tack on a "words are rape" segment of this law. Directed at cat calling. Remember "Hollaback" and the feminist attempt to make cat calling a crime? Its only fair. Once they start rounding up men of color due to this law....
You do realize that the U.S. has been trying to pass a Federal Anti-Lynching law for 120 years.
Fascinating. How has this been prevented? 120 years of presidential vetoes? Supreme Court decision? International Anti-Anti-Lynching-Law Treaty?
Why do Democrats feel they have to make “a statement?” Their constituents are killing, burning and looting in the streets. QThat’s all the statement the sane part of the population needs. As for the insane part, it’s all okay with thems - all of it.
The only thing the Left and it's political wing are going wind up doing is re-electing Trump and a Republican Congress. The Left continues this violence and they are going to eventually find themselves as the honorees of necktie parties. When the police are defunded, they won't show in time for the rescue.
You do realize that the U.S. has been trying to pass a Federal Anti-Lynching law for 120 years.
So why didn't they do it when President Precious had control of the House and a super majority in the Senate?
Do Senators do back and forth in real time face to face or each get a few minutes to spout from desk or podium? how does filibuster happen then? or is just threat of doing it enough?
However did Senate get label GREATEST DELIBERATIVE BODY?
Teach me and posterity some history please!
BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
Ironically, kamala harris and Cory Booker's BS will probably land more innocent blacks in prison.
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not if Soros is able to install more of his DA's and AG's
what are you assuming to make your claim?
My problem with "Libertarians" is their locution using "college level words" while what is needed in "elementary school level".
need to know how to communicate.
I am enjoying very, very much watching the rubble bounce as many of you respond to Freder's witlessness.
The Hawaiian bogaaloos - (what few there are) I notice they don't cover their faces with masks like cowardly leftwing fascist Antifa sociopaths do.
why is that?
Antifa want to slash and burn, and then run and hide behind the leftwing media's skirt.
Harris and Booker want an emotional bill passed for emotional reasons.
Richard Dolan: "Never let a crisis go to waste, and the Dems seem intent on making good on that. What's weird is that they can't figure out how such a law would be used by some prosecutor to go after their team."
Maybe, just maybe, the far left/Soros funded District Attorney project has the left believing that they will never be held to any legal standard while the opponents of the left/libs/dems/LLR-left will be?
And I am sure you know this, that is already exactly what we have.
Rabel
you forgot one (see (F))
A) a cut, abrasion, bruise, burn, or disfigurement;
(B) physical pain;
(C) illness;
(D) impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty; or
(E) any other injury to the body, no matter how temporary.
(F) He looked at me funny
The bizarro part of this is Paul proposal--ending qualified immunity--is far more radical and would (in my opinion) be far more effective at addressing the problems the current legislation seeks to fix.
“Perhaps Inga can explain to us why white supremacist boogaloos trashed the Abraham Lincoln statue in LONDON? Those guys in Hawaiian shirts sure get around.
Vandalizing the statue of the president who freed the slaves. The Left wants to erase America.”
There are right wing extremists around the world. Each country has their own brand. That deserves a “duh”.
Booker's words are, of course, a declaration that he's utterly unfit to be a legislator.
[1] Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
[2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
More and more, I see the danger of people who are largely motivated to appear good, and to feel like they are good people.
Legalistic issues seem the entire reason for legislation, you asshat Democrat sgitprop bullshitter.
Nara 2:04-
Read RAble's post @ 12:35
I might be wrong here but it seems to me if the law is applied to all--
A-E land people in prison for minor stuff.
How many laws does it take to make something illegal? How many ways must it be defined? Does virtue signaling about a crime enhance the sentencing? This bill is more about Harris and Booker's weak attempt for personal publicity.
Can we all agree with Freder Frederson that Democratics have needed a law to tell other Democratics not to lynch people since the Democratics created the militant wing of the Democratics Party know as the KKK?
I think Democratics should be less racist too, Freder Frederson.
Senator Rand Paul said, "...Lynching is a tool of terror that claimed the lives of nearly 5,000 Americans between 1881 and 1968...."
Notice he says “Americans”, not “blacks”. It would have helped if he had also said that almost 30% of those lynchings were of whites, not blacks.
South Carolina's anti-lynching law defines it as two or more individuals assaulting a single person. As a result, more blacks have been convicted of lynching that whites under this law. BTW, most, if not all, states already have an anti-lynching law and we also have federal civil rights laws that can be used if the state does not enforce theirs. We don't need more federal crimes.
he could have been more dramatic if he had said many Senators including Joe Biden have attempted lynching in those hallow (hollow) chambers e/g/ Clarence Thomas
Political posturing in a political year. Reforms are needed. Radicalism is not.
From the bills blustering prelude to the actual changes: single bias hate crimes. 59.2 percent based on racial, ethnic or ancestral bias, and of those, 52.2 percent were anti-black bias.
So, 31 percent of all hate crimes were against black people. 69 percent of all hate crimes were against non-black people. For every black hate crime, there are two non-black hate crimes?
Maybe I’m misinterpreting what has been written in this bill, here, or the relevance.
FleetUSA said...
"Unintended consequences seem to be the sole purpose of much legislation"
The consequences are entirely intended.
Like most if not all of this type of legislation the intention is to control and limit the rights of the population as a whole. To make the federal government the sole arbiter of what is good and right and just. Your conscience be damned.
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