Althouse: At the Off Day Cafe...

February 27, 2020

At the Off Day Cafe...

... things are on all night.

152 comments:

stevew said...: BOS to LGA, and back, today. Full day of meetings in the city, NYC. Full flight each way. One guy with a mask on the flight back. Every time I sneeze or cough I wonder. Traveling at least once every week for the next month, 10 or so overnights. Some of the companies I work with are imposing travel bans for their folks - not yet clear if they will approve us traveling to them. Precautionary principle is in force.; 2/27/20, 7:56 PM
Temujin said...: I've already canceled one less than necessary biz trip. I've got some others coming up that I need to do, but I'm definitely watching the growth/spread of this. As the next few weeks go by, it'll tell the story.; 2/27/20, 8:04 PM
rehajm said...: 1. Democrat..................................................................... 47%
2. Republican....................................................................40%
3. Independent.................................................................. 11%
4. Other Party................................................................... 3%

Does that look like Pennsylvania to you?; 2/27/20, 8:11 PM
rehajm said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2/27/20, 8:15 PM
rehajm said...: Looking good for Hillar...er...Biden in SC this evening. A big win and he's the comeback geezer, ya applesauce suckin garden hose!; 2/27/20, 8:15 PM
Inga said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2/27/20, 8:21 PM
Inga said...: Why is the President lying about the number of Coronavirus cases, he says there have been only 15 cases, not true, there’s been 60. He says it’s less lethal, that’s not true a typical influenza virus has a mortality rate of .1% the Coronavirus has a 2 to 3%. No wonder the stock market is going even more crazy after his Coronavirus press conference. Now a whistleblower comes forward saying HHS had staff members entering quarantined areas WITHOUT proper equipment, when evacuees with Coronavirus were repatriated. Then these HHS employees went into the general population after being exposed to Coronavirus.

WTF. What is going on? What a mess.; 2/27/20, 8:24 PM
rehajm said...: The margin of victory in SC matters for Tuesday. A big win for Joe and a win/contested is in his favor. Joe eeks out a vitory and a contested convention is still a possibility.

A Sanders surprise in SC and they'll have to pry it away from him...; 2/27/20, 8:26 PM
Ken B said...: Lots of deletions yet Inga's remains. Sad.; 2/27/20, 8:26 PM
Narayanan said...: Why Carolingian in Europe history but Carolinian in USA politics?; 2/27/20, 8:27 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: I was reading an account of AG Barr's recent speech, a great one, and I was thinking that the Repubs embrace the American Revolution and the current Dems embrace the French Revolution.

I blame France for Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot, too.; 2/27/20, 8:29 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Trump is to blame for the Coronavirus. Right . On. Hack. Press. Q.; 2/27/20, 8:29 PM
rehajm said...: The precautions will be sufficient to kill GDP for Q1 and possibly Q2. It will probably be a V bottom but the damage will have been done.

Be careful if you're thinking of voting for the worst in your open primary...; 2/27/20, 8:30 PM
sane_voter said...: According to the link below, in 2016 the partisan breakdown of PA voters was

Dem 42%
Rep 38.5%
Ind 19.5%

There are two tables with % that differed slightly due to rounding errors, so I averaged the two.
https://www.politicspa.com/why-clinton-lost-pa-examining-the-exit-polls/80081/; 2/27/20, 8:30 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

--Disease Burden of Influenza | CDC

How many people died from the flu in 2019?
So far, 14,000 people have died and 250,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.

Where's the outrage? Where's the panic?; 2/27/20, 8:31 PM
Michael said...: Inga

Lay off politicizing a health crisis. And to date there have been zero deaths in the US. I am certain you are hoping for more but this virus is stealthy but not as lethal as SARS. But you knew that being a nurse and all.; 2/27/20, 8:32 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Michael,

If thousands of people died and that caused Trump's defeat, people like Inga would be delighted.; 2/27/20, 8:35 PM
FullMoon said...: A biochemist’s analysis of President Trump’s coronavirus press conference; 2/27/20, 8:36 PM
sane_voter said...: Wow another "whistleblower" to the Dem's rescue. What are the odds?; 2/27/20, 8:38 PM
Inga said...: “Lay off politicizing a health crisis. And to date there have been zero deaths in the US. I am certain you are hoping for more but this virus is stealthy but not as lethal as SARS. But you knew that being a nurse and all.”

The POTUS has a responsibility to make accurate statements about a national health emergency. I’m sure it makes you feel good to accuse me of wanting to see deaths from this virus, but that makes you sound like you are politicizing my concern.; 2/27/20, 8:38 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The party of Schitt, Pelosi, Maddow, Behar, Colbert, Clintonopolis, and Chuck Todd will politicize the Coronavirus.; 2/27/20, 8:39 PM
Automatic_Wing said...: Coronavirus has (it is thought) a mortality rate of 2-3% in China.

We don't know what the mortality rate is here because no one has died from it yet.; 2/27/20, 8:41 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: "My opponent has praised the Cuban regime. He says nothing about their human rights record, their sponsorship of communist guerillas all over Latin America or over their heavy involvement in the Venezuelan Maduro dictatorship. Cuba's okay because they did a public education campaign a long time ago.

"I think I have only one thing to add. In 1959 Cuba was the wealthiest Latin American country. Today it's the poorest. Socialism is bad."

Game, set, match.; 2/27/20, 8:41 PM
wild chicken said...: Be careful if you're thinking of voting for the worst in your open primary...

2/27/20, 8:30 PM

Yeah don't fuck around. I'm going to vote for Amy or Joe.; 2/27/20, 8:42 PM
Ken B said...: Milwaukee guy
Who said that? Or is it your suggestion?; 2/27/20, 8:43 PM
Mark said...: I'll probably go with Joe. His body anyway. His mind is gone. Body isn't all that either, but oh well.

Joe is arrogant enough to stay in no matter what and should get a few delegates. Still need a third candidate to stay in and get delegates, however, in order to keep Bernie from getting an outright majority.; 2/27/20, 8:47 PM
Mark said...: In high-risk areas, like airports and airplanes -- especially those with high numbers of international people -- you might want to wear a mask. If a mask even works. But the other precautions of frequent hand-washing, sanitizer, etc., is probably a good idea in any event.; 2/27/20, 8:50 PM
Andrew said...: Off the subject of typical cafe fare. Court TV is showing a 25th anniversary special on the OJ trial. One thing stands out: the prosecutors were awful, especially Darden. The defense attorneys dominated from the beginning. It was a complete mismatch of legal talent.; 2/27/20, 8:52 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Folks - Inga parrots whatever leftwing Maddow/MSM(D) talking points. She isn't concerned. She's hiveminding her borg.

Never let a crisis go to waste. When Mueller and Schitt didn't deliver the goods - we can now move on to a virus that started in China. You know- the nation governed by Tom Freidman's preferred form of government.

_____________________
"Trump gave the public a real-world view of the virus’ spread. In my view, his suggesting that Americans use the same protocol for protecting themselves against a flu for which there was no vaccine... and describing the approach so vividly…was pitch perfect."

Oh no.; 2/27/20, 8:52 PM
Jersey Fled said...: Inga:

42 of the 60 or so Americans who have contracted the virus as of this morning were on the cruise ship that was quarantined in Japan. That is, the did not contract the virus in the US. That kind of gets us into the 15 range. Others were citizens traveling in Asia, a soldier stationed in South Korea, and so on. If I remember correctly, only one American appears to have contracted the virus here, probably through someone else who had been travelling abroad.

I'm sure the numbers have changed over the course of the day. I haven't been keeping up.

For most of us the important number is how many Americans have contracted the virus here. That kind of defines the risk for most of us who do not travel to high risk areas.; 2/27/20, 8:54 PM
Inga said...: The long incubation period makes this virus especially tricky, as people are known to be contagious before they even develop symptoms.

“The incubation period of the novel COvid-19 coronavirus could be as long as 27 days, noted Reuters citing reports from Chinese provincial government.

In Hubei province, hard-hit by the coronavirus epidemic, an infected 70-year-old man did not exhibit Covid-19 symptoms until 27 days later.

On 24 January, the man had close contact with his infected sister, said Hubei government website. He had a fever on 20 February and received test confirmation the next day.

Currently, the incubation period of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, is considered to be 14 days. Health authorities across countries are adopting a 14-day quarantine period, based on the World Health Organization guidelines.

A longer incubation period would impact the efforts focused on controlling the coronavirus spread.

Earlier this month, a study by Chinese researchers found that the incubation period can be up to 24 days. The median incubation period was found to be three days, with a range of zero to 24 days.”

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/coronavirus-incubation-period-27-days/; 2/27/20, 8:55 PM
mockturtle said...: If anyone has been misleading about Covid-19, at least until very recently, it's been the CDC. Wrong test reagent, ineffective 'screening' protocols and inaccurate information about length of time virus can live on surfaces.; 2/27/20, 8:56 PM
rehajm said...: will need a third candidate to stay in and get delegates, however

It depends. With a strong performance by Joe thru Tuesday and if/when some of the also rans drop. If they break for Joe he can split with Bernie...

If not Bloomie as a third can do in a pinch. The DNC stepping in as always a possibility...; 2/27/20, 8:57 PM
Jersey Fled said...: Democrat partisan breakdown in PA should be adjusted for the number of dead people in Philadelphia who make it to the polls each election year.

Unfortunately, these tend to be the most reliable voters.; 2/27/20, 8:58 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Trump

"Do Nothing Democrats were busy wasting their time on the Impeachment Hoax, & anything they could do to make the Republican Party look bad, while I was busy calling early boarder & flight closings, putting us way ahead in our battle with the Coronavirus. Dems called it very wrong!"

True.; 2/27/20, 9:00 PM
robother said...: I'm trying to imagine Inga and Nancy Pelosi's prayer, supplicating the Almighty to visit a deadly plague on the USA, in punishment for electing Trump President and a Republican Senate. A regular Sodom and Gomorrah. Just don't look back, Inga.; 2/27/20, 9:01 PM
FullMoon said...: “The incubation period of the novel COvid-19 coronavirus could be as long as 27 days, noted Reuters citing reports from Chinese provincial government.

In Hubei province, hard-hit by the coronavirus epidemic, an infected 70-year-old man did not exhibit Covid-19 symptoms until 27 days later.

Are they dead, or alive?; 2/27/20, 9:01 PM
sane_voter said...: According to 538 (as of Feb 26), Bernie is projected to win 44% of the delegates allocated on Super Tuesday. The only thing to blunt that momentum is for Biden to rack up a big win in SC and possibly sway some late deciders in ST states. Unfortunately, many voters have already cast ballots in those states, so momentum could be less than expected with a big Biden win.; 2/27/20, 9:01 PM
The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...: As with casualties in Iraq, the Democrats are positively panting for some coronavirus deaths in the US. They’re not even pretending otherwise.; 2/27/20, 9:03 PM
FullMoon said...: "... the press covered itself with shame. Most of the questions were not an attempt to gather more information, but to create “gotcha” moments and to politicize this particular crisis. Trump had the best cure for this tactic, as he dismissed the trite narratives and replaced them with his own…including the fact that his travel ban helped us keep our current infection numbers low."

Mike 'Thomas Paine' Moore @Thomas1774Paine

I've never seen the WH media this rabid like tonight. I would start the virus testing in that room. These people are not normal.
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Mark said...: In a two-person race, one or the other is going to get a majority.; 2/27/20, 9:05 PM
Mark said...: Court TV is showing a 25th anniversary special on the OJ trial. One thing stands out: the prosecutors were awful, especially Darden. The defense attorneys dominated from the beginning. It was a complete mismatch of legal talent.

People at the time gave the jury a lot of grief because everyone KNEW that OJ was guilty.

Problem is that, under our system, the prosecution has to prove it. And the state's witnesses were just dirty enough to have reason to doubt their credibility, and the prosecutors were just incompetent enough in their presentation of the case.; 2/27/20, 9:06 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: I'm certain that all the democrats can cure coronavirus.; 2/27/20, 9:07 PM
Mark said...: Apparently I missed the episode where Daniel Jackson is killed. Because Jonas Quinn is now a member of SG-1.; 2/27/20, 9:09 PM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: As Kai Ryssdal says 'The stock market is not the economy'.

So no problem for Trump. We just need to look at the fundamentals: 2% growth and trillion dollar deficits.

Hmmm.; 2/27/20, 9:09 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: I sure hope this is true:

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101

The headline is rather misleading, since the vaccine would still have to go through a regulatory process that would take months.

I assume that BDS supporters would boycott any vaccine created by the evil Zionists, right?; 2/27/20, 9:11 PM
rehajm said...: In a two-person race, one or the other is going to get a majority.

Well, It depends on who/when it becomes a two person race. We'll know much more after Tuesday.; 2/27/20, 9:12 PM
rehajm said...: It's also possible after Tuesday seven candidates will have pledged delegates. That doesn't make for a quick two person race.; 2/27/20, 9:15 PM
iowan2 said...: Minutes after President finished his Corona virus news conference, a news story dropped about a new COVID19 case. Just a coincidence. The significance, according to. every. single. news. report. this is the first case in the US that happened without the patient coming in contact with a known carrier of the virus. Every single news report.
The this afternoon, Rush adds facts from the original story, that somehow ALL the news agencies forgot, by mistake, not evil intent, that the new case is located geographically, near Travis Air Force Base. The base that has received quarantined patients from China.

Strange how the news agencies seine the facts of the story, out of the story, to drive opinion in a direction to inflame fear, and doubt. Strange how I have to learn the truth from Rush.; 2/27/20, 9:16 PM
rehajm said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2/27/20, 9:16 PM
gg6 said...: I see by the recent posts there is nothing in the world going on these days. That's reassuring. But the commentators seem to be having none of that......; 2/27/20, 9:21 PM
Inga said...: “The this afternoon, Rush adds facts from the original story, that somehow ALL the news agencies forgot, by mistake, not evil intent, that the new case is located geographically, near Travis Air Force Base. The base that has received quarantined patients from China.

Strange how the news agencies seine the facts of the story, out of the story, to drive opinion in a direction to inflame fear, and doubt. Strange how I have to learn the truth from Rush.”

I’ve heard the connection of this new case of Coronavirus to Travis Air Force Base being discussed on news outlets all day, which is probably where Rush heard about it, just like the rest of us.; 2/27/20, 9:21 PM
Jersey Fled said...: Forty four years after Ebola was first identified, and was going to kill us all, it is still basically confined to three countries in West Africa.; 2/27/20, 9:22 PM
Mark said...: It will take more than a handful of third-person delegates to deny a majority, unless it is a razor-thin majority.

They need more than one, other than Sanders, to stay in through to the convention. BUT if they all stay in, they may prevent a lot of them from getting the 15 percent threshold. So some do need to drop.; 2/27/20, 9:23 PM
J. Farmer said...: When you talk about things like the disunifying effects of mass immigration or the cultural core of a country being hollowed out, it is difficult for people to relate to because they are abstractions. But the coronavirus response is a perfect example of what these abstractions look like in real life. Societies face collective action problems, and the more societies can work together cooperatively, the more successful they can be. However, in a country as fractured as this one, it is much more difficult to get people to work together cooperatively. And so the government's response to the coronavirus becomes just another partisan issue for people to scream at each other about. If you're a pro-Trump person, you live on Planet A. If you're an anti-Trump person, you live on Planet B. If you happen to live in the middle, you are mostly just shouting in the wind. In other words, America is doomed.; 2/27/20, 9:23 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: I’ve heard the connection of this new case of Coronavirus to Travis Air Force Base being discussed on news outlets all day, which is probably where Rush heard about it, just like the rest of us.

2/27/20, 9:21 PM

ABC News somehow neglected to mention it on their evening broadcast.; 2/27/20, 9:25 PM
Andrew said...: @Mark,
Yes, I agree. For the first time, I can understand how a juror would have reasonable doubt. Of course, I still think OJ was guilty as sin. But the prosecutors did not do their job well.; 2/27/20, 9:26 PM
Inga said...: “ABC News somehow neglected to mention it on their evening broadcast.”

NBC affiliates have been saying it for hours now.; 2/27/20, 9:28 PM
Drago said...: exiledonmainstreet: "I’ve heard the connection of this new case of Coronavirus to Travis Air Force Base being discussed on news outlets all day, which is probably where Rush heard about it, just like the rest of us."

That Coronavirus case is in Vallejo, one of my old stomping grounds, just down the highway a bit from Fairfield, home of Travis AFB. So yes, it's quite possible the connection was made there where the patients were transported.....or not....; 2/27/20, 9:35 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: It was a suggestion to Trump's speechwriters.; 2/27/20, 9:36 PM
Drago said...: Inga: "NBC affiliates have been saying it for hours now."

Wow. It only took them 48 hours to include that! Long after the talking points have gone out and the narrative advanced.

How....unexpected.; 2/27/20, 9:36 PM
StephenFearby said...: Science Blog
NAC, Spirulina, Other Nutraceuticals May Play Role On Coronavirus Treatment
February 25, 2020

https://scienceblog.com/514404/nac-spirulina-other-nutraceuticals-may-play-role-on-coronavirus-treatment/

Commenting on:

Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases
12 February 2020

Nutraceuticals have potential for boosting the type 1 interferon response to RNA viruses including influenza and coronavirus

NOX2-dependent oxidant production inhibits TLR7 signaling

In light of worldwide concern regarding the recent outbreak of a deadly novel strain of coronavirus in China, it is fortuitous that two recent discoveries point the way to effective nutraceutical measures for potentiating the type 1 interferon response to RNA viruses...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033062020300372; 2/27/20, 9:37 PM
Mark said...: I'm sure that many of the jurors thought OJ probably did it. But "probably" plus prosecutorial incompetence do not equal a guilty verdict.

The system worked.; 2/27/20, 9:38 PM
Inga said...: “Wow. It only took them 48 hours to include that! Long after the talking points have gone out and the narrative advanced.”

The new case wasn’t publicized until late yesterday and mostly this AM. So your 48 hour scenario is just more BS.; 2/27/20, 9:40 PM
Drago said...: The Mind-reading and All-Knowing Inga: "The new case wasn’t publicized until late yesterday and mostly this AM. So your 48 hour scenario is just more BS."

LOL

Soooo, you are familiar with all news sources and their content now as well as Knowing What Mueller Knows!

How....unexpected.; 2/27/20, 9:42 PM
Big Mike said...: Why is the President lying about the number of momCoronavirus cases, he says there have been only 15 cases, not true, there’s been 60.

Let us consider the possibility that he had received bad or outdated.information from the CDC, shall we? In a country with 336 million residents the difference between 15 and 60 is statistically negligible. If the CDC was staffed with incompetent hacks, perhaps Trump would be justified in double-checking the data they pass up the chain of command, but I think most people would agree that the doctors at the CDC should be presumed to be a cut or two above The norm. Now depending on the retrospective analysis when the crisis has passed, perhaps President Trump will have reason to revise his opinion of the staff at the CDC, but let’s give them a chance to live up to their reputation and earn their pay.

If one starts with the assumption that everything Donald Trump does is wrong, then a dollop of circular reasoning takes you right back to your assumption. But the institute’s name is the Center for Disease Control, and their job is to deal with epidemics and potential epidemics. Let’s let them show the President that they can do their job.; 2/27/20, 9:45 PM
Drago said...: Maybe we should re-appoint Mueller to get to the bottom this coronavirus thing and get the entire executive branch testifying under oath to see if everyone agrees on the number of cases within and outside the US.

Of course, if anyone disagrees with anyone else on the number Mueller and his team could "Scotter Libby" them.; 2/27/20, 9:47 PM
narciso said...: In other news

https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenPayBacker/status/1233190028936916992; 2/27/20, 9:50 PM
J. Farmer said...: Certainly the truth lies somewhere between “everything is Trump’s fault” to “nothing is Trump.”; 2/27/20, 9:50 PM
Drago said...: J. Farmer: "Certainly the truth lies somewhere between “everything is Trump’s fault” to “nothing is Trump.”"

I don't see how anyone remains alive in the US to be infected after Trump murdered everyone with the obamacare mandate repeal (we were told would kill literally millions) and the Net Neutrality ruling (we were told would kill literally millions) and the nuclear wars with North Korea (which would kill millions) along with Trumps deregulation policies (which would kill literally millions) and Trump leaving the Paris Climate Accord (which would kill literally millions) and on and on and on.

At some point, after you've killed millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions, you run out of millions remaining to be killed.; 2/27/20, 9:54 PM
narciso said...: If hes not thanos hes certainly kodos the executioner,; 2/27/20, 10:02 PM
Drago said...: BTW, here's some background on the Solano County patient and how that patient was all over the place BEFORE being diagnosed which means....of course there are going to be other cases.

And this disease, like all disease, is now the personal fault of DJT in the same way Romney gave that women cancer...on purpose (according to the dems).

From SFGate:

"New details emerged Thursday about a COVID-19 case in Northern California that's being called the first in the United States with no known connection to travel abroad or another known case.

The female patient, who is a resident of Solano County, first arrived at the NorthBay VacaValley Hospital in Vacaville on Feb. 15 and spent three days there, according to the Washington Post.

After the patient's condition worsened, she was transported to UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento County on Feb. 19, but it wasn't until four days later that the CDC heeded a request to test the patient for coronavirus, according to an email sent to employees Wednesday by the hospital’s interim CEO Brad Simmons and David Lubarsky, CEO of UC Davis Health.

The patient arrived on a ventilator, and special protection orders were issued “because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to the email.

The hospital asked the CDC to test for the coronavirus, but testing was delayed until Sunday “since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19,” the email said.

The CDC confirmed the test was positive on Feb. 26."; 2/27/20, 10:03 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: @ Drago
Maybe we should re-appoint Mueller to get to the bottom this coronavirus thing and get the entire executive branch testifying under oath to see if everyone agrees on the number of cases within and outside the US.

Of course, if anyone disagrees with anyone else on the number Mueller and his team could "Scotter Libby" them.

You cracked the code. What a great idea!

If Trump doesn't line up with the liar-hack D Schitt press- they can impeach him again.
Obstruction of congress! Abuse of Power! Russian collusion! all while Biden's sons get money for nothing from a nation awash in our tax dollars. cool!; 2/27/20, 10:05 PM
narciso said...: Well then we have to figure what the ctiterua is, if you come from a residence near a base that has brought subjects from china?; 2/27/20, 10:08 PM
narciso said...: Criteria, if youre looking for the keys under the street lights but not where you dropped them.; 2/27/20, 10:12 PM
Original Mike said...: Inga Knows What Mueller Knows? Apparently not.; 2/27/20, 10:12 PM
Drago said...: I'd like to see Mueller take on Biden in shuffleboard.

Text "M-U-E-L-L-E-R-&-J-O-E" to 30330303030333030033030303030030330303033030!; 2/27/20, 10:20 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/6rm036/comment/dl6nhbl; 2/27/20, 10:22 PM
Bruce Hayden said...: Wonder why Iran is setting hit so hard: Applying essential oils to anus ‘cures coronavirus’: Iranian cleric.

A local cleric from the Iranian city of Qom has suggested a novel cure for the new coronavirus - the pre-bedtime rectal administration of violet leaf oil.

Users on Twitter describe how the Ayatollah Tabrizian has publicly denounced Western medicine as "un-Islamic".

In a post to over 120,000 followers on the social messaging service Telegram, Tabrizian, a purveyor of traditional Islam medicine, listed several alternative techniques for fighting the spread of the contagious disease, known as Covid-19.

According to an Iranian news site, which obtained a screenshot of the message, Tabrizian recommends consuming copious amounts of brown sugar, burning wild rue, as well as inhaling snuff.

His eighth tip is the most striking: "Before bedtime, drench some cotton in violet oil and apply onto your anus"; 2/27/20, 10:25 PM
Drago said...: BTW, here's another inevitable result of obama/bidens FBI slug pals weaponizing the State against political opponents and then getting caught doing it:

"Judge DENIES Lori Loughlin and Mossimo Giannulli's request to delay college admissions trial until next year, as they claim new evidence 'proves the FBI made the scam's mastermind lie'"

Every defense attorney from now on will claim this very thing and the prosecutors won't always have an obama judge presiding working to protect the dems and their deep state enablers.; 2/27/20, 10:27 PM
narciso said...: I dont see how thats effective treatment regimen, this doesnt improve the image of persians; 2/27/20, 10:29 PM
iowan2 said...: <“ABC News somehow neglected to mention it on their evening broadcast.”

NBC affiliates have been saying it for hours now

I have been traveling about 6 hours today. Listening to FOX, MSNBC, CNN, and local WHO 1040. Not once did a story about this new patient, was it mentioned the connection to Travis AFB, and the entry of quarantined patients so close to the location of the patient.I would have had to hear the story 2 dozen times. everytime this bit of important info was absent.; 2/27/20, 10:33 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: So, I'd like to recommend this article about Sanders top ten zip codes for donations. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/02/bernie-sanders-funded-wealthiest-zip-codes-america-daniel-greenfield/

There's some income/housing data but it's not complete or consistent but there's alot of demographic interest. I put all ten into a spreadsheet and I wish I could paste it in because my old Chicago zip was #8 and I was gobsmacked.

So, here are the top ten, with demographics.

#1. 94110, Mission District, SF, techies.
#2. 11515, Park Slope, NYC, Brooklyn new gentry
#3. 10025, Upper West Side, NYC, snotty rich fucks
#4. 11238, Prospect Heights, front line of the Brooklyn new gentry
#5. 98103, Wallingford, Seattle, techies
#6. 94114, Haight-Ashbury, SF, degenerate California trustafarians
#7. 90026, Echo Park. LA, generic Cali hipsters
#8. 60647, Logan Square, Chicago [yay!], actually no characterization, no data, just "expensive"
#9. 10003, Greenwich Village, NYC, snotty bohemian rich fucks
#10. 10011, Chelsea, NYC, snotty bohemian rich fucks

I haven't lived in Logan Square for nearly 15 years yet I am strangely proud.; 2/27/20, 10:35 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: I meant to add that when I lived there our nickname for the neighb was Pink Square because of our high concentration of "former communists." I think 60647 is by far the least wealthy of the top ten zips but very rich with "socialists."; 2/27/20, 10:44 PM
Inga said...: “Not once did a story about this new patient, was it mentioned the connection to Travis AFB, and the entry of quarantined patients so close to the location of the patient.”

I’m sorry you didn’t hear it. I DID. Not NBC but here is a mention of the new patient and TravisAFB from yesterday 10;42 PM. Probably where Rush first heard it.

“SACRAMENTO — The first potential case of coronavirus spread within a U.S. community involves a patient from Solano County in Northern California who has been treated at the University of California, Davis Medical Center for the past week, according to a hospital staff memo.

Solano County is home to Travis Air Force Base, where Americans with possible coronavirus exposure have been flown for quarantine from China and a cruise ship off Japan — but the patient was not known to have close contact with anyone infected with the virus, according to state and federal health officials. Investigators are still trying to trace the origin of the exposure. The county of 441,000 is situated midway between San Francisco and Sacramento.”

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/02/26/california-coronavirus-patient-hospitalized-at-least-a-week-before-diagnosis-1263958; 2/27/20, 10:49 PM
Inga said...: WaPo and the NYT also mentioned the close proximity to Travis AFB hours ago.

Here’s one from NBC
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/new-case-of-novel-coronavirus-in-northern-california-cdc/2242792/

“California officials said the person is a resident of Solano County, northeast of San Francisco, and is getting medical care in Sacramento County. They said they have begun the process of tracking down people who the patient has been in contact with, a process known as contact tracing.

Some of those evacuated were taken to Travis Air Force Base, which is in Solano County.”; 2/27/20, 10:56 PM
narciso said...: The point is its unsurprizing that someone near travis afb was infected, amd thst point has to be hammered home.; 2/27/20, 11:01 PM
narciso said...: Just like the high ses of the leading donors to sanders campaign should be prominently featured, because it shows their penchant for self destructive behavior; 2/27/20, 11:04 PM
Inga said...: “The point is its unsurprizing that someone near travis afb was infected, amd thst point has to be hammered home.”

And NO ONE is trying to hide that point, so Limbaugh is just stirring the pot to get the dittoheads outraged.; 2/27/20, 11:07 PM
Mark said...: I liked Enterprise, but there was an aspect of it that was just an outrage.

Too often the show acted like it was a sequel, not a prequel to TOS and TNG. They have encountered the Romulans and now the Borg.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

We're supposed to believe that Star Fleet just forgot about these encounters?; 2/27/20, 11:07 PM
narciso said...: Well its a century apart, there is a certain suspension of disbelief inherent in the series.; 2/27/20, 11:09 PM
Original Mike said...: The Borg were in Enterprise? What episode?; 2/27/20, 11:10 PM
narciso said...: No because the whole point is to introduce uncertainty, and panic, and we know how we have to handle crisis dont we, dont let it go to waste; 2/27/20, 11:11 PM
Original Mike said...: Oh, yeah…; 2/27/20, 11:14 PM
Mark said...: Regeneration, season 2, episode 23; 2/27/20, 11:18 PM
Drago said...: Inga: "And NO ONE is trying to hide that point, so Limbaugh is just stirring the pot to get the dittoheads outraged."

You and your lefty pals have attempted to weaponize this viral outbreak from the first moment it popped up.

Thats what Rush was saying.

And he was right...and you helped prove that in this very thread.

Coronavirus is now THE top campaign theme for the dems, taking the place of the hoax Ukraine phone call issue whuch replaced hoax russia collusion which replaced the hoax dossier.; 2/27/20, 11:27 PM
Original Mike said...: I'm not sure that the Romulans showing up in Enterprise, from afar IIRC, violates the timeline of the later series, but the Borg does seem to be a problem. The TNG crew sure seemed to be ignorant of them at their first encounter.; 2/27/20, 11:31 PM
Drago said...: Meanwhile:

Neal Munro twitter
Jeff Bezos' WashPost admits Trump's tight labor, low-immigration policies raise wages for American employees.
Then it urges loose immigtn policies to help companies get more blue/white-collar workers.
The perpetual question matters: Which side are you on?
https://t.co/pRNfiuJ1Sv

And that is why the dems/LLR-lefties are so anxious for a high Coronavirus bodycount.

In precisely the same way they were desperate for casualties in the Iran strikes.; 2/27/20, 11:34 PM
narciso said...: Well its possible starfleet deep sixed the reports or they ended up.with section 31.; 2/27/20, 11:37 PM
Original Mike said...: Nobody knows what Section 31 knows.; 2/27/20, 11:39 PM
narciso said...: They werent introduced till ds9 right, but when tng there were these mysterious parastic creatures in conspiracy.; 2/27/20, 11:41 PM
Ty said...: The WHO and JAMA agree, The Kids Are Alright.; 2/27/20, 11:41 PM
Yancey Ward said...: "In a two-person race, one or the other is going to get a majority."

Three person races pretty quickly evolve into two person races unless the person in third place actually finishes higher than that at least a couple of voting cycles. This is one of the reasons I don't expect the brokered convention. The only argument against this is that the schedule has become so front-loaded.

My scenarios:

(1) Biden wins a double digit victory on Saturday. On Super Tuesday, Sanders wins 40% of the delegates, Biden wins 30% of the delegates, and the other 30% are split between Bloomberg, Warren, and Buttuvwxyz. The rest of the March primaries Sanders wins 40%, Biden wins 40%, Bloomberg etal win 20%. April primaries, Sanders wins 50%, Biden 30%, Bloomberg etal win 20%. May primaries, Sanders wins 40%, Biden 40%, Bloomberg etal 20%. June, Sanders wins 50%, Biden 40%, Bloomberg etal 10%. Sanders has a strong plurality going into the convention.

(2) Biden wins a close contest on Saturday, less than 5% win. On Super Tuesday, Sanders wins 40% of the delegates, Biden wins 25% of the delegates, and the other 35% are split between Bloomberg, Warren, and Buttuvwxyz. The rest of the March primaries Sanders wins 45%, Biden wins 35%, Bloomberg etal win 20%. April primaries, Sanders wins 50%, Biden 25%, Bloomberg etal win 25%. May primaries, Sanders wins 45%, Biden 30%, Bloomberg etal 25%. June, Sanders wins 55%, Biden 30%, Bloomberg etal 15%. Sanders has a near majority plurality.

(2) Sanders wins on Saturday. On Super Tuesday, Sanders wins 50% of the delegates, Biden wins 20% of the delegates, and the other 30% are split between Bloomberg, Warren, and Buttuvwxyz. The rest of the March primaries Sanders wins 55%, Biden wins 20%, Bloomberg etal win 25%. April primaries, Sanders wins 60%, Biden 20%, Bloomberg etal win 20%. May primaries, Sanders wins 60%, Biden 20%, Bloomberg etal 20%. June, Sanders wins 70%, Biden 20%, Bloomberg etal 10%. Sanders wins a majority of the pledged delegates. Dies of a heart attack the day before the convention.; 2/27/20, 11:43 PM
narciso said...: Star wars is going to try to save their signity just kidding they buried that like a krayt dragon nest with rise of akywalker.; 2/27/20, 11:44 PM
Original Mike said...: No, those alien scorpions weren't Section 31. Section 31 is more like John Brennan's CIA.; 2/27/20, 11:45 PM
Yancey Ward said...: The main problem for Biden, Bloomberg, and others is that early voting has been going on in over a dozen states for almost 2 or more weeks now. All that time, Sanders has been the acknowledged front runner.; 2/27/20, 11:45 PM
Original Mike said...: Yancey, I think you mean "heart attack".; 2/27/20, 11:46 PM
narciso said...: True section 31 is more competent, but talk about a throw away threat; 2/27/20, 11:47 PM
BarrySanders20 said...: Bruce Hayden said...
Wonder why Iran is setting hit so hard: Applying essential oils to anus ‘cures coronavirus’: Iranian cleric.

There he goes again, Old Ayatollah One-Note, that crazy cleric.

Runny nose? Oil the anus. Itchy elbow? Oil the anus. Sore shoulder? Oil the anus. Heartburn? Oil the anus. . . .; 2/27/20, 11:54 PM
William said...: The corona virus will radically alter behavior and have a negative impact on the economy. It's not Trump's fault, but he will take the blame. That's the way these things work. Sanders will probably win the Dem nomination and stands a fair chance of actually winning the election. Sanders' Presidency will radically alter behavior and have a negative impact on the economy....I won't be booking any cruises or buying any tech stocks in the near future. Maybe China will find the handle, but, if they do, would you believe it?; 2/27/20, 11:55 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: If I recall, Enterprise introduced a number of "secret history" points about interactions that were for various in-story reasons never recorded in the records.

For instance, in I think the episode was called Carbon Creek, we learned about a Vulcan castaway who had lived out her life on Earth sometime in the early 20th century.; 2/27/20, 11:57 PM
narciso said...: They have no shame

https://youtu.be/XzkTmzAjkfQ; 2/27/20, 11:59 PM
narciso said...: That was t'pols mother right?; 2/28/20, 12:00 AM
Original Mike said...: Vulcan male, actually.; 2/28/20, 12:01 AM
narciso said...: The difference was even in enterprise, they still appreciated the canon, even if they had to retcon, picard, hes being treated like biden.; 2/28/20, 12:03 AM
Yancey Ward said...: Original Mike,

I considered writing that Sanders smothers himself with a pillow the day before the convention, but my cynicism has its limits.; 2/28/20, 12:05 AM
Yancey Ward said...: Or backs over himself in his driveway. Drowns in the kitchen sink. Accidentally kills himself experimenting with VX. Chokes on a slab of bacon.; 2/28/20, 12:08 AM
narciso said...: Could be the gaitskell effect in reverse; 2/28/20, 12:08 AM
narciso said...: another view; 2/28/20, 12:11 AM
narciso said...: Gaitskell was the more moderate (think tony blair in the 60s, whose sudden death catapulted harold wilson to power.; 2/28/20, 12:12 AM
Original Mike said...: Well, Anton Yelchin accidentally ran over himself in his own driveway, so it can happen ya know.; 2/28/20, 12:20 AM
Original Mike said...: But, now suicide would allow him to bequeath his votes to Hillary.; 2/28/20, 12:22 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: OK, looking at WP, both T'Pols great-grandmother and another Vulcan crewmember were stranded on Earth. She elected to go when the rescue ship came; he elected to stay.

On the whole, I wasn't too impressed with Enterprise but the local station carrying it switched affiliations sometime afer the attack on Earth, so I wasn't able to see the later eps.; 2/28/20, 12:26 AM
Original Mike said...: "OK, looking at WP, both T'Pols great-grandmother and another Vulcan crewmember were stranded on Earth. She elected to go when the rescue ship came; he elected to stay."

Don't forget Mo!; 2/28/20, 12:28 AM
Yancey Ward said...: People need some perspective here on the Coronavirus panic. About 50,000 people die every year in the US from pneumonia. I imagine that in China it is 200-300,000 per year. Even if Coronavirus never appeared, since December, at least 20-30,000 Chinese would have died of pneumonia and pneumonia linked illnesses. As of 3 days ago, the official death toll was 1023 (we can quibble about the reliability of the Chinese number data, but it is what we have in hand). A lot of the alarm is dependent on us trusting the Chinese ability to distinguish COVID-19 cases from all other respiratory ailments with the same symptomatic profile. Given the problems with testing for this virus in the US, I seriously doubt the Chinese have any better ability to firmly distinguish people with COVID-19 from those with very bad case of influenza that has led to pneumonia.

I am not going to panic over this given this dearth of reliable data. I suspect we are vastly overcounting COVID cases because of panic.; 2/28/20, 12:30 AM
Yancey Ward said...: What I am saying is that every single case of pneumonia is being treated by family and patients as a potential case of COVID, and the health authorities are probably only guessing which are which for the most part as they are being overwhelmed by panicked family and friends.; 2/28/20, 12:33 AM
Joan said...: It occurs to me that the this whole corona virus thing is a psyop designed to destabilize pretty much the entire world. Right now China’s leaders look bad but what if it’s all a fake out designed to tank the US economy and get Trump out of office? He has been kicking their asses and has been shutting down the pipelines of propaganda and stolen intellectual property, after all. Four more years of Trump and China will really be hurting.

Of course it could be that they really are this reckless and incompetent...the trucks driving around spraying bleach on everything are a great metaphor for government efficiency in general.; 2/28/20, 1:52 AM
JPS said...: Joan,

"Right now China’s leaders look bad but what if it’s all a fake out designed to tank the US economy and get Trump out of office?"

This requires Italy to play along. Their public health authorities are serious and largely quite competent. The larger government is neither, but is much too fractious and disorganized to play along effectively. Most don't love Trump (though Salvini and his faction are fans), but they aren't pulling for China, and they really don't love taking a hit to their troubled trillion-dollar economy. They still have too much to lose. Some joker would let the cat out of the bag, I promise.

I'm writing from northern Italy. People are concerned but not panicking. Working from home to the extent they can. I know a doctor who was called back from vacation because her hospital had the safeguards in place to receive and isolate coronavirus patients and to properly protect the doctors and nurses handling them.

And yes, the vids of the Chinese trying to do viral decontamination seem to be for show, don't they? Don't worry, citizens, your government has this all under control....; 2/28/20, 3:02 AM
Jaq said...: New York Times says that you are supposed to call it the “Trumpvirus,” Inga. Get your talking points straight!; 2/28/20, 5:35 AM
stevew said...: "The party of Schitt, Pelosi, Maddow, Behar, Colbert, Clintonopolis, and Chuck Todd will politicize the Coronavirus."

Have already, not will.

@Joan: It has occurred to me previously that China somehow created this health crisis so as to distract from the mess they find them in economically, and to damage the US and wider West. What have they done in the past that would indicate they care about people enough that they wouldn't be willing to sacrifice a few for the greater good of China?

My brain tells me this is a wacky conspiracy theory so I'm going to tuck away in a corner for safe keeping.; 2/28/20, 5:36 AM
Jaq said...: "It occurs to me that the this whole corona virus thing is a psyop designed to destabilize pretty much the entire world.”

Denial is the longest river in the world.; 2/28/20, 5:39 AM
rehajm said...: It will take more than a handful of third-person delegates to deny a majority, unless it is a razor-thin majority.

We don't believe polls anymore but when you look at past results and polling for upcoming primaries there are three and four candidates winning delegates, or two winning and one or two close to the threshold. There's also a four candidates that are polling to win at least one state. There's still the few candidates not reaching the threshold but their votes are being proportioned not to one front runner but two or three. It sets up a post Tuesday where there's little incentive to drop out and no clear frontrunner.

As designed it becomes very difficult for anyone to reach a first ballot win.; 2/28/20, 5:55 AM
Rusty said...: Don't worry, ARM, your public sector pension is safe. Ha!; 2/28/20, 5:57 AM
rehajm said...: Currently Nate has No One leading the race, at slightly better then a coin flip.; 2/28/20, 5:57 AM
Jaq said...: There are black swans flying all over the universe. Right now Orion ⍺ looks more like Orion ẟ and has actually changed shape. If this had happened during the time of the Greeks, we would probably have some story handed down to us in the form of a myth, and it might even have appeared in the Bible. If it goes nova, any inhabited planets within many light years, (not us because we are 400 light years away) will be sterilized.

People who think that what they remember is what always will be and events today will always look like what we saw yesterday in our limited lifetimes are in a kind of denial. We just don’t know what coronavirus will bring and I hope it’s nothing, but I will be laying in a supply of beans and rice and canned sardines to last three weeks at least.

I flew on an airplane a week ago, so of course I have the sniffles now. You can’t help worrying. People I know are cancelling flights. This is going to hit the economy. It might end up the kind of national emergency that allows the government to seize control of health care. The way WWII did in the UK, Canada, and Australia.; 2/28/20, 6:01 AM
Jaq said...: Nate is a DNC mouthpiece.; 2/28/20, 6:02 AM
Jaq said...: Did ARM take time off from writing Joe Biden time warp gaffes to comment here? What an honor.; 2/28/20, 6:03 AM
rehajm said...: Nate is a DNC mouthpiece.

Kind of a nasty one too, as he cherry picks data to fit desired narratives.; 2/28/20, 6:06 AM
iowan2 said...: I’m sorry you didn’t hear it. I DID. Not NBC but here is a mention of the new patient and TravisAFB from yesterday 10;42 PM. Probably where Rush first heard it.

You are so intent on picking a fight you ignored what I said. The original news drop. Minutes after the Presidents news conference ended. (just a coincidence) included the connection to Travis Air Force Base. It was always part of the story.
Subsequent reporting has not included that central tenet of the story. I contend an essential element of the reporting. Why are almost reports deleting this information. Lots of other non essential facts are included. One is intentionally absent.

The motivation is to drive an emotional reaction, and leave people with the feeling the Govt is not doing enough to manage this virus.; 2/28/20, 6:09 AM
Jersey Fled said...: Hats off to the Village People for not knuckling under to the lefty bullies re: Trump's use of their songs.; 2/28/20, 6:36 AM
Fernandinande said...: consuming copious amounts of brown sugar, burning wild rue, as well as inhaling snuff & butt oiling

Surprisingly scientific for a muslim! I'm surprised he didn't advise prayer.

Here's some good conspiracy stuff:

"Was the 2020 Wuhan Coronavirus an Engineered Biological Attack on China by America for Geopolitical Advantage?"

"Bats, Gene Editing and Bioweapons: Recent Darpa Experiments Raise Concerns Amid Coronavirus Outbreak"; 2/28/20, 6:41 AM
iowan2 said...: This is just one example of what I am talking about
A NBC print version of one of their stories.
This is not the first instance of the coronavirus in the U.S., or even in California, but it is the first time a patient in this country has no clear connection to another sick person.

While I will not attempt to claim it is evident the arrival of a plan load of COVID-19 patients is the connection. To omit the fact that there in fact was
PLANE LOAD OF INFECTED PATIENTS,unloaded in the county is a part of the facts of the reporting; 2/28/20, 6:51 AM
Drago said...: JPS: "And yes, the vids of the Chinese trying to do viral decontamination seem to be for show, don't they? Don't worry, citizens, your government has this all under control...."

Like our TSA Security Theater.; 2/28/20, 7:16 AM
Michael K said...: A lot of the alarm is dependent on us trusting the Chinese ability to distinguish COVID-19 cases from all other respiratory ailments with the same symptomatic profile.

A problem with this is using chest CAT scans to diagnose, as was recommended by some radiologist on TV yesterday. The Chinese, I understand, have been doing this but pneumonia on CAT scans looks like pneumonia, no matter the cause. This will massively over diagnose the virus without testing.; 2/28/20, 7:34 AM
narciso said...: Going back to the beginning

https://regiehammblog.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/birth-of-a-virus/; 2/28/20, 7:42 AM
narciso said...: A pressing reality

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-bottomless-money-pit-agencies-dealing-coronavirus-already-record-funding/; 2/28/20, 7:44 AM
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effinayright said...: Inga said: Now a whistleblower comes forward saying HHS had staff members entering quarantined areas WITHOUT proper equipment,

***************

Uh huh. Is this whistleblower also related to Rod Rosenstein?; 2/28/20, 10:19 AM
Nichevo said...: narciso said...
If hes not thanos hes certainly kodos the executioner,

Man, I had JUST watched "The Conscience of the King" last night on Prime. The actors had faces then.; 2/28/20, 11:49 AM
Jim at said...: If certain posters don't want to be blamed for politicizing the coronavirus, I suspect they could stop making comments politicizing the coronavirus.; 2/28/20, 3:43 PM
Josephbleau said...: "This requires Italy to play along. Their public health authorities are serious and largely quite competent."

What do you call a smart Italian? Jewish.

This is similar to the joke about transferring a certain professor from MIT to University of Maryland, and thereby raising the average IQ of both schools faculty.; 2/28/20, 7:12 PM