"That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."
Quoted at Facebook (with a link to CNN) by my son John, who adds a quote from me: "Civility is called for to tame the opposition, when it serves your interest."
AND: As long as I'm talking about the woman who lacks the sense to lie low before the elections, let me throw this in here "Hillary says series of sex claims against Bill are NOT like the Kavanaugh confirmation because her husband faced 'intense investigation'" (Daily Mail):
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৩৩৫টি মন্তব্য:
«সবচেয়ে পুরাতন ‹পুরাতন 335 এর 201 – থেকে 335Big Mike: The Harold Stassen one!
(Sorry to make you look at a new page just to see the answer)
@KenB: I see headlines STORM OF A LIFETIME. I get tired of those,
Well, this is the 3rd strongest storm to hit FL, and the strongest to hit the Panhandle. Depends where you live your life.
The French would say that she missed a good opportunity to shut up.
"The French would say that she missed a good opportunity to shut up."
Hahaha! Good one!
"What does Hillary stand for?"
Herself.
The other possible Democrat candidate is Bloomberg. He has re-registered as a Democrat, at last.
Plus, he is paying "interns" to work their way into local and state government.
This is similar to Obama's tactic of getting political DOJ appointees reassigned as civil service.
A New York University School of Law program funded by billionaire Michael Bloomberg is placing lawyers in the offices of Democratic state attorneys general and paying them to prosecute energy companies and challenge Trump administration policies on energy and the environment.
Nine states and Washington, D.C., including New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania, are participating in the multimillion-dollar program funded by the media magnate and ex-New York City mayor, who re-registered as a Democrat this week amid expectations of a run for president in 2020.
The 14 current fellows in the program report to the attorneys general, but they are paid by NYU’s Bloomberg-funded State Energy & Environmental Impact Center. State AG offices hire these trained lawyers – not students but seasoned professionals with years of experience – as special assistant attorneys general. Under terms of the arrangement, the fellows work solely to advance progressive environmental policy at a time when Democratic state attorneys general have investigated and sued ExxonMobil and other energy companies over alleged damages due to climate change.
Good to see the former attorney general is on board with the lack of civility. Mobs unite!
Twitter Link
Intense investigation proved he did it. Nobody ever bothered to prosecute.
Hillary might not be aware that the Left don't like her any better than they like Trump.
@Jay Elnick,
Do you believe that the evidence against Bill Clinton is BETTER or WORSE than that against Kavanaugh?
Which person has a more consistent set of allegations?
Which person has more credible accusers?
Which one has had actual evidence and confessions of said behavior accrue to his detriment?
If you want to play 'honest objective person' than you get to answer honest hard objective questions.
But if you won't answer, that's okay. You are in pretty consistent company.
By the way, did ANYONE on the Left side mention 'statute of limitations' with Kavanaugh?
He never even denied raping her, or provided a shred of evidence suggesting he wasn't there even though he had a security presence at all times, presumably they kept a log.
Which person had a witness who told Federal investigators that they found her crying and bleeding with torn clothes?
I do remember reading one article that explained that in the 1980s, the charge Prof. Ford could have made was a misdemeanor with a one year statute of limitations, and that was why the police in the county would not investigate. But the person writing the article wanted the standards of today used, when the alleged attack would have been a felony.
Power by any means necessary.
This is what they always were.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Quoted at Facebook (with a link to CNN) by my son John, who adds a quote from me: "Civility is called for to tame the opposition, when it serves your interest."”
Precisely so, calling protestors “angry mobs” does just this and it’s done to silence them and/or pollute the message.
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Weird response.
Yeah. They may scream at the sky and claw at the SCOTUS doors, but never call them a mob.
Or as Brooke Baldwin calls it "The M word"
So when the left burn cars, attack elderly people, destroy businesses, block freeways, etc. - 'they' are just protesting?
But if folks on the right get together, have a politcal rally, clean up afterwards, they are an angry mob?
I need to get a copy of that dictionary the democrats are using, my new oxford is obviously out of date.
Bay Area Guy said...
God, I hope that Avennati runs. Maybe, Stormy Daniels can be his Secretary of Commerce.
*********
Oh hell no. She should head up the National Endowment for the Arts.
a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims
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You all are missing the point of this quote... CS Lewis, like George Orwell, understood the true nature of evil and how this was working and building throughout the Fascist and Socialist movements of the early 20th century...
In 1984, when O'Brien is torturing Winston, he tells Winston that he is sick, and needs to be cured... that the torture won't stop until Winston sincerely sees reality the way that O'Brien and the party tell him too... the goal being the the utter destruction of the capacity for independent thought or logic or reason leading to full control over the human mind and spirit, because through this control comes the ultimate power to shape reality as they see fit...
This is the same goal of the Marxist left and the modern Democrat party... Every SJW who screams in hate-filled rage against the right, so sure of their own self-righteousness... Who believe fervently that we need to be "corrected"... to be taught to think "properly"... And those who do not, should be locked-up, sent to re-education camps, or totally destroyed... This is what C.S. Lewis was talking about...
@Joshua Barker,
You all are missing the point of this quote... CS Lewis, like George Orwell, understood the true nature of evil and how this was working and building throughout the Fascist and Socialist movements of the early 20th century...
In 1984, when O'Brien is torturing Winston, he tells Winston that he is sick, and needs to be cured... that the torture won't stop until Winston sincerely sees reality the way that O'Brien and the party tell him too... the goal being the the utter destruction of the capacity for independent thought or logic or reason leading to full control over the human mind and spirit, because through this control comes the ultimate power to shape reality as they see fit...
This is the same goal of the Marxist left and the modern Democrat party... Every SJW who screams in hate-filled rage against the right, so sure of their own self-righteousness... Who believe fervently that we need to be "corrected"... to be taught to think "properly"... And those who do not, should be locked-up, sent to re-education camps, or totally destroyed... This is what C.S. Lewis was talking about...
Damn! You hit the bullseye on both Orwell and the Left! Well done.
“God I hate this woman... to the core of my being... Obama, for all his corruption, is a Cub Scout compared to HRC... I can’t wait until her lifetime of sin finally catches up with her and she faces her judgement...”
On the other hand, Trump has lived an exemplary life, only cheated on all three of his wives and said it was ok to call his daughter Ivanka a “piece of ass” on the Howard Stern show. We won’t even mention the Trump University or the times he stiffed his contractors, or money laundering...or...or...
Inga
Link re " money laundering".
Never call the Trump rally goers a mob as the scream in unison “Lock her up!” Referring yo a 85 year old Diane Feinstein. Speaking of fascism, Judith why should Disne zfeinstein be locked up? What is her crime?
You folks are so busy fear mongering regarding people on the left and protestors, you ignore what is happening under your own noses, by Trumpists or probably you agree with locking up Feinstein.
“Link re " money laundering.”
“WASHINGTON, DC – The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) today imposed a $10 million civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort (Trump Taj Mahal), for willful and repeated violations of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). In addition to the civil money penalty, the casino is required to conduct periodic external audits to examine its anti-money laundering (AML) BSA compliance program and provide those audit reports to FinCEN and the casino’s Board of Directors.”
https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long
They are not protesters when the burn cars, assault elderly people, block freeways, etc. Grow up and look around you at what the left is actually doing in places like Portland Oregon and stop beleiving the damn talking points from CNN.
“Trump Taj Mahal, a casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, admitted to several willful BSA violations, including violations of AML program requirements, reporting obligations, and recordkeeping requirements. Trump Taj Mahal has a long history of prior, repeated BSA violations cited by examiners dating back to 2003. Additionally, in 1998, FinCEN assessed a $477,700 civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal for currency transaction reporting violations.
"Trump Taj Mahal received many warnings about its deficiencies," said FinCEN Director Jennifer Shasky Calvery. "Like all casinos in this country, Trump Taj Mahal has a duty to help protect our financial system from being exploited by criminals, terrorists, and other bad actors. Far from meeting these expectations, poor compliance practices, over many years, left the casino and our financial system unacceptably exposed."
Trump Taj Mahal admitted that it failed to implement and maintain an effective AML program; failed to report suspicious transactions; failed to properly file required currency transaction reports; and failed to keep appropriate records as required by the BSA. Notably, Trump Taj Mahal had ample notice of these deficiencies as many of the violations from 2012 and 2010 were discovered in previous examinations.”
Same link as above.
Inga thinks mobs won't ever come after her as she safely pounds away at her keyboard defending violence from her side.
Inga isn't very bright.
She also seems to believe that DJT runs the day to day at all of his properties. I bet like most builders he doesn't, but damn, those are some serious charges (but they aren't, or someone would have gone to federal prison already).
Besides, a lot of us don't care much about what did before becoming President, just what he does now. THe isseus with Hill and Bill ALL stem from their lifelong romp as grifting politicos, making the big bucks from all the rubes that vote for them, go to their speaking engagements, etc.
I would note two points to our friend, Inga, above.
1. Nobody cares about the Trump casino. We care about what he does as President.
2. There is a distinction between a campaign crowd chatting "Lock her Up!" and and active mob that destroys property and intimidates people at: (a) UC Berkeley when Milo tries to speak, (b) at restaurants where Sarah Sanders and Ted Cruz are trying eat, (c) on the streets of Portland where Antifa mobs pretend to play traffic cops.
There's a distinction between a campaign rally and mob actions, right?
Last I looked, you earn respect, you don't get it just because you are 85, or President, or the head of the FBI, or pretty much anything else.
"Referring yo a 85 year old Diane Feinstein. "
Right. She should get extra RESPICT for longevity.
Meanwhile, the "Trump has dementia" angle has gone away for all but the most rabid.
"What does Hillary stand for?"
An SUV....until her knees wobble and she's tossed in head first.
"What does Hillary stand for?"
A yuuuuge speaking fee.
What did Feinstein do to deserve locking up? You mean besides giving prime intelligence access to a Chinese spy for two decades? Inga wants Trump impeached for far less and with zero evidence for even that much when it comes to Trump and Russia.
Being civil to Hillary is locking her up in a VIP cell. That old grifter, criminal and traitor needs to be out front as a prospective candidate. That insures she won't be prosecuted as the Communist will cry its a political prosecution. By the way Inga, what is it with you shilling for old criminals like Feinstein? Jay if Bill's accusers aren't credible with the corroboration they have the Ford ought to be charged with perjury.
“Right. She should get extra RESPECT for longevity.”
What do you want her locked up for? Name her crime.
I am sure that someone has already said this, but worth saying again: The Sex claims against Bill are different from Kavanaugh's because they are TRUE!
I believe that the GOP like the Nazi party, or the KKK, is evil. Look at Schlump's anti-science golf stance which fails to combat global warming, and his extreme right hook for example. Or a party that puts sex criminals like Clarence Thomas, Brett Javanaugh, and Schlump in positions of power over the lives of other when they belong in jail doing hard time. Javanaugh is to the East of Krakatoa. And we all know about his volcanic eruptions during his Confirmation. He professed to be a good Catholic. What does that even mean? Molest boys? Grab women by the boobs like Al Franken? Drink beer and assault women at party meetings. Perjure yourself on TV for personal gain in front of millions? Goddamn these Grand Old Perverts in Congress. They are uncivilized bums and bald-faced bullshitters.
You think an exhuberant campaign rally that borrowed the Lock Hillary up riff was an actual legal threat.
"That's not funny!"
Maybe the "mob" will get handcuffs and break into her home.
But you avoid explaining why Feinstein's age is relevant.
Inga is here to defend mobbings, beatings, and murder from the left. That's "Protesting" see. I am sure she sees the Beer Hall Putsch as a protest as well.
Inga, please give us a definition of a leftist mob. We know what your definition of a mob is: "Any place more than 1 Republican is in a room is a right wing terror mob! Especially if they are doing something horrible like picking up litter!" And it appears your definition of a Democrat protest is "Beating people over heads with bike locks, shooting them, trying to invade buildings and destroy them; setting them on fire, chasing and hammering on people's cars; shooting at cops--all good natured protests that should be encouraged!"
Seriously: name any violent Democrat organized event you would label as a "mob" instead of a protest.
(And then, she feels the need change RESPICT to RESPECT. She's not up on her Sharpton)
Every time I see her face, my ears are filled with "Harcourt Fenton MUDD!!"
Hillary is channeling Stella!!
I have to give Inga credit for digging up some really arcane stuff on a regular basis. ( I assume she has help from some other anti-Trump source). I read a bit as a follow up on her unlinked link and came away amazed at how quick on his feet the Donald is and how he was able to recover from real disasters like the Trump Taj Mahal. My guess is that he was able to do that because he did a great job of covering his ass before he ever started the project. I admire someone who can apparently fail so badly in one instance and is still able to answer the bell for the next round. - while most of us would be crying in a corner. That's not luck. That's smarts and talent.
“I assume she has help from some other anti-Trump source)?”
It took me 30 seconds to find it with help from Uncle Google.
Yep, Google is an anti-Trump source, and propaganda outfit anymore. Their own executives admit it. I'm sure Inga is cheering one of Google's senior partner's call to destroy the US Constitution (literally--he wants to tear up the US Constitution and destroy our government because of Trump. I'm not exaggerating at all. Instapundit has a link somewhere, I think)
Ah - so she is admittiing to being a paid operative for the Alphabet Corp then. Very interesting..
I already told you why we want Feinstein locked up, Inga, and yet you keep asking. Do you think pretending otherwise will fool people into not noticing?
It is just fun to watch Inga openly discard the mask and admit her side is a bunch of violent thugs because republicans deserve it.
It isn't new though.
Remember Inga thought Scalise deserved to get shot because he was a member of and supported the NRA.
Inga does not understand the difference between being out of compliance in submitting reports to the government under the AML regulations versus actual money laundering. The casino has not been found to be committing the crime of money laundering; it has been found to be out of compliance with certain regulations.
It took me 30 seconds to find it with help from Uncle Google.
Trump Taj Mahal Money Laundering
0.46 seconds
First hit is FinCen.
But it did take me three tries to come up with that search term.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
It took me 30 seconds to find it with help from Uncle Google.
Google who will fire anyone that openly disagrees with the left.
Inga approves of Google's repression.
No person who says the wrong things or disagrees with Inga should be able to get a job and speak heresy.
Many fines have been assessed under the BSA/AML regulations, including $598 million against U.S. Bank. Inga, you can get a list of scores of these fines at this site:
https://www.bankersonline.com/penalty/penalty-type/bsa-aml-civil-money-penalties
Are they all conspiring with Trump to launder money? Have fun
Speaking more generally, it's rather frightening that the Democrat party in general has moved so rapidly to openly endorse violence.
I mean, this is Hitler tactics here. Beer Hall Putsch stuff that the left is openly calling for now.
When do we get to fight back?
You people in the pro-freedom camp should remember Queen Cacklepants' words the next time some other State-shtupper tells you that you should tone down the "extreme" rhetoric.
What do you want her locked up for? Name her crime.
Conspiracy to suborn perjury and subornation of perjury.
Co-conspirators = DNC lawyers "representing" CBF, her ex-FBI friend. (Schumer won't get caught)
Perjurer = CBF.
"Look at Schlump's anti-science golf stance which fails to combat global warming, and his extreme right hook for example."
Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!
Interesting to speculate on HRC's interest in a third try at the White House. I'd put money on "no", but I'd be surprised if she wasn't scenarioing it every day.
Maybe noted already, but Estes Kefauver rightly noted that "the only known cure for presidential ambitions was embalming fluid".
Johns: "Many fines have been assessed under the BSA/AML regulations, including $598 million against U.S. Bank. Inga, you can get a list of scores of these fines at this site:"
Inga routinely misunderstands the very content she links to.
Its really rather hilarious.
Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!
Yeah. Considering Trump golfs right-handed and a hook would be to the left.
Quinn, I don’t believe in conspiracy theories. You have absolutely no proof of your allegations, the FBI already investigated and found nothing, just as they did in the Kavanugh investigation...right?
I had a little doubt for a few days there, but that last post definitely puts me back in the "Trumpit HAS to be a moby" camp.
>> What does Hillary stand for?
He
Is
Legally &
Lawfully
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Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Never call the Trump rally goers a mob as the scream in unison “Lock her up!”
It's revealing Inga labels a political chant about someone not present as a mob even as she criticizes so describing people who get in others faces and scream at them or even use and threaten violence.
It's almost like everything she argues is determined by whether the person is on her team or not.
Robert Cook said...
"What does Hillary stand for?"
Herself.
All politicians stand for themselves. That's why the plan to give them vastly more control over us than they have now will have an even worse outcome for those not politically connected.
@Trumpit,
"I believe that the GOP like the Nazi party, or the KKK, is evil."
Yes, you surely do! And from this flawed premise flows a fountain of craziness.........
Inga always argues today's talking points from the DNC. How amazing is that? Spooky! It's not Lefty mobs, it the Union of Concerned Citizens. Peoples helping peoples.
Why yes, Billy Jeff faced intense investigation (to the extent that the Hildebeest was unsuccessful in tamping down "bimbo eruptions"). But unlike the Kavanuagh case, the allegations against Billy Jeff were mostly true. And Ms. Lewinsky's blue dress had the semen stains to prove it.
I had a little doubt for a few days there, but that last post definitely puts me back in the "Trumpit HAS to be a moby" camp.
I still disagree.
I went back to search a certain, insane, leftist letter-to-the-Editor writer in our local rag. From last year.
It's not a parody.
The recent DNC lackluster phone conference illustrated our current political situation of mammoth inundation without adequate counterweights to get us out from under. Neither Bernie’s rhetoric nor Hillary’s super preparedness sufficiently appealed to the Electoral College.
People’s promiscuous behaviors erring on healthfulness, tact, reason, and labeled left-wing Democrats, (weed smoking, ear pierced, tattooed coots) supposedly reflect “diversity” neither wishing to join the GOP nor identifying myself with the current trends, I see patterns of overpopulation (preoccupied with sex), careless treatment of our environment (littered road sides, overgrazing public lands, off shore drilling, overuse of material resources, deteriorating communication skills (poor grammar , profanity, overeating (hazardous toward healthful life). lacking inner meaning expressed by the seven deadly sins of envy, gluttony, greed, lust, pride, sloth and wrath.
Confusing politics with culture (humanities highest achievements) as identical has proven calamitous. Obama’s intellect soared above his neglected cultural concept-multiracial opera singers, conductors, instrumental soloists (readily evidenced much of the Classical Arte Showcase channel) perpetuate the finest of Western Civilization not to be ignored in pursuits of trends.
These people are real. And they're quite insane.
We got to see some “pure evil” at the very end of Terry Gilliam's film Time Bandits.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
Jay - you have a link for her recanted testimony?
I've not seen it.
She supposedly told a friend and the friend noted the swollen lip.
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Here ya go:
https://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/09/sworn-affidavit-juanita-broaddrick-denies-allegations.html
And as the Slate article I cited says, it's w/i the realm of possibility that JB' former husband may have abused her.
Again, I'm not saying it didn't happen, only that JB's conflicting statements, including one given under oath, make the case murky.
Jim at: Trumpit's last post makes that read like the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Sticking with moby
good grief, that's not a real letter is it, so when Obama spoke to 'bubba the love sponge' and the glozelle woman, what was that about again?
ah politicalusa, , you take the sarlaac pit that is immoral minority, and then you dig deeper,
Hillary is no longer the face of the Democratic party.
Eric Holder has thrust himself into the news and Anthony Weiner is getting out of prison. The 2020 ticket:
Vote Weiner/Holder in 2020!
Crack, regarding the MSNBC video on your website: you're right.
How about you people make up your minds about the left, so what is it? The left are snowflakes or the left is an angry mob. Can’t be both.
FIDO said...
@Jay Elnick,
Do you believe that the evidence against Bill Clinton is BETTER or WORSE than that against Kavanaugh?
>>>As a legal matter there is NO evidence in the JB rape case, because she never filed a complaint. But subsequent behavior and admissions on Clinton's part mean everyone is free to conclude he did it, more likely than not. I'm just objecting to the assertion as FACT that Clinton raped JB.
Which person has a more consistent set of allegations?
>>>I'd say Ford , because SHE, unlike JB, didn't file a sworn statement denying the assault, and then essentially admit she had perjured herself when she recanted that sworn testimony. IOW JB's assertions went like this YES -- NO ---YES. Ford had NO corroborating evidence, but she was consistent. (she also appears to have lied on some key points, but that's not what you asked.)
Which person has more credible accusers?
>>>If you mean Clinton or Kavanaugh, Clinton, since none of K's accuser had any corroborating evidence, either as sworn testimony or out-of-court statements.
Which one has had actual evidence and confessions of said behavior accrue to his detriment?
>>>Neither Ford nor JB had "actual" evidence, aside from out-of-court unsworn statements.
>>>JB said she told others about the attack contemporaneously to the event, but those were all out-of-court statements and thus hearsay. If JB had got any of those witnesses to attest under oath IN COURT that they SAW JB with a swollen lip, for example, that would have been admissible. But wouldn't have meant that Clinton raped JB. The prosecution would have had to prove that Clinton was the one who gae it to her.
>>>But JB didn't file a complaint, so...who knows?
>>>Clinton never "confessed" to anything specific wrt to JB. But he certainly wound up looking like a perv and a liar.
If you want to play 'honest objective person' than you get to answer honest hard objective questions.
But if you won't answer, that's okay. You are in pretty consistent company.
>>>If you would look at what I have written here and elsewhere, you would know that I am a conservative and a Kavanaugh supporter. And I'm happy to answer you, as I have.
By the way, did ANYONE on the Left side mention 'statute of limitations' with Kavanaugh?
>>>I don't know. But I've read people noting that as a matter of FACT there is NO LONGER a S of L provision for rape in Maryland, where the alleged attack took place, but there WAS when the attack allegedly happened----which raised "ex post facto" issues if Ford were to file a complaint today. What's yer point?
The left are snowflakes or the left is an angry mob. Can’t be both.
It depends on the situation. They generally need protection from the emotional harm of hearing dvergent opinions.
When they get triggered by those opinions they become an angry mob.
When people stand up to the mob, they melt away like snowflakes.
Simple enough for caveman, but probably not Inga.
When did the Democrats stop with the "rape is OK as long as the rapist wins!" to the party of prudery about extramarital sex?
With regard to that Google executive's call for abolition of the Senate of the United States, one might note that — unlike the ordinary constitutional amendments (which might only accomplish trivialities such as abolition of the House of Representatives, say — or turning that house into the House of Lords), difficult as those amendments are to get approved given their 3/4ths of the states acceding requirement — however (due to a provision at the end of Article VI of the Constitution), any amendment proposing to abolish the U.S. Senate in particular (or revamp the Senate so it no longer exhibits equal voting shares for each of the states) must be approved by all of the various states unanimously.
As Lazarus Long (a.k.a. Robert A. Heinlein) put it in Methuselah's Children: “Unanimously? Shucks, you couldn't get that many to whistle ‘Yankee Doodle’ unanimously.” (He was talking about a group of people, but I think the same lesson applies to the several states.)
And as the Slate article I cited says, it's w/i the realm of possibility that JB' former husband may have abused her.
Yes, because we have all known wives who were in the middle of a divorce who hid abuse from their soon to be ex husband because it might give them too much sympathy in front of the judge.
She did deny it until it became a matter of dealing with Federal investigators where lying to them could lead to prison, BTW.
That Slate article clearly shows enough evidence that Bill Clinton raped her to put in in prison for a long time if he weren't a Democrat.
The left are snowflakes or the left is an angry mob. Can’t be both.
Since there are many people on the left this is absurd - but Inga will say anything too protect the shield.
But "snowflakes" are participants in the mob, their victimhood pose is a role. Their victimhood triggers a protector (Title IX official, media member) who then uses the supposed "danger" to justify actions which would not otherwise be possible.
Bay Area Guy said...
"@Trumpit,
"I believe that the GOP like the Nazi party, or the KKK, is evil."
Yes, you surely do! And from this flawed premise flows a fountain of craziness........."
I think she drinks. I can think of no other explanation for her off the wall childish outbursts.
“I do remember reading one article that explained that in the 1980s, the charge Prof. Ford could have made was a misdemeanor with a one year statute of limitations, and that was why the police in the county would not investigate. But the person writing the article wanted the standards of today used, when the alleged attack would have been a felony.”
Not only was it a misdemeanor at the time, but Kavenaugh would have been tried as a minor since the only real offense was trying to get to second base on his part, and drinking under aged for both. And, in that case, his record probably have been sealed.
Dems and civility... NOPE! Can't even imagine those two going together.
Hey all of our resident "trolls" (I use the term affectionately) Look at Democrats defending BC!
I can think of no other explanation for her off the wall childish outbursts.
Strumpit is a lot like Laslo, she does a kind of performance art here. We are all just her straight men.
Boy, I guess Inga's fax machine came in strong on pushing back on "mob."
So nobody got driven out of any restaurants, for example, for the crime of "eating while Republican"?
that was why the police in the county would not investigate.
There is also the story that she was assaulted by the son of a powerful politician, not Kavanaugh, and she and her mother reported it. The boy apologized and the father had the record expunged. I just wonder if that was "Squi?"
Democrats, come get your girl.
Democrats pushing back hard on all channels on "the 'm' word" and Keith Ellison is tweeting out the AntiFa handbook.
BTW, calling them what they are "Brownshirts" is not a Godwin fault, they brought fascism into it, by calling Republicans "fascists" in the first place.
White House senior political adviser Stephen Miller´s third grade teacher is out with a new op-ed criticizing him for his adolescent behavior. While a student at Santa Monica´s Franklin Elementary school, Miller was a loner and ate glue, his former teacher Nikki Fiske regretted. . - TownHall
Inga does a good job repeating the DNC talking points.
She gets almost all of them right as long as she doesn't have to explain her links.
Jay - you have a link for her recanted testimony?
JB never recanted. She denied it at first, blaming herself, but when she faced Federal investigators, and prison were she to lie, she came out with the whole story, backed up by five witnesses.
"Recanted" is a bullshit lie told by an idiot, nothing but sound and fury.
"@Trumpit,
"I believe that the GOP like the Nazi party, or the KKK, is evil."
One Trumpit comment worth twenty Ingas.
"You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about."
Democrats never change. They thought the same thing in 1861.
tim in vermont said...
"And as the Slate article I cited says, it's w/i the realm of possibility that JB's former husband may have abused her."
TIV:Yes, because we have all known wives who were in the middle of a divorce who hid abuse from their soon to be ex husband because it might give them too much sympathy in front of the judge.
>>>>Why the snot? I said Slate wrote that it was w/i the realm of possibility, not that I believe it.
>>>. Why didn't JB take pictures of that swollen lip to implicate Clinton, and then file a criminal complaint??
>>>>As a matter of FACT, YOU...DON'T...KNOW whether JB actually got a fat lip, from anyone. How many times have we seen, in fact and fiction, women blaming *someone else* in order to protect a third party, or themselves, from criticism, or to falsely direct criminality toward people they don't like?
TIVShe did deny it until it became a matter of dealing with Federal investigators where lying to them could lead to prison, BTW.
>>>> No. There's no essential difference between lying under oath to a state court, which JB did by denying the "rumors". (that's why Clinton was cited for contempt in the Jones case, for lying). She could have gone to STATE prison for THAT, purely aside from federal investigations, if her denial of the rumors was false.
TIV: That Slate article clearly shows enough evidence that Bill Clinton raped her to put in in prison for a long time if he weren't a Democrat.
>>>> if JB had filed a complaint that went to trial BEFORE she filed the false affidavit in the Jones case, she very well might have won. But she didn't! And the Slate article on its face doesn't claim "clearly" Clinton did it. It is agnostic at most.
>>>And as I keep saying: out-of-court statements are NOT LEGAL EVIDENCE, at least not until the people making them are put under oath, and offer testimony that is not "hearsay" or is admissible under numerous exceptions to the hearsay rule.
>>>A legal definition of hearsay: non-judicial statements offered into evidence as proof of the matter contained in those statements. Here, JB has "witnesses", but not to the claimed rape itself, but to hearing her say Bill Clinton bit her lip and raped her.
>>>>Inadmissible hearsay, straight up.
>>>But if a witness in court and under oath testifies: "I saw JB's swollen lip, which she said Bill Clinton gave her when he raped her", the swollen lip is the only admissible evidence.
>>>>The prosecution would have to use other evidence to "prove" who gave her the swollen lip, and then to "prove" who raped her. And then to "prove" she was raped under AK statutory definition.
>>>>That's never happened.
>>>>I'm done with this topic. My entire point is that out-of-court claims of fact are not the same as evidence, let alone "proof". We have just been through that nonsense in the Ford/Kavanaugh charges.
>>>>Don't let Confirmation Bias lead you to hypocritical results!
>>>>JB is today rightly complaining that CNN distorts her claims about Clinton as "harassment", not rape.
>>>>Clarence Thomas was falsely described in another on-line publication as being accused of "sexual assault" by Anita Hill, when she described what she said was "harassment."
>>>>Distortions are distortions, whether they come from Left, Right or Center. FIGHT THEM, wherever they come from!
In a just world, the Democrat Party -- the party of slavery, secession and segregation -- would have been abolished and outlawed, just like the National Socialist German Workers Party was outlawed.
Michael McNeil
Great point on the amendment. But make that "VI" a "V" where it says, in effect, changing the Constitution on # of senators requires 100% of states to approve.
"Inga...Allie Oop said...
How about you people make up your minds about the left, so what is it? The left are snowflakes or the left is an angry mob. Can’t be both."
Why not? It's the pussies that require a mob mentality.
Ann Coulter has frequently written on how the leftists' favorite tactic is "Advance As If Under Threat Of Attack."
That tactic is perfectly compatible with both snowflakes and mobs.
The Democrats have not been this furious with Republicans since we freed their slaves,
I've been listening to Karl Rove's biography of William McKinley. In 1896, Texas was a big Republican state and the Republicans were all black. Wilson and segregation were still 20 years in the future with Wilson.
I am curious what H & B know about others that the others would tolerate H & B sucking the oxygen out of the room even now. What makes them so special?
Breezy: In 1993 while in the White House, Hillary got a hold of hundreds of FBI files on her political allies and enemies. The scandal was called Filegate. The media naturally dropped it as fast as possible, probably because she had files on them too.
Every single otherwise completely incomprehensiboe event and pass the Clintons have received since then makes sense in that context.
—Soft you now,
The fair Felonia!
Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins...deleted
Breezy: "I am curious what H & B know about others that the others would tolerate H & B sucking the oxygen out of the room even now. What makes them so special?"
Lots and lots and lots.
Long before obama and Hillary turned our law enforcement and intelligence services and executive agencies into an out and out appendage of the dem party, Bill and Hillary had collected all the raw FBI files of every republican in govt via their little henchmen like Craig Livingstone.
Recall that Craig Livingstone was literally just some uneducated moronic shmuck who somehow got a job in the Clinton White House, got a security clearance, and then was literally walking around with over a thousand raw FBI background files on republicans....and bragging about it!
Yet, he and the entire Clinton White House staff testified, under oath, they had no idea how he was hired, who hired him, what hos job was, how he got his security clearance, what he was doing with over a thousand raw FBI files, how he got those files, who he teported to, etc.
And he got off with a slap on the wrist by the Clinton Dept of Democrat Justice.
Sound familiar?
You will also recall this was during the Monica scandal and suddenly the MSM was full of deep background stories on republicans....
Sound familiar?
Qwinn: "That tactic is perfectly compatible with both snowflakes and mobs."
It is also perfectly compatible with reality.
Inga, like all good totalitarian lefty wannabes, demands that you not see what is before your eyes and that you internalize the lie and become an advocate for the lie.
Vaclev Havel wrote comprehensively about this typically lefty thought control tactic in his tale of "The Green Grocer" in "The Power of The Powerless".
Leftists demand you accept all kinds of insanity, for if they can get you to believe their lies the left can fundamentally rewire humankind.
Thus: women can have penises, babies are not really human, etc.
Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but the linked article says nothing about Kavanaugh; HRC is comparing her husband to Trump. Of course, neither Trump nor Kavanaugh has been accused of actually raping anybody (apart from Avenatti's lurid picture of Kavanaugh as part of a gang-rape ring, an accusation that, to do them justice, Senate Democrats are struggling to get as far away from as possible), as "Better put some ice on that" Clinton was accused by Juanita Broaddrick, but hey, who's counting?
I am curious what H & B know about others that the others would tolerate H & B sucking the oxygen out of the room even now. What makes them so special?
It's an illusion. In two presidential elections, Bill Clinton never won a majority vote, but to hear the Dems and media (redundant, I know) would have you believe the Clintons were widely popular. They weren't. Never were.
Come 2008, most people -- and most Dems -- were Sick. And. Tired. of Hillary. They wanted her to Go. Away. Only a handful really supported her, but for a while she had that whiff of "inevitability" and so more people voted for her in the primaries than otherwise would -- until, of course, some nobody first-term senator from Illinois had the audacity to take her on.
Same in 2016 -- the number of people who actually liked Hillary and really, truly supported her could be counted on one hand. But again, she had that assertion of "inevitability," plus the corrupt take-over of the Dem party officials. So lots of people went along and talked themselves into cheering for her, but it was always half-hearted. The party really wanted someone else -- Sanders. And in the general, sure, a lot of people voted for her -- but very few really, truly wanted to, very few were all that excited to vote for her. They sucked it up, swallowed the bile in their mouths, and pushed the button for her. But they didn't like it.
And these same people, the majority of the Democrat Party, far from being happy that Hillary is out there are PISSED OFF and wish she would GO THE HELL AWAY.
Most Republicans feel the same way about Romney (and would about McCain if he were still around).
Mark: ,Come 2008, most people -- and most Dems -- were Sick. And. Tired. of Hillary."
They were sick of her in 1994 after her health care idiocy, hence the turnover of congress in 94.
If the Republicans had nominated someone decent in 1996, rather than Bob Dole, they would have saved the nation and the world a lot of destructive grief.
Than again, if Bush I had not broken his "read my lips" promise, people would not have been pissed off enough to vote for Perot and Bill would have never have won. And the Democrat Party, which in 1991 was on the verge of extinction, would not have been given new life -- a life they have used to destroy.
BTW, calling them what they are "Brownshirts" is not a Godwin fault, they brought fascism into it, by calling Republicans "fascists" in the first place.
Precisely
Nikki Fiske - what a crap teacher. Shame on her. Fucking brownshirt tool.
The GOP bench in the 90s was fairly weak.
Dole stepped up for the party to run. They knew Clinton would win re-election.
W was a very weak candidate in 2000 in a field that was only him and McCain. Lucky the Dems nominated the even weaker Gore. The Dems have not had a governor as their nominee since 1992.
They would be advised to get a sane, moderate governor as their nominee in 2020 (Maybe Hickenloper) but they are too far gone as a Left Wing Party.
The Party is far to the left of even Obama now. But none of their people projects the smarts, normalcy and charisma of Obama.
Tim In vermont
me: Jay - you have a link for her recanted testimony?
Tim: JB never recanted. She denied it at first, blaming herself, but when she faced Federal investigators, and prison were she to lie, she came out with the whole story, backed up by five witnesses.
Just as I thought.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
Tim In vermont
me: Jay - you have a link for her recanted testimony?
Tim: JB never recanted. She denied it at first, blaming herself, but when she faced Federal investigators, and prison were she to lie, she came out with the whole story, backed up by five witnesses.
Just as I thought.
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As I keep saying, NONE of those witnesses were under oath.
Here's what JB said in her Jones deposition, which she later contradicted:
"3. I met President Clinton more than twenty years ago through family friends. Our introduction was not arranged or facilitated, in any way, by the Arkansas State Police. I have never been an Arkansas state employee or a federal employee. I have never discussed with Mr. Clinton the possibility of state or federal employment nor has he offered me any such position. I have had no further relations with him for the past (15) years.
4. During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family.
5. I do not possess any information that could possibly be relevant to the allegations advanced by Paula Corbin Jones or which could lead to admissible evidence in her case. Specifically, I do not have any information to offer regarding a nonconsensual or unwelcome sexual advance by Mr. Clinton, any discussion offer or provision of state or federal employment or advancement in exchange for sexual conduct, or any use of state troopers to procure women for sex. Requiring my testimony at a deposition in this matter would cause unwarranted attorney's fees and costs, disruption to my life and constitute an invasion of my right to privacy.** For these reasons, I have asked my attorney to advise Ms. Jones's counsel that there is no truth to the rumors they are pursuing and to provide her counsel with this sworn affidavit.**
Further affiant sayeth not.
Jane Doe #5"
Face it: you are both MINDLESS, NEURON-DEPLETED partisans. Facts on record don't matter.
Still waiting for that link.
Witnesses don't need to be under oath to provide a statement.
"Trump Taj Mahal had ample notice of these deficiencies as many of the violations from 2012 and 2010 were discovered in previous examinations"
Of course, nobody told Inga that after 2009 Trump had no dealings with the Casino, as it was now owned by Carl Icann's group that paid Trump a franchise fee to Trump in order to use his name. Trump's involvement was in name only.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
Tim In vermont
me: Jay - you have a link for her recanted testimony?
Tim: JB never recanted. She denied it at first, blaming herself, but when she faced Federal investigators, and prison were she to lie, she came out with the whole story, backed up by five witnesses.
Just as I thought.
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One would think, that on a blog run by a law prof, that its readers had a fucking CLUE as to what legal "evidence" is. Neither of you are responsive, "on the merits".
I REPEAT: JB's "witnesses" offered out-of-court statements, NOT "evidence" in a court of law.
I REPEAT: any competent prosecutor would ask JB, "Why did you say NO under oath in the Jones case, and yet say YES later on? Why are you contradicting your prior testimony, made under oath, effectively recanting it?"
That's what YOU have to deal with.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
Still waiting for that link.
Witnesses don't need to be under oath to provide a statement.
********************
Are you frickin' serious?
Go back to baking cookies.
@Dickin'Bimbos@Home :
OK, read this, then FOAD:
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/26070/did-juanita-broaddrick-testify-under-oath-against-bill-clinton
"Juanita Broaddrick did sign a sworn written statement (which is what an affidavit is) in 1997 denying that Clinton had made “any sexual advances”, in lieu of testifying pursuant to a subpoena that was issued to her, but did not testify in person under oath either in a deposition or in a trial of any kind.
"She was interviewed by independent counsel Kenneth Starr in 1998 after he granted her immunity from prosecution for perjury in her original affidavit, who mentioned that she >>>>**recanted** her affidavit testimony<<<< in a footnote to his report, but she did not testify in person under oath at any time in connection with that investigation. Absent a grant of immunity, her statement to Kenneth Starr renouncing her previous affidavit would have entailed her confessing to perjury."
"She did make a number of public statements and participated in some public interviews, and also some statements intended to be off the record that were secretly recorded about her encounters with Bill Clinton."
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Did you get that, sweetie? Did you get that, Cuck in Vermont?
Jay Elink, what is the point of this ? Clinton was president with all the powers of the presidency.
She was one woman.
Michael K said...
Jay Elink, what is the point of this ? Clinton was president with all the powers of the presidency.
She was one woman
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Step away from the Cuervo Gold dispenser!
Clinton was the Gov. of Arkansas when these events occurred.
JB didn't change her allegations until he became the Dem's POTUS **candidate**, 20+ years after the purported attack. NOT after he was elected.
That last bit is very false. The rape is alleged to have occurred in 1978. She filed her affidavit in 1997. Clinton had been President for 5 years. Nothing happened during the period when he was a candidate, unless I missed something, but if so that would've been considerably less than 20 years after the tape then.
And I seriously wish spellcheck would stop trying to change "rape" to "tape" every single bloody time.
She filed her affidavit in 1997. Clinton had been President for 5 years.
Don't confuse him with the facts.
Jim Elnick
What I meant with one of my questions was 'which of the two people had a long and consistent history of sexual peccadillos, affairs, sexual harassment claims (some suppressed), and even attacks.
Avenatti dragged a Go Fund Me website through Manhattan and found a few people who 'out of the blue' came and made statements...which were retracted 5 seconds later.
Bill Clinton had somewhere around 10 people assert that he was a regular attacker...until James Carville, Hillary and a few State Troopers showed up with a bucket of cash and a gun.
Do I assert that this is 'fact'. No. I assert that it is a far more credible type of investigation than a nobody who wanted to do a Venetian Anonymous Accusation to hurt Kavanaugh.
And not necessarily about these old crimes. Bill went on Perv-O-Jet with Indicted Pedophile Epstein to the Land of Negotiable Affection with no Secret Service agents.
HMM! Do SE Asian women deserve less regard than Ford? Ask Althouse.
"She was interviewed by independent counsel Kenneth Starr in 1998 after he granted her immunity from prosecution for perjury in her original affidavit,
Yes, and according to you, given that second chance JB chose to lie to a Federal investigator, that's a prison offense, BTW, along with five of her friends, including the friend who testified to having found her crying and bleeding in her hotel room.
That's a pretty big gamble for her lawyers to let her take, given that, as governor, Bill Clinton undoubtedly had his whereabouts at all times pretty well documented.
Like I said Jay, yours is a tale of nothing but sound and fury,
I REPEAT: any competent prosecutor would ask JB, "Why did you say NO under oath in the Jones case, and yet say YES later on? Why are you contradicting your prior testimony, made under oath, effectively recanting it?"
This is how Democrats treat women when it's a Democrat that's been attacked.
My favorite defense of Bill Clinton in the Broaddrick affair, a defense to which Jay alluded? That she couldn't be believed because she was a battered woman, and you know what lying skanks they are!
Jay Elnick
You wrote: ">>>>Why the snot? I said Slate wrote that it was w/i the realm of possibility, not that I believe it."
And you have asserted a lot of other exculpatory things about BC's case...but you don't believe. You just mention it...out of the blue.
Althouse does the same thing: 'Maybe the Dems investigated...and couldn't find anything' (on the Ford Allegation).
This is a passive aggressive bullshit statement trying to move the Overton Window to 'Benefit of the Doubt'.
Just a string of 'JB MAY have been abused', Kathy Willey MAY be a drunk, Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones...BUT SHE NEVER HAD STANDING (because people throw out almost a million dollars for nothing all the time).
Just a nice slow drip of trying to muddy the waters. But when pushed, "Oh, I never said I believe this...just it's...interesting." But all these 'totally off the cuff statements' go one direction.
Okay. I got your number now.
At least you show more subtlety than LLR Chuck.
Why did Bill Clinton get kicked out of Oxford?
What happened with that girl at Yale?
This stuff follows Clinton like a bad smell through his whole life. Why did he have to pay Paula Jones a million dollars in today's money?
At least Chuck can follow an argument. He rejects a lot of them, but at least he can follow them. Jay is so blinded by partisan motivated reasoning that he can't even follow an argument.
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