“Dale,” I said, once we had ordered drinks, “tell Clarice about ‘knob touch.’”Is this a sexual assault? Dale says "it’s not sexual, it’s just stupid and funny," but the New York statute criminalizes "forcible touching when such person intentionally, and for no legitimate purpose... forcibly touches the sexual or other intimate parts of another person for the purpose of degrading or abusing such person, or for the purpose of gratifying the actor's sexual desire...." I'm not an expert on NY criminal law, but I think touching someone to be stupid and funny is not a legitimate purpose, and being free of an intent to gratify your own sexual desire doesn't save you. Moby seems to have had the intent to degrade or abuse Donald Trump, so the requisite intent is there. But I'd say Moby is off the hook because he didn't touch "the sexual or other intimate parts of another person." He used his own sexual part to "to brush the edge of his jacket." Maybe there's another New York statute. I find it hard to believe that "knob-touching" isn't a crime as long as you only touch the other person's non-intimate parts.
“First off, you’re beautiful,” he told her.
“She’s a Miss USA runner-up,” I said, proud of my new friend.
“Okay,” Dale continued, “‘knob touch’ is when you take your penis out of your pants at a party and brush it up against someone.”
“Eww,” Clarice said, grimacing.
“And that’s sexy?”
“No, no,” he said seriously, “it’s not sexual, it’s just stupid and funny. You only knob-touch their clothes, and the person you knob-touch can’t know they’ve been knob-touched.”
Clarice turned to me. “Have you done this?”
“No,” I admitted.
The party wasn’t that exciting. It was mainly full of businessmen and real-estate developers, most notably Donald Trump, who was standing a few yards away from us at the bottom of a staircase, talking loudly to some other guests.
“Moby, go knob-touch Donald Trump,” Lee said.
“Really?” I asked. “Should I?”
Donald Trump was a mid-level real-estate developer and tabloid-newspaper staple whose career had recently been resuscitated by a reality-TV show.
“Yeah,” Dale said.
“Yeah,” Clarice said, mischievously.
“Shit,” I said, realizing I now had to knob-touch Donald Trump. I drank a shot of vodka to brace myself, pulled my flaccid penis out of my pants, and casually walked past Trump, trying to brush the edge of his jacket with my penis. Luckily he didn’t seem to notice or even twitch.
I walked back to my friends and ordered another drink. “Did you do it?” Clarice asked. “I think so. I think I knob-touched Donald Trump.”
Anyway, I thought you should know. Imagine if we found out Donald Trump was knob-touching the hems of garments.
ADDED: Moby's story is unbelievable for a number of reasons. He was obviously drunk, and he had a motive to lie. But another thing is that he puts the story in his "New York City (2001)" chapter, then says Trump's "career had recently been resuscitated by a reality-TV show," but "The Apprentice" didn't debut until 2004.
ALSO: I became aware of this Moby story yesterday when I watched him on Bill Maher. He was there to talk about his book and brought up the "knob-touching"...
... and he did some additional knob-touching-related things during Maher's segment on using ASMR to deal with Trump fatigue. This segment is quite good, and I would recommend it even if it weren't for Moby and his dick, but keep an eye on Moby:
MORE: In the interview with Moby — the first of the 2 Moby videos above — he directly says he was drunk. He also says "These days, my penis is always flaccid." And when Moby asserts that knob-touching is "not sexual," Maher says: "Like Biden. It's not sexual. Not sexual. It's just inappropriate."
MORE ABOUT NY STATUTES: There is also the NY crime of "Sexual abuse in the third degree." That covers "sexual contact without the latter's consent." Here's the definition of "sexual contact" in NY law:
“Sexual contact” means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either party. It includes the touching of the actor by the victim, as well as the touching of the victim by the actor, whether directly or through clothing, as well as the emission of ejaculate by the actor upon any part of the victim, clothed or unclothed.Unlike the statute quoted above, this seems to cover using one's penis to touch a non-intimate part of another person. But now you need the intent of "gratifying sexual desire" and there's no mention of the intent of "degrading or abusing." So I don't think this statute works either, even though I'm sure that going around rubbing your naked penis on another person, without their consent, should be a crime.
AND: Why, in the #MeToo era, did Moby think he could freely confess to what looks like a sex crime? I am surprised that NY statutes don't seem to cover his exact behavior, and maybe his publishers ran the manuscript past its lawyers, and that's why this was published. But let's assume it's absolutely not a crime in New York (or that it's too late under the statute of limitations). Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction over his open confession to amusing himself by brushing his naked penis against another person? Presumably, it's because the other person was Donald Trump, and that just takes the story into an entirely different universe where assaulting someone with your naked penis is pure hilarity.
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Gee, it's hard to believe Moby isn't more popular.
Eww. A$$hole alert.
Remember the David Niven crack about that streaker’s shortcomings?
Seems to me Moby is really setting himself up for a Trump tweet along the lines of, Wow, I didn’t notice at all. Sad!
Is this a sexual assault?
That depends on who Moby is, and Moby is someone who knows someone else named Dale, so it also depends on who Dale is.
You can't beat Sam Cooke.
Ok this story has a severe “made up” angle.
Maher and Moby- Two creeps and a cup.
Who the heck is Moby? The only one I know by that name is Moby Dick.....oh, wait
When I was in college - which is generally where it is (was?) done - it was called "pecker pointing."
And it was indeed not remotely sexual. It was a much more base equivalent of "counting coup" as practiced by American Indian warriors. Done for drunken post-party yuks rather than for eagle feathers.
Eeeew!!!
For the good old days of the Hays Commission!
I love when Bill Maher or Moby talk about what a cretin Donald Trump is. I always want to know what Moby thinks. Always.
Reminds me of the guys from the new wave band Human Sexual Response who worked days in mail order fulfillment. He boxed a pair of ladies boots addressed to Betty Ford at the White House, but first licked them with his tongue top to bottom. Later he saw on TV the First Lady getting of Air Force One on a trip to China wearing the boots.
I put my finger to my tongue
And I taste vagina
I licked Betty Ford's boots (it's true)
She wore 'em all over China
People say that Chinese people don't
Ball as much as we do
'Cause their cultural revolution has shown
There are more important
Things to see to
What Does Sex Mean To Me
Late at night I walk through town
I spy every one I meet
I want to follow them all home
But I just follow my feet
Into the book store
I see lined up
"Virgins Die Horny"
Sitting next to the Hite report
Sitting next to love story
And I ask, what does sex mean to me?
And what does sex mean to society?
I put my finger to my tongue
And I taste vagina
I licked Betty Ford's boots (it's true)
She wore 'em all over China
People say that Chinese people don't
Ball as much as we do
'Cause their cultural revolution has shown
There are more important
Things to see to
So I ask, what does sex mean to me?
And what does sex mean to society?
What does sex mean to me?
What does sex mean to me?
What does sex mean to me?
I see another baby born
One more mouth to feed
Sometimes I can't comprehend
This urge to breed
Travel through a crowded land
Where people love each other as they love the state
They love their work
Their work is love
Love's no excuse to procreate
Their party slogan reads
And I quote
Making love is a mental disease
It wastes time and
Depletes our energies
I see couples walking hand in hand
What does sex mean to them?
Worried women switch
From pills to diaphragms
What does sex mean to them?
My parents wonder how
They made me what I am
What does sex mean to them?
What does sex mean to me?
Now I wonder what you think about
When you're lying there in bed
Someday I think I'll find you out
Push my finger through your forehead
It's just a kind of acupuncture
Wisdom from the east
When my finger presses your third eye
Your secret life is released
Who the heck is Moby?
Moby is someone who knows someone else named Dale. Moby wants you to know that he was at a party with some fancy people.
I like his music, but Moby seems to be a rather self-important prick.
Wait, the law says Trump "shall" release his tax returns? What law says that?
Is Maher just making up shit?
Breast nestled into the back of an arm is a common woman's move expressing interest. The law would have to cover that too.
Really weird.
Didn't Moby tell people back during the 2004 election to post false information on the internet to try and trick Republican voters into thinking the polls had closed?
Why should we believe anything he says? Especially now that his career is down the toilet.
Yet more sexually degeneracy coming from the Left.
Somebody who pulls his penis out in public and rubs it on someone else's clothing is calling someone else a cretin?
Eminem's Without Me (2002)
And Moby, you can get stomped by Obie
You thirty six year old bald headed fag, blow me
You don't know me, you're too old, let it go its over
Nobody listens to Techno
Now lets go, just give me the signal
I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults
I've been dope, suspenseful with a pencil
Ever since Prince turned himself into a symbol
But sometimes this shit just seems
Everybody only wants to discuss me
So this must mean I'm disgusting
But it's just me I'm just obscene
Though I'm not the first king of controversy
I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
To do black music so selfishly
And use it to get myself wealthy
Hey, there's a concept that works
Twenty million other white rappers emerge
But no matter how many fish in the sea
It will be so empty without me
Why you shouldn't believe anything Moby says.
I doubt the story too. It's snicker snicker I pwned Donald Trump snicker snicker.
Even if the story is not true, the fact that he knows about this practice and thinks that it makes a cute anecdote makes him seem repulsive.
It's like Dan Savage licking the doorknobs at a Republican headquarters to try to spread flu germs. These people think it's funny as long as they're the ones doing the victimizing.
Gahrie @ 10:33 wins it
Well, even if he is, we all know the “set of rules” Bill Clinton references, “No harm to a Democrat, no foul!"
Althouse: "I don't think this statute works either, even though I'm sure that going around rubbing your naked penis on another person, without their consent, should be a crime."
Especially in a Penile Code state like New York!
§ 245.01 Exposure of a person. A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to the breastfeeding of infants or to any person entertaining or performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment. Exposure of a person is a violation.
§ 245.00 Public lewdness. A person is guilty of public lewdness when he or she intentionally exposes the private or intimate parts of his or her body in a lewd manner or commits any other lewd act: (a) in a public place, or (b) (i) in private premises under circumstances in which he or she may readily be observed from either a public place or from other private premises, and with intent that he or she be so observed, or (ii) while trespassing, as defined in section 140.05 of this part, in a dwelling as defined in subdivision three of section 140.00 of this part, under circumstances in which he or she is observed by a lawful occupant.
Moby gotta moby
Since we were talking about Bret Easton Ellis here the other day, I should mention that his podcast interview with Moby (available free for the searching online) is fantastic — serious, mature, intellectually curious, etc — and interesting even to those who don’t know his music.
In seventh grade the fun trick was one of your friends giving you a shove down the hall with the ramp into the person you had a crush on.
Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction over his open confession to amusing himself by brushing his naked penis against another person? Presumably, it's because the other person was Donald Trump,
This is true, but not comprehensive. He could confess doing this to anyone on the Right and get away with it. Kellyanne, Ivanka, Bush, Cheney etc...would it make any difference. No.
CBF
Smollett
Phillips
Moby
Griffin
The Left never gets punished for their bad behavior or destructive acts.
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I don't think the head of a limp dick qualifies as a knob.
Never in my entire life have I ever thought of whipping out my Dick and brushing it up against another man. But of course, artsy liberal Democrats think about it all the time, they even have a name for it. "Knob touching". Amazing, they seem to have some Label for every sexual weirdo practice in the world. Do they just sit around all day "tea bagging" and "Knob touching" or whatever?
Whenever you think the "art world" or "Entertainment Industry" couldn't be more freakish and bizarre, they up the ante.
In days gone by, accusing an internet commenter of being a “moby” meant one thing. From this day forward, it will still mean that one thing...plus this.
The limitation of statutes......The crime seems more baroque than crude. It takes an extremely affected consciousness to think of doing this or to think that this is an amusing anecdote......It only works with Trump. If he had admitted to knob touching Obama, Hillary, or Anthony Weiner, his career,such as it is, would be damaged........I admire the way he has gone from black out drunk to environmental and political activist. Being a black out drunk gives you insights into the workings of nature and politics that are denied to lesser men. It's all part of the hero's journey.
The great tale of Moby’s Dick
Moby just doesn't seem very likable. Maybe he tries too hard.
Why do grown men like to act like drunken Frat Boys and brag about it? It must be a northern custom. Southern men would never do that except for a few sons of the real ruling class that live like Russian Aristocrats used to.
Don't you wish you were one of the cool kids like Moby instead of a deplorable.
Maybe the muslims are on to something with dealing with these degenerates.
I thought Moby is sober. Maybe he wasn't yet then.
"Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction over his open confession to amusing himself by brushing his naked penis against another person?"
Why, oh, why? And isn't it terrible?
"Presumably, it's because the other person was Donald Trump, and that just takes the story into an entirely different universe where assaulting someone with your naked penis is pure hilarity."
Presumably! Well, yes.
So, exhibit #3391 on prog malice and double standards. OK.
AND: Why, in the #MeToo era, did Moby think he could freely confess to what looks like a sex crime?
And why do people BRAG that they assaulted someone for wearing a MAGA hat.
Wow, two great mysteries in one.
Some things man is not meant to know.
"Since we were talking about Bret Easton Ellis here the other day, I should mention that his podcast interview with Moby (available free for the searching online) is fantastic — serious, mature, intellectually curious, etc — and interesting even to those who don’t know his music."
Bret Easton Ellis wrote about himself in a book he called "White."
Moby wrote about himself (the first volume of his memoir) in a book he called "Porcelain."
What's up with that?
If I had a time machine I'd go back to 1936 and knob-touch Hitler.
"Why do grown men like to act like drunken Frat Boys and brag about it? "
Because it is human nature. The only difference between youth and age is the height of the barrier of prudence, governing the rate at which these things are permitted.
EDH... "§ 245.01 Exposure of a person. ... § 245.00 Public lewdness...."
I saw those statutes but rejected them because they are about public places.
Are you not allowed to expose your parts in private? Well, it depends on the wording of the statute. I don't see it here. In any case, Moby did what he did in a way where the idea was not to be seen.
I looked it up, and Moby was not yet sober. I have to admit I admire anyone who was once a messy drunk and is now sober and talks about it and inspires others. So I have a soft spot for him.
I don't know or much care what the statute of limitations is in New Yawk for this offense, but it's surely run.
Also, you have no corpus delecti. If the only evidence of the crime is a defendant's confession to it, you got nuttin' honey.
"Maher says: "Like Biden. It's not sexual. Not sexual. It's just inappropriate."
No, touching little girls boobies and playing with and sniffing their hair is sexual. Biden's a pervert and pedo.
More salacious gossip created by seditionists. It's amazing it receives anyone's attention.
Compare the NY statute on exposure to California's: "Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be offended or annoyed thereby..."
Think about what Louis CK did. It was in private, but there were "other persons to be offended or annoyed." I wonder how that is interpreted? Is it enough that there were other persons and being persons, they are capable of taking offense or being annoyed, or is there some kind of threshold about the kind of persons these persons were (such as persons who don't know you or didn't show any interest in your display or who you'd for some reason would think are likely to take offense or be annoyed)?
Moby was an early advocate of pretending to be someone you are not online.
Moby was LLR Chuck before LLR Chuck became LLR Chuck.
"I looked it up, and Moby was not yet sober. I have to admit I admire anyone who was once a messy drunk and is now sober and talks about it and inspires others. So I have a soft spot for him."
It's also plainly there in the quote from his memoir that I included in the post.
I think you are missing the important question:
Would knob-touching get your horse disqualified from the Kentucky Derby?
This reminds me of the Al Franken flak jacket flak. It may have been juvenile but I never saw it as even approaching an assault. Just like when you're a football player blocking the 17 year old girl who made your team and the appropriate way to block is open hands against both sides of her chest. She's got thick pads on. It's not the same as walking up to a woman who only has on a bra or slim dress and putting your hands on her chest.
Harder Q - in the football scenario is it OK to slap your female teammate on the butt after she makes a great play? Not quite as much padding.
JAORE@11:34AM ....lulz.... For the coup de grace, whiz on your fingers then shake hands with him.
With drunken frat boys there's usually a woman involved. just sayin'
BTW, is there a "name" for what Harvey Weinstein did? "Plant watering"?
Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction
He already has a specialized kind of left-wing troll named after him. As long as his target is on the right, he won't have anything to worry about. The left will love him and the right will keep thinking his name is familiar but they just can't place him.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
I think you are missing the important question:
Would knob-touching get your horse disqualified from the Kentucky Derby?
Nobody is going to respect the Kentucky Derby ever again...
They made a real mistake.
I'm sure this loser thinks Trump is gross and immature, but finds himself adorable, and intelligent.
I really liked "Play" by Moby, but pretty much everything else he did was disappointing after that.
I actually believe his story about the "knob touch", but don't really understand the desire to legally dissect this event. Doing so isn't even interesting.
In a just world, Moby would be tossed out of a helicopter at about 1,000 feet.
#WhatWouldAugustoPinochetDo
Bret Easton Ellis wrote about himself in a book he called "White." Moby wrote about himself (the first volume of his memoir) in a book he called "Porcelain." What's up with that?
Nice!
For those unfamiliar with Moby's music, his song Porcelain is a perfect introduction, and the video is a work of art as well.
Call me Dale. Some years ago - never mind how long precisely - having little or no coke in my manpurse, and nothing particular to interest me on television, I thought I would wander about a little and attend a high class party of New York luminaries. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off - then, I account it high time to get my friend Moby to knob touch Donald Trump.
Haha. How hilarious that this is the kind of stupid, asinine shit you write endless paragraphs over on a Sunday morning.
Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction over his open confession to amusing himself by brushing his naked penis against another person? Presumably, it's because the other person was Donald Trump, and that just takes the story into an entirely different universe where assaulting someone with your naked penis is pure hilarity.
FOr the same reason that inmates don't fear retribution for raping pedophiles and other sickos in prison. The very idea of Trump even responding to this is hilarious. He can't say anything. 80% of American women figure he's a groper of the creepiest sort and physically recoil when his name is mentioned. And Trump has no respect for people's rights let alone their physical persons whatsoever.
Chances are he saw this skit and actually felt, for the first time, too degraded to respond. More of it needs to be done. Degradation is the only trick in his bag and to see him sexually humiliated, well.. that's just the only language he understands. Effective.
"Haha. How hilarious that this is the kind of stupid, asinine shit you write endless paragraphs over on a Sunday morning."
The lack of self-awareness is stunning, isn't it?
So, per Ritmo, it wasn't just "stupid asinine shit", it was also "effective" and "more of it needs to be done".
I do have to admit, "we need to do more effective stupid asinine shit" is the best description I can think of of leftist policy since Trump's election. Hell, long before that.
The lack of self-awareness is stunning, isn't it?
Nowhere near as stunning as your lack of any awareness about just how many people couldn't give a rat's ass about Trump taking up a whiny complaint over a doll in his image being "assaulted!" Hahahaha.
Go back to your life in the women's correctional facility.
So, per Ritmo, it wasn't just "stupid asinine shit", it was also "effective" and "more of it needs to be done".
Like right-wingers in general, you're either illiterate or a poor reader.
Sexually humiliating/degrading Trump's imago on live tv is effective and needs to be done more often.
Worrying/concern trolling about why it's not nice/legal by an ex-law professor is stupid asinine shit.
"well on my way to getting drunk," because he'd had "three glasses of champagne, three glasses of red wine with dinner, a shot of vodka before dessert, and an Armagnac digestif." I'd be incoherent after that much alcohol. Alcohol is a paradox in our society. A little is good and too much is really, really bad. When you've had too much to drink; you've, dangerously, lost control and risk inappropriate, illegal and destructive behavior. Just how responsible should we hold people for drinking to the point where they lose control? It's a classic grey area.
I don't know who "Moby" is, but jeezus, these people are gross. Honestly, I don't know anyone who acts or talks like that.
I'll stick with the shit-kickers who live around here. If you whipped out your wang at one of their parties you'd stand a good chance of getting it shot off.
Just the same, thanks for sharing, Ann. Not. (Do people still say that "Not" thing? I'm out of the loop, but I prefer it that way.)
Moby's a Leftist, so you can take any of his statements wth a gran of salt.
Although I tru to avoid discussions with crazy people, I'd be interested in knowing how many "right wingers" he's known, and how many "right wing" authors he's read.
By "he" I mean the Toothless State Fellator, not Moby.
I don't know who "Moby" is, but jeezus, these people are gross.
What a great line of defense for someone who supports Trump. You know, the "decent" president! Hahahaha.
You guys are screwed.
T.I.C.S. above: My comment was about someone called "Moby". What does this have to do with Trump?
BTW your avatar is very appropriate.
"Why does Moby not fear personal and career destruction over his open confession to amusing himself by brushing his naked penis against another person?"
There was another unrelated segment of the Bill Maher show where Moby said that as a single person with no children he felt a certain freedom of expression because he does not have the same need to protect his career that a person with a family might have.
"Who the heck is Moby? The only one I know by that name is Moby Dick.....oh, wait"
For trivia's sake it's probably worth noting that Moby was nicknamed Moby as an infant by his father, who was a great-great nephew of Herman Melville.
"Since we were talking about Bret Easton Ellis here the other day, I should mention that his podcast interview with Moby (available free for the searching online) is fantastic — serious, mature, intellectually curious, etc — and interesting even to those who don’t know his music."
Moby was also the antagonist in the second episode (#2 Gregor) of the podcast 'Heavyweight'. Gregor was an old childhood friend who lent him a CD box set called "Sounds of the South" that ultimately let to Moby's break out album Play, in which he heavily sampled from the borrowed CDs. Gregor was pissed that a) Moby never gave him any credit for the inspiration and b) never returned the CDs. The podcast episode revolves around him working up the nerve to go confront Moby, which he does, on tape.
https://gimletmedia.com/shows/heavyweight/brholm/2-gregor
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