May 7, 2020

“Justice Dept. Drops Case Against Michael Flynn.”

NYT reports.
The extraordinary move comes amid a sustained attack by Mr. Flynn’s lawyers on prosecutors and the F.B.I., accusing them of egregious conduct. In recent days, Mr. Flynn’s lawyers said the Justice Department had uncovered new documents that pointed to misconduct.

In a possible sign of disagreement with the Justice Department decision, Brandon L. Van Grack, an assistant United States attorney who led the prosecution of Mr. Flynn, abruptly withdrew from the case on Thursday. Mr. Flynn’s lawyers have repeatedly attacked Mr. Van Grack by name in court filings, citing his “incredible malfeasance.”

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Original Mike said...

"Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do."

Yeah. Justice.

Leland said...

Remember everyone; creating a personal email server to manage TS-SCI material in your own home is best adjudicated by administrative punishment. But taking photos of such material on your phone is a year in prison, plus 6 months home confinement, and another 3 years of electronic monitoring. And lying to the FBI is 3 years of prosecution and 6 months of jail, unless you don't recall and the FBI gives everyone you know prosecutorial immunity in case they do recall.

dreams said...

"It isn’t over yet.

Shutting down the economy is another episode of this conspiracy to Get Trump."

The shut down is going to cost a lot more lives than it saves but if it ultimately gets Trump defeated, the crooked liberal media and the Democrat crooks will consider themselves victorious, discounting the many lives sacrificed.

Drago said...

victoria: "Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do.
Vicki from Pasadena"

The hoax dossier is a hoax.
The O-biden-bama administration spied on and framed political opponents.
The Logan Act "concerns" is an absolute made up joke.
The DOJ and FBI lied to courts.
The FBI manufactured evidence against Carter Page and Flynn.
The DOJ conspired to hide evidence from the Flynn case judge and replacement defense counsel.
The DOJ conspired with Flynn's original defense counsel to set Flynn up for a FARA violation.
The DOJ used the FARA violation setup to threaten Flynn's son with prosecution and imprisonment.

victoria approves of every one of the above actions.

Every. Single. One.

Without exception.

And she, along with Lunatic Collusion Truther Inga, still believes Carter Page is a russian spy.

Drago said...

Michael K: "Vicki is as clueless as Inga."

Indeed.

They both remain russia collusion truthers and Kavanaugh is a gang rape leader truthers.

dreams said...

"victoria said...
Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do.


Vicki from Pasadena"

Or so says the little old lady from Pasadena.

gilbar said...

still believes Carter Page is a russian spy.
victoria? igna?
comments?

Do YOU Still believe? I'd like to hear what YOU have to say on this
Don't let people put words in your mouths.... TELL us what You think!

StephenFearby said...

NYT:

'...The special counsel’s prosecutors considered Mr. Flynn a key early cooperator as “one of the few people with long-term and firsthand insight” into their inquiry into whether any Trump associates criminally conspired with Russia’s 2016 election interference.'

And the special counsel's prosecutors only got bupkis from Flynn, because Flynn had only bupkis to give.

The Mueller Report also only offered bupkis about whether Trump or his associates had "criminally conspired with Russia's 2016 election interference", based on the discredited Steele Dossier.

Which they knew was discredited from the very beginning of the investigation.

Original Mike said...

I love this idea. Gonna be amazing when Trump appoints Flynn to head the FBI, and Flynn then prosecutes a variety of Democrats for violating the Logan Act.

Jon Ericson said...

Here ya go, Doc

Drago said...

What is most amusing is how the lefties knowledge of this Flynn case, as with russia collusion lies and the hoax dossier lies and Carter Page is a russian spy lies are all rooted in what the lefties thought they understood in January 2017.

And that's when the very small brains of our lefties "switched off", solidifying as "truth" what they thought they understood then.

It wasn't that long ago that Inga posted a link, supposedly to disprove a point I was making, that was from 2018!

And this is why in Lefty Lunatic Land none of this makes any sense other than Trump is somehow even more evil!

Not a single discovery based on released documents and court room evidence that has come out from 2017 to this very day has any impact on these idiots.

Gahrie said...

Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do.

Remember all of those times when Holder refused to do what Obama wanted?

Yeah..me neither.

Amadeus 48 said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Van Grack better get ready to be a professional defendant for the next ten years.

Original Mike said...

Watching TV. Today's talking points:

Flynn lied to Pence!

Van Grack withdrew in protest.

buwaya said...

"Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do."

Thats what government ministers are supposed to do anywhere, throughout history, no?
Thats comes with the concept of hierarchy.
To do otherwise is to revolt. That is common enough, but usually requires a resignation in normal practice.

The major traditional exception interestingly is China. The Chinese classics, (notably and most directly in the story of the concubines in Sima Qian's commentary on the "Art of War") the basis for education of the Mandarinate, imply the independence of subordinates once appointed by the Emperor. This has been used to justify lots of insubordinate and insurrectionist acts, and is quite notorious for that reason. Of course the Chinese classics were what amounted to the Chinese "constitution".

Original Mike said...

When does Grenell release Schifty's transcripts?

narciso said...


the history of covert activities isn't particularly impressive, for example,

“Me and my staff were all Fidelistas,” boasted Robert Reynolds, the CIA’s “Caribbean Desk’s specialist on the Cuban Revolution” from 1957-1960. Reynolds was visiting Cuba and chumming it up with Fidel himself at the time of his boast, during a conference” in 2001.

Lansdale was better with Magsaysay as partner, maybe a little less so with diem, defeating the bay vien pirates, in the rung sat,

Lovernios said...

A lot of good commentary. All I can add is: "FAIRPLAY!! SEGERA HUBUNGI!!!"

Churchy LaFemme: said...

It's tempting to think of the ending of "Captain Blood" in this context. Flynn needs to get his life back, I suspect.

Heh. Flynn² indeed!

narciso said...

in the earlier example, they had a seemingly sterling young woman, the mit educated daughter of a Bacardi executive, vouch for fidel and company, the woman was raul's future wife vilma espin,

Leland said...

Mr. Flynn’s lawyers have repeatedly attacked Mr. Van Grack by name in court filings, citing his “incredible malfeasance.”

Almost as bad as inconceivable.

stevew said...

"is it simply the natural consequence of being the third and fourth generations of unearned privilege, status, and wealth?"


Yes. They never have to take any risks, they don't take chances that fail and then have to pick themselves up, they are soft thinking having never really been challenged, their achievements were cost free.

It doesn't make them bad people, it's not really their fault, and HW isn't to blame for doing what he thinks best for his children. See also: the Kennedys.

J. Farmer said...

@buwaya:

Thats what government ministers are supposed to do anywhere, throughout history, no?
Thats comes with the concept of hierarchy.
To do otherwise is to revolt. That is common enough, but usually requires a resignation in normal practice.


All true. But the relationship between an executive and an attorney general is a bit more complicated because of the latter's role. It's of course ridiculous to complain about "politicization" of the Justice Department, which is a political organization. But there is an inherent tension. That's why the vast majority of states elect their attorney generals, rather than have them appointed by the governor. An attorney general under an executive can more easily facilitate corrupt practice. But then again, a totally separate system would allow an attorney general to stymie an executive. It's a difficult problem to solve.

Skeptical Voter said...

Some interesting people at play here. Flynnn's prosecution was ginned up by some Washington insiders in the DOJ--and if I was as conspiratorially minded as Vicki and Inga, by others high up in the "Dear Leader Cabal--version 2008-2016".

Barr comes in--and designates a US Attorney from flyover country (Eastern District of Missouri, St. Louis)to review the Flynn matter and make a recommendation. That attorney, Jeff Jensen, spent 10 years as an FBI agent (and CPA) before going to night law school.
He has a reputation as an absolute straight shooter with high integrity. What the heck is a night law school grad doing reviewing the work of a Duke Undergrad/Harvard Law School grad like Brandon Van Gracken! A virtual deplorable looking over the shoulder of an Ivy League swell! The world turned upside down!

Well certainly the folks on the East Coast Ivy League Law circuit, along with the rest of the swamp dwellers, see that as a bug. Out in flyover country we see that as a feature.

Whatever happens hereafter, you can never call Van Gracken a straight shooter again. Character will ultimately trump credentials.

narciso said...

remember that mueller was a deep state legacy, the son in law to Charles cabell by marriage, and Richard Bissell by family connection,

J. Farmer said...

@stevew:

It doesn't make them bad people, it's not really their fault, and HW isn't to blame for doing what he thinks best for his children. See also: the Kennedys.

True. But the Kennedy's aren't WASPS; they're Irish Catholics. The old WASP stock seemed better able to regenerate itself. Whatever to the Lodge family?

FullMoon said...

I followed a link from someone here, maybe Mike K ,a year or more ago to these guys. Have been looking every day. They are totally on top of this, and other stuff too.

Some of the commenters are pretty nutty, though.


President Trump Remarks on DOJ Decision to Drop Charges Against Lt. Gen. Flynn…

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

They forced him to confess to some non-crime without a lawyer present - and then they threatened to destroy Flynn's son.

Rat fuckers.

leftwing cocksucking Hillary supporting rat fuckers.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

fuck you Arrianan huffington. Fuck you hillary.

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Drago said...

Skeptical Voter: "Barr comes in--and designates a US Attorney from flyover country (Eastern District of Missouri, St. Louis)to review the Flynn matter and make a recommendation. That attorney, Jeff Jensen, spent 10 years as an FBI agent (and CPA) before going to night law school.
He has a reputation as an absolute straight shooter with high integrity. What the heck is a night law school grad doing reviewing the work of a Duke Undergrad/Harvard Law School grad like Brandon Van Gracken! A virtual deplorable looking over the shoulder of an Ivy League swell! The world turned upside down!"

Skeptical, ponder for a moment the career risk this flyover country US Attorney just took on with this determination.

If a dem gets elected, this US Attorney is done as the dems will do what the dems always do without complaint from the media: replace every single US Attorney and key person throughout the entire Justice Dept, FBI and intel agencies with a partisan dem.

And that means flyover country US Attorney already knows that if Trump loses he will be headed to a law firm somewhere.

Gutsy move by our flyover US Attorney. A gutsy move by an uncorrupted Attorney who is simply looking at the facts.....and in democrat/Pelosi/Brennan/Comey/Mueller/Yates/Schiffty land, that is not allowed.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

The logan act. What dog shit.

Tom said...

Maybe Flynn needs to be FBI director for a while.

Iman said...

The Strzok

Now everybody, have you heard, gonna mine that vein?
Then Strzok’s the word
Don’t take no rhythm,
Don’t need no style
Gotta thirst for smirkin’
Now step in dat pile uh
Put your right hand up, swear to tell the truth
That the turd in teh pool’s a Baby Ruth
Spread the news pollution, both far and wide
Make your contributions on the sly and
Strzok it, Strzok it
Could be a winner boy you lie pretty well
Strzok it, Strzok it (Strzok)
Strzok it, Strzok it
You got your number down
Strzok it, Strzok it
Say you’re a winner but dude, you’re chicken dinner

Drago said...

BleachBit-and-Hammers: "They forced him to confess to some non-crime without a lawyer present - and then they threatened to destroy Flynn's son.
Rat fuckers."

That's the part that Inga and victoria love the most about all this.

And why not? The ability to knowingly, corruptly, railroad your political enemies, with the full knowledge and participation of the media, and having the victims of this behavior know you are doing this to them...and them not being able to do anything about it even as the media smears the victims daily.

That my friends, is Lefty Paradise.

Michael K said...


Skeptical, ponder for a moment the career risk this flyover country US Attorney just took on with this determination.


These are moves away from DC juries with their nullification strategies on Democrat convictions.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

OK, Flynn is now out from under The Logan Act. Can we just go ahead and repeal it now? At the very least the Senate should make the House go on record as to who says we shouldn't.

Drago said...

Churchy LaFemme: "OK, Flynn is now out from under The Logan Act. Can we just go ahead and repeal it now? At the very least the Senate should make the House go on record as to who says we shouldn't."

Ambiguity and the complete BS-yness of it all is a feature, not a bug, to the dems.

Iman said...

And FUCK the NYT!!!

dreams said...

"leftwing cocksucking Hillary supporting rat fuckers."

They're evil liberal psychopaths.

FullMoon said...

While meeting with Texas Governor Greg Abbott in the oval office President Trump reacted to the breaking news about the DOJ decision to drop the case against Michael Flynn.

President Trump notes Lt. Gen Flynn was “targeted by the Obama administration”, adding “a thing like this has never happened before in the history of our country”. President Trump remarked “I hope a lot of people are going to pay a big price, because they are dishonest people; they’re scum.” … “they are human scum.” “The Obama administration justice department was a disgrace, and they got caught, they got caught, they are dishonest people. But much more than dishonest, it’s treason.”

FullMoon said...




"James Comey Begs Remaining DOJ Resistance Operatives to Continue Efforts to Shield the “Small Group”…"

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

Drago - Inga and Vikki are corruption excusing jerks.
They are party first, hiveminders.

They hated Comey and now they love him.

Big Mike said...

Whatever Sidney Powell is being paid, she’s worth several times as much.

A legal malpractice suit against Covington and Burling should be easy to win but there’s a question of venue. DC juries are notorious for siding with Democrat interests.

gilbar said...

serious question
WHY IS IT, that when things like this happen; Igna go silent for a while
Almost As IF, she's Not capable of independent thought; but can Only parrot talking points
Say it's Not True, Igna!
Tell us how you feel about Carter Page? Is he Still a Russian Spy?
vickie?

Original Mike said...

"WHY IS IT, that when things like this happen; Igna go silent for a while"

I like to think she's embarrassed.

Yeah, I know. I'm a chump.

readering said...

Lawsuit against Covington would be great. Lots of discovery into the charges Flynn was facing if he didn't take the plea. And about the effect of Sullivan thinking the DOJ initial sentencing recommendation was too lenient. And other stuff.

readering said...

DC juries!!

readering said...

Remind me why Flynn was fired . . . .

Big Mike said...

There is a need to test the Logan Act using an absolutely open and shut case — John Kerry will do, but there are others. If he is charged, tried, and convicted, then it is not a zombie law. If he spends time in Leavenworth, or better yet Marion, then the law is legitimate. Any other result and it may as well be taken off the books.

Original Mike said...

Clear something up for me please. Was Flynn charged with the crime of lying to Pence?

dreams said...

"James Comey Begs Remaining DOJ Resistance Operatives to Continue Efforts to Shield the “Small Group”…"

Also, James Comey didn't commit suicide, whenever it happens...

dreams said...

"Clear something up for me please. Was Flynn charged with the crime of lying to Pence?"

No.

Original Mike said...

It's going to take a really tall bunk.

Original Mike said...

Why is "Flynn lied to Pence!" today's lefty talking point? The only thing I can think of is it's all they got.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Do you have a low mileage car for sale, Vicki ?

5/7/20, 3:52 PM

She gets around town on her broom.

Case against Flynn dropped, the salon owner in Texas goes free.

It's a great day for American patriots. Not so good for Vicki, Inga, readering, ARM...

narciso said...

then the case against apteikin, Flynn's business partner, fell apart, judge Sullivan should have omelet on his face,

Meade said...

December 18, 2018:

While Mueller’s prosecutors had argued Flynn’s decades of military service warranted a lenient sentence for the three-star general even after he had admitted lying to the FBI, it was [Judge] Sullivan who, gesturing to the American flag beside him, accused Flynn of selling his country out. Minutes later, he ponderously asked the government’s lawyers whether they had ever considered charging Flynn with treason. (No, they later answered.)

“Arguably,” [Judge] Sullivan said, describing how Flynn had secretly been working for the Turkish government before he joined the White House, “that undermines everything this flag over here stands for.”

Mark said...

In all these things, we now know what we knew two-three years ago.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"But the Kennedy's aren't WASPS; they're Irish Catholics"

Technically yes. But really, do you actually think JFK felt more at home in a South Boston bar with drunks singing "The Soldier's Song" than he did at a Beacon Hill dinner party? Or better yet (for JFK's purposes) a debutante ball?

Browndog said...

The democrat talking point that this is political will stick.

So long as no one has been indicted, arrested, or jailed for a coup against the President they control the narrative.

Hell, republicans won't even hold a fucking hearing.

The Godfather said...

The NYT says the action today is part of "Attorney General William P. Barr’s efforts to chisel away at the results of the Russia investigation." I guess the NYT forgot that the "results of the Russia investigation" were that the Trump campaign didn't collude with the Russians. But give them credit: They will never give up, no matter how much evidence there is that they are wrong.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

and now, with the subsequent Deep State centipede's shoes to drop

...will Dems cry foul!--partisan!!, and demand Barr's removal?

J. Farmer said...

@exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil:

Technically yes. But really, do you actually think JFK felt more at home in a South Boston bar with drunks singing "The Soldier's Song" than he did at a Beacon Hill dinner party? Or better yet (for JFK's purposes) a debutante ball?

JFK probably did feel more at home at a bar than anywhere else. But I take your point. WASP came to be associated with a class rather than an ethnicity. William F. Buckley is a classic example. On the surface, he looks like a textbook WASP but is of Irish Catholic provenance. Conversely, Bush was a WASP who seemed more at home as a Texas rancher.

narciso said...

everything was conducted subrosa, with the insinuations recycled by the fusion laundry that dan jones ran,

readering said...

Here's where I come for the Trumpist talking points.

FullMoon said...

readering said...

Lawsuit against Covington would be great. Lots of discovery into the charges Flynn was facing if he didn't take the plea. And about the effect of Sullivan thinking the DOJ initial sentencing recommendation was too lenient. And other stuff.


Keeping hope alive. ha ha ha!

Original Mike said...

So, apparently, Grenell did release Schiffty's transcripts today?

Browndog said...

Original Mike said...

Why is "Flynn lied to Pence!" today's lefty talking point? The only thing I can think of is it's all they got.


It's a legit point, isn't it?

Trump chose to fire Flynn. Trump sat there and watched all of his loyalists get run out of the oval office.

Yet, he didn't fire Sessions.

Martin said...

"...possible sign of disagreement..." Wow, the NYTimes is just shameless--but we knew that. Van Grack is busy lawyering up....

Flynn can't sue the United States but he can damn well sue a whole bunch of individuals.

Over at Instapundit, Prof. Reynolds has been calling for review of special immunity for police and govt officials taking bad actions under cover of their positions. Van Grack sounds like his poster child.

J. Farmer said...

So long as no one has been indicted, arrested, or jailed for a coup against the President they control the narrative.

This is never going to happen. A few small lambs may be thrown to the slaughter, but that will be it. These are entrenched systems of power. It's naive to think you can beat it by going to the ballot box every four years. The federal state is an enormous center of power. At the very best, a president can hope to achieve some strategic leverage, a few tactical victories, and manage it semi-effectively to get at least some of the things he wants. The American presidency is an impossible job.

Original Mike said...

"It's a legit point, isn't it?
Trump chose to fire Flynn. Trump sat there and watched all of his loyalists get run out of the oval office.
Yet, he didn't fire Sessions."


It's not Flynn's fault Trump didn't stand behind his people.

Michael K said...

do you actually think JFK felt more at home in a South Boston bar with drunks singing "The Soldier's Song" than he did at a Beacon Hill dinner party?

What is also funny is that the Kennedys Irish "connections" are fake. I was interested in genealogy when I visited Ireland in 1977. There was a family legend that we were related to the Boston Kennedys. There is a Kennedy Library in County Wexford where there were supposed cousins that met with Teddy. I spent some time searching that area looking for records and found zero. When I was in Dublin, I went to the genealogy office in Dublin Castle. I told my story to the clerk who then gave me John Kennedy's file. It had the original cables when he was making a trip to Ireland. They had no idea where their ancestors came from. None.

I have since learned that my ancestors came from Northern Ireland in county Armagh, a center of IRA activity. Most Kennedys came from there, too. The "cousins" seem to have been entrepreneurs.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

RK:

It’s being blared about the internet that now, finally, at last, the 30-year military veteran has got justice.

Not yet he hasn’t.

The disgusting people running the FBI — big boy James Comey, and Peter Strzok, and former head of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, among others — pursued a vendetta against Flynn, manufacturing a bogus case against him in order, first, to destroy someone that Barack Obama and his intelligence operatives detested and, second, to pursue ‘Crossfire Hurricane’, the ‘umbrella’ investigation whose goal was to destroy Donald Trump.

They were pretty successful at the first job. They smeared Flynn, then they set him up, sending Strzok and another agent to have a friendly chat with him at the White House which they weaponized into a bogus ‘you lied to the FBI’ charge. They got him fired from his position as NSA, bankrupted him through ‘the-process-is-the-punishment’ legal feels, and forced him to plead guilty to a felony by threatening his son with another bogus charge.

Due to the tireless efforts of Flynn lawyer, Sidney Powell, the DoJ has been forced to cough up incriminating memo after incriminating memo. The pot of gold came last week when Bill Priestap’s handwritten notes of a meeting with Comey and then-deputy-FBI-Director Andrew McCabe blew the proverbial whistle. ‘What is our goal?’ Priestap asked, ‘Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?’ Or maybe they should just ‘get him to admit to breaking the Logan Act, give facts to DOJ + have them decide.’

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"WASP came to be associated with a class rather than an ethnicity."

Yep. Funny, but the South probably has more whites of Anglo-Protestant descent than anywhere else in the country (if you include the Scots-Irish strain, which I do) but nobody thinks of say, Bobby Joe Smith, Georgia farmer descended from indentured servants, as a WASP. (Probably not even Bobby Joe Smith, who just thinks of himself as an American.)

Those old hardscrabble Yankee shopkeepers and fishermen and farmers were also WASPs, but they're damn near extinct. Imagine what Calvin Coolidge would make of his native state now.

Bay Area Guy said...

Gentle reminder - if Slow Joe (or his designee) win in November, none of this matters. Grenell is out. Barr is out. Durham's work will be kibboshed. Adam Schiff or Sally Yates or Eric Holder Part Deux or someone worse will be AG. And weak Chris Wray joins the bad guys to slow-walk whatever needs to be slow-walked. Elections have consequences. That's life.

Not raining on your parade. It is a great day! Just keeping the hierarchy of objectives in alignment.....,

Carry on, Comrades.

gspencer said...

Covington/Burling made Holder a partner. Now there's an AA hire.

I wonder if the firm checked pertinent clauses of its malpractice insurance policy.

narciso said...

I did find that a very disappointing start, echoing what w did with libby, after eickenrode leaked his account, eickenrode is reputedly one of durham's investigators, fwiw,

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

Hey Inga and hivemind Democratic Vikki - Tell us how you stand shoulder to shoulder with Obama's corrupt like rat fucked liars.
Will you?

Give us your take on Bill Priestap.

Here - I'll help you with his hand written note:

‘What is our goal?’ Priestap asked, ‘Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?’


FullMoon said...

Not evil, just stupid?

Nadler calls for inspector general probe over the DOJ's Flynn decision

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

Bay Area Guy - indeed. 5:32

Tho - most democrats running would cement all levels of corruption. The D-party top brass is one giant corrupt Schitt-show.

William said...

Exoneration with an asterisk. From what I've read and seen the media is playing it more as a case of Barr's interference with the course of true justice than of Flynn's innocence. People still believe Trump paid hookers to pee on Obama's bed. Those people will believe in Flynn's guilt until the day they die. It isn't much of an exoneration if over 40% of the populace believes you're some kind of Russian agent.....It isn't hypocrisy the way like the way they're willing to give Biden a pass and fry Kavanaugh. They really believe Flynn is guilty and Sally Yates is a high minded idealist. They might have some second thoughts about McCabe and his lover, however.

Charlie Currie said...

House Intel Committee transcripts released this afternoon.
Flynn case withdrawn with prejudice. Judge accepts.
Texas salon owner released from jail.
SC overturns bridgegate.

I can't imagine what tomorrow's Friday night dump will be.

It's going to be one hell of a weekend.

Jon Ericson said...

https://intelligence.house.gov/russiainvestigation/

narciso said...

yes, the media is the deepstate, Schiff is their poodle, we did into the base of the iceberg,

J. Farmer said...

@exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil:

Yep. Funny, but the South probably has more whites of Anglo-Protestant descent than anywhere else in the country (if you include the Scots-Irish strain, which I do) but nobody thinks of say, Bobby Joe Smith, Georgia farmer descended from indentured servants, as a WASP. (Probably not even Bobby Joe Smith, who just thinks of himself as an American.)

Well, the lowland Scots and North English who primarily settled the south are not quite Anglo-Saxons. The Puritans and Pilgrims from East Anglia were. Anglo-Saxonism is an all but dead ideology, but it was very prominent in 19th century American thinking. I think there is some basic truth to it. Northern Europeans pretty clearly outperform southern Europeans. Britain is a fulcrum because of its mix of Germanic, Latin, and Celtic Europeans.

Browndog said...

FullMoon said...

Not evil, just stupid?

Nadler calls for inspector general probe over the DOJ's Flynn decision


How about effective?

Using an IG got Trump impeached.

stevew said...

""But the Kennedy's aren't WASPS; they're Irish Catholics"

Good point. Joe Sr. was more of a mobster back then, it was his kids that moved into the WASP circles. In my Irish Catholic family, on my mother's side there were many city machine politicos (Cambridge MA). On my father's side it was all blue collar working class. Yet they all loved the Kennedys. Totally different from the Bushes.

Johnathan Birks said...

Watch the cockroaches scurry to the nearest dark corner.

Big Mike said...

And he had the best legal resources possible....It took three years.

Just imagine what the federal government could do and has done to ordinary people....


Who killed the children at Waco? The FBI says they died in fires set by the Branch Davidians themselves, the surviving Branch Davidians say the children died in fires caused by indiscriminate use of CS gas canisters by the FBI. After the Flynn episode I believe the Branch Davidians.

At Ruby Ridge the US Marshall’s Service killed Randy Weaver’s son and his dog, and the FBI hilled his wife. No one lost his job, not even the US Marshall who swore he had not fired his sidearm in the gunfight with Weaver’s son, yet six rounds we’re missing from his gun’s magazine.

narciso said...

it took 20 years, for Edwin Wilson's lawyer to discover the fraud that larry barcella had perpetrated, with the assistance of the company,

Original Mike said...

Chuck Grassley is an idiot. He just said he didn't think prosecutions are important, but that the perpetrators need to be exposed so that this doesn't happen again. Exposure without prosecutions will embolden these rats.

Bay Area Guy said...

Also, don't forget that Grenell - my favorite gay guy on Planet Earth - is only acting DIrector of National Intelligence, holding the fort (and giving headaches to Adam Schiff) while John Ratcliffe awaits confirmation - - which may or not happen.

Lotta intrigue.

Carry on, Comrades.

narayanan said...

Blogger narciso asked ...
would Flynn be the vorkosian character, Narayan or some other figure
------------================

I need to know how did Gen Flynn come to Trump notice and make it on his transition team?

Flynn does not display great abilities at anything. - for a military officer he does not have effective IFF protocols though his special skills are described as intelligence affairs which should include ingullibility?!.

Identification, friend or foe (IFF) is a radar -based identification system designed for command and control. It uses a transponder that listens for an interrogation signal and then sends a response that identifies the broadcaster.

Michael K said...

No one lost his job, not even the US Marshall who swore he had not fired his sidearm in the gunfight with Weaver’s son, yet six rounds we’re missing from his gun’s magazine.

That Idaho Grand Jury sure wanted to tale to Lon Horiuchi, the FBI sniper. If I were him, I would stay out of Idaho.

Original Mike said...

My understanding is that if Ratcliffe is turned down Grenell gets to stay.

narciso said...

he was the g2 for general mccrystal, he had been special forces chief for Iraq, he had challenged the islamists, he came up with the salafi principality memo, he realized who was popping up in Syria and north Africa, and that told him al queda was long from dead,

narayanan said...

Blogger Bay Area Guy said...

Also, don't forget that Grenell - my favorite gay guy on Planet Earth - is only acting DIrector of National Intelligence, holding the fort (and giving headaches to Adam Schiff) while John Ratcliffe awaits confirmation - - which may or not happen.
------------============
I wonder what storm would break if Ratcliffe volunteers that he will keep Grenell on to finish what he has started!

narciso said...

I think his vouching for agent robin gritz, really put him on mccabes radar,

Drago said...

NEW: former DNI James Clapper says : "I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/ conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election." -- in transcript of interview with House Intel during its Russia probe.

And thats why Little Adam Schiff-ty kept 53 House testimony transcripts hidden for 3 years.

Every single transcript shows no collusion.

But only every single one.

And all the while Adam Schiff-ty claimed to have seen evidence of collusion....and Inga and victoria and the other lefties believed him....just as he knew they would.

Drago said...

Original Mike: "My understanding is that if Ratcliffe is turned down Grenell gets to stay."

That is correct.

narciso said...

would he be an imperial counselor like duv galeni,?

J. Farmer said...

he was the g2 for general mccrystal, he had been special forces chief for Iraq, he had challenged the islamists, he came up with the salafi principality memo, he realized who was popping up in Syria and north Africa, and that told him al queda was long from dead,

Translation: Flynn believes in an absurdly exaggerated Islamist threat. His understanding of the threat is shallow, his view of its activity is warped, and his remedies are dumb and counterproductive. Good for Flynn to have beaten this stupid charge, but we don't want his foolish ideas shaping American policy.

Original Mike said...

I'm kinda hoping Ratcliffe is turned down. Hard to improve on Grenell.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Bay Area Guy said...
Also, don't forget that Grenell - my favorite gay guy on Planet Earth"

He really is impressive.

His sexuality is important only in the sense that it further enrages his liberal enemies.

While there is no indication at all that Grenell is into water sports, he is making Adam Schiff wet his pants.

Quaestor said...

J. Farmer writes: His understanding of the threat is shallow...

You imply your understanding of the threat is substantially less shallow. Can you defend your position objectively?

Original Mike said...

"[Grenell] really is impressive."

Yet what he did with Schiff's transcripts was straightforward. What the hell is wrong with the rest of these weasels?

Browndog said...

Original Mike said...

I'm kinda hoping Ratcliffe is turned down. Hard to improve on Grenell.


Impossible to improve.

What he was willing and able to do in a few weeks no one else would or could in 3 years.

He forced Barr's hand to release the redacted footnotes. Barr knew what was in them, yet did nothing, except drop the case before it got too hairy over at the DOJ.

narciso said...

my theory of the minefield, with the tripwires, is everytime one moves against a deep state objective, there's a key player who blocks it, and recycles a premade narrative, coats was one of those tripwires, replaced by sue Gordon, who set up the Ukraine play, who was removed but not before ciamarella, fired his torpedo,

J. Farmer said...

@Quaestor:

You imply your understanding of the threat is substantially less shallow. Can you defend your position objectively?

Objectively? No. Nobody can. What I can do is make a case and leave it to others to decide.

Drago said...

Farmer: "Translation: Flynn believes in an absurdly exaggerated Islamist threat."

Wrong.

Yancey Ward said...
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Yancey Ward said...

Flynn and Powell now need to sue Flynn's original legal representatives and the firm they work for. Discovery is needed because it is all but certain that the partners in the firm deliberately undermined their client at every single turn in an effort to put Flynn in a position where he would say whatever it was Mueller's team wanted him to say.

JackWayne said...

“ In a possible sign of PERSONAL GUILT with the Justice Department decision, Brandon L. Van Grack, an assistant United States attorney who led the prosecution of Mr. Flynn, abruptly withdrew from the case on Thursday.“

This may be Durham. He’s a deep state guy also and he’s gonna save as many as he can. The lower level people better grab their ass because those are the ones who will pay.

Browndog said...

narciso said...

my theory of the minefield,


Obama laid that minefield when he transferred over 100 of his political appointees to permanent career positions throughout the bureaucracy in December 2016.

narciso said...

he uncovered as much as he was able, bulger's bureau and doj ties, he did a rather extensive review of us interrogation techniques, it took dan jones curated report to put a kibosh on this,

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Wrong.

Read his book by any chance?

J. Farmer said...

@narciso:

he uncovered as much as he was able, bulger's bureau and doj ties, he did a rather extensive review of us interrogation techniques, it took dan jones curated report to put a kibosh on this,

I don't deny that Flynn has had tactical achievements in the course of his career. I am quite willing to concede that he is highly competent in his chosen profession. But that is not the same thing as being a good foreign policy strategist.

Skeptical Voter said...

Drago Jeffers isn't really taking all that much of a career risk. In the "normal" turnover of Presidents, the US Attorneys in every district resign immediately upon the new President's inauguration. They did it for Obama; there was an almighty howl and hew and cry from the press when Dubya wanted the various US attorneys to resign--and Trump didn't get the sitting US attorneys removed when he took office.

So in a normal, civilized, in accordance with 19th and 20th century custom and practice, Jeffers would be out anyway if Biden wins. If Trump wins, Trump may or may not choose to keep Jeffers on.

But in terms of living with himself, and being able to sleep at night, Jeffers has Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Holder, Van Gracken, Strozk and the rest of that sorry crowd beat all hollow. Here are the facts; there is the law, and Jeffers ignores any Val Jar sorts of thumbs on the scale in reaching his conclusion.

Gahrie said...

Farmer: "Translation: Flynn believes in an absurdly exaggerated Islamist threat."

Islam has declared their intention to destroy our civilization, nation and way of life; and has been waging open war for the last 1,400 years to do so. How can that threat be overstated?

Howard said...

Why is J Farmer shitting all over you people's celebration? Happy happy Joy joy. You disserve a win once in awhile. I still have no idea what it's all about and I don't care. Ignorance truly is bliss.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

. Ignorance truly is bliss.

5/7/20, 6:41 PM

You prove that with every comment you write, Howard.

Your ignorance is on display daily.

J. Farmer said...

@Gahrie:

Islam has declared their intention to destroy our civilization, nation and way of life; and has been waging open war for the last 1,400 years to do so. How can that threat be overstated?

One: Because I think that notion is a total caricature. There is no such entity as "Islam" that can have intentionality or motives. Two: intention is not the only measure of a threat. Ability is also part of the equation. Are there some Muslims who would like to do what you describe? Undoubtedly. But I am not saying the threat is non-existent. I am saying it is "absurdly exaggerated." For example, it is not a threat that requires trillions of dollars, thousands of American soldiers' lives, and massive interventions in foreign countries to protect ourselves from it. If anything, the sum total of those actions has probably been to increase the threat.

Howard said...

Ouch, that'll leave a mark

narciso said...

but a 0.18 fatality rate is enough to shut down the entirely country, to suspend religious activities,

Drago said...

Skeptical Voter: "Drago Jeffers isn't really taking all that much of a career risk. In the "normal" turnover of Presidents, the US Attorneys in every district resign immediately upon the new President's inauguration. They did it for Obama; there was an almighty howl and hew and cry from the press when Dubya wanted the various US attorneys to resign--and Trump didn't get the sitting US attorneys removed when he took office."

Uh, maybe I didn't make myself clear.

The dems have already shown a willingness and capability to use govt and all of the tools of intelligence and law enforcement to go after political opponents in ways to attack them, their families, their livelihoods, etc.

We have entered a brand new era.

Drago said...

Farmer: "Read his book by any chance?"

Yes.

narayanan said...

narciso said...
would he be an imperial counselor like duv galeni,?
----------==========
Galeni is shown discerning and willing to learn and dispassionate scholar

to me Flynn is more like one of the officers negotiating terms of surrender when Cordelia returns from her Shopping Trip and baby rescue.

I would assume they kept their heads but career-wise ?

It probably helped that Flynn held off-conventional views on 'tactics' which he holds to be strategy - as to how well they were thought out - I don't know

none of the wars that have been fought had USA security as sole purpose

I like what Cordelia says "War is failure of politics"
I would add ... and only politicians can fail at politcs

--- statesmen know the bigger game ---- USA education cannot produce them

wildswan said...

Possibly Flynn's understanding of the threat the intelligence community had become was so far in advance of anyone else's that he knew no one would believe he was being framed. I certainly did not. If Flynn had said: the head of the FBI and the head of the CIA are trying to get the President, starting with me, his intelligence advisor, because I know the danger from these agencies - he could not have made me believe it. I already thought his time in the secret world had made him take a conspiratorial approach to everything. He probably couldn't make Pence or Trump believe in an attempted coup in January 2017 when he got fired. So when it came to dealing with the rat-fuckers heading the FBI and CIA, Flynn had a weak hand to play and hence his guilty plea - as I see it now. But over time it has become evident that there was a plot against the elected President launched by the intelligence agencies and this understanding then goes back and looks at the removal of General Flynn - an intelligence professional on Trump's side at Trump's side. (And McCrystal? and Petraeus?) Yes, make him head of an intelligence agency but one in which he has knowledge of how it should be run. Comey and Brennan? There's no death penalty in this country but maybe they could be charged and held in the secure location which Jeffery Epstein went to.

Birkel said...

Smug is sure that the people who have declared their intentions are wrong about their own intentions.

Also, shut up.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Yes.

Well, if you found it persuasive, I must conclude that you also "believe in an absurdly exaggerated Islamist threat." ;-)

Michael K said...

As chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2012, Flynn had warned that American support for Sunni jihadists in Syria had the unintended effect of supporting the new caliphate movement, that is, ISIS. Among all the heads and former heads of the 17 agencies that make up the US intelligence community, Flynn was the only one who had objected to the disastrous covert intervention in Syria and foreseen its baleful consequences. Obama fired him, but Donald Trump hired him as a top campaign aide and then appointed him national security adviser.

Doesn't sound much like Farmer's argument but Farmer can always switch to Pat Buchanan or Ron Unz.

J. Farmer said...

Smug is sure that the people who have declared their intentions are wrong about their own intentions.

Birkel can't read: "intention is not the only measure of a threat."

J. Farmer said...

Doesn't sound much like Farmer's argument but Farmer can always switch to Pat Buchanan or Ron Unz.

That conclusion was undoubtedly true. People like me were saying it at the time. And we didn't even have to be head of the DIA to say it. Someone should've told McCain before he posed for that photo op with a jihadist.

Birkel said...

Smug:
Your intention is to convince people the declared intention of third parties is not sincere or not capable.

Fuck you.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Today is the 1st day in a long time that I wish I was still on Twitter [I was banned because i refused to stop referring to Biden as a senile retard].

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

@ William

Exoneration with an asterisk. From what I've read and seen the media is playing it more as a case of Barr's interference with the course of true justice than of Flynn's innocence. People still believe Trump paid hookers to pee on Obama's bed. Those people will believe in Flynn's guilt until the day they die. It isn't much of an exoneration if over 40% of the populace believes you're some kind of Russian agent..... It isn't hypocrisy the way like the way they're willing to give Biden a pass and fry Kavanaugh. They really believe Flynn is guilty and Sally Yates is a high minded idealist. They might have some second thoughts about McCabe and his lover, however.

Exactly - Flynn is guilty - because media sez so, and Barr. Media are democratic operatives. As corrupt as top brass inside Obama's FBI.

Drago said...

Farmer: "Well, if you found it persuasive, I must conclude that you also "believe in an absurdly exaggerated Islamist threat." ;-)"

Nope.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

Your intention is to convince people the declared intention of third parties is not sincere or not capable.

Fuck you.


Yeah, if there's anything we've learned in the last few months it's that people never overreact to exaggerated threats.

But I'll illustrate my point by way of analogy. If Helen Keller wanted to beat the shit out of Floyd Mayweather, how important is the intention to the threat assessment?

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Nope.

Haha. Fair enough.

Drago said...

Nice succinct summmary of what the deep staters pulled against Flynn:

Undercover Huber @JohnWHuber

Here’s the 2 page “justification” for opening a full CI case against a 30 year combat veteran, general and former Director of an intelligence agency

1. Foreign policy advisor to Trump
2. Unspecified “ties” to “various” “state-affiliated” entities of Russia
3. Travelled to Russia


narciso said...

I beg to differ, general Flynn didn't make policy, he provided intelligence, his shop for instance provided that eye opening survey of Libya one months before Benghazi, he wasn't as good a bureaucratic warrior, that was the complaint against him,

Birkel said...

Perhaps the intention of a small percentage of the 1.5 billion adherents is not so minuscule as the DUMB-ASS analogy you propose.

Fucking idiot.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"We will never get rid of the deep state so long as we believe its core, justifying principle. That our security is massively threatened, and we need a gigantic, exorbitantly expensive, worldwide overt and covert security presence in order to protect ourselves. That is the foundational myth for this out-of-control Frankenstein's monster we've created."

"We will bury you."

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

Perhaps the intention of a small percentage of the 1.5 billion adherents is not so minuscule as the DUMB-ASS analogy you propose.

You're right. It was unfair to Helen Keller to make that comparison. The power differential between her and Mayweather is much smaller than the power differential between radical jihadists and the United States. I wonder how the total number of American deaths from radical jihadists compares to an an annual flu season.

Fucking idiot.

There's nothing funnier than a man throwing a hissy fit over hearing an opinion he disagrees with. Lighten up, Francis.

J. Farmer said...

@narciso:

I beg to differ, general Flynn didn't make policy, he provided intelligence, his shop for instance provided that eye opening survey of Libya one months before Benghazi, he wasn't as good a bureaucratic warrior, that was the complaint against him,

You're not different with anything that's been said here. Nobody is criticizing his role at DIA. What I am criticizing is his understanding of the threat as disclosed in his book. And as NSA, he would be in a much stronger position to influence policy choices.

FullMoon said...

Watched Brett Bair on Fox. No mention of Sidney Powell.

Quaestor said...

J. Farmer writes: Well, the lowland Scots and North English who primarily settled the south are not quite Anglo-Saxons. The Puritans and Pilgrims from East Anglia were.

Your definition of Anglo-Saxon doesn't jibe with history or geography. Firstly, it is evident from DNA studies that the Anglo-Saxons cannot be considered foreign invaders who supplanted the native British, driving them and their culture westward into Wales and Cornwall. While it is certainly true that many thousands of Germanic tribesmen from northwest Europe settled in Britain in the century following the departure of the legions, they were never sufficiently numerous to replace the extant population. In spite of the traditions recorded by Bede in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle genetic evidence shows that the Anglo-Saxon identity was more a matter of adoption by native Britons whose forebears had lived in the Isles since Caesar's day than conquest and expulsion by continental invaders. In short, the Anglo-Saxons were the people who spoke English as their native tongue, which for some reason other than replacement by invaders, was the majority of people living south of the Clyde. The Scottish lowlands came to be dominated by English speakers by the middle of the 8th century. In fact, by the early 9th century the territory incorporating modern Berwickshire, Peebleshire, Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire, Haddingtonshire, Linlithgowshire, and Edinburghshire were all part of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria. This early establishment of Old English in southeastern Scotland is the foundation of the Scots dialect (or language as the Scots would have it).

Also, your concept of East Anglia isn't quite historically or ethnographically sound. The heart of East Anglia is the area circumscribed by a line connecting Norwich, Peterborough, Cambridge, Colchester, and Ipswich -- i.e. the peninsula northwest of the Thames estuary which was the southern half of the Danelaw. Unlike the case of the colonization by continental Angles, Jutes, and Saxons, the establishment of the Danelaw did involve widespread supplantation of the native population by foreign invaders. To this day DNA evidence links a majority of the inhabitants of the former Danelaw to the populations of Denmark and southern Norway, a genetic link that has not been established between the English generally and the peoples of the continental Saxon territories. It was this region that spawned most of the Pilgrim Fathers, though William Bradford was born in Auterfield, West Riding of Yorkshire, which is near the very heart of the Danelaw, where even today the local dialect contains many words derived directly from Old Norse.

The point of my comment is this: If either group has a sketchy claim on Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, it's the Pilgrim descendants of New England and not the Lowland Scots of the Eastern Seaboard.

narciso said...

I was addressing narayyan, if anything our external security services have lacked focus like that example from 1957, which I'm somewhat familiar with, it was lyman Kirkpatrick, who bought that bag of magic seeds from vilma espin, Lansdale was fairly successful with a small contingent of men, and an effective ally, it took the diem coup to turn Vietnam into a Syracuse type disaster, (re mark moyar victory forsaken) in part because the kennedy administration listened to david Halberstam, re iran there were methods to prevent the revolution from escalating by the summer of 78, but those weren't pursued, carter allowed somoza to fall and the power vacuum of the Sandinistas to fill, that necessitated a more effective countermeasure the urban paramilitary,

Iman said...

"victoria said...
Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do."

I rate this at 560 milliingas...

J. Farmer said...

@Quaestor:

The point of my comment is this: If either group has a sketchy claim on Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, it's the Pilgrim descendants of New England and not the Lowland Scots of the Eastern Seaboard.

I agree. Is that not what I said?

I also agree with pretty much everything else you wrote. The estimate is that the English population is about 20-40% Anlgo-Saxon, with the highest percentages in East England. I don't advocate Anglo-Saxonism, just pointed out that it was a popular idea in America in the 19th century.

narciso said...

you ventured into the good prosecutors, again, lman, he's beyond salvaging,

Quaestor said...

Howard writes: You disserve a win once in a while. I still have no idea what it's all about and I don't care.

Hirohito probably didn't know or care what Midway was about, either.

Quaestor said...

@ J. Farmer

Perhaps I misquoted you in my 7:46 comment. But as I read it your thesis is the exact opposite of mine.

Quaestor said...

I also agree with pretty much everything else you wrote.

What are your disagreements?

Todd said...

dreams said...

The shut down is going to cost a lot more lives than it saves but if it ultimately gets Trump defeated, the crooked liberal media and the Democrat crooks will consider themselves victorious, discounting the many lives sacrificed.

5/7/20, 3:54 PM


Do you really think that pit of vipers gives a rat's behind about the lives that might be sacrificed for them to get what they want? They would likely consider that icing on the cake.

J. Farmer said...

@Quaestor:

Perhaps I misquoted you in my 7:46 comment. But as I read it your thesis is the exact opposite of mine.

I was replying to someone saying they include Scots-Irish among WASPs. I was saying that the Scots-Irish aren't really Anglo-Saxon, and that's why they are not included traditionally as WASPs. Whereas, the descendants of the pilgrims and puritans were.

What are your disagreements?

I don't have any. I agreed with some of what you wrote but don't have enough knowledge on the subject to judge some of the other. So I hedged by saying "pretty much."

Drago said...

Iman: "I rate this at 560 milliingas..."

1 milliinga = 2 millikohns

Howard said...

Address me as your majesty then, Admiral Numnutz

Amadeus 48 said...

J Farmer slices the baloney thinner and thinner. He is never wrong.

Guildofcannonballs said...
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gpm said...

>>Michael K: Have you never heard the Chinese proverb

Shorter, native version: Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.

--gpm

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Covington has plenty of insurance."

Your insurance company isn't going to pay out a judgement if it resulted from you engaging in blatantly illegal acts.

5/7/20, 3:15 PM

Bless your heart.

Big Mike said...

I don't deny that Flynn has had tactical achievements in the course of his career. I am quite willing to concede that he is highly competent in his chosen profession. But that is not the same thing as being a good foreign policy strategist.

Let's be precise about this, Farmer. Flynn's foreign policy differs significantly from yours. But that doesn't make him wrong.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

J Farmer slices the baloney thinner and thinner. He is never wrong.

Perhaps not. But consider what Quaestor quoted of mine, "the lowland Scots and North English who primarily settled the south are not quite Anglo-Saxons. The Puritans and Pilgrims from East Anglia were," and then compare it to the "point" of his comment, "If either group has a sketchy claim on Anglo-Saxon ethnicity, it's the Pilgrim descendants of New England and not the Lowland Scots of the Eastern Seaboard."

So given that we're both saying the same thing, this probably isn't the best example of me slicing "the baloney thinner and thinner."

J. Farmer said...

@Big Mike:

If you wrote some criticism of Obama's foreign policy, and I replied, "Obama's foreign policy differs significantly from yours. But that doesn't make him wrong," would you consider that a very useful observation?

Jon Ericson said...

The guy on the left sounds like you know who.

Drago said...

Howard: "Address me as your majesty then, Admiral Numnutz"

You misspelled "Nimitz" again.

F'n grunts.......

narciso said...

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1258565328067596288

DanTheMan said...

>> 1. Foreign policy advisor to Trump
>>2. Unspecified “ties” to “various” “state-affiliated” entities of Russia
>>3. Traveled to Russia


4. Occasionally got a 2nd scoop of ice cream

Todd said...

The extraordinary move comes amid a sustained attack by Mr. Flynn’s lawyers on prosecutors and the F.B.I., accusing them of egregious conduct.

That is how the NYT describes a innocent man's lawyer pointing out that the FBI set-up the man, lied about it, hid the documents about it, threatened his family about it, and was finally forced to fess up.

I am sure it is in there somewhere that "Republicans pounce!"

The NYT is total, complete shit.

Todd said...

Next story from the NYT, "Jeffrey Dahmer, just a man with an eating disorder".

Guildofcannonballs said...

Even the Hugh Hewitts know progs, Democratics especially but many GOP too, cheat.

They say just keep rising above, don't fight hard, that would result in victory for the Biden's of this world.

I don't know. I care, but I don't know.

I think Trump knows. Who knows?

Birkel said...

No, it is not a disagreement about reasonable opinions that divides us, Smug.
You somehow believe 1.5 billion adherents cannot produce a threat to the US.
A couple of tall buildings would like a conversation with you.
But they are destroyed.

My expression is one of contempt for you.
You are contemptuous.

bagoh20 said...

victoria said...
"Barr is Doing what the dear leader wants him to do."

Or as Eric Holder put it:

"I’m still the president’s wingman, so I’m there with my boy."

Big Mike said...

If you wrote some criticism of Obama's foreign policy, and I replied, "Obama's foreign policy differs significantly from yours. But that doesn't make him wrong," would you consider that a very useful observation?

No, because everything Obama did was wrong.

gpm said...

Per the second authorization memo, Rosenstein explicitly authorized an investigation into whether Flynn violated the Logan Act. WTF??? He ought to be called on that. Don't know where or how it could happen other than a Congressional hearing.

--gpm

Drago said...

Farmer: "The heads can never really push any significant change. They're shuffled around too much. That's part of why there is a deep state in the first place."

Your input is noted.

Birkel said...

The Logan Act is an unenforceable bunch of words in law books.
It is unconstitutional under modern interpretations of the law.

Anybody who mentions it as a serious source of criminal behavior should be immediately disregarded.

It is bull shit.

Iman said...

you ventured into the good prosecutors, again, lman, he's beyond salvaging,

I slipped, narciso... but I have no desire to save his soul, I enjoy bathing in his tears of frustration and angst. There's an endless supply, as he is proven wrong on a daily basis.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

My expression is one of contempt for you.
You are contemptuous.


Understandable, considering the belief you ascribe to me is nothing I've ever said or ever believed. So there's not much point in involving me in a disagreement you have with a caricature you've constructed in your head.

A) This threat is exaggerated, and the response is an overreaction.
B) This threat doesn't exist and requires no response

You're at least smart enough to differentiate those two statements.

J. Farmer said...

Anybody who mentions it as a serious source of criminal behavior should be immediately disregarded.

It is bull shit.


100% agree.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Your input is noted.

And as always, I appreciate you reading all of my notes.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"We will never get rid of the deep state so long as we believe its core, justifying principle. That our security is massively threatened, and we need a gigantic, exorbitantly expensive, worldwide overt and covert security presence in order to protect ourselves. That is the foundational myth for this out-of-control Frankenstein's monster we've created."

If I believed this, I would express it more jimbino-like, as he is one of God's creatures too.

"America will never get rid of our deep state so long as it believe's its core: Justifying principle, that our security is in fact massively threatened and ergo (or therefore as you like) we need a gigantic, exorbitantly expensive worldwide over and cover security presence in order to protect us. This is the foundational myth for America's out-of-control Frankensteinian monster we've created."

Birkel said...

Sure, you have always noted how there is some threat but just not much, depending on how much much is.

You are a contemptuous liar.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Well that was dissappointing on my end, I give this round to you know who.

Shit.

Was it auto-correct? It all felt write as I typed.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

You are a contemptuous liar.

Aww, thanks. It's one of the nicest things anybody's ever said to me. But allow me to suggest you concern yourself with the windmills of things I've actually said instead of the dragons you've conjured in your mind.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Wright right wrote (little).

Birkel said...

I can see the blank spaces between what you will say and what you choose never to reference.
Your unwillingness to admit the blank spaces are important makes you a liar.

Lies of omission are lies.
You should pretend to be smarter.

narayanan said...

Ric Grenell could be a character of strength in Vorkosiverse - something like Ilyan's apprentice or protege

Francisco D said...

Howard asked: Why is J Farmer shitting all over you people's celebration?

He enjoys expounding on his thoughts which often involves being a pedagogic contrarian.

It provides meaning to his life, but that can be said about many commenters here.

Quaestor said...

J. farmer writes: I was saying that the Scots-Irish aren't really Anglo-Saxon

The Scots-Irish, an American term with no currency in British English, were the descendants of reliably Protestant Lowlanders settled in the nine counties of Ireland known collectively as Ulster by James VI, aka James I of England, in the early 17th century. These people were generally from the heavily populated southeast of Scotland, an area that was certainly part of Anglo-Saxon Britain. A minority came from Stirlingshire, and some from Perthshire, which is north of the Highland Line and therefore outside the bounds of the historic Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, therefore by strictly defined terms the "Scots-Irish" (known as Ulster-Scots or Ulstermen in Britain) are a bit of a mixed bag ethically, though less so than the New England Puritans and their descendants, being as a group strongly influenced by Norse colonists.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

Pathological liar and deceptive crap weasel out in full force-->Adam Schitt(D)

Speaking of liars: Here - Hillary and Comey - the movie. Send to all your pals.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

I can see the blank spaces between what you will say and what you choose never to reference.
Your unwillingness to admit the blank spaces are important makes you a liar.


Unlike you, I'm neither a mind reader nor a diviner, and I don't see much point in trafficking in insinuation and innuendo. The problem with "blank spaces" is they're very easy to project onto.

You should pretend to be smarter.

Perhaps I should pretend to have insights into someone's character and motives on the basis of what they don't say and then use those "insights" to judge everything they say subsequently. Unfortunately, you strike me as someone who would find that strategy "smarter."

Guildofcannonballs said...

If there has ever been a vindicated man, it is the Protein Wisdom Jeff Goldstein that brought me here, to the Althouse blog.

Let's Protein Wisdom Jeff some love. I still remember the article that I first read here, about Jeff goofing around about some gathering of Pajama's media superstars he was perfectly the writer for for the time. Absolutely stunning authorship.

Jeff Goldstein makes me not want to be a fuck up anymore, and thanks to him anymore that was a decade ago started.



Birkel said...

It's ok Smug.
You should get defensive over true things.
I understand.

J. Farmer said...

@Quaestor:

Perhaps we are talking past each other, but I honestly do not see where precisely you are disagreeing with me.

Another commenter stated that they "count the Scots-Irish" as WASPs, and I responded by saying why that wasn't the case. I did not mean to imply that I agreed with the categorization, only explaining why WASP didn't just identity an English-speaking protestant. The Anglo-Saxonism of the the 19th century was often interested in denigrating or outright denying the inclusion of other "bloodlines" among the English.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

Turley speaks

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1258475559929155585&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2Ftyler-o-neil%2F2020%2F05%2F07%2Fdo-democrats-really-want-to-celebrate-the-fbis-heinous-abuses-against-mike-flynn-n389080

gadfly said...

I thought that this was a law blog. Apparently not anymore. Michael Flynn pled guilty to two separate judges multiple times and was found guilty each time. Flynn's fate lies solely in the hands of Judge Emmett Sullivan.

Anti-rule-of law actors Donald Trump and Billy Barr have no cards to play in this game unless a grand jury is permitted to consider charges against General Flynn and his son for actions related to working on behalf of the Turkish government, failure to register as a foreign agent and failing to declare $530,000 in income for this travesty. Rumors of the Flynn's being involved in a kidnapping attempt against a legal US resident for the Turks needs to be further investigated.

As for "new evidence" to change the government's stance in this matter was presented by Trump administration temp Timmy Shea and lawyer Sidney Powell of Fox News is just nowhere to be found. Judge Sullivan has already ruled on most of this garbage. What is evident here is that Michael Flynn does nothing but tell lies related to talking to the Russians. He even lies about lying.

So Trumpy will have to get out his pardon pen ahead of the election. All these investigators out and about trying to get Trump out from under the Mueller findings is insane in our dying economy.

Never-Biden Never-Putin said...

"James Comey just tweeted that “DOJ has lost its way." Given what this motion and the new evidence says about Comey's own conduct, I would hope so if Comey is referring to his way of running the DOJ. Comey is implicated in this ignoble effort to bag a Trump official at any cost."

Turley

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